In the recent past I noticed, sorry Melissa, not using the ” royal we” here, I noticed something odd on the archives on sweet liberty, there were some inconsistencies, especially in regard to the last few talks between Jackie and Alan. Could not figure it out , sort of brushed it aside, maybe an error or sorts, there are more anomalies , also on cuttingthroughthematrix, the talk is not published, however the last talk of them was published about a year after Alan´s passing , make of that what you will, you can all verify this on the internet archive machine. So…for the slow of thinking…what is the first thing a ” grieving widow” does ….well eh hmm yaaa duhhhhh, that is before Alan is buried you , of course, naturally, make sure the missing Sweet liberty posts are published , duhhh hmm yaaaa…wooooo
that would be the FIRST THING on the mind of a GRIEVING WIDOW hahahahaha
feck off
FECK OFF
and children , let DADDY let you in a another secret…It gets even better…I know, grab that popcorn….take a handkerchief, you are drooling, I can see it 🙂
The investigation goes further, it gets more morbid here, as I can see on March 1 2021 the posts were published !!
Alan died on march 4 2021…I know you are slow but is it sinking in ? Is it , it should at this stage…
see , the last one , Sept. 28, 2006 is since Alan´s passing published.did check it, it is published AFTER march 2021…that is a FACT ….can CTTM deal with FACTS ?..up untill that time, those two plus the missing one, were NOT published..you have to dig a bit to find out the explicite date, but say up until 2018 or so they were not there.
Coincidence ? Wink…wink…wiggle ….
as you can see, last one is Alan – Solo on SL, Sept. 13 2006….In short, Alan never published those last Sweet Liberty talks plus sept 27 is completely missing and double posted on SL ….and what do we see ?The , not all but most missing transcripts were added in the end of January 2021
So…two months before Alan died….. that happened…quite something…hmm bit hmmm odd …suspicious….hmmm Alan never published those
and yet a few weeks before his passing boom, gosh….wow…jeee The Wayback machine, you can see it for yourself, so once Alan was no longer with us , suddenly, the last talk of Sweet Liberty with Jackie is published, just like that, like nothing happened. Sneaking that one in , in silence of course. 🙂
Make of that what you will.. Think for yourself…be your own champion…do not join groups, never follow the leader 🙂
Anyway,the missing interview is filed under a wrong date , it is archived under October 4th 2006 while in fact it was September 27th 2006
It was therefor a talk before the last talk of the two of them. Did use a free AI service, yes CTTM cult und Frau M , ……they do exist 🙂 you can even pay a bit and you can transcribe all talks in seconds…….not 30 years….anyway…..they are free up to 60 minutes of audio..Just upload a, in this case, mp3 audio file and boom, ten seconds later you got transcript , it is not perfect, some minor spelling errors which one can correct if you like to make it all look a bit smoother, also it creates a synopsis of the talk, a summary…Duhh…;
www.sweetliberty.org/audio/index2.shtml
Sept. 27 Talk Alan and Jackie
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So the talk is published on sweet liberty on september 27th but also on october 4th ??????????
Why is that ? Why is there a double post ? With different dates ?
And on oct 10 Jackie does her conclusions or questions why they broke up etc And why was it never published on CTTM ? Or at least most of it for the longest time, some of it appeared around 2019 or so, why is that ? Oh the mysteries, they keep stacking up..however without further a due…Also I will go into a talk of Jackie – SOLO – after the breakup , where Jackie tries to explain her point of view and her disappointment in Alan ´s brushing her aside or tossing her out as she has now become a nuisance of asking too many questions and expecting Alan to explain certain aspects of previous claims. And yes all this hoopla involved some detective work….piecing things together like a puzzle….I do not draw any definite conclusions from all of this, I am just the messenger, pointing things out , it is up to you to come to your own conclusions..I am not your cheerleader..I know for 99.8 % of the public these analysis are too complicated, there is no ” app” for what I do …sorry…you cannot ask ” Siri” about it …But , for the four or five out there , who are on the right path, it might be interesting.
Cheers
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You’re listening to Jackie Patru and Sweet Liberty. And now, here’s your host, Jackie Patru.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Tonight is Wednesday. It is the 18th of October in the year 2006. And I’m back with you live here tonight, folks. I had programs later this year.
programs replayed for you the last couple of weeks because of a cold that I had and of course because as many of you know uh
Alan and I, Alan Watt, came to somewhat of an impasse on the last two broadcasts that we did. I am going to talk about that tonight. I really would rather not, although my phone calls and the emails that I’ve been getting, I feel…
that I must at least address the issue to answer some of your questions because I’m sure that there are those of you who have questions that haven’t written and haven’t called. Let’s do the spiritual message first and then we’ll get started. I was…
I would have liked to have been able to have somebody on with me this evening just to have a conversation, a give and take. That is, of course, what I’ve become so accustomed to. I used to do this broadcast by myself most of the time. I had guests on.
from time to time. But I did the broadcast by myself, and very often I would have something planned for the evening. I’d walk into the studio, and a thought would pop into my mind. I’d be digging through files for papers that I wanted to use to share whatever it was that came into my mind. And I have…
very much enjoyed most of the conversations that Alan and I have had on the air. Anyway, let me get to this spiritual message. Folks, this is from Matthew. It is Matthew 5, beginning at verse…
These are words written in the red, and they’re words attributed to Jesus, the one we know as Jesus. He said,
that you may, excuse me, let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father which is in heaven. And there’s one more I want to do here. I’ve done this many, many times. I love this. This is in 1 John, 1 John. It’s in the back, towards the back of the New Testament. It is 1 John, verse 4.
And it begins here in verse 4. And then we skip down to 7.
Verse 7, Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God, and everyone that loves is born of God and knows God. And folks, I really, I don’t feel comfortable this evening, I want to tell you that, because I’m not on here. I didn’t come on tonight to argue about or to denigrate
or talk against Alan Watt. But there are questions that I hoped, so hoped, that he and I would be able to do together because of questions that people have posed to me, questions that are sincere, questions that really get to the very core of our very being, if you would, because there is no contest, no dispute,
from information that Alan has brought us over the past at least five years as far as ancient history goes. I don’t have the books. Most of us don’t have the books that Alan has referred to, many of them. He’s had access to some mighty powerful works. And he has opened the eyes and opened the ears and opened the minds
of hundreds, thousands of people since 1998. And for those of you who are new listeners, I might skip around here tonight, folks, because my thoughts do that to me. As I’m talking about one thing, another thought enters, and I take myself down a cul-de-sac.
For those of you who are newer listeners and who so appreciated the broadcast and the information that was shared, I want you to know that at the website at SweetLiberty.org there are a lot of archives. Alan has that suite at CuttingThroughTheMatrix.com, even maybe more, I don’t know, than we have at SweetLiberty.
as far as archives, as far as past broadcasts that we’ve done together, because to cover all of the information that has been covered over these past years and try to get it down into a…
a little boil so to speak it’s just impossible to do what I encourage you to do folks the archives at sweetliberty.org they’re absolutely free and the archives the radio broadcasts at Cutting Through the Matrix are absolutely free and I would advise those of you
who are newer listeners to go back into the archives. We’ve covered it all over and over and over, as a matter of fact. Our longtime listeners are very aware of that. Alan covered the same material, and as he said on the air, that it is said that people need to hear something eight times before they’re going to remember it. Maybe so. So there is very little information
that was being discussed even in this past three, four, five, six months that hadn’t been discussed many times in the past. So once again, if you go back into the archives at sweetliberty.org and cutting through the matrix, you’ll be able to catch up
Also, Nicholas has available for our listeners the entire year 2004, which we were doing for the most part of the year, we were doing four nights a week.
And they weren’t all with Alan Watt, but many of them were. The year 2004 and the year 2005 are on disk. And you can get the entire year, 2004 or 2005, for $120. It’s over 200 broadcasts a year is what it is. And so it’s less. If you can afford it,
or maybe want to go in with some friends so that you can get the discs and listen to the past broadcasts, I think it’s a wonderful opportunity for people who want to go back that far and to listen to what’s been said in the past. Alan first contacted me. I was on shortwave. We had a very large shortwave listening audience. He contacted me first.
in June of 1998. We talked on the telephone probably at least once a week, sometimes twice a week, until December before I invited him on the air. And then once we got on the air together, we did a lot of broadcast together. The listeners, as I said, have so appreciated it. However, there was a hiatus.
in our, even our communication from December of ’01 until sometime ’03, I believe it was around the middle of ’04. It was about two and a half years that we actually lost touch with each other. And then he called and we started doing broadcasts again together. So all in all, we’ve had about five years on the air.
I regret the impasse that we came to. And I want to make it clear to you folks, I listened. I had a couple of calls from people who wanted to know about it, so I went in to listen to what he calls a blurb.
And he said that it was last week that he wouldn’t be doing the broadcast because I was having a replay. And also that he said that she believes that we are at an impasse with a question mark. Well, I listened to…
a new one that he’s done I think it’s called Ego Versus Truth and in it well first of all he said that he would have it available by 9.30 this evening
for you all to listen to. I was sorry to see that he was doing that. We’ve done so many broadcasts together, and he knows that Sweet Liberty is on at 9 p.m. I noticed that on the 4th of October, which was a Wednesday, and the 11th, and he, in his blurb, he said that he would have one…
ready to download for you tonight and listen to. So it looks as though maybe he would reconsider and maybe he would do his at 8 or at 10 p.m. given that I am on WFAR and I am on a specific time slot. Alan’s doing his from computer and I think it would be very nice after all these years if there wasn’t a competition for time.
So maybe Alan will reconsider, give that a little bit of thought, and allow you all to listen to Sweet Liberty and Cutting Through the Matrix, if you so choose. I wanted to acknowledge the phone calls, but I’ve acknowledged those of you who’ve called on the phone and many emails that I’ve received. Emails of support and emails saying, please, please,
resolve this so that you and Alan can start in again. Although many of you who send emails have said thank you for asking the questions that you have asked. And hopefully that maybe Alan would be willing to answer directly direct questions. I want you to know that the impasse, folks, has absolutely nothing to do with me being angry
that he and I do not disagree. Excuse me, do not agree. I don’t get angry with anybody who doesn’t, quote, believe the way that I believe. And even though I share my understanding of spiritual truth, if a person does not accept it, they do not accept it. And so the impasse has nothing to do
with my being upset that he didn’t agree with my beliefs because and in so many areas we are on the same wavelength the impasse was my desire to have him answer or to define if you would uh certain things that he has said
and the answers are not forthcoming. The reason this is important to me, and you’ve heard me say this on the air, you’ve heard me say it on this broadcast, I’ve listened. As we’re having conversations some nights, and I think how overwhelming it can be, all of the information, to really wake up. It is very, very overwhelming.
And I know it because I experienced it. I was awake to a certain point when Alan first called me. In fact, maybe that’s why he called me the first time he called. He said he had been listening and that he told his wife that I almost got it, but not quite.
And so evidently from listening he realized that I am a seeker of truth and that I wasn’t totally asleep. However, my awareness, if you would, in this physical realm of the system, my awareness of that went back forever.
or 200 years in the history that I had read. I’m not talking about history that we get in school, but Alan took us back 1,000 years, 2,000 years, and my eyes were opened. It took a while, and sometimes he would say something, and it would take me four months to get it.
And suddenly you get it. And when it’s all coming at you, I do understand how overwhelming it can be. Another thing besides how overwhelming it is, I don’t want to leave people hopeless. I don’t want to create hopelessness within anybody. That is not what I’m here for. And I know that it isn’t my purpose in life.
is to bring hopelessness and I pray I have prayed in the past for discernment to be able to know the truth the difference between truth and lies and truth sayers and and the liars because not only would I ever never intentionally mislead any one of you any one
I don’t want to do it unintentionally, folks. I don’t claim to have all the knowledge, the truth. I know truth. I know some truth, simple truth. I do know that as we sow, so shall we reap. I know that. I know that it is a universal law. And I also know that our Creator has blessed us, has bestowed every blessing upon us
upon us and it simply awaits our gratitude our love and our openness to receive it I know that I do know also that we are spiritual beings and Alan knows that too and there so now now I’m going to stop here and back up a little bit my concerns have become
a mixed message. What I see is a mixed message. That was why I was hoping that we could talk about these things on the air, not personally, not privately, but talk about it on the air for the benefit of you all so that we can understand
if there is a way that we can understand a discrepancy, what I see as a discrepancy, or maybe allow Alan an opportunity to restate. Maybe he misstated himself at one time or another. And it doesn’t have anything to do with discrepancies about ancient history. It is on the spiritual level, folks.
And this is my concern. And the fact that I have been an avenue since 1998 with that two-and-a-half-year hiatus right up to the current time. I have been the avenue for Alan to get his message out. I feel a very deep sense of responsibility.
Besides the love with which I do this broadcast, but a responsibility. I’ve had another broadcaster said one time the trouble with Jackie is that she debates with her guests too much. Whenever I had a guest on that said something that I absolutely knew was not so, then I would address it.
and if it turned into a debate which i didn’t bring ever bring anybody on to debate with but the one thing i would never do is to sit and let somebody make a statement as though it’s fact when i know the actual facts i’m not talking opinions here maybe a political thing whatever but i could not sit and not say anything
Because then, to me, it would mean that my listeners accept that I agree. And I don’t agree with inconsistencies. And that is what this is all about, is just inconsistencies. It isn’t opinion. And it isn’t beliefs. They’re just very simple and basic beliefs.
But they, as I said earlier, they relate, they affect the very core of our being. And I do, I’m going to address a few of these this evening, simply because we weren’t able to do it on the air.
As I wrote to somebody that, yes, we are at an impasse. I don’t know if it’s resolvable. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.
but I do know that we need closure on this, folks. If it isn’t resolvable, I could not see myself coming on the air and pretending that Alan Watt never existed in our presence with me and with you all together. Now, excuse me. What I’m going to do here, I did this back in May. These are words that Alan stated.
And that was May 17th, I believe, if I’m not mistaken. Or it might have been May the 24th. This is a conversation he was having with our mutual friend, Miss Effie Bernthorne. And the reason I’m going to repeat this is because this was stated very emphatically, and it was also stated very emphatically at another time on Sweet Liberty. The message today is different than this.
He was talking about the secret societies. And he said that people need to go to meetings and challenge them. This was part of the conversation. And make them admit that they have given an oath, if they’ve given an oath to another, to an association or a club or whatever.
And Miss Effie said that it seemed like you’d become a martyr if you did that because if you got up there in front of all of them, and he said, yes, it would be like you are a martyr. But he said, you know, the policemen are nothing but bully boys. Then here’s where he began…
the conversation that I transcribed from that conversation they had. She had it on tape because he never said it again. When I wanted to talk about it, the subject was always changed. These are his words. He says, talking about the policemen being bully boys, that they’re in the minority and once the head is cut off of any monster, the rest of it falls apart.
I’m trying not to read this whole thing, but just to skip down. They’re just robots who take a central command and a paycheck, but you’re conditioned to them all as invincible and undefeatable. But then, really, you go beyond them. You go to the ones who are in control of it all and point them out as being the gangsters that they are. They’re obvious gangsters.
And that’s when they talked about going up to the crowd, etc. And then she said it would be like being a martyr and he said it would be that anyway. He said there’s also another element to all of it, you see. And it does involve the fact that there is a consciousness in this world. And you can create consciousness in this world by willing it to be so.
And when you have enough on the same wavelength, as it were, because the other side used this technique for sure, when you have other people who are willing another way to come into existence, that…
is the real war that goes on. And it is a spiritual battle. We know that as well as the physical, don’t we, folks? He said, because at the very top of this, behind all the religions, behind all the masterminds that ever existed and gurus,
They have always known that there is such a thing as a spiritual force within every body that can be utilized. And they’re more terrified of that than anything else.
And again, he said, that’s the key. Because if you can keep everybody trapped in a world where everything boils down to matter, things that are produced and procuring wealth, as long as they can keep us trapped in basic material needs, we cannot get to that plane where the real war goes on. And he said, they’ve written about this. That’s what stunned me, is that they did write about this. And when you have enough people…
Just enough people. You don’t even have to be the 3%, but when you have enough who are honest enough and who are self-enlightened, they’ve come to that plateau. Who will will it to be another way? And that’s when their world will come crashing down and big changes will be made.
And that’s, as far as I’m going to go with that, that is the main thing that I wanted you to hear, ladies and gentlemen, that within every individual is a spiritual force. And the reason this is, I know that this is so. I know that this is so. And the reason that I bring this up is Because it is so important in my mind for all of us to know this. We don’t have to twist ourselves in pretzels. We don’t have to pray to saints. We are one with our Father Creator. We are of our Father Creator. And the communication is within us. The ability to communicate is within us. And…
I went and listened to some other broadcasts that he had been on some other shows because people were calling me and saying, did you hear this show? And he said this and he said that. And I would go to listen. And the one thing…that I have heard him say, and he said it on Sweet Liberty since, is that everybody doesn’t have spirit. Now that is exactly opposite of what I just read to you and what was said on the air on Sweet Liberty to a very large shortwave audience. And I believe we were on the Internet at the time. Not sure. But when people… If it was anybody, just anybody who said that…
You could take it with a grain of salt. It wouldn’t bother me. This is Alan Watt, who’s been a guest on this broadcast hundreds of times, who made the statement in direct opposition to the one that I just read to you that was made, that within every single individual is a spiritual force. Now the message is everybody doesn’t have spirit.
Everybody doesn’t have spirit. And that a spirit was made for us, but we have to call the spirit to us. And spirit doesn’t always come.
That’s frightening to people who hear that. And the reason it’s frightening is that people hear it from Alan Watt.
And I do know this, is that, in fact, I mentioned it to Alan that Wednesday. There are many people who have adopted Alan as their new guru. And as Alan has cautioned you, and as he’s said many times, that people are just looking for another guru to follow, for someone else to follow. When Alan says it, people take it seriously.
And if he had only been a one-time guest, I wouldn’t spend a broadcast doing this, folks, that he’s been here so many times. And because of that, I do feel the responsibility to address these differences. And possibly you would like to ask him the questions yourself. Or possibly Alan may call. I don’t know. I would rather not have a private conversation. I would like to do it
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All right. We’re back here, folks. So that was one of the, to me, the very important inconsistencies that I think it would be wonderful if it was explained how…
everybody doesn’t have spirit we have to call spirit to us and sometimes spirit doesn’t come and then on the other hand to say that within every individual is a spiritual force that was the message that was the message of love and hopefulness not hopelessness and there was that another statement that was made that regarding reincarnation that we only get 10 times 10 lifetimes
He said that was an ancient religion. I don’t know. This was a discussion we had on the air. In fact, it was just prior to having our two-and-a-half-year hiatus. He said for those who are waking up right now, it’s too late. And to say that…
to people who admire and respect and believe the person that they’re listening to and the fact that there is such wisdom and there is such a vast
memory bank full of ancient history that has been given us people take it seriously that causes confusion when we were on our last broadcast I thought what he said was was so when he was talking about people stepping out of the system and the first step that’s taken out of that system is the beginning and
And that’s when the spiritual side begins to develop. What I would like you to do is keep that in your mind. Keep that in your mind that within every single one of us is a spiritual force that literally can overcome this world. As Jesus said, ye are the light of the world. Ye are the light of the world. You keep that in your mind. Because I know that for the most part you’ll continue to listen to Alan
but you keep that in your mind it’s never too late no i take that back i can’t say that any more than alan can say we only have 10 lifetimes in my it is my belief not a knowing it is my belief like a knowing that when we begin questioning and we begin seeking truth is when we begin
the journey back home, if you would, into spiritual consciousness. I have no doubts of that in my mind, folks. And maybe we don’t get hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of time. Maybe if we don’t learn our lessons, and lessons are presented to us over and over and over again, and we choose…
We choose to ignore it. We choose to ignore that still small voice within us because we always know every time that we do something that isn’t okay. We know it. I’m not talking religious. Like if you don’t go to church on Sunday, you’re going to hell. Or if you happen to eat meat on Sunday or if you eat shellfish or whatever.
I’m not talking religious things. I’m talking about, as Jesus told us, when they asked him, what is the greatest commandment? He didn’t say, thou shalt not, thou shalt not, thou shalt not. He said, love your Father with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. That is the greatest commandment, and both are the same.
And we all know, each and every one of us, every time we do something that isn’t okay, that is mean or petty or vindictive or revengeful, if it isn’t loving, if it isn’t kind or compassionate, we’re stepping off the path. And we know it. And when we choose to ignore that over and over and over again, maybe it happens.
Maybe the energy dissipates back into the ethers. I don’t know. When I brought up this conversation that I read to you earlier on that one particular broadcast,
He said that that was meant for one person. And I reminded him that he had said it before to a huge audience of fundamentalist Christians, actually, a different listening audience than we have today because we’ve had many, many conversations about the religions. And Alan said that everybody isn’t ready for it. Well, folks, to withhold…
Spiritual truth, because somebody might not be ready for it, it’s an inconsistency. The truth is written in our hearts and we know the truth when we hear it. We know the truth when we hear it. But everybody isn’t ready for it. That was only meant for one person, I was told.
And he said that we shouldn’t talk against people’s religions because it’ll push them away or I forget which word was used. Well, Alan and I have spent dozens and dozens of hours discussing religions and how religions are man-made.
and exposing the lies of religion. And suddenly, on that particular night, we’re not supposed to say anything. I didn’t say anything, by the way, against somebody’s religion. I read a very beautiful passage of a conversation of words that Alan spoke to our friend Effie and that he had spoken on the air before. But that particular night, I believe, as I said, it was May 24th,
this year it was only meant for one person everybody isn’t ready for it and it’s Alan he said that he talks with people on a one-to-one basis I said but you can’t talk to everybody Alan my concern my concern is
is each and every person who’s listening to this broadcast takes from it something that is uplifting. And no, I’m not a cheerleader for this world, but to leave this broadcast so downcast that I’ve had mail from people and emails from people, okay, what are we supposed to do? Sounds to me like this is a done deal. Are we supposed to just roll over and play dead? No. And we do that, which we’re led to do from within us,
But I was told that he talks one-on-one to people. And when I said you can’t talk to everybody, I wanted our listeners who are ready for this to hear it. Then the comment was made that you can’t say things against people’s religion. And when I said you can’t talk to everybody, he said I’ve talked to hundreds. I said, but that isn’t everybody, Alan.
And there was dissension there. People called me and said he was miffed at you this evening. I regret that, folks. But to sit and say nothing when comments are made that are in exact opposition to what has been said before that nullifies the truth is what it does. And given that this is a Sweet Liberty broadcast hosted by Jackie Patrou and that I opened the doors…
back in 1998 for that message to get out. And I owe to you some explanation here as to what the, quote, impasse is. It isn’t that I’m angry because Alan doesn’t believe in what I do. As a matter of fact, very much we’re on the same page. And when this message began to come out more and more and more, everybody doesn’t have a spirit. And then we’re talking about
So I never did understand this, and I asked the question about it. Those who have been cast here, cast down, I asked where are they cast down from? Jesus said the kingdom of God is within us. Are they from up there in the sky somewhere, in the clouds? We cannot be cast away from our Creator.
because we’re one with our Creator, we can choose to ignore that or maybe we don’t know it. But if it’s presented and we choose to ignore it, it doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t make it not so. What it means is that in our mind, if we deny it,
and turn our backs and say, “That isn’t so. There is no God,” or whatever, then it’s as it isn’t, but it doesn’t change anything. I cannot be cast away from my Creator. I cannot cast my Creator from me because I am one with my Creator.
as you and each and every one of us are. It is choices we make, choices we make, if we have the opportunity to make the choice, if we ever come out of the lies of the religion. And this next that I want to share with you, I had a gentleman call me and tell me about this. I had forgotten all about it, and I actually had it played for you.
last Wednesday because I wasn’t going to be on the air. This was the broadcast that Alan and I did back in August of 1931, 2004. And it was replayed. It’s in our archives on November the 2nd. We were talking about…
the different colors of man, etc., etc., and talking about a white race.
And I said, as he was talking, we were talking about the red-haired pharaohs and people in China that they found red-headed, and they were white. I said, this sounds like a white race, Alan. And he said, it is. He says, yep. And I said, well, is it? He said, well, it is definitely a white race. And now listen.
He said it goes back into the legends of a super white race that were almost albino in the beginning and that goes back to the ancient mystery religions. The ancient mystery religions of the ones who were cast here to the earth
And the first bodies they created for themselves were basically pure albino. So what we’re getting here, I thought at that time that he was explaining what the ancient mystery religion belief was. And then he went into the Old Testament, the different, what they called them, whoreites and et cetera. He said there’s no doubt that the priesthood knew
Things did not begin with the Hebrews. You knew that. You know that. The world has been here much, much, much longer. It’s been through many empires that are lost in time and lost in history.
There have been many bids by the evil doers, you might call them, on the planet to take the whole world into their own control and under their own control for complete and total control as you see happening today. There’s no argument there, is there? But he says that something, the real creator…
always steps in at the grand finale and seems to lay them low again. And then they go back into hiding. They go back to the mystery religions because they’re hunted. And I ask, is this their history as they tell it? This is their history, yeah. But when you say the real creator steps in, that’s as though saying our creator actively gets involved in what’s going on.
That’s beyond my ability to comprehend. He says, well, long before the so-called mystery of religions, it was said that everyone on earth, the natural people who lived here, could converse freely on a one-to-one basis with the Creator. There was no priesthood. And eventually, over a period of time, this Creator left the world running like a clock.
left the world that’s like our creator comes and goes and it sounds to me like our creator is a man i’m not saying that our creator could not manifest into anything but think about this folks our creator is within each and everything in this physical realm there is a consciousness in all things
a consciousness in the plants and the trees in the animals in the fish and the birds there is a consciousness and that consciousness is of creator because creator is all in which we live and move and breathe and have our being our creator cannot come and go and this is what we were told
that it goes back to the ancient mystery religions. And he said they claimed that there was a war between these other beings and the Creator, and these beings were cast here. Now, he said a few paragraphs before this, or a few minutes before this, that the ancient mystery religions…
Religion is the one that teaches that there were evildoers who were cast here. And, of course, Alan has told us and exposed and verified and confirmed religions were made by man. Ancient mystery religion, I don’t care what religion it was, religions are made by man, people. But anyway, those who were cast here
started the whole ball rolling of trying to conquer everything through the use of science to control everything in the whole world. And they’ve tried at least seven times, according to the Brahmins, the Brahmin religion. So we’re talking about religions here. We’re talking about beliefs here.
And then he said that the secret is that the Creator Himself puts His faith into the lives of some people during that period. In other words, if there’s something worth saving here or changing, He will come back and change it.
I said, now, this sounds like, now, are you saying this is their story? And he said, no, this was written about in religions pre-existing the Hebrews. So what I’m getting here is that this is the story. It’s a story, and it’s from ancient religions. Those who were cast here…
and the Creator left the world, we may as well be talking about Jehovah, the God Jehovah of the Old Testament that Alan mentioned was Lucifer. I wouldn’t disagree with that. Not sure exactly what Lucifer represents or is meant to represent.
Maybe the Lord of this world. I’m not talking, when I talk about Creator, I’m talking about the source of all that is. And there’s the difference in spiritual truth and talking about ancient religions, beliefs, folks. And maybe I’ve said enough on this for you to at least consider as much as you appreciate and I’ve appreciated, Alan.
Alan and I have become friends. Well, in a sense, maybe. I thought we were friends. And I do regret that this has happened, although maybe this was meant to happen when it did, as it did. Because I can’t talk about, I don’t want to talk about this material world.
and those cast here and people taking over this world. We have to talk about the truth of our history here and the truth of this system and you can go and listen to hundreds of hours about that. When we’re talking spiritual issues I would prefer not to bring the stories of the religion of the Brahmins, of the Hebrews, the ancient mystery religions.
and refer to it as though it’s a spiritual truth. And of course it is up for you to discern. And that would mean asking, asking for discernment that the answers are within us, all of the answers, and just be discerning. And know that everything I say is not truth. I don’t claim to have all the truth. But begin to go within. And we have talked about this. Alan has discussed this.
begin to go within, to be, to sit quietly, to find quiet time, and to begin seeking. I believe that the majority of you who are listening to this broadcast are seekers.
And I don’t get the same kind of calls that Alan does. You know, the people who call that are ready to go off the edge and off the deep end and go into psychiatrists and that have to be programmed and reprogrammed. I get calls from those of you who want to talk
who ask questions, I can only share with you the level of my understanding and my own personal experiences. And I know that’s been invalidated in a sense, that the trouble with sharing your own experiences is that nobody can relate to them. I understand that. We have to have our own.
Although I can speak from personal experiences that I’ve had, I know that the universe is benevolent and I know that we are beloved and holy and precious children of our Creator. We don’t act that way all the time, do we? We have the potential. Let me put it that way. We were created that way. We were created that way. Like a perfect symphony.
Maybe we need to learn how to play the notes of that symphony. And then we will be being what we truly are as children of God, children of Creator. I don’t like that word. We’re almost out of time here. I…
I was wishing tonight that I was set up to take your calls. I took the phone away from the broadcast desk when I went off the air, and I unplugged some things. I don’t know how to plug everything back in.
And there’s a possibility that maybe I’ll get it hooked back up again so that I can take your calls. That would be fun. I would love to talk with you and hear from you. And I can’t tell you today what we’ll be doing next week because I don’t know. As I told you this evening when I first started, I would rather not have had…
this conversation tonight I would have rather had it with Alan I almost feel like I’m talking behind his back although I’m not because I know he’s listening and that is the way I would have hoped it could have been
And it wasn’t. And so it doesn’t mean you’ll never hear Alan Watt again, does it, folks? Because he’s doing his own. In fact, as I mentioned earlier, at least tonight, he said that his show tonight would be posted at 9.30 p.m.
Maybe he will reconsider that and either do his at 8 o’clock or 10 o’clock. So you don’t have to make a choice. It
It doesn’t matter to me. I’ve never advertised this broadcast. I have over 400 people on my email list, and I never once sent out an email that I recall. I might have once or twice, but I always felt in my mind that anybody who was listening to Sweet Liberty was meant to be listening to Sweet Liberty.
and that you would find it if there was a message here for you. One person told me they only listen to Sweet Liberty to hear Alan Watt. That’s okay. And you can hear Alan Watt because he’s doing his own now. And
We’re not quite out of time, and I feel like I’m out of words here. And if I had a song to sing to you, I would not sing to you, not sing to you, play for you. But we just have our one-minute warning here. There are probably things that I wanted to say or that I wanted to say in a different way. If I think of it, I’ll make a note.
and maybe bring it up, but don’t expect that another broadcast will be spent on this issue. And folks, thank you for being here tonight. And I will be back next Wednesday night, barring any unforeseen events. And so until then, have a lovely week. And good night.
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Summary
Jackie Patru hosts the radio show “Sweet Liberty” and addresses the audience on October 18, 2006, after a brief hiatus due to illness. She discusses an impasse with her frequent guest Alan Watt, emphasizing the importance of addressing listener questions and concerns about their differing views, particularly on spiritual matters.
Jackie shares spiritual messages from the Bible, expressing her belief in the inherent spiritual force within everyone and the need for discernment in understanding truth. She reflects on their past collaborations and the confusion arising from Alan’s recent statements that contradict earlier discussions.
Jackie expresses a desire for clarity and resolution regarding their differing beliefs while maintaining respect for Alan’s contributions to their shared audience.
She concludes by inviting listeners to explore archived broadcasts for more insights and reassures them of her commitment to providing uplifting content.
Key Points
Who is the host of Sweet Liberty?
Jackie Patru
What date is the broadcast taking place?
October 18, 2006
Why did Jackie have to replay previous programs?
She had a cold and was unable to broadcast live.
What is the main topic Jackie wants to address in this broadcast?
The impasse she reached with Alan Watt and the questions from listeners regarding it.
What spiritual message does Jackie share at the beginning of the broadcast?
She shares verses from Matthew 5 and 1 John 4 about letting one’s light shine and the importance of love.
What does Jackie say about the archives of past broadcasts?
She encourages listeners to explore the archives at SweetLiberty.org and CuttingThroughTheMatrix.com for past broadcasts.
What does Jackie express concern about regarding Alan Watt’s recent statements?
She is concerned about inconsistencies in his messages about spirituality and the nature of the spirit.
What does Jackie believe about the spiritual force within individuals?
She believes that every individual has a spiritual force that can overcome the material world.
What does Jackie say about the nature of truth and religion?
She emphasizes that spiritual truth is within us and that religions are man-made, often leading to confusion.
What does Jackie hope for regarding her communication with Alan Watt?
She hopes to resolve their differences publicly on air for the benefit of their listeners.
27th September 2006
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Think we have a little issue here As this talk is not on the CTTM archive ??
nope it is not…it was the one before the last talk , before the grievances between Jackie and Alan
but only now I discover it is missing from the archives…the problem is , on sweet liberty, this talk is mentioned as ” october 4 2006 ” ????? Yes it is also under september 27 but that is not the point…
Mystery mystery…..well it is not October 4 it is September 27 !!
So there is a lot of confusion going on…..why did that happen ?
Why did Sweet liberty make an error and why did Cuttingthroughthematrix , ALSO, make an error, at the same time, with the same talk ?
Mystery mystery………….Repeat , september 27th …..and yet it is on sweet liberty org under october 4th
see…
Not making it up
Why is that ?
Why has CTTM , after alan´s passing , repeat, AFTER Alan´s passing put up the last talk , september 28th 2006?
Why that hiatus ?Was it too embarrassing for Alan ?…Perhaps…However, one way or another, regardless, you cannot brush off about six years of bein together on radio shows without giving a proper explanation, Alan never gave a proper explanation for the fallout. The coming to a standstill. Not saying Jackie is not to blame, she is , to some extent, for sure, the point is it should have been discussed in the open, in public , to straighten things out but Alan had enough of it or it may bring things to light that rather be in the dark. Some flaws perhaps about previous claims. In other words, Jackie was starting to dig too deep and that is sort of where the blinds came down. There were some inconsistencies but we will never really know for sure.
We have to read between the lines…
I will use an AI tool now…to auto -transcribe the talk…September 27th…It was a strange talk as there were technical issues at the beginning…as you can hear, connection got interrupted. Strange noises on the line
Transcript (using AI so it has some spelling errors)
Summary
The text is a transcript of a radio show hosted by Jackie Patru and featuring guest Alan Watt. They discuss various topics including weather control, media influence, and the public’s perception of reality. Jackie expresses her concerns about how people are conditioned to accept mainstream narratives without questioning them, while Alan elaborates on the manipulation of public perception and the historical context of media and government. They touch on spiritual matters, the New Age movement, and the importance of personal truth-seeking. The conversation highlights the disconnect between societal norms and individual spiritual growth, emphasizing the need for critical thinking and personal responsibility in understanding the world.
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Key Points
Who is the host of Sweet Liberty?
Jackie Petru is the host of Sweet Liberty.
What is the date mentioned in the broadcast?
The date mentioned is September 27, 2006.
Who is the guest on the show?
Alan Watt is the guest on the show.
What weather condition is mentioned in both Canada and Pennsylvania?
It is raining in both Canada and Pennsylvania.
What topic does Jackie discuss regarding the weather and legislation?
Jackie discusses a water bill passed in Pennsylvania that coincided with a shift from drought conditions to increased rainfall.
What does Alan Watt suggest about people’s beliefs regarding media?
Alan suggests that many people have swallowed the reality presented by the media and believe it without question.
What does Jackie express concern about regarding people’s understanding of truth?
Jackie expresses concern that people are confused and spiritually floundering due to the lies in religion and media.
What does Alan say about the New Age movement?
Alan states that the New Age movement was designed to distract people from participating in real-world issues.
What does Jackie believe about the listeners of Sweet Liberty?
Jackie believes that the listeners are seeking truth and are not looking for another guru or religion.
What does Alan say about the relationship between spirit and matter?
Alan states that spirit and matter meet in this world, and actions taken here will determine one’s spiritual journey.
You’re listening to Jackie Patru and Sweet Liberty.
And now, here’s your host, Jackie Patru.
(Silence for about twenty seconds, strange noises..static )
Jackie : Do I have you?
Alan : Yeah. It isn’t past nine o’clock, is it? It’s right on now. Well, maybe we’re not going to have our intro tonight. All right, ladies and gentlemen, give it…
Hello. Yes. Are you there?
Alan : I am.
Did you just hear a squeal?
Alan : A squeal, yeah.
I hope we’re on the air. I don’t know if we are or not. But folks, if we are on the air, thank you for tuning in tonight to Sweet Liberty. And I am Jackie Petru, your hostess. Normally when I dial us in,
I can hear the commercial before and then the opening song, Sweet Liberty song. And that’s why I’m not so sure I’m on the air. Today is Wednesday, and it is the 27th of…September in the year 2006. Alan Watt is our guest this evening. Alan, thanks for being here tonight. It’s a pleasure. I was forgetting myself what month it was. Were you really? Yeah, when you were thinking about it, what month is it? Well, it goes so fast. It does go so fast. So it’s raining there in Canada. It’s raining here in beautiful Pennsylvania.
And that just seems, I just for some reason felt that we were going to be having a very beautiful Indian summer. I was looking forward to it with all the rain because other than the first two weeks in May, it’s never been dry here, Alan.This whole last week and beyond actually it was raining and it’s been pouring pretty well all day steadily. But mind you when the clouds are breaking up sometimes in between rain showers I can see the higher clouds which are the trails of the aircraft. The chemtrails. They’re still above the lower clouds, yeah. Uh huh.
So they’re laying it on thick. Well, I don’t know if I mentioned this on the air before, but maybe I have. I do know that I repeat myself, but you never know who you’ve told something to.
when you’re talking to a lot of people. Here in Pennsylvania, we moved in in late ’95, but when we were looking at the property, she said that they were in a drought condition and had been for a couple, three years up here in northern Pennsylvania, north central. And I asked her if the farmers had irrigation and she said no, because they’d never needed it. And then it was back, I believe, maybe 2000.
I don’t know how. No, it wasn’t. It was 2002, towards the end of the term, the legislative session. They passed a water bill. And the water bill they passed was a real doozer. I mean, it was just loaded, which will be, of course, encouraging the local townships and the counties to start monitoring well water.
And because of the drought, I mean, that’s why everything was in the bill, because it had been in a drought condition for so many years. And right after, well, it was a beautiful, it was, 2002 was a beautiful fall. It was a beautiful, warm fall.
dry, gorgeous leaf, you know, all of the different types of trees. Just awesome. And that doggone bill got passed, and it was spring of 2003 when it started raining here. My garden has been drowned out, well, two years in a row, and this year I was never able to get it in, Alan.
So as soon as they got that bill passed, and if anybody listening thinks that that’s just a coincidence, folks, you’ve got to start opening your eyes, opening your ears, and
Don’t believe it just because you hear it, but start doing your own research. You know, Alan, that’s the thing that gets me is when somebody, and I’m not talking about our listeners. I don’t think they’d be listening to this broadcast if, you know, they were deniers going into denial. But people you will talk to, intelligent people, will say, uh-uh, I don’t believe that. That’s not possible. I had a friend here, a very intelligent person,
We were talking. I mentioned weather control. He said, that’s impossible. The weather’s too big. It can’t be controlled. And I was telling him some things. He said, you’re not going to convince me. I said, no, I don’t want to convince you, Greg, but I hope that you’re curious enough to maybe say, well, I’d like some information on that. I’d like you to prove it.
You know, be curious enough to ask for some documentation. I’ll be glad to provide it. He didn’t say no thank you. He just dropped the subject. Yeah. And Alan, what is that? When a person doesn’t even say, are you serious? Oh, come on, give me a break. Prove it to me. Yeah. What is it?
Well, it’s a person who has swallowed the reality they’ve been trained to believe in. And it’s augmented by their growing up watching the 6 o’clock news and really believing it’s there to do all their thinking for them. I see. And if it’s not mentioned on the mainstream news, it can’t be true. Oh, boy. Okay. That’s how simple it is. Yeah. You know, 50 years ago, the public were suspicious of media.
Because they knew media in the different papers, left wing, right wing, and up and down and all the rest of it. They all had their little spins and agendas or their ways of covering stories according to their particular view on things.
And they also knew they were all private organizations, you see. And big money was always viewed with suspicion, especially anything to do with the mind and information has to do with the mind. But today they’ve been so well, they’ve been brought up with television.
I mean, actually brought up with it as weaned them. As weaned them until they’re adults. And Brzezinski said that. Did you say weaned them? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. They’re babysat by the television. And they go to kindergarten. And even have the… You look at kindergarten…
schools now they all have the satellite antennas on top so they can watch their favourite cartoons and so on and get the same indoctrination and so and again the standardisation of all education worldwide it’s not just national it’s worldwide you bounce your ideas off anybody across the planet and if they come back partying the six o’clock news and it suits your views then you judge yourself same that’s how we judge ourselves same by bouncing ideas off other people I see so if they have a six o’clock news version of the world and everybody else does then we must all be right that’s what they think yeah But really Brzezinski said that himself in his own book. The public would shortly be unable to reason for themselves. They can only parrot what had been downloaded with on the previous night’s news. You know, I saw a quote. Sometimes when I’m pulling up emails, I think about making notes,
Just to mention some of these things that I get, there was a statement by Zbigniew Brzezinski, and I don’t recall if there was a date, but in my mind as I was reading it, I was under the impression it was a fairly recent quote, and he was talking about Iran in a favorable way. And I thought, what in God’s name is going on? And there were articles, because I subscribe online, Washington Post, New York Times,
Times and the Toronto Star and USA Today and I just do a rundown just take a look at their you know take a look at the headlines and there’s there’s
I tell you what it reminds me of. They’re just saying a lot of stuff now. And then you try to figure out, okay, why are they airing this? And I think back of the protocols where it said that the people will want peace and rest.
from the terror and the chaos. And they’re going to, in the protocols, I wish I had it handy. I could read it because I’ve got it bookmarked. But basically they said that the people are going to get so irritated, so angry, and with their governments,
that they won’t, in other words, to hell with it all and then they’ll accept our international super government. Yeah, to try to break the will down through anxiety and they understand because they’ve done so many tests on animals and just as many humans as well that we can only take so much stress continuously especially when it’s not resolved, you know, unresolved stress. Yeah.
It builds up until you end up like Pavlov’s dog. You just sit in the middle and you shake because you can’t see a way around it all. And that’s what they want. Then when a savior comes along with an answer and says, there, there, don’t worry, go back to sleep, I’ll take care of it. Yes. We do. The king desperate of the blood of Zion.
They said it will be the pope of the world. Oh, well, they can have their pope. Their king, despot of the blood of Zion. So you see, now so much is coming out in the media that it’s making people angry with the U.S. Congress.
with the economic system, of course. But the blame is starting to be laid now on these agencies and these individuals. And I believe that that’s what they’re doing.
They also like to almost lull us back between the crisis until we were off guard and then hit you fast again, fast and hard with something else. We go up and down on this roller coaster and that’s another technique of breaking you down too.
Nobody, I don’t believe anybody was expecting what happened on September 11, 2001. Oh, you said the ones that planned it. Right, exactly. It was a shock. I was in shock, literally. And I thought about this because there’s always these threats of nuclear weapons.
They’re going to nuke Iran and they’re going to nuke Syria and Israel is using nuclear weapons now. And I think that fear is being put into people. And they’ll do something totally…
off the beaten path that will be terrible and shocking to people and throw everybody back into a state of paralysis, I guess you would say. Yeah. And it probably won’t be a nuclear explosion, and I pray that it doesn’t, but there’s been too many threats of it. I guess that’s what I’m thinking. Oh, I know. They cry wolf so many times. Mm-hmm.
the cry of wolf. You remember too that in the early 90s the Cold War was over. During the whole Cold War we never had, and most countries never had any practice for anything. There was no real set up during rehearsals in public for a nuclear war.
with ambulances and firemen and police and military. And in ’95, across Canada and other countries as well, even in small towns, in the last place I lived in, it’s a potato town basically, I went in one day and in ’95, and there’s this emergency response drill
with people as actors pretending they were hurt and injured and firemen there, police there, military there and I asked one of the guys, I said what’s all this? He says, oh we’re practicing in case someone put a bomb out of outside Baxter’s laboratory
And I thought, well, what’s going on here? I said, you know, the Cold War is over. We never had this kind of drill during the Cold War. Right. What’s happening? And then, of course, Margaret Thatcher, just a few years before it, in her speech at Massey Hall in Toronto, which was entitled The New World Order, you know, her actual appearance there in the newspapers.
She said the next war will be on fundamentalist religions, probably beginning in the Middle East. I thought we’ll all fall into place. Then 9/11 came along after Brzezinski’s book, The Grand Chessboard. They get what they want.
So it was all planned long before. I don’t know if you’ve ever read Benjamin Friedman’s talk. I think it was in 1963 or 60. It was in the 60s. And if you read that speech, you’d think the speech was being given, well, maybe was given a couple or three years ago because he said, right now as I’m speaking, they’re planning a war, a long war in the Middle East.
And they will be using your children, you know, as the cannon fodder. I’m very broad- Well, H.E. Welger wrote about that before World War II. I understand. I know. Right, when you say, you know, Margaret Thatcher said it a couple of years ago. It’s been in the…
making a long time in getting I know I’m not going to go into religion here you seem to want to stay away from that I don’t mean religion either I’m talking spiritual
issues but um i got a an email today and it was a kind of an overview of a book that was written god is a lie or something like that and you know i said this when i was writing jewish persecution that it appears to me that i was using christianity as an example was uh
founded to be destroyed. In other words, there’s so many lies in religion that when people begin to find out the truth, the lies that they’ve been told, I said my concern is that, and what I believe they probably hope for, is that people will throw the baby out with the bathwater. And this book…
is saying there is no God. You see, he goes back into the Old Testament and he mentions how Jehovah lovingly commanded that Abraham should kill Isaac, his beloved son. And he makes, the way the article about it is written, the guy makes a case for people to say there is no God or Creator. Right.
In other words, it’s science. And then this whole universe is physical. And all the laws of the universe are the laws of physics, see? So there is no higher being. And I thought, as I was reading it, and he brought all the religions in. It wasn’t just Christianity. It’s just like this. You see, there is no, quote, God.
And that, above all things, in my mind, would leave people at least in their hearts. Well, they believe in the religion that they were born into or that they settled on. They believe that they want to hang on to whatever it is that they’ve been given and not question it. Yeah.
And there are people now who are just totally confused. It’s like, what is truth? What is there? Yeah. What is there? That’s why they’re doing all the searching and going into all the different groups and following gurus. Uh-huh. It’s something to fill the gap that’s been left. The hole that’s been left, really.
And of course the whole New Age cult or whatever they’re involved in, which is all New Age, was designed by the same people who controlled the old religion. Yeah. Well, the New Age, yeah. But we have to be careful there that, you know, just anybody who finally rejects religions that were made by man and begins to seek the higher spiritual truth
It doesn’t necessarily mean they’re new age. No, unless they follow the same formulas. I don’t know. Well, what formulas would you be talking about? Well, there’s always a master, like a guru. Okay. Now, guru in India is also a god, by the way. Your personal guru is a god. I see. And it’s the same thing here. They created the new age movement in the 60s, or they pushed it in the 60s,
from the top down
And it was sung through music and so on. They sent the Beatles off to get it all, the ball rolling. And sure enough, all the followers follow. That’s what followers do. They can’t think for themselves and say, well, these guys, our heroes are doing this. There must be a truth in there. And that got the Maharishi set up. All the magazines went into action at the same time. All the newspapers just seen how wonderful it was.
And at the same time you had guys being interviewed, pop stars and rock stars who were stoned out of their skulls doing interviews on mainstream TV, falling off chairs and then the interviewers were laughing or “Tee hee hee, aren’t we naughty” type thing.
because it was meant to get all the youngsters involved as they made this curvature of change from the old religions into the new and the Scottish Rite of Freemasons the High ones the Rite of Perfection their magazine was called the New Age back in the 1950s and they said they would bring in the New Age with a movement and that was it you know I don’t know if you’re aware of this
And I don’t know how you feel about it, but when you talk about people, you know, they just find someone else to follow. You’ve become, in a sense, a guru to a lot of people. I wonder how you, if you’re aware of that, people that I talk to, it’s almost as though you’re next to the Messiah here. You know what I’m saying? Well, I tell everybody that they’ve got to check everything out for themselves.
And it isn’t that you show them or point them in a way, you see. And say, here’s a formula. And people, unfortunately, are trained in regular religions, too, to go through formulas. Yeah, formulas. And things, pentacles and so on. So they’ve been trained in formula, ritual.
It’s a very human thing to almost want this mass movement of ritual. When you say ritual, that’s a real broad… A predetermined physical movement with sequential verbal responses to two phrases that are put out there. Just like they do in the churches. That’s right. Who wants a game of dominoes? Not me. Yeah. That type of thing. You made a statement one time, and this was back sometime in the spring. We were talking. In fact, I had read something that, you know, you had said to Effie, and it was so important that I had transcribed it off the tape and read it. And you said, well, I…
That’s only meant for one person. And you said I talk to people one-on-one. My concern, of course, is, and as I said, you can’t talk to everybody, not every single person. So to withhold truth that you know are true is…
It saddens me for them. You have to though. You can’t give ultimate truth to people unless they are prepared to see what you are giving them. Because if you don’t prepare them individually they can’t see what you are giving them.
What you said to Effie, though, was something that you had said on the air several years even prior to that. You said it on the air. But then you said that, you know, you talk to people one-on-one and you’re deprogramming them and you said that you… Then you reprogrammed them. And, you know, I didn’t… That kind of slid by me when you said it and then I got to thinking about it when you…
Who has the right to program anybody? The thing is, all you can do is start them off. You start them off and you let them search out themselves. But is that what you refer to as reprogramming?
No. Most people what they do is they choose a religion. They choose the religion they’ve already wanted. That’s what the whole New Age movement is, is they go shopping for religion. Really they’re looking for the one they’ve already chosen. They’ve already picked an advance in there. And they want something with no boundaries.
No rights or wrongs or don’t dos or dos. Is that part of the New Age movement? Yes. So in other words, the New Age movement does not teach that as we sow, so shall we reap.
Oh, they’ll say certain things like karma, but it’s almost like a credit card system where you can do now and pay later. Okay. Yeah, the karma thing. Uh-huh. I mean, the whole New Age movement is taken directly from Hinduism. All of it. The channeling, the different types of meditation with the chants.
repetition and chance bringing in different guides or power animals or whatever it happens to be people would call it shamanism here but they have the same thing in India but you don’t reject shamanism do you?
Well, unless you… Why shouldn’t you reject it, number one? Well, I ask you that because you have spoken with the shamans, some of the shamans that have come to visit you. It’s almost like you’re saying, don’t you accept the religion? No, no. Is shamanism a religion? Yeah. Okay, well, what about the shamans who have…
the inner knowledge and the wisdom because there are some and you’ve spoken with them the ones who have any kind of real real real insight into things have been moving away from society and people over the last 10 years right because they don’t want to be around people anymore they don’t want visitors
And now you have the tourist ones that you can go and pay your money and you’ll have some tobacco smoke in your face. Yeah, and see I’m not referring to them though. I’m referring to the ones that you’ve spoken to some seemingly very, very wise men. Oh yeah, and you always find as well that they’re pretty, they like their solitude. And I think that’s the only way you can go. Because we’re so bombarded. We’ve never had a period in history
We are so bombarded from the minute you get up to go to bed with electronic sound. People actually switch on the radio first thing in the morning and the topics to fill their head are given right to them. They have no say in the topics. It’s downloaded into them. They drive to work listening to it.
Sometimes at work they even listen to it. And the same thing going back home, then they watch TV for the rest of the night. Their whole waking time is taken up with someone else, different people, professionals at that, companies, broadcasting thoughts and ideas and opinions right into their mind. And they don’t even participate in the answers themselves. They’re downloaded.
So people today, a lot of people, I think you mentioned it yourself, you knew some, they can’t go to sleep without the TV or the radio on. A lot of people are becoming that way now. Yes, I know. They’re scared stiff of silence. And then we’re talking probably…
From the conversations I’ve had with so many listeners over the past 10 years and letters that I’ve received from them, I find, Alan, that we all seem to have a lot in common. The people who have listened to Sweet Liberty, and I’m not saying every one of them, but it seems that the people who began listening and stuck in there even when WWCR was sabotaging the heck out of our…
They’ve always been more into natural foods.
If they don’t garden, then they seek more natural foods. They’ve never been big TV watchers. Most of them, I don’t think, even went to college. It’s like maybe it’s a magnet, the saying, birds of a feather.
flock together but I believe that the people who listen to Sweet Liberty are here because they are seeking the truth and they’re not looking for another guru or not looking for another religion but in their hearts
truly want to know what is what, what is truth, then we have to take a break here. I just want to differentiate between the majority of listeners and the people who are there. We’ll be right back. Thank you.
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Oh, we sure have been indoctrinated with a fiction, haven’t we, Alan? I know. There’s so many of them. Excuse me. It occurs to me that…
It’s obvious I seem to have a head cold here. I was wondering if it was that or the vinegar. No, not the vinegar. This doggone thing started yesterday. At least it’s staying in my head. And that’s a blessing.
For me of course because that silly lung thing I get. But no, it’s just I’m very very nasal. Mind you, a lot of people get that. I get it too with the rains at this time of year. Really? Never mind the stuff they’re adding to it. But yeah, normally I get that anyway because a lot of the leaves are dying.
and some of them turn to powder. Yeah. There’s molds out there. Isn’t that kind of like an allergy, though? Yeah. I’ve never at least had any known allergies. I think this is just a head cold. You know, I know, I remember…
Maybe a couple weeks ago or whatever, I started to say something, and you said you didn’t really want to get into it. But, Alan, in today’s… In today, I can’t think of anything more important today than for people…
to begin to have an understanding of exactly what it was that you said to Effie and that you had said on the air sometime back in 99. Because when people realize that they’ve been lied to, it’s this conversation that I’ve had with listeners that are so concerned, confused, Alan,
They have realized that the religious most of… Well, religion itself. There are truths in the Bible. There are truths that are given in every religion because otherwise they could never keep the people, you know, taking in more. But I wonder if you…
Because you had said it, just exactly almost the way you said it to Effie. And when I read it, you said, you know, well, you’re opposing people’s religions and it’s only for a one-on-one thing. And I get my wondering is, why was it okay to say it publicly to a shortwave audience?
And we have people that are just spiritually floundering. And I’m not saying that I have answers for people. I can only share with people my understandings and experiences that I’ve had, as you’ve said, in the past. And I know that it’s so we can believe. We believe by faith, but we know by experience. It’s the only thing, isn’t she?
The problem with any experience is it’s unverifiable to anyone else. Well, exactly. But it’s something that we ourselves know. But my question is, maybe you could explain this to me because you did say it. And then…
We have a whole new audience today. In fact, the audience that you said it to by far and basically were fundamentalist Christians. You know, the old New Testament, every word is gospel truth. And you said it identically to that.
And then when I read it on the air, you said it’s only meant for one individual. Have you had second thoughts about that? Well, I’ve watched over the last few years, and I’ve talked to many, many people, even going back to 9 to 8.
And I know the ones who can understand on a particular level of understanding that the basics of what’s happening and the why things are happening, but also it’s…
There’s more to it than just the purely material world that everybody’s terrified of losing. Yes. And they are, you know. Exactly. There are people phoning me up now. Who you would definitely see are nice people.
who are phoning me up and asking me in desperation how they can get their money out of the country before it collapses and all this kind of stuff and I’m saying to them look I’d never ever advise you on that because it’s all nonsense anyway
What’s happening is a global situation. Oh my gosh, yes. And I said, it doesn’t matter what you move to where. I said, the new system that’s supposed to come out of this one won’t be using money as you know it. You’ll be getting so many credits and so will everyone else get the same amount every week. And you can’t save them up. They’re gone at the end of the week.
But however they are desperate about all of this. I get once phoning me about the draft to try and get their sons out of the country. Well that I can understand. Desperate. Desperation. And to go into a spiritual side of things,
You have to… They have to make their own personal decisions. Of course they do. I do understand that, Alan. And many of the people, you see, what they’re really wanting is to keep this system going
as it is and don’t get any worse in your lifetime. Just stop it right now. You mean a lot of people that you talk to? Yes. Okay. Well, that’s different because the conversations that I’ve had with people, their concern is of a spiritual nature. Yes. And there is a lot of confusion.
And you see, the whole thing with here, this earth here, it doesn’t matter what you go into or how many, if you go off to South America and pop drugs to get some experience, it isn’t going to do you any good. Right.
Because you’ll wake up as yourself again, the same old you, in the same old body, hopefully in a way, the next day. Wherever you go, there you are. That’s right. And so what you have is this is where spirit and matter meet. This is the deciding place. And you can’t save one without the other.
This is the whole thing. In other words, you must act out the thoughts that come to you. You must put into action what is right through what you see as the spirit that comes to you.
the quiet little inner you that pushes should I keep my mouth shut and keep my head down and just go along in the physical maybe they won’t notice me but you know yourself you’re copping out you have to act because whatever you do here is going to decide if there is another life for you yes it’s all decided here yes
But again, lots of people, if you start encouraging a spiritual side, you could bring millions of people to you. But what they’re after really is complete escapism from here. That’s the problem. Complete escapism from here, you mean here in the physical? That’s right. The amount of the New Agers who follow me,
who’ve been to all the different groups and spent God knows how many thousands of dollars in each one they don’t want to look at the world at all they really don’t want to look at the world as though it didn’t concern them they’re in total denial and that was part of the reason the New Age Movement was created so they wouldn’t participate in decision making in the world and that’s the problem if you encourage them
But when you say, wait, encourage them, it doesn’t have to be encouraging them into the New Age religion. Not if you understand at the very beginning that I wouldn’t impart anything to them personally unless I knew they were going to act on it. When you say act on it, act on what? On ultimate truth.
There’s no point having ultimate truth and then sitting back and saying, well, I’m just like a Christian saying, I’m fine, I was saved. Ah, gotcha. In other words, it’s for them personally, not… Yeah, it’s like, remember that old song, This World Is Not My Home, I’m Just Passing Through? No, I don’t… The old Christian song. No, I don’t… Well, that’s the same with the New Age. They’re taking themselves out of the game here.
and they don’t want to believe that anything has anything to do with them. In other words, when they see the killing…
The wars, the torturing, when they see the minds of the children. Now this, it’s hard to believe. Do they say then, oh well it’s okay, this isn’t all real. It doesn’t matter what they’re doing to the children in the school and that they’re losing their minds and their soul. What is happening to the soul?
We have discussed this before, you know, because it’s been a thought in my mind. If it is, the mind is the gateway to the soul. And, of course, that is a statement attributed to Jesus in the New Testament where he said, fear not those who can kill the body, but fear those who can kill the body and the soul. And are you saying then, I guess I don’t know any New Age people because I have never heard this,
That this all means nothing just because, oh well, this is an illusion. Oh yeah, you get that from a lot of them. And I get so many of them who literally, their minds are so strung out and they end up in psychiatry and psychology and therapy. They’re phoning me up out of desperation. I’ve spent countless hours on the phone with different ones.
So I’ve been through this absolute hell called the New Age. And so I would never, ever encourage anybody or promote it. Well, of course not, Alan. Of course not. But see, I wasn’t talking about the New Age. I was talking about spiritual truth. Yeah. And that… Well, see, a spiritual truth is a simple thing because it’s something…
that everyone, maybe except the psychopath, everyone could relate to it immediately. So, okay, the spiritual truth particularly that I’m thinking of is where you said on the air to a very large shortwave listening audience, fundamentalist Christians, that within every individual is the spiritual force.
Yes, they want to use it. Yes, exactly. And you said that the, you know, the ones today that we see that we believe are in control, that there is a force beyond them. I believe that. It’s been a sense that there is a hidden power that’s pushing all this, and it isn’t nice. But…
The people at least who are searching and then they hear a mixed message because you know you’ve said that within every individual there is a spiritual force and that these creatures that are controlling in the background know it.
They’re aware of it. And their greatest fear is that enough people will find out about it. Yeah, and it would be enough people to understand what they’re really doing. And that means they’ve gone through a process of re-evaluating for themselves
that old thing called the meaning of life or the purpose of life which is not the system that we’re living in and when they realize that really they’re not out to save a system because it wasn’t theirs to begin with it was given to them and they’re willing to take a chance into the unknown then that they’re ready for it
Most people really, as I say, want to save this system because it’s the only one they know, even though it was given to them. Well, I’m speaking for those who have gone beyond that and do realize it. And, you know…
For myself, you know, you and I have talked probably hundreds of hours. And I told you, you know, from a little girl, my earliest memories, laying in bed and, quote, talking to God at night and asking a jillion questions. But there were certain things I knew. I knew. And then I discovered…
the knowing was there. It’s almost like sometimes you read something, Alan, and it strikes your memory, the memory maybe that we brought with us or the memory that is within us. And so my search has progressed
as a result of reading, reading, reading, reading. The School of Metaphysics, I told you I was a student there, and I did have experiences, and they weren’t magical experiences. They were real experiences.
But I needed, at least for me, see, maybe it’s hard for you to relate to this. The memory is there, but it seems to take something, something somebody says, something you read, to bring that memory into your conscious knowing. Does that make sense, what I’m saying? What it is, is that it’s there, but you see, you have to be ready for it.
You must have, you probably experienced something in your life and suddenly it will come to you because it fits the moment. It actually matches the moment whereas you hadn’t had that particular occurrence happen before. Yeah. So that’s the difference. Because we are, see life is supposed to be a journey of constantly growing. Yes. They’ve trained us in the last, only in the last 40 years you know.
40 or 50 years, probably 40 years, they’ve trained us that old people are of no value. And yet, before that, people who were elderly had the wisdom and the knowledge to guide the young. And so they were looked up to with esteem. Yes, they were revered. So they reversed that. And they said that, and Maurice Strong said it at the Earth Summit,
They’d have to destroy the last vestiges of the family. And once that was gone, then government, the state, would dictate directly to the individual and no one would be there to stand up for the individual. The family would be gone. That was always the goal of government. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah, it’s quite interesting that old men run this world, at least the visible ones that we see.
Old men kind of think of everybody else to disregard the elderly and every other sphere. Yes, that is interesting, isn’t it, Alan? Yeah, because they’re ancient. Oh, yes. Do you believe that there are people living here…
that have been here for maybe hundreds of years. Yeah, and I can tell you, it’s awful boring. No, that wasn’t a joke. Yeah, I know, I know. Well, the reason I said that, you know, I was talking to Stephen Ames. He went into…
religions and spiritual matters because he said that he knew that there had to be something, you know, beyond what this is going on, what keeps driving it. And we had a conversation one day and he said, I’m going to say something to you and you’re probably going to think I’ve lost my mind. He said, I believe that there are people here who’ve been here for hundreds of years. Mm-hmm.
And, you know, it didn’t sound to me like he had lost his mind, Alan.
Yeah. You know, with science and with their longevity, et cetera. Well, David Suzuki, who was one of the main spokesmen for the big nation’s natural shows for brainwashing us into nature, headed by the World Wildlife Fund and the United Nations, who was a geneticist himself,said on the CBC national television in Canada about three or four years ago, it says we now have the capability to stop the time clock in the gene and make a person live to 500 years or so. Well, there you go. Now, whenever we are told, whenever a truth in this system is admitted, it’s already antiquated. Yeah, a fact. So we always get third-hand news. Sure.
So it’s not impossible. I know that in the early 1900s they’d cracked the genetic code then, probably before then, because Rutherford was the world’s most famous mathematician, and he was the guy they pulled in to do all the measurements for the Great Pyramids and so on. And his own memoirs mention that he was employed in his last years to work on genetics. Now, you would not employ a mathematician to work on genetics if you hadn’t found the gene yet. Wow. It was only supposedly suspect then. So there’s little giveaways that they’ve tracked a long ago. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah.
You know what, when you made a joke and said it’s pretty boring? Yeah. Who’s joking, eh? Who’s joking?
But not boring, but oh my God, who would want to be here for 500 years, Alan?
Well, you certainly would never want to be here for 500 years if you lived on the lower strata of society. Now, if you were a member of an elite with perfect physical health,
I can understand them wanting it.
Jackie : I can’t. You see? I can’t. No, you know what, Alan? No, I can’t. Because I can’t.
There is something there within. I mean, even if it’s been buried and cut off and anything you want to say, they are not alive. They are not living, Alan. If you cannot love, you are not living. Yeah. And so I can’t… The only love they have is for themselves. Exactly. Exactly.
So, no, I can’t understand. I mean, you know, to say, oh, well, if I could live in the lap of luxury and I could be healthy forever, sure, I’d like to be here for… I can’t… No, that wouldn’t be my cup of tea, Alan. Yeah. And it wouldn’t be yours either, I don’t think. Well, I’ll tell you, there was a program just a few days ago on the CBC, on the news, on the special report. and it was about some supposed new treatment where they inject fetal tissue into you to keep you young and they were doing it in I think it was China they were going to oh Oh, don’t you think they’ve been doing that for a long time? Oh, they’ve been doing it. I think that’s what the brain stem research is all about. Well, they make cocktails of them, too. But the thing is, this woman had about, I don’t know how many facelifts she had, but she was very wealthy.
Her face was stretched so tight there was hardly a wrinkle. She couldn’t close her eyes. Oh, God. And there she was off to spend money to make her live longer. So there are people like that. I understand that. There are. But…
And that cannibalism, I don’t care if you eat it, it’s injected into your whatever, that is cannibalism. Exactly.
Oh, yes, it is cannibalism. And you know what? That’s in the Old Testament. It’s one of the curses. Well, not only that, but it’s one of the curses of Jehovah.
You know, if you do my statutes, there were a few paragraphs about all the physical things, material things you’re going to get. If you don’t do my statutes, I think there’s about a page and a half, Alan, and one of them is amongst all the ugly, nasty, terrible things is that the parents will eat their own children. That’s a curse of Jehovah in the Old Testament. Well, you know what I got to thinking about? The genetically modified food, they’re using human DNA.
I know. Human genes. They’re using animal genes. And I thought about this. I thought, you know what? They’re doing it. They’re doing it. We become cannibals when we eat the genetically modified fruits and vegetables. Or you get your modern inoculations. They don’t use animals now to grow the viruses and so on. But they actually use…
Fetal tissue. Fetal tissue. And injected into you with the viruses. Under the guise of science. Sure. That’s the new priesthood with the white coat. Sure. And people don’t stop to think what they’re actually doing.
Because we’ve been trained to believe anything which is scientific is good. And it’s the biggest con out there, really. It’s that total belief system. Even though they keep changing their theories on the same topics every few years, they still persist that it is a science. Yes.
And the value to this conversation of what you’re saying right now is for people who may just be newly tuned in, that we’re not just talking about some out there woo-woo thing. They’re doing it. They’re doing it, yeah. And it can be proven and it can be discovered, yes? Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely. There’s no big detective work to find this kind of stuff out. It’s a horror story just looking back. Yes, it is. That’s why I think it is important for you and I when we do these broadcasts, Alan, to bring in Every time I say this, you say, well, I’m not going to be a cheerleader for this world.
I’m not talking about cheerleading.
I’m talking about the importance of at least discussing and sharing with our listeners there’s so much more. There’s so much more than this physical world, and there’s so much beyond religion. Mm-hmm.
And if they want to be taught something, they must put it into practice. Exactly.
Hey, let me ask you a question. If we could do tomorrow night at the same time, 9 p.m., could you come on?
Oh, goody. I think we’re going to be able to do this, folks. I had talked to Nicholas, and he said to let him know, and I am going to give him a call. I would like to pick this conversation up tomorrow where we left off this evening.
Because, Alan, in my heart, to me, there couldn’t be anything more important that we could share with our listeners.
Thank you, Alan. And, ladies and gentlemen, tune in tomorrow night, and maybe Alan and I will be back on.
Good night. Thank you for being here.
Good night, Alan.
Good night, folks.