Where I had a conversation with mrs Debess, real name Joleigh. Usually contact did not work, perhaps because at that time she was in Texas and felt no need or security to talk about such matters or she was still under the influence of the voodoo by mrs M, who knows, cult psychology , whatever. Anyway, she unleashed a whole information storm when I asked her why she no longer publishes the work of Alan.
Never heard of Jeff C …seems to have been a biggie , before the Great Youtube Cull of 2020