Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
January 17, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Monday and it is the 17th of January in the year 2005 and our guest this evening, ladies and gentlemen, is Alan Watt. He was with us last week Monday and Tuesday and we were in the middle as always of a very interesting – last Wednesday we opened the phone lines for questions and actually he didn’t get a chance to really address one of them and then I had a call from a listener today with a request, so maybe tonight that’s what we’ll be doing.
Our spiritual message, as we do this so often when I’m not prepared otherwise, it’s hanging on the wall in front of me from Psalm 139 versus 23-24. “Search me Father and know my heart. Test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me and lead me in the way everlasting.”
Alan, thanks for being here tonight.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: You’ve been waiting patiently while I got through those thoughts that were flashing through my mind. Do you have anything to comment or add to what I was saying?
Alan: No, but when you were reading that Psalm I had a picture of someone getting searched at the airport. Search me father and then the mind control part to see if you’ve got any nasty thoughts in there.
Jackie: So search me father and you pictured people getting searched at the airport?All right. Do you remember last Wednesday, Janet called in. She was our last caller, I believe, and she had a three-part question and the third part of her question was what is our destination and our mission here in this physical realm for what we should be doing? I think she mentioned something about what would we be sharing with or relating to our loved ones and friends, but I might be interpreting that. Maybe that isn’t exactly how she said it.
Alan: The only thing you can relate to them is knowledge. It’s what they do with their own mission is up to themselves with that knowledge. As far as the mission goes, it’s to ultimately break through all of the barriers and all of the masses of indoctrination we’ve been brought up with to become a complete individual and take that spirit that you have as far as it can possibly go. The whole structure here in the world is meant to create the mass man, the mass mind and to stifle all individuality, ultimately to snuff out the individual spirit, so it’s a battle here between two different ways, you might say, of the way of the mass which is planned for them and the way of the individual. In the New Testament of course the way it was phrased there was that my kingdom is not of this world. Those of the world, they belong to the world and they think earthly things and what he’s referring to there is the mass man and that same statement was written – in fact all of the statements in the New Testament have been said long, long before Jesus Christ and Egypt as well.
Jackie: Would you just repeat that?
Alan: The statements in the New Testament – the main prime statements are eternal truths, which mean that they always were true, they are true and they always will be true.
Jackie: Some of the statements?
Alan: That’s right. The ones that stand out are forever; they’re eternal in other words. There’s no beginning and no end to them.
Jackie: Because truth is?
Alan: Truth is, yes. Yet if you go into New Age psychology, which is the current trend with the new morality, the new maturity and all these phrases we’re hearing coming out of the media, where they’re going with it all is the opposite of that. They’re trying to say the truth is variable at different times.
Jackie: The New Age movement says that?
Alan: No, the New Age psychology. All psychology today is a mixture of the New Age, which is the occult religion basically.
Jackie: Yes, and there’s a lot of truth in there hidden in all the lies, isn’t there Alan?
Alan: Sure there is, but that’s the problem is they’re so good at telling you the parts of the truth which were hidden and then putting their spin on it and bringing you into the way they want you to think.
Jackie: That’s where the discernment comes in.
Alan: That’s the hard part because it’s very easy to trap people with truth when they’ve never been given it before and manipulate them with that truth and so those who’ve always kept the truth to themselves down through the ages dish it out at certain times and then they put the spin on it. Then they give you the mission, which is their mission, which is a world government, a world society, a political correct society where you could go to Beijing, to Britain, to Canada and you’ll get the same opinions expressed on every topic. That’s what they want.
Jackie: Yes and the same British accent or whatever it’s going to be.
Alan: It will be English because that was decided in the 1500’s that the international language of the future would be English. As far as the personal mission goes, the person has to – all they can do is express truth wherever they see it and when they do see whatever the topic happens to be, that the king has no clothes, they have to say so.
Jackie: You know I’ve had our listeners when I have spoken in the past about Jehovah and there have been listeners who have contacted me and said you know I wondered about a lot of these things and now it’s beginning to make sense and what I see is that people really know. There is that knowing, Alan, and they squash it because it’s like oh we’re not supposed to question because this is the word of God. One of the important things I know for me is really paying attention to I guess you just sometimes call it intuition that something is there and if you don’t listen to it, it’s like it isn’t there anymore. I mean now that we’re here, I do wonder a lot why the heck we ever got here in the first place, but that makes sense now that we’re here. Our mission is to find our way home.
Alan: It really is an individual way because you’re either a leader or a follower and again it’s so easy to set up a way for the followers to go and obviously since a person could truly know any kind of truth they must experience it for themselves. They never truly do experience it by following someone else’s experience. You must find it yourself. You can go along certain ways towards it, but it’s up to the person to truly find it for themselves.
Jackie: I was 15 years old when I started reading the Old Testament and at first it was frightening to me, very frightening in that God in there scared the hell out of me, to be honest with you, but I suddenly realized that it wasn’t true. I knew it wasn’t true, Alan. I knew that I didn’t know what was the truth, but I knew that was not, because there in me from as long as I can remember I knew that God is love and we do know the difference.
Alan: There’s no doubt about it, if you took a Jehovah character or figure you have a mafia godfather basically who demands sacrifice and kickbacks and praise and he makes a bunch of rules for you and at the same time he’s allowed to break them.Of course, even in the New Testament, Jehovah is a newcomer in a bunch of different gods. It begins with Elohim, which is the plural for gods, and Jehovah doesn’t appear until later on the scene. I guess he must have knocked off all the competition. However, if you look at even the religion itself of a priesthood keeping knowledge to themselves and being well paid, well funded from the fears of the people and you see even the way it’s based, which is to break a law, you don’t – like a Protestant religion for instance or Catholic religion, you don’t sit and beat your breasts and tear your hair out for doing something wrong. You don’t sit and analyze yourself and wonder why you did it and rebuke yourself. You simply pay money and something else is killed to repay what you’ve done. Vicarious sacrifice they call it, so basically there’s no breast beating. You just pay the money, buy an animal and it gets slaughtered in your place. I mean this is a weird sort of religion here.
Jackie: That was the thing that got me when he said to Abraham, well you don’t have to kill your son. Just go get that ram that’s caught in the bush and my thought was why would God want innocent little animals killed and let alone test to see if you’re going to obey me – you take your son up there and kill him.
Alan: But it’s nothing to do with real people.
Jackie: I know that.
Alan: What you’re seeing is a system and this system is a wise-guy system. It’s a streetwise person system where the elite and the cunning and the true predators are allowed to feed off the innocent. All the sacrifices you notice must be innocent.
Jackie: I hadn’t thought about that, but it’s true, isn’t it?
Alan: It’s a streetwise thing because this system creates an innocent gullible public, or it did in the past at least, in order to feed off of them and that’s what your peasant class did for thousands of years was to be fed on by this small elite. It’s a man-made system. There’s no doubt about it. You have a Jehovah who wasn’t on Prozac then. He had no love in him. I mean if you got in his bad books or he had a bad day he would just kill you and this again is all allegory. It’s telling you a godfather system or a mafia type system, what you can get away with and what you can get away with is what Jacob got away with or the symbolism of Jacob. You can lie and steal and even cheat your father for your brother’s birthright and the godfather will bless you for doing it because you were very clever the way you did it, you see, and it’s a mafia system. It truly is and it’s a complete system. That’s what it’s all about and even the high priests who set up the Catholic Church were well aware of the same system, even though they pretended it was different. It was the same system and of course you see it in all of their archaeology of the church. The church itself has the box and that’s the female womb and they always have a spire, which you walk through at the base, and that’s the male phallic symbol. That’s how most British parliaments across the world, the Commonwealth parliaments, are made the same way. The parliament in England has the congressmen you might say, the MPs inside the box but they enter through the penis because all life for the future begins with the male, the phallic symbol, so they walk through the base of the penis.
Jackie: Of course that’s purely in the material plane.
Alan: That’s right and then in Egypt the obelisk or phallic was called “the Ben-Ben”. You have two B’s. Ben-Ben and of course Shakespeare puts it in his play, “To be, or not to be.” It’s another pun on the same thing and then of course in Parliament in England you have Big Ben. Why would they call it Big Ben? This big spire that you have to walk through and has a clock on it which tells you the time because it’s planning the destiny of the world. That’s what it meant.
Jackie: Oh wow and I remember reading about the big obelisk in front of the Vatican and they moved that from was it Egypt, Alan?
Alan: Constantine’s son moved it initially from Egypt and that was a mammoth task in those days.
Jackie: I know it and anybody that made a mistake was killed on the spot.
Alan: That was later the second time. The first time they got it and they put it up in the circus where they had the games and it was about 300 years ago the Pope had it moved from there in Rome to St. Peter’s Square. Everywhere they’ve gone they’ve set up an obelisk and there’s one in that park in New York there. That was brought from Egypt as well and there’s the obelisk outside the four banks of London and one outside the French Parliament.
Jackie: And a great big one in Washington, D.C.
Alan: Well, that was Washington’s greatest erection and that’s a new one. In other words, that wasn’t brought from Egypt and that symbolizes the birth of the New World Order. That was the only new one they built. The rest of them were imported from Egypt, which is highly symbolic. Washington really was meant to symbolize the New World Order, Novus Ordo Seclorum.
Jackie: Yes. You made a statement back there and I made a little note here and I’d like to go back to it just as a question that I have for clarification when you were talking about the fact that their plan is to eliminate the individual spirit or kill the individual spirit. My concept of spirit of Creator would the eternal, that what the Creator creates is eternal, but would the word soul of the individual, would that–
Alan: That’s closer.
Jackie: Because they say that the mind is the gateway to the soul?
Alan: Yes, the eye.
Jackie: The mind?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: The eyes are the window but the mind is the gateway to the soul and if that is true and it never occurred to me ever until we began our conversation that an individual could “lose his soul,” but I can see that these insane creatures actually and they can trap people in this physical plane.
Alan: There’s no doubt about it. They’ve been at this for a long, long time and in their religion of course they say that the complete person is someone who has body, spirit and soul. That goes all the way back to Babylon and Egypt and of course they say that the ordinary people, the commoners you might say, are born with soul, which is the animating force, but the destiny of the soul is to find it’s own spirit and merge with it. If they can keep the person from doing that then they have succeeded because the soul itself according to their religion and it goes all the way back through the ancient religions, all the way back to India even, the soul only lasts 10 lifetimes and then it goes back into this “soup,” this “sea” they call it.
Jackie: You mean if we haven’t made it in 10 lifetimes?
Alan: If they haven’t merged with spirit, and that was the whole mystery behind the explanation that makes no sense to most people the way it’s told and that’s intentional of the journey of the KA as they call it in Egypt and the BA. What they claim was – and they do it in such beautiful roundabout ways so that the people would see it exoterically, but the initiates knew what they meant. What it meant was once they had died the KA, because they had already obtained spirithood, stayed with the body. The BA went into the underworld, being the journeys and had to go through all these perils and so on to find its own spirit and once it came back in the circle met the KA, then they could go up to this heaven.
Jackie: Or go up to heaven.
Alan: Up to or wherever because they always said you rode with RA in his boat, his ark.
Jackie: Maybe the reason they used the word up is that it’s a higher frequency?
Alan: They also used it to symbolize an otherness, otherness from here, and since they used astronomy big time and astrology and stellar movements, they always said it in astronomical terms. When you achieved your destiny, exoterically, you rode the Ark across the sky. The Ark was a boat and that was the boat of RA and of course once you’d made it you rode in that ark. That was the Ark of the Covenant, as you rode across the sky, you see, and that was for the elite and for the elite only.
Jackie: Because they would keep the truth from the masses.
Alan: Always, yes.
Jackie: That would never be able to make that journey?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Okay. Here’s a thought. You said that it is said that after 10 times if we haven’t made it then it’s dissipated back into the ethers, right?
Alan: That’s what they claimed.
Jackie: Well, I wonder, let’s say that a person is in their eighth lifetime and they begin on that journey, it just doesn’t make sense to me that they might only have two lifetimes to get it all together, but maybe at least that they have begun and maybe the first of course part of it is coming out of the lies, being able to literally let go. I received a donation and there was a card in it and the note said that it’s okay to say I don’t understand the bible, but when I say we’ve been lied to it makes it very difficult to support this broadcast and I really don’t know how to respond to that.
Alan: That’s a choice.
Jackie: Yes, exactly. Well, I don’t mean whether somebody’s going to support the broadcast or not, but that requirement. It’s okay to say I don’t understand. Yes, I know how to respond. I don’t understand the esoteric, I know that. But I do, I can read and I know what is not love. I may not have the full meaning or capacity of love at this point in my journey but I know what isn’t love and I know what I’m leaving and I know that Jehovah of the Old Testament is not love and so I could not say I don’t understand that. I do understand it, Alan. I understand it, at least well for where I’m at right now.
Alan: That’s right. Jehovah again is a mafia figure. There’s no doubt about it. It’s a kickback system we’re talking about here and of course Masonry came from it too in all of its forms, no matter what sect they call themselves, which is again a kick back system. As they say, the workman is worthy of his wages, but what that also means is that the workman who’s helped up the ladder in promotions and so on must also kick money upstairs. This whole system is a kickback system. It’s a degreed kickback system including even the Catholic Church that came out of it. It incorporated all the mystery religions, which really were all one, but they seemed different because they were given to different countries and they just changed the names of the deities and so on. Look at the Pope who’s white, he’s the sun, and you look at the Cardinals who are red and black, so they have spirit. Spirit and the force – the life force is always red. The black is law and so they are law under the guidance of spirit, so it’s a degreed system; even the color-coding goes back all the way to Pythagoras. He was taught this stuff in Egypt.
Jackie: Okay, let’s pick this up on the other side of this break. Alan Watt is our guest and as always, the conversation is very moving. I don’t know what to say. I had a couple of examples I’d like to use because it is maybe confusing to people. We were talking about discernment and the gentleman who wrote and said it’s okay to say I don’t understand but when we say we’ve been lied to, but I’m talking just the Old Testament and here’s one that catches me. This is in Matthew 18 in verse 6. Jesus is talking about the little children and he said, “who ever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it would be better for him that a millstone was hanged around his neck.” Well, to me, I don’t think he said one of these little ones that believe on me, because all children were precious. All children are precious and basically what I see this doing is any little child who doesn’t know about Jesus is doomed. That’s the way that appears to me and for example in the Lord’s Prayer when we’re taught to say “lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil,” I remember that catching in my throat when I used to go to the Lutheran Church because what we are doing is asking our loving Father, please don’t lead me into temptation and I knew that it couldn’t have been said that way. Lead me out of temptation or away but not ask because a loving father – we wouldn’t lead our children into temptation and why would we think that our Creator would ever do that. When you were mentioning the Catholic Church, well all of that BS got brought down into the so-called Protestant churches–
Alan: Sure it did.
Jackie: And in the Lutheran Church this came into my mind the other day. It’s that song we used to sing. “Create in me a clean heart oh God and renew a right spirit within me.” The next line, listen to this. “Cast me not away from your presence and take not your holy spirit from me.” There we are begging again and folks, this is what I’m saying and these are a few things and maybe Alan because he understands a lot deeper than I do the exoteric message in these things, but for the untrained eye these are the things that pop out at you and it doesn’t mean that there isn’t truth but this is what they’ve done. They’ve made us just absolutely – we’re supposed to love our God with all our heart, mind and soul and to love a creature that is so hateful; a father, so to speak, that we have to beg him? It doesn’t make sense, does it, Alan?
Alan: No. As I say, it’s the old unstable deity that’s made in the image of man and it’s the image of the typical Middle Eastern despot of ancient times because that’s how he was. He might give a present to a servant one day and have his head cut off the next. That’s the unstable temperament that kept everybody on their toes and they never knew what mood he would be in the following day. That’s what Jehovah is. If man was made in the shape of a triangle they’d make God the same way. So that’s what they gave you was a Middle Eastern despot who could do whatever he wanted to.
Jackie: Yes and that’s what people will say if they can’t explain it. He can do anything he wants.
Alan: It’s always amazing that they give an Old Testament version to the general public but they don’t give you the rest of it. They don’t give you the accompanying Talmud or the Mishnah and all the other stuff that explains the Old Testament in a more esoteric fashion. The only reason I can come to that they did not give that to the general public is they wanted a dumb, stupid, subservient, obedient, slaving public and that’s what they had for an awful long time. Religion was always used against people to keep them in servitude for a small ruling elite.
Jackie: And to do wars and to enslave others because that was all done under the auspices of Jehovah.
Alan: They play games all the time. There is no media. There’s no news but it’s just news. It’s either indoctrination or mocking the victim as they say and the public are the victims. Now you heard about that nonsense with Prince Harry. It’s been all over the news about, oh dear, my goodness, Prince Harry turned up at a ball and it was a fancy dress ball somewhere in England, private too, and it was supposed to be commonwealth and natives basically and he turned up as a member of the Hitler youth with a Natzi armband and all the rest of it and of course the media goes to town over this. This happens two weeks prior to the Queen going to the National Holocaust Museum in Europe to give a speech and opening up the International Holocaust Day. It’s a bit coincidental but at the same time – so it brings to public awareness of the holocaust industry but at the same time they missed what Prince William was wearing, because Prince William as the papers said was dressed like a leopard, but that’s only part of the story. If you saw him on the TV in the brief flashes that they gave you, he had the feet of a bear, the body of a leopard and the head of a lion – and that’s the description of the beast in Revelations, so why was he wearing that to a fancy dress-do which would do with the dominion and natives? They mock us all the time with their little messages even in this type of thing. There’s nothing on the media that doesn’t have double meanings and a lot of jokes, inside jokes by the elite that rule this world and the public respond to the exoteric the way it’s intended that they respond, through guilt, shame or whatever, and the elite laugh up their sleeves all the time. Nothing is done on the media without having a very esoteric purpose and it always ends up with indoctrination and swaying the public one way or another. It’s all mind control, all of it.
Jackie: I’m back. Were you complete with that?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: I had a call from Gary this evening and he was a little confused. You had mentioned Revelations. We were talking about it last week the fact that if you’re writing it you would be able to write about what they’re plan is.
Alan: You reveal it, revelation.
Jackie: Reveal it. Oh, that’s right. That’s what you said. The Revelation is a revealing but I guess he’s wondering – I’ve got books here on Revelations. I’ve got a three-volume set of books here that’s supposed to interpret what Revelations means. I’ve read probably two dozen or more interpretations of Revelations and every single one of them is different. I don’t understand it but I guess he’s wondering does this lay out the play as it’s playing out today?
Alan: Absolutely. It’s all astronomy. Every creature mentioned in Revelations is a zodiacal sign which appears at a certain time and it’s a time clock of the heavens basically and so they’re following it right to the letter. The beast is in the heavens.
Jackie: Who’s the beast?
Alan: The beast again – I should do a show on the whole thing.
Jackie: You know what? You just took the thought right out of my mind. You know what? You’re coming back tomorrow, aren’t you?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Would you like to start now or would you like to get it and get prepared a little bit?
Alan: I should try and think it out to put it over simply to people because there’s a lot of astronomy involved in it.
Jackie: Okay and we can have our Bibles open and as you’re going through it and explaining your understanding of it we could be reading along there.
Alan: Maybe I could do that next week. I’ll have to put it in very simple terms. I’ll have to go into the signs that we’ll have. It’s all astronomy and even though in ancient times they have changed one or two of the characters in the zodiac. I mean the Egyptians had a crocodile in there at one point and that was the beast of that time. They alter it every so often and Draco was the Northern Constellation of the Northern Star before the earth tilted, which is historical, and Draco was the flying serpent or dragon you might say.
Jackie: No, I don’t know because I am not familiar with Revelations. I know I know some verses from it that are used a lot, but when you do this you’ll start right from the beginning?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: That is cool.
Alan: Every character even in the New Testament including Caiaphas who was the head of the Nasi party, the Sanhedrin, the Sanhedrin that condemned Jesus, he was a Nasi as they called it in Hebrew. He was head of the Nasi party.
Jackie: They called the Sanhedrin the Nasi, didn’t they?
Alan: The head is called the Nasi and actually it’s the new moon. The splinter or the finger, the sliver of the new moon is also called the Nasi in Hebrew.
Jackie: And the Sanhedrin sat that way and also so does the U.N.
Alan: That’s right and the head man was Caiaphas, which means head in a sense, and he’s also an astrological sign, so he’s also in the heavens. If you understand how the zodiac all comes around–
Jackie: Is this from the Kabbalah?
Alan: It’s pre-Kabbalah.
Jackie: Astrology is an ancient, ancient science, isn’t it?
Alan: It goes way back to even pre-Egypt.
Jackie: It’s interesting you brought this up. I was browsing through an astrology book today and it’s a book that I’ve had and I don’t think I’ve ever read it but I was reading the introduction and explanation and this author which I think the book was written around in the ’70’s. He was saying that astrology today is being understood, surely not in the way that you do, but he said that even the U.S. government – he was saying that businesses et cetera have charts done and he said that the U.S. government and Israel use astrology but he said he didn’t have any information as to whether any other governments did or not. I found that very intriguing.
Alan: As I say, they wrote their plan–
Jackie: The U.S. and Israel, the twins you know?
Alan: They wrote their plans and they have long, long range plans in the zodiac and it’s all becoming fulfilled because they knew where they wanted to get to and where they’re coming from. If you look at the constellations and you know what they’re supposed to be, there’s no way you’d figure that out unless you saw it drawn out. These high priests long, long ago sat and said we’ll make this Pegasus and we’ll make this so and so.
Jackie: Now is it true, I may have read this in Zecharia Sitchin’s book and I am clear that he matriculated at the London School of Economics and when I found that out I knew there had to be hooks, but I don’t remember where I read it but the fact that the Pleiades, I think. Is it called the “Seven Sisters” and that from where we are you can actually only see six of them because one is behind the other and that in Sumerian, back that long ago, and you said that was, what, about 12,000 years actually, that they knew that there were seven stars in that star system.
Alan: Actually they knew there were more. You can see seven with the naked eye.
Jackie: You can see seven?
Alan: If your eyes are good and there’s actually more. However, there were nine at one point about 5,000 BC and one of them went supernova, I guess, because it disappeared and that was recorded by the Greeks.
Jackie: Why do they call it the Seven Sisters then?
Alan: Again, it’s another part of their mythology as they hide a truth within a story. All of the main characters end up getting put up in the sky as a god basically, although they began as human kings and that’s what it’s all about. It’s a pun on their system of becoming gods and as they say, as above, so below and they would bring the New Jerusalem to earth. They’re talking about the whole plan which they wrote in the heavens would be applied all across the world on the earth.
Jackie: So when we hear the elite and I know Rockefeller at least on a couple of occasions and I’ve heard this and read it. “Our window of opportunity is now” and they’re using the astrological timeframe, aren’t they?
Alan: Yes they are. These guys literally go by this and they must stick to it and they do stick to it.
Jackie: And they believe in it?
Alan: Yes, because their ancestors wrote it a long time ago.
Jackie: Tell our listeners about 9/11. Would you explain it to us?
Alan: 9/11, I mean even the fact that they give you your emergency number as 911 and just the very fact you end up with it happening on that date and it’s supposed to be all coincidence. Then again I think it was the Chicago Stock Exchange that day finished at 911000 and then I think it was the New York Lottery also came out 911. I mean who’s kidding who here? This is constant mockery.
Jackie: But that date September 11th was very relevant. You told us about that and I think we have time.
Alan: It’s to do again with a mythological character that came from Zeus who created more gods and the female goddess, which became Britannia on the old British coin, who’s a queen of the heavens, she’s also a warrior, burst forth from his head on the Ides of September.
Jackie: Was that Minerva?
Alan: That’s right, the warrior queen like Zena and what it signifies is something which could not have happened by itself. It took supernatural coincidences to bring it all together. It was not a natural phenomenon. In other words, what was going to come out of 9/11 had been planned that way and what was coming out of it was not a normal thing. It was not a normal event. It was a super-planned event. That’s what it’s really telling you.
Jackie: Remember you told us about the rituals that they did.
Alan: They had high, high rituals to do with the ides and the bringing forth and all the rest of it of Minerva, but what really is significant is what Minerva signifies, which is a new way. It’s a new way that could not have come into existence by itself, by nature.
Jackie: So he burst her out of his head.
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: I remember you telling us something about an ancient ritual that they used to do involved around that date and that it was a very important date and it had to do with horses and the colors of the robes or something?
Alan: They definitely portrayed Jupiter riding the horses around the city and whoever portrayed the part of Jupiter was painted red driving his white horses.
Jackie: That would be the blood.
Alan: That’s right and they also have a similar thing in again the Talmud to do with Solomon, which is the sun. Sol-om-on is the sun in three different languages because that’s what it really represents is the illumined man. The illuminati, the illumined man and he also rode his six white steeds around the city.
Jackie: It was this particular event at that particular date in September and I remember doing research on the Internet and I found it and you had mentioned I think it was between the 11th and 13th and that if they hadn’t accomplished what they wanted to with 9/11, something else was going to happen to make sure that what they planned.
You know it’s getting late here. We’ve got about three or four minutes left I guess but I was reading today about and I wanted to share it with our listeners. I couldn’t find the bill but it’s a draft bill and it includes all children 18 to 26. They’re working on that and it’s passed one of the chambers in the U.S. Congress and I’m going to hopefully have it tomorrow night. You know when you and I talk, Alan, it’s like my mind starts exploding and I can’t grab my thoughts or my questions fast enough to hang on to them.
Alan: As I say, that was the Sol-om-on.
Jackie: Oh, I know what it was. I’m sorry. Okay. You know how Kerry during the campaign? Well I don’t know if you know but he said there will be no draft and then of course he added, “unless we’re attacked” and it occurred to me today if they’re having a big uproar and opposition they’ll see to it that we get attacked so they can initiate. I’m sorry to say that but it’s like a given. You get to see the pattern when we begin to understand past history. They just keep repeating it because it works.
Alan: It’s works and the public think they could never do that because it’s so horrific.
Jackie: Probably what was said in the email that I got, probably they’ll go ahead and pass it right around the time of the inauguration while people’s minds are on the inauguration.
Alan: Yes, plus on the news here in Canada I think it was Wolfowitz that came out now pressing for war on Iran and Syria and of course that’s all part of the New American Century plan that they wrote back in the ’90’s, so they’re going to that plan and how fortunate for them 9/11 came along.
Jackie: We’re out of our hour with you and you’ll be back tomorrow night.
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
January 18, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Tuesday the 18th of January in the year 2005. Alan Watt is again with us tonight.
Our spiritual message this evening is from John 18. This is the conversation that Jesus was having with Pontius Pilate and Pontius Pilate asked him if he was a king. Wait, let me back up here. This is what I wanted to get first. Pontius Pilate asked him what he’d done because his chief priest. Those were the Pharisees, folks. Those are the rabbis of today by the way. Those are the priests of Jehovah that delivered thee unto me. Pontius Pilate said, “What have you done?” and Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews but now is my kingdom not from hence” and then Pontius Pilate said, “Well are you a king then?” Jesus said, “You say that I am a king. To this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world that I should bear witness unto the truth. Everyone that is of the truth hears my voice.”
I want to go back if we could to the verse before there where Jesus said, “my kingdom is not of this world and if my kingdom were of this world then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews but now is my kingdom not from hence.” I can’t imagine Jesus referring to any of his followers or disciples as servants and that they should fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews. I don’t think the word Jew existed back in those days, did it?
Alan: No.
Jackie: At that time?
Alan: No.
Jackie: Then he says “but now is my kingdom not from hence” and one of the things that people who are very much believing in oh there is going to be a second coming and that when Jesus gets here his throne will be in Jerusalem and there will be a thousand years of peace. The way they justify this one or understand, I should say, is he said “now is my kingdom not from hence.” In other words, it will be later. Would you comment on that?
Alan: Again it’s —
Jackie: Putting words in his mouth?
Alan: Sort of, but it’s also tacking on the age. Every age is given a god figure and of course that was the beginning of the Age of Pisces and that’s why in the New Testament when he’s going to ride into glory on a donkey he tells them to go and find a young colt tied and his master will be carrying a picture of water, which is Aquarius. That’s why that’s written like that, so his time of glory would last from then until Aquarius.
Jackie: Until the Age of Aquarius?
Alan: Yes. The priesthoods have always used somebody or as a martyr figure but always used the story for every age in a disguised form. Of course in Egypt you had Osiris and Isis the mother and Horus the son and eventually they had the Greeks made into Adonis, which is the same thing as Horus, and then that became Adonai of the Jews. They call god generally Adonai.
Jackie: This deal about my servants, if my kingdom was of this world then my servants would fight. That sounds like a made-up thing.
Alan: Yes it is. I think you’d find that rulers again who created the Christian movement long after that period had to put in their own spin on things obviously, but there in that particular instance Jesus is symbolizing pure spirit and of course a battle in the physical realm again is the physical realm. It’s the two worlds. The one of matter and the one of spirit and he is showing the way to fulfill the spiritual quest in other words. That’s what the whole story is about. It’s a spiritual quest and the world in other words would always be base because it always was base and it’s still base under all the polish and so on, it’s still a very base planet. Therefore the spiritual quest has succumbed you might say to the quest in the world of matter for the ownership of more matter and that’s the way it’s always been here.
Jackie: Cycle after cycle after cycle.
Alan: The first fall of man was into matter. That’s what they said in ancient times.
Jackie: That makes sense to me and I truly wonder, truly wonder as spiritual beings why we ever came here in the first place unless it was to experiment. Now I don’t know if this is so, but I have read and it makes sense, but there are spiritual being that never actually take physical flesh.
Alan: Again, the only you can prove something–
Jackie: I know, seeing it or be there.
Alan: Until you have the proof and the proof can never be because someone said so. That’s how they create their religions that end up lording over us you might say.
Jackie: Let me ask you this. I know that there are a lot of charlatans. Do you believe that it is possible for people to channel disincarned entities?
Alan: Oh yes, I believe that, but I don’t say these entities are generally what they claim that they are.
Jackie: Or maybe have anymore. I don’t know. For example the Seth material is very – have you ever read that Alan?
Alan: What’s it called?
Jackie: The Seth material.
Alan: I don’t think so.
Jackie: The information that – well, never mind. We won’t go into it. I’ve read a lot of books and you’ve said this yourself. If you read enough books from different sources and there is a thread that there’s probably truth to it and maybe the possibility is that there are disincarned entities that mean no harm and that are bringing some information to help mankind. Why couldn’t that be a possibility?
Alan: Generally you’ll find it’s the same messages though, and of course in the ’60’s there was a whole myriad of groups came out of the human potential movement. It was pushed by the Rockefellers and all the big boys.
Jackie: Were they doing some harmful work?
Alan: What it was to do was to actually get people into this whole thing of channeling basically.
Jackie: I would think that would be very, very dangerous.
Alan: Oh yes. I mean if you’re bringing something into you and you’re taking its word that it is what it says it is and you’re opening up a doorway which it then can then come in any time it wishes to. I’ve no doubt on that because that’s something I don’t believe, It’s something I’ve experienced in other people which I couldn’t deny. There is no scientific explanation but I’ve seen people you might say “possessed.”
Jackie: That you could actually see that it wasn’t them when they were talking?
Alan: Yes. I couldn’t contradict it, couldn’t deny it and there’s no scientific explanation for it. When you study Masonry and all of the groups including the higher Wiccanism, all the groups that are running the show today basically in religion, they’re all into channeling entities and the higher Masons do this. They channel entities.
Jackie: We talked about this on the air, didn’t we, about the high Masons who actually receive an entity to share their physical body.
Alan: In the very high degrees they do.
Jackie: I’ll bet there are some that don’t have to be in high degrees of Masonry.
Alan: You’ll see it in some of the lower people too and you’ll find that people who are not as well in Masonry, but Masonry in its higher levels actually encourages it.
Jackie: You had told us and I think you touched on it one night but it’s been quite a while ago and maybe you could address this again that we’re kind of on this track. The pyramid that they have set up where they’re doing – do you know what I’m talking about?
Alan: The triangle.
Jackie: The triangle, thank you. Talk about that again, would you? Explain it again.
Alan: One of the biggest groups that led this movement, the Masonic group again promoted by the Rockefeller Foundation heavily, was theosophy and they set up triangles, large ones and smaller ones within where they will meet in certain lodges on different parts of the map and form these triangles and literally meditate their will upon all the inhabitants contained therein.
Jackie: I think it’s important hopefully for our listeners, folks, think about this what Alan is telling us and realize that these people at the top have the secrets of the ages you might say and they’re very well aware of the power that resides. It isn’t just they who have this power. It is each and every one of us if we access it and so not seeming so far out of bounds because Jesus said it in many ways, Alan. He said it in many ways. Number One: “The kingdom of God is within you. Ye are the light of the world” and so therefore it brings back to mind the importance for us to the way we be. You said this several years ago that it’s up to each and every individual because everything we do, everything we say, everything we think is impacting not just this physical realm but every dimension.
Alan: That’s right. The higher Masons when they’re talking about changes in society, major changes, they’ll call it “The Spirit of the Age” and “The Spirit of the Age” is basically the form that this sort of mental psychic form they create, also through propaganda and TV and media and so on, to promote these things. In other words, they give you the ‘in thing’ to do, the trendy the way to be for this particular period, The Spirit of the Age, and they claim that they force their will to do so. I’ve actually got a tape where Rockefeller talks about this. All of the parts of the changes of society and the directions that we’re going into are all calculated prior to the public ever hearing of them or seeing them implemented and they’re willed into existence basically.
Jackie: Yes, of course they have a little help don’t they, Alan, with all their technology – all their control of education, entertainment, the media, governments, the monetary economic system. They’ve got a little bit of – well, but it’s all on the material level.
Alan: That’s right and think tanks. Lots of think tanks.
Jackie: Their think tanks yes and the one thing I do know is that there is no power in this world greater than the power of Creator, so it doesn’t mean that they’re going to be successful. It appears right now that they’re on the road to success.
Alan: They get to the brink of dominance, but there’s a truth here within even the ancient mysteries that contained all of this information long, long ago that the world is in a balance. It’s like the balance of nature. Things have to be in balance and when evil tips the scales so much then something has to give. It cannot simply be successful and stay that way. Eventually the good has to overtake it and destroy it and it’s something of course that man or base man you might say never learns. The people you’re taught to respect in high positions are corrupt people. These are the only people who climb and claw their way up to the high positions because they have a lust for power which ordinary people cannot fathom. They cannot understand it and so it’s presented to the public that they are just there as good public servants et cetera, but there’s not one case on TV in the line of politics that didn’t crave that position and they’d do anything and say anything to get there. That’s the problem. In every age you’re top-heavy with dynasties you might say, ruling dynasties and oligarchies and families, very wealthy, who crave total power and it literally goes to their heads and they bring chaos upon the world in the process.
Jackie: A question here or a thought. You mentioned last night that the ancient mysteries or truths that we get 10 times around here and if we aren’t in our spiritual consciousness by then, then the energy that is in our maybe personality, soul that it just dissipates back into the ethers.
Alan: That’s a belief that the Hindus have and that’s very, very old because so much of all religions come from – there’s no doubt there’s a connection with India.
Jackie: What about these creatures? They don’t understand that the laws of creation are immutable. That as we sow, so shall we reap. They don’t understand this?
Alan: They understand this very well. It’s their arrogance. You see, they’re so arrogant and sure of themselves and the more they get away with, the more sure of themselves they are and it’s their nature. It’s in their nature. It’s like the old story of crossing the water on the back of scorpion and it promises not to sting you and you’re halfway across and it stings you. When you ask why did it do it, it says, it’s my nature; and that’s the nature of these creatures. They really believe that through science and planning and cunningness they can actually avoid it this time around. It’s in their nature, you see. It’s no different from someone who’s a real hardened drug addict. These people are addicted to power as you cannot imagine. They have a lust for it, a craving for it. They think about it night and day. It consumes their entire life.
Jackie: How do you know that?
Alan: Simply by studying them, when you really study them.
Jackie: You get a sense or a feel?
Alan: Down through the centuries you’ll see them. It’s the same pattern over and over and over and these people cannot let go of power. That’s why they never retire. They don’t say, well, I’m 65, I’ve got millions of dollars, I’ll put my feet up and enjoy myself.
Jackie: Because they are enjoying themselves.
Alan: That’s right. They have to be in the limelight. They have to mix with their own kind. They want to have the ordinary people kowtowing to them and they have this lust. See, it’s an insatiable lust. You can’t say I’ll give you a shot of 100 milligrams of cocaine and that will do you, you see. It’s an insatiable lust for power that cannot be satisfied and hence they go the whole way.
Jackie: The fame and fortune that come with it. Like you said being out in the limelight.
Alan: That’s why they cannot retire. You’ll see them all in their 80’s even still going around the world giving speeches and so on, heavily involved. They don’t retire because they’re addicted to power and there’s no amount of power that would ever satisfy them. That’s the problem because they’re addicts.
Jackie: Remember that quote a long time ago that you made that Toynbee said that basically it had something to do with the power behind those people that believe they’re in power and to refresh you in case. We were talking about the fact that the ruling force, unseen hand, whatever we would call it, is very clear about the power within all of us, but these creatures that are doing the work here, the ones that you said that are really behind it, we’ve never even heard their names. They believe that they’re God and they believe that they will reincarnate right back into the same families but we won’t. Do you recall that statement from Toynbee?
Alan: When he was talking about the power within?
Jackie: Yes.
Alan: Arnold Toynbee was a professor at Oxford University and he taught the Rhodes Scholars. He taught the Bill Clinton types you see for world dominion. That’s what the Rhodes Scholarship was set up to do.
Jackie: Where did you say he was a professor?
Alan: Oxford University. Oxford on Isis they call it. It’s always been called that.
Jackie: Oxford on Isis.
Alan: Yes. Where the river runs through there they call it the Isis and that goes back to the 11th century. These guys have been at this for a long time. Anyway, he was giving a speech to world internationalists and communists and so on and I think the speech was in Denmark and 1932 and he said, “when an original thought is created it’s immediately transmitted across the globe and certain people will receive it at the same time it’s released.” He said, “we know how to use this power,” but he was also aware that the masses were ignorant of the fact that they could also do it and so basically what he was saying was that he and his kind, his ruling elite as he believed, and he belonged to aristocracy, very old aristocracy. He believed that they literally willed their plan into existence and those who would help them would pick up their thoughts and work it out, and that’s basically what they do.
Jackie: But the same goes for us.
Alan: Yes, but the public are not supposed to know that, you see. We’re supposed to believe that there’s nothing except science and that’s why they had to eradicate all the old religions, which, mind you, they also gave you as well. They’re defunct now. They’ve done their job. Now you must believe in nothing but science and the state. The state becomes god and as long as you believe that, you’re imprisoned forever. That’s the idea. They don’t want the public to know that this is your individual journey as a spiritual being and no one else can take that from you or show you where you must go. However, the second fall of man, according to these same people, the first fall is the fall into matter and they wish to fulfill their plan by the second fall, which is to encase man forever in the world of matter.
Jackie: You know we’ve talked about this. Actually, I remember when it was. Right around the time of 9/11 we were having a lot of conversations and in the conversation that we were having was one that occurred to me that when we leave this physical realm, when we come back we bring back with us what it is we left with and if they can shorten a life – in other words, if we’ve begun on the path on the journey, let’s say to spiritual consciousness, there is a remembrance. I’m just clear on that because of certain things that I knew as a little child, I knew, there were just things I knew and so therefore if they can keep people totally in the lie and maintain what they have created as a perceived separation between us and Creator, well then when we come back it’s the same old thing. It’s almost like a computer. You put junk in and you get junk out.
Alan: That’s what the pharaohs said. The pharaohs claimed they perfected the slave population so they’d always come back as perfect slaves.
Jackie: So it’s really so critical that we get out of the lie.
Alan: It’s not so easy because pretty well everything is nothing but lies – ancient history, recent history is still being changed by the year with every book that comes out. I just watched a documentary done by the CBC on the now official version of how the Free Trade Agreement came to conclusion, and I’ve never seen so much fantasy in my life. They never went into the fact that the Free Trade Agreement goes back to the 1500’s, that wasn’t mentioned at all, because when John Dee went to Queen Elizabeth I and talked about a British or “Brytish” Empire with free trade between countries that would join this commonwealth – and the free exchange of labor, because the elite knew they’d have to move the laboring classes into new countries to do manufacturing, clearing all the lands and all this kind of stuff. That was in the 1500’s, so the free flow of labor and goods would have to be part of free trade.
Jackie: We’re going to be taking a break now. I’m here, Alan.
Alan: Getting back to this CBC documentary on the Free Trade Agreement, it was presented as though it was the greatest thing that Canadians wanted and how we’d all so benefited from it financially. Of course, the way it came about, it just sort of happened to be the right time for it to come into play and forces sort of pushed it into play, natural forces, and it just sort of happened that way. However, in reality it’s utter rubbish, there was so much scheming that went into the Free Trade Negotiations, it was planned with the creation of the British empire in the 1500’s, including, as I say, the free movement of the laboring classes between continents as they had to do to clear the lands and so on. They’re constantly changing history and presenting it to the public, who don’t seem to notice, even though they lived through the changes, they don’t seem to remember it as it really was, even if it was only a few years ago. The children that go to school haven’t a clue, all they’re told is the official version and they believe it, so history is always being altered.
Jackie: I’ve got this book and I’ve referenced it before, it’s Harper Collins Atlas of World History, and on page 70 it’s the Jewish Diaspora from AD 70 to 1497. “For over 2000 years the history of the Jews has been an external dispersion and internal cohesion. The political, military and religious reverses in Judea only affected to a small extent the status of Jews in the Roman Empire and the even larger number of Jews living in Babylonia. The resilience of Judaism after the setback in AD 70 may be explained in part by the evolution of the Jewish religion following the destruction of the first temple, when a system based on a temple and sacrifices was complimented by one based on the synagogue and prayer. The new religious forms gave influence to the interpreters of Biblical law. The philosophy underlying such interpretation varied. One group of interpreters, the Pharisees, became particularly influential some time after the middle of the second century BC and after AD 70 they evolved into rabbis, a second important factor was the codification of Jewish law, both civil and religious, carried out in Palestine around AD 200 by Rabbi Judah…” “…The Muslim conquest in Spain in 711 AD brought respite which culminated in golden age of Spanish Jewry…” “…from about the fifth century this changed and Jews became identified with international and regional trade. Internal and external factors including the widespread dispersal of Jews, both in Islamic lands and throughout Christian Europe, Jewish group solidarity, facility linguistics communication, and uniform system of commercial law based on the Talmud accounted for this change…” “…Carolingian rulers aware of the role of Jews’ role in international trade granted them special charters assuring them of protection, commercial privileges, and the right to govern themselves according to their own laws…”
Alan: They still have their own places where they settle disputes.
Jackie: You said that was around 1500; this is AD 70 – 1497, bringing us right into that era.
Alan: John Dee was a Kabbalist, as was Francis Bacon. They both studied the Kabbalah. We’re talking about a mystery religion that comes out of Babylon, and it preexisted Babylon, it comes down through the centuries like a phoenix bird, it changes its form every four to five-hundred years, hides behind different forms, but really it’s a small elite behind most of the “feathers”, you might say. “Phoenicians” is a play on the “phoenix”; one of their capitals in the Middle Ages was Venice—substitute ‘F’ (Ph) for a ‘V’ and you have Venice. If you take Venus the planet and chart its course through the heavens over a year, it makes the so-called Star of David. This Star of David was never David’s star; you find it all the way back through Babylon and all the way to India.
Jackie: How do the Jesuits figure into all of this? Because when you mentioned Venice, I read quite a long thing about their control of trade and commerce in Venice.
Alan: The Jesuits, they have their P.R. thing they started up to fight this new thing created by one of their members, Martin Luther, Protestant sect.
Jackie: Was he a Jesuit?
Alan: He was definitely a Rosicrucian; in fact, that’s on his coat of arms, his family crest, the rose and cross. Of course the Catholic Church at that time was burning everybody it didn’t like and all it did with Martin Luther was call him in for a few questions and let him go. Why did they let him go? It was because it was the right time to create an opposition for the upcoming industrial age in creating the Protestant sect with the “Protestant work ethic,” that was important.
Ignatius Loyola was a member of the Alumbrados, the Spanish Illuminati sect of his day, and he was captured by the Pope’s army who he’d fought against. They had him in prison and then he was granted an audience with the Pope; after the audience he walked out as the first head of Jesuit order. He was a very powerful man, obviously, the Pope (being a secret society at the top) understood exactly where this man had come from and granted him this power. Why would a Pope grant a man who was a known member of the Alumbrado, Illuminati sect that came from the Knights Templars, why would he give him the headship of a brand new powerful order?
Jackie: Some people say it’s the Illuminati behind all this; and yet, the Illuminati is part of it, yes?
Alan: It’s part of it. You must create opposites, always, all the time, and you must always have conflict on the go to create the changes they want and to reap the financial rewards. Wars are terribly lucrative to those who lend the money and carry the shipments and so on. The Jesuits planned to take down many countries which had become Protestant, and you had thirty-year wars going on and fifty-year wars in Europe over this Protestant-Catholic thing. Very lucrative to certain people and it’s all arranged that way. The mystery religion is contained in every religion, including Buddhism.
Jackie: Somebody had written up a paper and was quoting statements allegedly made by the Buddha (Prince Siddhartha was it?) and also Jesus, all of the masters, “teachers” if you would, that have come in to this world to “bear witness unto the truth,” they had the same message. It occurred to me that whatever Buddhism is today, it wouldn’t be about the teachings, the real teachings, the same way that Christianity – they leave a little bit in, but all of the religions, it doesn’t matter which one it is, they’ve all been man-made.
Alan: Mystery Babylon was the mystery because it was so hard to exactly say what it was, because it contained all of the religions of its time, it updated all of the religions of its time, and it altered all of the religions of its time. It was also a commercial system incorporated within it, with an ordered bureaucratic system to run the whole show. Mystery Babylon was and is today; it’s still the same thing today. However, when the Buddha died, the sects who got together, and by that time there were many different sects that had minor differences.
Jackie: Just like the followers of Jesus.
Alan: Just like Constantine’s big setup about 300 years after he died, they got together and created the official version and codified it and put the laws down and the rules and all the rest of it.
Jackie: For our listeners, that would have been the first Council of Nicea in, what was it, 325 AD? I do have a small book on this a man wrote in 1916 and he quoted from the ancient historians back at that time. In fact, I read lots of the book to our listeners, it’s a little book, I found it in a small little bookstore down in Philly. Basically, I know that many people, those who have believed, that the “Bible” or “Holy Bible” is the divinely inspired word of God; and if enough people could read that book, when you read the speech that was allegedly given by Constantine there, he was dialoging those bishops to consensus. That’s exactly what he did and they voted, like you said, they came up with what the dogma and doctrine was going to be; and anybody that didn’t go along with it was anathematized. In fact, it did mention Arius their bishop and basically what I could understand what he was teaching was what Jesus taught – he was the son of God, so he was created – this is what got him anathematized, and that we are all the sons of God, so they ejected him from the church and anathematized him. That means that he was worthy of being killed and he was of course no longer a bishop and his information was evidently so critically important that Constantine declared, decreed anybody caught with any of Arius’ writings would be put to death. Arius was put to death when he was brought back.
Alan: He was put to death in “love,” you see.
Jackie: Put to death in love, yeah, right. When they brought him back and they were going to reinstate him—
Alan: They poisoned him.
Jackie: Will Durant in his “History of Civilization” about Caesar and Jesus, he described his death in public – and the man not only evacuated his bowels, but his internal organs, his spleen, his liver, right in public. This is length that they go to keep truth from the people. I hope that our listeners who are listening to this, that the last thing in the world that I want to do, and I know that is so for you, is to discourage people – but that it could be encouraging to be released from the kind that has been promulgated, fear of God. It’s literally fear of God and anybody would fear that god Jehovah. I remember once, a long time ago, one of our listeners called in and he said: if we don’t have this to hold on to, what do we have? I said: the truth. The truth, that’s what we have to hold on to. I know that it’s hurtful sometimes, but if we really think it out and we should be grateful and giving thanks that we are beginning to discover the truth.
Alan: Yes, because with it comes a tremendous release when you understand and you accept the fact that everything has been covered with so many lies for political reasons and for control purposes. That’s why organized religions are called organized religions; they’re authorized.
Jackie: They are organized.
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
February 22, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. You didn’t hear me when I first came on because I didn’t have one of my on buttons pushed. Today is Tuesday the 22nd of February in the year 2005. I’m glad you’ve joined us this evening. I tried to get a hold of Alan Watt. Alan and I talked and I told him yesterday that if I wasn’t able to finish what I wanted to do last night that I would finish today and I would get in touch with him. I was thinking all day that he was coming on with us and then I realized about 40 minutes ago that oh, my, I need to call him and his line has been busy and I cannot reach him. So I’m going to take the calls tonight if you would like to call in folks.
Let me share with you our spiritual message. This is the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi.
“Father, make me an instrument of your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; Where there is injury, let me so pardon; Where there is doubt, faith; Where there is despair let me so hope; Where there is darkness, let me sow light; And where there is sadness, joy. Dear Father, Grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; To be understood as to understand; To be loved as to love; For it is in giving that we receive; It is in pardoning that we are pardoned; And it is in dying that we are born into eternal life.”
There is no death. There is no death. That wasn’t part of the prayer, of course, that’s my comment, folks.
Jackie: Hello, Alan. All right, folks, we’re back on here and I hope that we didn’t lose anybody. I think that was pretty fast work switching phone lines around et cetera. Alan Watt is with us. Alan, I apologize for not calling you earlier today. I was thinking all day long that we had already set it up. You were coming on tonight and I got company this afternoon and some more company tonight and it occurred to me at about 20 after 8 then your dog-gone line was busy, so thanks for calling in.
Alan: It’s no problem. I got a barrage of calls.
Jackie: You got a barrage of callers. Well all right, thanks. What are we going to talk about? You were telling me about meetings that you had seen – was it a CFR meeting, Alan? You were telling me about it recently.
Alan: They called it the Trilateral Meeting. It was held in Montreal last week and it was sponsored by the CFR, the New York branch. They paid for that I guess and it was about the integration of the America, Canada and the states.
Jackie: Would you mind sharing that with our listeners? Now where did you see this, Alan?
Alan: It was on the regular news.
Jackie: In Canada? Now they’re talking about Canada too when they’re talking about the Americas.
Alan: Oh yes. It’s been on the table for a long time and it’s been denied of course for a long time as well. They give you both messages simultaneously down through the years. Yes, we’re talking about joining. No, we’re not talking about joining and then eventually of course they become more open with it and since the Free Trade negotiations in reality that’s when it was first discussed that Canada, the U.S., Mexico and then others, especially Chile, would unite to form a form of the United States of Americas to compete with Europe. At this meeting last week they talked about the desired currency of this merger and a new currency to speed it along too and a single government.
Jackie: A single government. I wonder what they’ll call the American dollar? The Amero dollar or the Amero?
Alan: In fact I think in read in the papers a while ago that they had tossed different names around for a common currency. I can’t remember what it was.
Jackie: I have a book here from this place down in Quakertown, Pennsylvania, and it’s an illuminati – Kleimer is the name of the founder of this place I think and this was called the 34th Convocation. This was a message from this Sweinberg-Kleimer and it was a long time ago back in the ’20’s or ’30’s and the saying that the capstone on the pyramid – and on their property, by the way, is a smaller version of the big pyramid without the capstone. He said that the reason that the capstone has not been put on yet is that it won’t happen until America is once again joined with Mexico. That’s how he put it and it’s been in the plan. He said something about Egypt, but it’s been in the plan for all these millennia and so that when they have it all – and he hoped that would happen without bloodshed.
Alan: I know that during the Free Trade negotiations the top Canadian bureaucrat or civil servant was called Shelley Ann Clark and she typed up all of the negotiation books for the main negotiations and afterwards she came out publicly and tried to tell the people of Canada that, look, it’s a sellout, we’re merging with them around the year 2005. That was the initial date they planned on, so who knows. They certainly still want it, now they’re public about it. I think what they were doing too is testing the reaction of the people by announcing that they had a meeting to see what would happen.
Jackie: I doubt we’ll see anything like that in the near future here in the states.
Alan: I think with this Middle Eastern fracas they’ll have to keep the taxpayers in the states quite happy until that’s completed and maybe then they’ll pull the plug and then use that for an economic disaster as a reason for merging. However, I think they want it to join by 2005, 2006, but I cannot see it in the immediate future, unless they do collapse the economy very quickly.
Jackie: We know they can do that anytime they want.
Alan: Yes they can.
Jackie: I remember back in probably ’93 when I was very new to this and you read these financial forecasts. Alan, I was convinced that by October of ’93 it was all going to be all over.
Alan: Well, it doesn’t take much and I know that Shelley Ann Clark when she tried to get the word out to the Canadian people, she said that that would be the reason that would be given at the time would be we’re in trouble financially, so is the U.S., and it’s too cumbersome to have so many governments with its separate bureaucracies trying to compete with a United Europe and the Pacific Rim conglomeration.
Jackie: It occurs to me that that’s going to fall perfectly in their plan of Trilateral Commission. Like in George Orwell’s “1984,” they had their three large regions would you call them?
Alan: That’s right. They had East Asia and West Asia and Oceania. Karl Marx wrote about this in the 1840’s.
Jackie: And the wars, when we go back to George Orwell’s “1984,” how two of them would be against one and then suddenly they were the allies of their enemies and they acted like and the people accepted it like, oh, okay, so it’s been this way and this exactly what’s happening today. We had a caller just before you called in and we were talking about France and how America has been really biting France and of course now we’re hearing that Russia had supplied Iran with nuclear warheads. They’re pulling it off already and getting people to believe that oh well Germany is no longer our ally. France is no longer our ally.
Alan: Just on tonight’s news they have tentatively announced that Canada is joining the U.S. with this new anti-missile defense system that they’re going to set up in the north of Canada.
Jackie: Another merger?
Alan: Supposedly in case of Russia, I guess. Who’s left? The Eskimos? Who’s going to attack you? Once again, they’re setting up Russia as possibly the bad guy, but really this goes back for thousands of years, the necessity of government that really is an elite with a bureaucracy running over the people under the pretense of protecting them from those guys over there – when those guys over there are often their own kin who are running those countries. That was the farce of the European wars for centuries, was that the British king would send these guys off to fight the French king and when they weren’t fighting the French king, who was a cousin of his, he was off fighting the King of Holland who was also his cousin.
Jackie: Of course the kings never fought.
Alan: No, but they all borrowed heavily from the bankers to support these wars and then they tax the people to pay it all back, so they lived very comfortably on war.
Jackie: This is for our listeners who may not be aware of this or who have not heard it when I mentioned it. I have read this in three different books or publications or speeches, that when they were planning World War I more overtly, because I know that in 1906, Norman Dodd had mentioned reading about it in the archives of the – what was it? The Carnegie Foundation and they had a question that they asked: “Is there any way better than war or other than war or is there a way to make a change in a nation or culture that it can never change back again?” They formed the commission and they came up with the answer and they said “no, war is the way to make the change” and they started planning World War I and even the fact that it would take place or be started in the Balkans. Then they decided that they would wait until the U.S. Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act so that the American people could pay for it and in 1913 the Federal Reserve Act was passed and in 1914 World War I was begun. If anybody doubts what you’re saying or how long this plan and how well planned it is, we only need to find these little bits and pieces for the conformation, Alan.
Alan: I know that after they fought Napoleon they had a big meeting with the elite of Europe and the Vatican and they basically divvied up tracts of land to each other and discussed the future wars, where they would be, who would benefit and who the winners would be, et cetera, and they planned the future even back then.
Jackie: When was this?
Alan: That was in the late 1800’s, The Concert of Europe and another one before it, the Council of Vienna. They actually divvied up the land between the conquerors to pay off all the loans et cetera and the interest rates that would be paid by each nation and even the possibility of new wars and a United Europe. It’s never ending. It’s never ending and I think one of the best books to read on that is the “Autobiography of Bertrand Russell” because he worked for the British Intelligence Service. He was also a British Lord and he his job was to set up a protest movement against nuclear war, and again with the Hegelian Dialectic–
Jackie: Set up a protest.
Alan: Yes. He formed what was the Committee of 100 and they got 100 leaders of large anti-nuclear weapon protest groups, but they were the active branch. They were the ones who’d go in and knock down the fences around American airports and storm over the airports et cetera. He said by using this technique of the dialectic (he’s talking about the Hegelian method of opposites), he said we can create global governments. When the people are terrified enough they will ask for global governments.
Jackie: I’ve got a quote here by him. He was a UNESCO adviser and of course UNESCO is labeled, if you would, “The Global School Board.” He said, “It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the state with money and equipment. When the technique has been perfected every government that has been in control of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.”
Alan: That’s right. That was in the “Impact of Science on Society.” He went right through it and he quoted Euclid and some of the ancient Greek philosophers because they did experimentation on mind control back in ancient Greece.
Jackie: Okay, look, we have to take our 60-second break. We’ll talk about that when we get back. Alan, are you there?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: I had to go out and find the shortwave radio for Steve so he could listen. You had said that in Greece they were practicing mind control and now give us a timeline here.
Alan: 2,400 years ago. One of the big philosophers there at the time, because they all had their little schools, their followings of students, and he tried with very young children.
Jackie: Now who are we talking about?
Alan: Euclid or one of Euclid’s students. He did say that he taught them that the color of snow was black, and things along that line, and so that when they grew a few years from then they let them out to meet other children and they would say the snow was black. Of course when other children from outside heard that they’d laugh and mock them and these young students didn’t know what was wrong with them because they’d been taught logically that that’s what you call the color of snow. Bertrand Russell used that as an example in his book “The Impact of Science on Society.“
Jackie: Is religion a science?
Alan: Oh yes, absolutely. Everything was tried through religion. Russell said that if you can get a child, preferably under the age of two, which would mean bringing in kindergarten specially sponsored by the state, which we have now in Canada, he said any input from the parents value system–
Jackie: In Canada is it a free babysitting thing for parents?
Alan: They just passed a law about a month ago to extend it across the whole of Canada, so I don’t know how far it’s going.
Jackie: In other words, working parents would find that a wonderful opportunity for their children and for them because if it is a public government funded project then they wouldn’t have to paying babysitters or daycare centers, so that I would imagine that those people who are financially depressed or oppressed, whatever we would call it, would jump at the opportunity.
Alan: Actually the parents themselves, who are around 25 years of age or so, are one step beyond their parents towards accepting this as normal because many of them went to kindergarten and so on.
Jackie: And preschool?
Alan: Yes, that’s right, preschool.
Jackie: I can remember when the U.S. Congress was having hearings on Goals 2000. One of the big things, I kept hearing it over and over and over again, that all children will enter school ready to learn.
Alan: Yes, that’s right. In fact, when they go to kindergarten they start them off right there. Most kindergarten schools have symbols of the images of the world, “we are a global village,” you’ll see that slogan everywhere, “we are one family,” and so they’re being prepared already for that. This has been an ongoing intergenerational change towards this agenda or the progression of this agenda for a long time but speeding up in the last 100 years.
Jackie: What occurred to me when you were talking about this and I was thinking about the people who are financially strapped jumping at it, they time everything at the perfect time for them, don’t they?
Alan: Yes. When you look at the school buses that go around even rural areas and they stop door to door for the children, you see, so no child is left behind as they say. They make sure that everyone gets the same indoctrination and just like in ancient Greece, if they’re taught that snow is black they’ll all say the same thing and they’ll think well we must be normal because we all agree.
Jackie: Well, you know the thing is when you think about it, we’re a global village, we are all one and all that, on a spiritual level we are one and I think that plays to people who don’t realize the insidious outcome of what they plan for everybody. It pulls their heartstrings, Alan.
Alan: I know but I can understand that sometimes it’s best not to tell everybody everything that’s happening because it’s so bad most people couldn’t handle it and that’s the truth. We’re living in a fantasia that we call normal and it’s really masterful mind control and our parents have been under it too and this has been going on for a long time, this whole technique of mind control. Very few people question the system that they live in as they go through it. They see things that aren’t quite right so they think, “I’ll vote somebody else in and things will change for the better,” but in reality this is an agenda and the best of it is you don’t have to go into conspiracy books to find it. It’s in old history books prior to 1900, regular old history books.
Jackie: You mean people in history books that students were getting?
Alan: Yes, because prior to 1900, most people who could read and write were part of the wealthier class so they were writing for themselves to themselves and they wouldn’t upset the apple cart themselves since they were being rewarded by it. They could quite more openly discuss things and there were more outlets for individual publishers who didn’t at that time really need a license in some countries.
Jackie: Do you think that within these families every now and then there’s a black sheep? The reason I’m asking I remember quite a few years ago reading about a Rothschild that was found hung in a hotel room or something.
Alan: Yes he was.
Jackie: It makes you wonder if maybe he was slipping out of the grips of the family. I don’t even remember where I read this. I don’t know if there’s any truth in it at all, but that some son of a Rockefeller family somewhere was in Africa and wound up dead.
Alan: That was Israel.
Jackie: Was it Israel?
Alan: Yes. He’d been in a whorehouse and he died. He was high on cocaine and other drugs. He had a heart attack so the Mossad pulled him out into the street and put him in a car to avoid the scandal of where he died. Eventually it blew out into the press what had happened.
Jackie: Okay. The way I read it was that he was on some junket or something over in Africa.
Alan: He was on a junket all right, a different type.
Jackie: Do you think that ever though that somehow they slip out of the grasp of their indoctrination, their mind control?
Alan: I don’t think so much they slip out as slip up with arrogance or maybe too many drugs and they get loose-lipped and boastful, or they could have a weakness. I think the one that was found hung in the bathroom, the Rothschild, was homosexual–
Jackie: Well I thought they all were.
Alan: He had a lover–
Jackie: Blatant in other words.
Alan: Yes, but not so much the fact that he had one. I think he was starting to disclose things he shouldn’t tell him, so secrecy is very important and they’re monitored as well in case they ever do slip up, or they can find out what has been said and they can try and remedy it before it hits the papers. They are monitored.
Jackie: The situation over there in England like with Princess Di and that, what do you think was behind all that?
Alan: Everyone knows the only reason that she was chosen to marry Charles was simply for the offspring.
Jackie: Because of the royal blood.
Alan: For the royal blood and the fact that just looking at Charles you can tell that they’re too inbred. They had to branch out a little bit.
Jackie: Okay, because she was pretty.
Alan: Yes and Charles is an odd looking guy and his sister Ann, who liked horses, kind of looks like one too.
Jackie: And the Queen is not such a–
Alan: No. They’re so inbred and it was in the papers at the time all of these reasons, it was more open at that time as to why they’d chosen someone slightly outside the usual coterie. However, once he performed his “duty,” you might say, and she had the offspring, Charles was off with the boys, as usual, all the time, playing polo across the world and he was never – I even think they’re lining him up now with this woman he’s going to marry as just another publicity stunt.
Jackie: Who is this?
Alan: Camilla Parker Bowles.
Jackie: Okay. Is that the one that he was allegedly in a romance with during their marriage?
Alan: Yes, but I really think it’s more of a mother figure, a confidant to him, because he was never interested in women, but it’s good PR for the public who must believe he’s straight and all the rest of it. At one time his Uncle Mountbatten,tricky Dickey they called him, he was a blatant homosexual. It was no secret. He was worried that Charles was also homosexual that he would never produce offspring and so Mountbatten hired or rented an apartment in London and put some really high class whores in there to try and interest Charles but it didn’t work. They went to quite a lot of lengths to try to get him interested in women and then they did PR shots to convince the public that he was straight.
Jackie: So are the boys his?
Alan: Who knows? It may have been done artificially for all we know.
Jackie: There you go. Very possibly.
Alan: They did a PR campaign that cost millions of pounds at that time and they were taking Charles across the globe and they were hiring dozens of models in Australia and elsewhere who would run towards him on the beach as though he was a really attractive fellow. That’s how far they were going to convince the public that he was a real ladies man, but that was so far from the truth. That’s the world that we live in and that’s always been their world though. They’re matched up simply for their genetic lineages and once they have performed their “duty,” as they call it, the husband can do what he wants and so can the wife. That’s always been the way of the aristocracy.
Jackie: And so can the wife?
Alan: Oh yes.
Jackie: Well that’s amazing.
Alan: As long as she doesn’t give birth to a child outside of the marriage. They used to have their own personal royal abortionists hired full-time just going around the aristocratic families.
Jackie: Do you believe that it’s true that Diana was pregnant by the–
Alan: I don’t know. We’ll never know.
Jackie: You don’t know, because there has been reserved speculation of course that the fact that she was engaged to this Arab, I guess, that they just couldn’t abide by that.
Alan: I can see that for sure but also she was becoming too popular. She’d gone on BBC and asked to go on BBC and started to explain some of the problems she had in the marriage and she’d done part one of that and she was going to do part two and I think she was going to go a lot further and tell the British people too much. That’s why I think she was killed, because she was too popular and people were listening. If she had done the second part of that BBC documentary, who knows what she might have said?
Jackie: Why do you think they keep the royal family in England? I mean it is just a figurehead.
Alan: They’re figureheads and it’s also a symbol of the system and the system is based on eugenics. It’s paradise for the elite there. It is eugenics. That’s the only reason that they are royalty is because of their bloodline, which they believe are superior to the ordinary people, and the British Royal family remember is related to all the other royal families across Europe. They intermarry with each other and have done for centuries and centuries but they are a symbol of the system.
Jackie: Now they called hemophilia the “royal disease,” didn’t they?
Alan: Yes. That was one of the royal diseases.
Jackie: And it’s carried by the mother, right?
Alan: Yes, passed on. They also had madness too. King George went nuts at one point, sort of manic depression. That was common in them too. They are a symbol of superior genes supposedly.
Jackie: In the protocols they talk about getting rid of the monarchies. Why was the plan for that?
Alan: It wasn’t for all the monarchies. That was the thing too. Eventually what I think they wanted was to phase out their status in the public eye but those same families would still be up there holding the wealth. They do hold an incredible amount of wealth and they have incredible investments in some of the largest multinational corporations on the planet. It wouldn’t matter if they eventually stepped down from the limelight. It would make no difference in this day and age because technically they’re not ruling anything anymore, technically. Sometimes I wonder if they are though, because I know that the Bilderbergers meeting the Queen goes there with a few other ones from the royal family. They are in on a lot of what’s going on, but I think one day they might just step down but still retaining this incredible wealth that they have and they’ll still continue to inbreed amongst themselves anyway. There’s a whole aristocracy that just simply inbreeds. In fact this Parker Bowles that Charles is going to marry, her ancestor was one of the mistresses of Henry VIII.
Jackie: My, my, who would that be? Do you know?
Alan: I can’t remember which one, but that shows you how close all these people are right down to the present. She was the mistress of Charles and her ancestor was a mistress for Henry VIII. These people are so close. They’re almost a separate race.
Jackie: Except for their little bastards running around, huh?
Alan: Yes, but they generally know who they are. See, they have legalized bastards who also have rights to titles and so on if they get authorized by the father and that’s where the term in Ireland comes from, FITZ, like Fitzsimmons or Fitzgerald. FITZ means that you were born outside of the royal wedlock but you have a claim to title. They were very promiscuous. That’s for the ones that were straight, that is. It’s a complex history of aristocracy and of course the Catholic Church for 1,500 years maintained this particular system. They were right behind it.
Jackie: Yes they were, weren’t they?
Alan: Yes, they call that “the natural order” and of course that’s why religion itself, which comes from the lunar, stellar and the solar mystic religions, that’s where it comes into play because technically the kings and queens were the gods on earth which were also represented in the sky in the zodiac. Of course the Vatican was symbolic of the deity that ruled the universe and that’s what they called “the natural order” – as above, so below. This was a traditional system that had been in play even before they changed their hats in the Roman Church and stopped worshipping Jupiter and changed it to Jesus, but it’s the same religion, same technique, the same system and the sciences of mind control were perfected long, long before Christianity ever got on the go.
Jackie: Any of the religions, regardless what the religion was, the people totally believed in it and in the gods, whether the god was in a tree or there where multiple gods. When I asked you that question when you were talking about how they could take a child and actually have them see that snow is black and believe it, and I thought about how deep and strong the religious beliefs run in people, that it is like it’s in the cells and no amount of reasoning or anything. If there’s a question that they can’t answer, they just say I don’t understand that yet. And discrepancies, they see the discrepancies, they say, yes, that is a contradiction but it can’t be because God doesn’t contradict himself. So they look at a contradiction and say that it isn’t one.
Alan: You must always bridge the gap or jump over it. This technique of making people believe whatever is not too difficult if you have all media, all written works, all novels, all movies, all saying the same thing. That’s how sanity is compared. You compare your sanity by your opinions and bouncing them off those around you and if you all agree on the same topics, same things, even though none of it’s true, if you all believe the same thing then you say well I must be sane because they all say the same thing. Therefore if you’re taught as a group that snow is black and you all say that, you say well of course I’m sane and snow is black and they all agree and that’s the simplicity of mind control. It’s mainly repetition on controlled groups and as long as all seemingly unrelated media or material comes your way and confirms that and you don’t catch on that they’re all part of that, then you’ll think you’re normal and so will everyone else around you.
Jackie: You know it’s like the god Jehovah in the Old Testament. There are people who say, okay, well you’re wrong because his name wasn’t Jehovah, his name was Yahweh; and so that makes all the difference in the world, Alan?
Alan: I know, but you see that’s magical thinking. Magical thinking was always based in ancient times that if you get the god’s name or the deity’s name or the genie’s name then you had control and authority over the deity.
Jackie: Is that why it says in the Old Testament it says “if my people repent and call me by my name?”
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Because that’s a big one for people who are steeped into the Jehovah / “Yahweh” doctrine.
Alan: That’s the exoteric meaning of Jehovah. There’s an esoteric meaning for Jehovah too.
Jackie: What is the esoteric meaning?
Alan: Actually it’s four words: Yod-He-Vav-He. It’s earth, air, fire and water.
Jackie: Yahaveh is what?
Alan: Earth, air, fire and water, which is behind all of the mystery groups right down to the present.
Jackie: Yahaveh means earth, air, fire and water. Do the Jews know this?
Alan: The rabbis do.
Jackie: What do the Jewish people think it is? It’s Hebrew.
Alan: Well, they think what they’re told to think and there’re content with very little really, but most of them aren’t terribly religious. They’re quite content what they’re given.
Jackie: So that is very materialistic when you think about it.
Alan: It is.
Jackie: The god of this world, of this world, the third dimensional material world.
Alan: It’s a ball of mud. However, religion as I say has been perfected long, long before even the Greeks ruled the world; it was all known by the ancient Egyptians and they’d already run that ancient world for 5,000 years before the Greeks came along and I’ve no doubt actually the pyramids are a lot older than they claim. They base it all on Cheops or Chufu as the Egyptians called them and the Greeks called them Cheops. One dedication inside the pyramid and so they say that must have been built during Chufu’s reign, but the Egyptian kings commonly rededicated their name to all monuments, so I’ve no doubt it’s far, far older. Of course, the three pyramids are the three wise men. They are the belt of Orion.
Jackie: Alan, we’re out of our hour. Is there more that you could do on this if we did this tomorrow?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: I mean can we start right here?
Alan: Yes, as long as you remember where we are.
Jackie: I’ve got notes. Thank you. We’re out of our hour. Folks, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night. Alan will be back with us. Thank you very much for joining us tonight.
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
February 23, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Wednesday. It is the last day of our week. For those of you who may be listeners from time to time we’ve been broadcasting three nights a week now since December and today is Wednesday the 23rd of February in the year 2005. Alan Watt is with us tonight and I’m glad you’ve joined us folks.
I want to begin here with our spiritual message. Alan came on with us last night at about 10 after, 12 after the hour and we got into a conversation just at the end of that hour that was very intriguing so I asked him to please come back this evening so that we could pick it up where we left off and we’re going to do that.
Our spiritual message this evening is from John 12 and this begins with verse 44:
“Jesus cried and said, he that believes in me believe not in me but in Him that sent me and he that sees me sees Him that sent me. I come as light into the world that whosoever believe in me should not abide in darkness.”
He also said, “If any man hear my words and believe not, I judge him not for I came not to judge the world but to save the world.” He also said in John 18 that he came into this world to bear witness unto the truth.
Alan, thanks for being with us here tonight.
Alan: Yes, it’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Oh you’re so nice and clear there. What occurred to me as I was reading this is that many people take this literally and say well that proves that Jesus was God because he said that, “When a man sees me that he sees Him who sent me,” and would you comment on that please.
Alan: He’s talking about a different deity. He’s talking about the Creator, as opposed to the man-made lawgiver.
Jackie: Yes and the fact that he said when you see me you see the Father or you see him who sent me, to me the interpretation well that proves that he was saying I am God I believe what he was saying here is that I am representative of that which is true and that which is light et cetera. He who sent me has given me these words.
Alan: He also said that the Father was in him and that those who understood him, who tuned into the same wavelength, then he was also in them; and so it was a raising of consciousness as well to truth as they say in an era where their whole lives up until then had been run by tyrannical laws and law givers, and he was giving the truth out you see.
Jackie: Right. The Pharisaical doctrine, is that what you mean?
Alan: There were so many laws that you couldn’t help but break a few before you got out of your house in the morning.
Jackie: And then you got to be a sinner.
Alan: Yes and of course as long as you paid money for something to be sacrificed, then it was okay. It was a good cash going business.
Jackie: We are going to get back to what you were talking about last night, but you had made a statement, dog gone it. Sometimes my thoughts are so fleeting, Alan. Okay, I’m going to have to let that go because it was there and then it’s gone. Last night, we were talking about the name of “God” of the Old Testament and in the Old Testament of course he said to his chosen people that when I made my covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob they knew me only as Lord God Almighty but I’m going to take you to be my people. I will be to you a god in my name or you will know me as Jehovah. What I mentioned last night is I get letters from people and emails and say his name was Yahweh and so in other words evidently the difference in the name takes away from everything that this god “Jehovah” of the Old Testament did and said.
What you mentioned is the fact that the belief was that if you had the name of the god – how did you express that, Alan?
Alan: It was traditional in the entire Middle East that if you had the name of a god, a demon or genii, the genie in the bottle, then you had power over that entity to command that entity and that was the little game supposedly Moses was playing with the deity when he appeared as a burning bush. It’s all allegory you see but he wanted to know the deity’s name so he could have control over the deity and so the deity answered, “I am that I am.” That’s all he would say at that particular point. The Jehovah of Yahweh thing came in much later. Of course it’s nothing to do with an actual single entity as such, except in a very obscure form. See, the deity that they worshipped initially was the volcano god.
Jackie: Did he have a name?
Alan: The Greeks called it Vulcanos–
Jackie: Would that be Vulcan?
Alan: Mr. Spock, yes, pure logic, and of course if you came down a mountain you wouldn’t be surprised to see bushes burning if it was a volcano and that’s why they said they were led by a pillar of smoke by day and fire by night. It was a volcano you see and it was a much earlier story that the priests had adopted into this.
Jackie: But that doesn’t really make sense that they were led by a volcano because the volcano is there static and supposedly–
Alan: No. What it means is they were led by a pillar of smoke. In other words, all they saw was the pillar of smoke. That was their landmark.
Jackie: Oh, a landmark. Oh, the fire by night and the smoke by day.
Alan: That’s what it means.
Jackie: And that’s like the three wise guys following the stars.
Alan: That’s the same thing, yes. It’s mystical language which paints a picture and if it’s instilled early enough in a child’s mind they will always remember that exoteric picture which seems real to them and they’ll never figure out the esoteric story behind it. It’s a clever technique which was deliberate. Language and the way it’s used is very deliberate in these instances. Anyway, he started off as the Volcano God and he was also known in the Old Testament as the God of Thunder. Volcanoes also boom and bang and of course that’s also associated with the thunder so he was the Sky God.
Jackie: Wasn’t Thor the God of Thunder?
Alan: That’s right. All these ancient religions were connected at one time and what they said was that eventually that God was in command of the earth, everything on the earth, all the species that walked the earth, the air itself and the rain itself and so that’s where they came with earth, fire, wind and water. What that also means is opposites, because behind the religion is an esoteric religion behind the story form that you’re told. This comes down through all Freemasonry and all religions, even Hinduism has it incorporated into it, that the world is run by opposing forces and so the simplest form is your seasons. You have your summer and your winter and your fall and your spring, and they also say that for every action there’s an equal and opposite reaction. Then if you delve back into the religion of the Babylonians where all this stems from, and Egypt and the Greeks in fact, they believed that there had to be a balance, always, between the forces of this or that – not necessarily good or evil because those are subjective terms according to the appropriation of it. Therefore, if it was out of balance one way, things could never be placid in the world and therefore they always had to keep this balance you might say between authority and freedom. The very same thing we’re hearing from the Bush Administration today.
Jackie: Like what?
Alan: How much freedom are you willing to give up for security? It’s a balance you see and if you read the books that many of the elite have written and the planners have written themselves, like those of Bertrand Russell, they go through this whole process of saying—and they knew their histories since they were historians and philosophers—they said the problem the elites have always had was deciding how much freedom to give the general common people and maintain authority over them at the same time. Of course, as they came up towards the 20th century, they got more in detail with the fact you’d have to lose freedom for the masses and the masses would definitely have more control over them as they came into this technological society. Then, for the 21st century, it was to be a century of increasing encroachment of bureaucracies to cover every facet of life and living for the general common people.
Jackie: Yes, that’s right out of the Talmud, isn’t it?
Alan: It’s Talmudic too because the Talmud is a just a book of the same stuff.
Jackie: That’s what the thought that I lost there for a minute is that I recall you saying that the Talmudic laws, actually, if you really read it all or get into it, when they say that they intend to have total dominion over this physical world including the inhabitants here, that even the most personal functions let’s say of the body et cetera, they have laws governing it. You did say that, yes?
Alan: Well, I don’t know if I said it but I know it’s true. They do have all these laws of hygiene, laws of virginity, laws of pre-marriage examinations for virginity and so on and so on. Everything is law, laws. It’s legalized and of course you probably read in the Masonic books they talk about “as above so below.” Thousands of years ago when they gave birth to the Great Plan or the Great Work they used the stars and drew their plan you might say into the stars and of course each constellation has a period of rulership, so these were time periods as each constellation took its lead to rule. They worked out what would be done during those 2,000-odd year periods and for the time of Jesus, the fish, Pisces, and that was the earliest symbol of Christianity was the fish. Wherever they went in Europe these monks always drew in stone the fish and that was their symbol that they’d been there, so they were the Age of Pisces and that’s why Jesus says, “I’ll make you a fisher of men,” you see. It’s all allegory of a plan you might say.
Jackie: What did he mean when he said that or do you think that was something they said he said?
Alan: No. It was a preexisting religion which everyone knew it was partly Gnostic, which preexisted that period and co-existed with it. The Greeks talked about it. Plato talked about the fishermen of men. These would be people who were specially trained in the mysteries who would be sent out to gain discipleship and who would then spread this technique, which was actually to end up ruling the world in a perfect system. They believed that these disciples would pick leaders as children, train them to be philosopher kings. In fact, Alexander the Great was trained by Aristotle who was a pupil of Plato; Plato was a pupil of Socrates who had to drink the Hemlock as a punishment for trying to corrupt the youth, so they were using the youth, training them to go out into the world and create revolution. Alexander the Great was trained by Aristotle for the role that he was to take, so these were called “the fisher kings,” that’s what the term means.
Jackie: Is that anything to do with the miter that the Pope wears?
Alan: It does. Oannes was the fish-god as they say.
Jackie: Who was that?
Alan: Oannes was the name of that deity. Anyway, the fisher king was a principle where they would literally bring up a youth for a leadership role, indoctrinate him in philosophy and logic and his role would be to lead the world into the perfect “Republic” as Plato called it, which was a world which would be run by a guardian class. The guardian class were to be the elite aristocracies of the world and below them they would have the helping class, which would be the army, the military eventually incorporating females into those militaries. They hoped to then breed the female soldiers with the male soldiers and they would become the offspring that would obviously take the same roles. Below them, there were the working classes who would be specially bred for the tasks that they had to perform through selective breeding. If you wanted an apple picker, as Plato said, you would pick a tall thin guy and breed him with a tall thin female. If you want a miner, you breed a small squat guy with a small squat woman; and this was talked about 2,400 years ago. Anyway, they sent out these fisher kings to create revolution and also each revolution was to create a larger and larger empire and ultimately they would end up with a world empire. That was the whole agenda and of course Plato himself had been taught in Egypt, as all the aristocracy of Greece was, they were taught the mystery religions in Egypt, but everything that came out of Egypt always led to revolution in those countries that those students went back to. That’s the key to it and of course revolution is a circle, you see. To revolve is to draw a circle. That’s why they use the word revolution. That’s why the term “revelation” is just vowel away from “revolution,” just the alteration of a vowel.
This was planned a long, long time ago. Jehovah, which basically is the balancing of opposites, and if you’ve got a bit of paper there I can show you how to draw it.
Jackie: I’m taking notes right now.
Alan: Okay. You draw the letter X and on the bottom right-hand side put down YOD or YH.
Jackie: How do I spell that?
Alan: You can spell it anyway you want, that’s why they left the vowels out of those. There were no vowels in fact in the early Hebrew.
Jackie: That would be the “Y” for Yahweh, Yahvey?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: And the bottom right-hand corner YOD.
Alan: Put down YOD and then next to that you put down fire, and then you follow that line up to the top left and you put HAY and next to that you put AIR. Then you go to the next line, top right, and you put HAY, which is water.
Jackie: Well how can HAY be water and air?
Alan: VAY is AIR so put a “V” for air. Then for the water you put HH. You can say HEY if you want and then follow that down to the bottom left and you’ve got VAH, which is EARTH.
Jackie: Well Yahweh I thought was YHVH so we have right now YVVH.
Alan: You’ve got Y, then you’ve got H, then you’ve got the V–
Jackie: For air?
Alan: Yes and a W, which is a V again, isn’t it? Because they pronounce it V. What it’s showing you is the opposites. Fire is opposite air and water is opposite earth. Water is a feminine symbol. Earth again is a feminine symbol. It’s all to do basically with the balance of nature you might say and the control of nature. Even the name wasn’t allowed to be pronounced except once a year by the high priests on pain of death and all the rest of the time they could call the deity Adonai, but they were not allowed to use that word–
Jackie: Did they know that this was all allegory?
Alan: No, the general public wouldn’t know.
Jackie: When you said that they were only allowed to say the name once a year, that would have been the general public?
Alan: Yes. The high priests, even they didn’t say it in public except on that one day of the year on some big service, but the general public wouldn’t know what the inner meanings were – just like you accept the name of Jesus as Jesus and don’t say: what does it mean?
Jackie: But the insiders are the priests?
Alan: Oh yes.
Jackie: They knew that it was allegory. In other words did they know that Jehovah or YHVH was an allegory and it was not a “God,” it was not an entity?
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: Or a spiritual being but it was just an allegory. So in other words it kind of comes back to the fact that the religion had everything to do with this physical world and nothing to do with the spiritual or the dimensions let’s say beyond the third dimension?
Alan: No. In fact in the early Old Testament you’ll see that there’s nothing spiritual in it.
Jackie: No, there isn’t. You’re right.
Alan: There’s no afterlife. You’re dead, you’re dead. You go and lay with your father and that’s the end of it. The whole goal was to obtain wealth and happiness in this life.
Jackie: That’s right and I do recall because I really paid attention to it when Jehovah was handing down the mandate that if you do my statutes you will be blessed and then he gave all the blessings. Well, all the blessings were earthly. It was wealth and everything earthly and then of course if you didn’t follow the statutes, well then the curses were just unbelievable. It went on for a page and a half including cannibalism. The parents would eat their own children. Those were the curses but I recall nothing that was ever said – for example, when Jesus said store up not your treasures here on earth because where your treasure is your heart is.
Alan: That’s right. Really, any idea of any spiritual nature was a much later edition to it basically for Hebrewism and even then, at the time of Jesus, there were many debates about even that. In fact the main difference with the Sadducees, apart from the fact that they were the nobility, they were the aristocracy that came out of Babylon with the Pharisees, the Sadducees did not believe in an afterlife. That was how they differed from the Pharisees.
Jackie: Why in the Old Testament, because I don’t have it memorized, but I just don’t recall Jesus mentioning the Sadducees but it was the Pharisees that were getting his wrath.
Alan: Yes, because they were the religious rulers you might say and they were becoming more aggressive for power, more determined to get power for themselves, but because they also had an inner religion for themselves, they were a brotherhood you see.
Jackie: The Pharisees and the Sadducees too?
Alan: Yes. They still had their differences though, a power struggle. You find that the Pharisees were definitely looking to take over the reigns of complete power and they also believed that no one could really know the Creator deity. That’s what they believed, that no one could know. They could say through debating and logic what the Creator was not, but they could not say what the Creator was.
Jackie: So they actually believed in a Creator?
Alan: They believed there was a Creator but it was remote.
Jackie: Not within us?
Alan: Not within us.
Jackie: Not in this physical world at all?
Alan: Basically. However, they did believe that they had a duty – because Judaism is an active religion, it’s not passive, and any rabbi will tell you, it’s in a lot of their books, it works towards a goal. The purpose of Judaism is to work a goal into the world and to complete a mission you might say and of course the mission ultimately is global government under God’s rule and that’s when the Creator will come back they claim.
Jackie: So they do speak of a creator but the “Creator” is not present?
Alan: That’s basically it. What they were left with was a lot of rules and laws and regulations, but within their own religion is a mystery religion to do with the Great Work of working towards this particular goal so they bring everything they claim into balance and magically I guess their Creator just pops back and says well done.
Jackie: When they say the Creator is coming back are they talking about Lucifer?
Alan: Well, that’s it. Albert Pike himself who was called “The Pope of Freemasonry,” which is one of the esoteric sects using all the rites supposedly of Judaism, but they actually go through Judaism all the way to Babylon and Egypt, he said himself that, “make no mistake our God is Lucifer. He is the light bringer,” and of course they equate intellect and intelligence with light.
Jackie: Right and Jesus was talking about light as spiritual, yes?
Alan: It’s almost the same thing because it’s truth and so that’s how easy it is for two people to say the same thing but both mean different things. The truth that Jesus was saying was basically the individual could literally through austere practices you might say and truthfulness with themselves connect themselves to the Creator.
Jackie: Become aware of the connection, consciously aware of our oneness with our Creator?
Alan: Yes and also that you didn’t need intermediary; any priests between you and the Creator, which of course would have destroyed the whole control system.
Jackie: What do you think how it would have turned out because it’s very difficult for me to be able imagine this, but if the Old Testament had not been connected to the “New Testament,” the gospels et cetera, the confusion wouldn’t be quite as great.
Alan: It wouldn’t have been quite as great. However, we must remember that Christianity from Constantine onwards was basically warped and twisted into the same religion for control purposes. Constantine did not make Christianity the main religion of his day. That’s a fable. What he did was stopped all the persecution against Christians. Having an empire, he had many religions underneath him and he himself was a member of them all because he took out insurance policies on every sect that there was. After 325 AD, a few years later, he actually erected a temple to himself as a Son of Mithra, Mithraism, and also allowed himself to be worshipped as a god. He was a shrewd guy. He was a politician and the whole idea was to bring this new up-and-coming religion that grabbed the minds of many common people.
Jackie: Exactly and combining them. Like in Mystery Babylon religion it explains how the gods of old, the gods and goddesses under Christianity under the Catholic Church became the saints.
Alan: That’s right. It was the same ones the pagans could understand because they had been worshipping the same deities forever and so Hermes became St. Christopher and so on.
Jackie: And so when people are praying to the saints they’re praying to the gods of old?
Alan: It’s the same thing. Psychologically it can give you a certain boost if you believe in it and it makes you feel a bit indestructible if you’re getting a hand from somewhere, but this was traditional. These people, remember, the Romans inherited their empire from much older empires, the Greeks and the Egyptians, so they had thousands of years of watching new religions begin, taking them over and using them for their own purposes. They never let anything become independent of its own which would become a problem to the state.
Jackie: I recall in the book “Mystery Babylon Religion“, this by the way, Alan, even though I knew that there were many discrepancies and et cetera in the Bible, I’ve come a long ways to understand of course, many of us have, but I was in shock as I was ready “Mystery Babylon Religion“, it was written by Ralph Woodrow I believe his name was and most of the information was taken from what was his name that wrote “The Two Babylons“?
Alan: Hislop.
Jackie: Thank you, but I remember Isis the Queen of Heaven and the way they pictured Isis is exactly the way Mary is pictured as the Queen of Heaven.
Alan: Well, she always will be. Always was. That’s the secret of the sphinx. That is the secret of the sphinx.
Jackie: What is?
Alan: The sphinx has the face of a woman and the body of a lion because the solar year or the Great Year in astronomy leads off with Virgo the Virgin and ends with Leo the Lion. That’s the whole plan in a circle. That’s what the sphinx stands for and the Egyptian year began with Virgo, ends with Leo the Lion, the progression of the equinoxes.
Jackie: What does that got to do with Mary and Isis?
Alan: Because it’s the same thing. Mary is mother. Mary is also the sea in Latin, water, The Great Mother. In fact once you put it into German it’s more like matter, Mutter, which means matter really, so she produces matter, the world of matter, mother. That’s why you have Mother Earth. That’s from Mary. It’s the same thing.
Jackie: You know the thing is when you think about it, it’s so close that it almost merges. I thought at one time I was trying to explain to Chuck the way I was seeing it and I said it was like the razor’s edge, the truth and the lie is so close. Then somebody said that it was actually in a sense merging, melding into where there wasn’t really an edge at all and when we think about it in real life that in this physical world there is a consciousness in all things. The book that really fascinated me was the “Secret Life of Plants” and I’ve had my own experiences with plants and realized that they certainly respond. They do respond not just to watering but to care, to love and it isn’t like – people who accept and recognize the consciousness they call them tree huggers, I guess, or God is in the tree, but that creative substance within all that is here in the physical world, that the earth itself would have a form of consciousness of type. I’m talking about awareness – well, like a plant. The experiments that they have done with plants where if a plant has been in room where another plant has been torn up by somebody, when that person walks into the room the plant that was there actually registers on their diodes, their instruments register some type of emotion and so there is a consciousness there, but a very low form of consciousness maybe, but the point I’m making is that it doesn’t mean that you worship it. You just accept and understand that that creative substance, that energy or spark or whatever we would call it is within all things.
Alan: That was the Gnostic concept that preexisted Jesus and was also parallel with the time of Jesus. In fact many of the Gnostics complained to Constantine that he was stealing their religion that had always been there and they claimed that the real Jesus of course in Gnosticism could not be killed because he was pure spirit and that he was not born of a woman because he was pure spirit in fact. There was a tremendous debate in 325 AD to decide as to whether Jesus was pure spirit or was he spirit inside matter that had been born here. I mean they literally debated all this and of course all the Gnostic guys who came up were basically assassinated at the time of the meeting.
Jackie: Would Arius been one of them in a sense?
Alan: He was one of many.
Jackie: According to Will Durant in his fourth volume of Jesus and Caesar, or whatever the title of that is is close. He said that by the 6th century BC if the church was not of the Arius teachings the church was literally empty, so whether that was true or not, that was the way it was presented. The fact that allegedly after the Council of Nicaea, that first council, that many of them who had voted said okay we’ll agree that this will be the doctrine of the church. This will be the belief and anybody that doesn’t believe it is anathemized and that many of them rescinded their agreeance to that later. Have you read anything that confirms that?
Alan: There’s no doubt that this was to be not just a state religion. It was to be the empire’s religion because they themselves knew that they had so many countries under the Roman Empire with so many religions and since they were a secret brotherhood working towards a bigger empire of the future, they knew that they couldn’t allow so many religions to exist so they decided to basically create the one. They did a lot of alteration because they had to stamp out the possibility of the Gnostic religion taking over.
Jackie: The awareness that we are spiritual beings?
Alan: Yes, that’s absolutely right because right from the word go the bishops of Rome were taking upon themselves God’s representative on earth. That’s it basically.
Jackie: Like the Pope does?
Alan: Yes and that came later when they took absolute power and became God’s authority on earth. You see the Catholic Church itself was a continuation of rulership and from an empire that existed for a long time, which had taken over from a previous empire which had lasted much longer, so they knew what they were doing. They knew that religion had to be used always as a tool to control the minds of the public. If the public were free from all this mind control they wouldn’t be working happily as slaves you might say to keep a small elite in power. They wouldn’t be happy with that. In fact if they followed the teachings of Jesus they’d have no money in circulation and if you can’t have money in circulation you can’t tax it back from the public. That’s why the Catholic Church, although they made a big to-do about they wouldn’t allow usury, they made an exception for these Jewish bankers. Well, why would they do that unless they were in cahoots from the very beginning? What you’ll find it was simply a continuation of what had already gone on before.
Jackie: I had a call from a listener after the broadcast a couple of nights ago and he was talking about a broadcast that is on the air once a week and I do not recall the name of the person, but what he was saying is that everybody who is “blaming the Jews for everything have got it all wrong because it’s the Jesuits.” My understanding is that all of it, the Catholic Church, the Jesuits, Illuminati, Freemasonry, it’s all part of the same controlling factor.
Alan: They’re all faces of the same thing. You see that’s what they always couched in Babylon and Egypt. They said that Isis, because these brotherhoods refer to the mother more than the father amongst themselves, but they said Isis had a thousand faces and that’s what they mean by that. Every church you can look at, whether it’s Moslem, Catholic, Protestant, whatever, or even the temples of the Shinto, you will seen the same hidden architecture, not so hidden actually, in them all and that’s the big secret of course. They always put because they are the builders of society as well as the builders of the building and they put the structure of society in the architecture itself and they also give you all the symbology of the inner religion in all of the temples that they give the public. Things are always hidden out there in plain sight. In fact there was a man recently who came out in Manitoba who is at the University of Manitoba who’s done a four year study on the government main parliament building there for the province. His specialty is studying old architecture and so on and after studying the parliament building for the province, which is the government building, he came to the conclusion and he’s got it all worked out perfectly they used the Egyptian Cubit, the Sacred Cubit, to build this thing right down to the last fraction of an inch. They have all the symbols of the outer portico temple and the inner temple in there. I mean the whole structure is a Masonic temple and the big joke of course that they’ve always known is that all parliament buildings are Masonic temples. All churches are Masonic temples.
As Pike said himself, “everyone who has been trained in the system is simply a Mason who hasn’t gone through the degrees.” We’ve all been trained through the school system. We’ve all gone to their churches regardless of what country we’re in. We’re all pre-Masonic you might say because we’ve gone through rituals without even knowing it. When you walk through that oval door into the church you’ve walked through the female. That’s what it means. The spire is the phallus. The box is the female and the opening is the female. It’s the mystery religion, we live it, we go through it everyday and most people don’t even know it.
Jackie: Of course we wouldn’t know it.
Alan: That’s the big secret. Isis has a thousand faces.
Jackie: I would like to go back – I made a note here when you said revolution completes a circle and what it means is revolve. Would you expand on that because I’m not getting it?
Alan: That’s why they used the term revelation.
Jackie: No, but revolution you said. Revolution is to revolve in a circle. What do you mean? That it always comes back to the same thing?
Alan: It means a new beginning. You go back to the beginning and then you start the next phase.
Jackie: And revelation is to reveal?
Alan: To reveal and that’s why I’m sure they even created the term revelation.
Jackie: And revelation reveals their plans.
Alan: In mystical language.
Jackie: In mystical language and then Christians are taught to believe it is the prophecy of the time to come, it is God’s plan.
Alan: That’s right and it’s been drummed into people and people forget that Revelations wasn’t taught in Christianity for hundreds of years.
Jackie: No, I didn’t know that.
Alan: It wasn’t until they decided that it would become handy if they put it in there.
Jackie: You’re saying the Book of Revelations was added later?
Alan: Yes. When they got together at Nicaea they also debated what books or writings that would be put in and what ones would be left out.
Jackie: Yes and every time they had a new council they made changes, but wasn’t it under the Second Council of Constantinople under Justinian where they had taken so many of the writings out and all of the references to reincarnation?
Alan: Yes, that was done then because that’s still the traditional belief of mainstream Judaism, reincarnation, and of course non-Jews are totally ignorant of that fact. That’s always been the inner belief of the average you know–
Jackie: Well, the ancient eastern religions too.
Alan: All the way from Egypt and so in the Old Testament–
Jackie: Didn’t you say that has now been admitted and it was fairly recently that the Vatican had apologized?
Alan: They did admit it in one of their own publications.
Jackie: And you said there’s a Vatican website?
Alan: Yes and I know they also had their own radio.
Jackie: Yes, but I’d like to see if there is a publication. Where did you hear that?
Alan: It was on the Catholic radio. It’s WEWN I think they call it. They’re always revising things you see and of course the Catholic Church now is in the process really and have been for a while of altering so much within Catholicism to bring it up for the New Age. We forget that the term the New Age was used first by Freemasons in the 1800’s and right up until about 1950 or 1960 that was the name of the Freemasonic magazine, “The New Age.” That’s where it comes from.
Jackie: My wondering is that is there an evolutionary process so to speak and I don’t mean that like Darwin or something, but where there is like each revolution a revolution of the astrological wheel when you go from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius then that would be termed a New Age. I mean what is it, every 2,400 years or so?
Alan: 25-1/2.
Jackie: So the word new age really doesn’t mean anything evil but yet it appears to me – there’s a book that I’ve got here and I don’t remember which one it was but it was about the Knights Templar and towards the end of the book they were talking about the New Age and it was so clear to me that what they have done is taken a natural occurrence if you would and just gained control of it and warp and twist anything, truth that could come out of it.
Alan: The New Age to them is utopia. You have to see it from their point of view as controllers and from the ones who follow it. The followers never know what’s going on. They think they do. In fact they often are brainwashed into wanting it to come on, but for the controllers it’s their age of peace and tranquility because they plan to alter man or humankind so much that no one will be able to cause trouble of any kind by having independent thought; and that’s what they mean. They’ll have a perfect peace when everyone is chipped and cloned and all the rest of it.
Jackie: Total absence of resistance to their plan.
Alan: Absolutely. When individual consciousness in the masses has been eliminated then they will have succeeded – even that meeting they had at Loyola University two years ago with the geneticists funded by the U.S. government and they talked about that, that once this chip is implanted, which they have, into the human brain it will be the end of individual consciousness. Each person will be unable to perceive themselves as a distinct individual.
Jackie: In that that chip actually has part of the human DNA in it?
Alan: Basically, it’s a combination of silicon and human protoplasm.
Jackie: So it merges with the brain cells itself?
Alan: It literally will bind itself to the nervous tissue right into the path of the brain.
Jackie: And you said that they had said they will hear the whispering of the thoughts of so many other people.
Alan: Who are all linked to central computers; and I thought this is the Borg of Star Trek. They showed us the Borg, but they plan on doing this and they say their only problem now is convince the public to accept it. They said all media, entertainment, cartoons et cetera will promote this as a positive thing and sure enough now there’s movies out and science fiction like the “Mosaic,” a terrible movie, but two dumb guys who probably left school at 15 going nowhere get chipped and can speak 20 languages, know kung fu, karate, et cetera and become super-spies. They’re already doing it. The U.S. Department of Commerce sponsored and paid for that world meeting.
Jackie: That’s not surprising, is it, Alan?
Alan: No, because we are the commerce.
Jackie: We’re out of our hour and the sad thing is that if you try to explain to a parent why cartoons are dangerous it’s almost impossible to do. It just doesn’t sink in because it keeps the children occupied. Alan, thank you so much for being here tonight.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
March 28, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Monday the 28th of March in the year 2005 and this is day 11 for Terri Schiavo without water, without food and we heard today that they are going to have an autopsy done after Terri’s death so they can prove that there was no foul play by Michael and of course we know that whatever is said will just be more of their lies.
Our spiritual message this evening is the same as we have been doing for the last couple of weeks, from Matthew. This is something for us to consider all around, not just relating to Terri Schiavo.
“For I was hungry and you gave me meat. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took me in naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came unto me inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these my brethren ye have done it unto me.“
That is a quote, a statement that is attributed to Jesus and he did say that “I and my father are one. He is in me as I am in you and you are in me,” and that’s what I get from that, ladies and gentlemen. We’re not going to spend the broadcast talking about Terri. Our heart is with her. Our love is with her and we posted a couple of weeks ago when the U.S. Congress was going to get involved here and we had posted a piece and I said well good news but the U.S. Congress doesn’t do anything. The U.S. Congress critters don’t do anything other than what their masters tell them to do and one of the statements that I made is that we have to be alert because we should be aware of what could be going on in the background behind the scenes while all our attention is on Terri Schiavo. Tonight our guest is Alan Watt. I called Alan late this afternoon. I thought well maybe I’ll ask Alan to come on and ask him to give us his sage insight into what is happening and has been happening is what we’re going to talk about, ladies and gentlemen. Alan, thanks for being here with us tonight.
Alan: Yes. It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Yes, always. So behind the scenes what are your – just some insight or your thoughts. I mean we know that the mainstream media has not brought this out the way it has for nothing.
Alan: It was a blitz across every border, every country. It was what they call in freemasonry a “must be.” It’s a “must be” and it was portrayed in exactly the same format on every station where the public have been brought through and participated in a psychodrama. An occult psychodrama and they’ve been brought to the conclusion carefully by the magicians the masters wanted in the first place, which is the right of courts to declare their right and authority for euthanasia. Euthanasia is the word for it you see. They never use that and on all the stations they never used the word euthanasia and so without even a debate on congress the government is putting down on its books as a precedent the right to euthanize who they decide and, of course, life support is not having a feeding tube in you, you see, so they have given themselves–
Jackie: Artificial life support they’re calling it. Alan, I didn’t mean to interrupt but I read a quote today. I think it was by Thelos or by one of the doctors that testified that she was PVS and he said that even a person who cannot bring a spoon up to their mouths. In other words, it doesn’t matter if you can swallow or not, if you have to be fed by someone else then it’s time for you.
Alan: That would take most of the traffic victim accidents that are in hospitals for a few months and then out again. In other words, what they wanted to get through for a long, long time is the right for the courts to declare the right for euthanasia, condemn who they wish to and even use a non-medical term that you can stretch like a rubber band and say you’re in a “vegetative state,” which is a non-medical term. It’s like “democracy,” it can be stretched as far as they wish it to be stretched and the public have gone along with this because they swallowed the “vegetative state” or “weapons of mass destruction” repetition and of course now they’re out putting their living wills together as they’ve all been advised to, which is the next big con.This living will thing, every station in Canada, like the U.S., does exactly the same thing. They gave you this spiel with the vegetative state repetition and they then talk to experts to advise everyone to get living wills and of course if you look at one of the biggest industries today, it’s the organ donor industry. You’ll see that the most expensive organs are those taken from a body where the heart is still beating but they’re declared brain dead and so this follows right into their agenda because they always make a profit off the human misery they cause. Since we are nothing but the sheep, then it makes perfect sense they’ve done it in this format; but Joe Public has passively given his consent to having himself euthanized in the future, with or without a living will, because it makes no difference in the end if the courts have the rights to decide. They can overrule whatever they want. It’s a psychodrama where they’ve brought the whole public in on the act, just like they did with the killing of Kennedy. It was broadcast all over the world over and over and over and so this is deliberate, very carefully constructed. There was no variation on the presentation of this from station to station, whether it was radio, television or whatever. It is all the same.
We’re going down path they wish. They put these same laws through in Holland and you wouldn’t believe where these laws have now ended up with the public. It started off with people who were brain dead supposedly and now there’s so many lawsuits where they’ve inadvertently killed the wrong people by mistaking their tags and it goes on and on and on, plus they’re making a tremendous profit from the organ donation from the live bodies. Yes, psychodramas of immense proportions.
Now while that was all happening on the 23rd, President Bush had a meeting with Fox and Prime Minister Martin of Canada and they signed into agreement the Unification of the Americas. I don’t think they even broadcast it on the U.S. television as to what they’d done, but in Canada they certainly did show us little bits of it, censored though it was, where they admitted that they’re going ahead and within four years there will be no borders as such.
Jackie: So that anybody thinking about leaving the U.S. and moving to Canada may as well hang that up.
Alan: Yes, because there is to be a common passport and they’ve got the pictures of it in the newspapers up here and it’s biometric with their eye scan and it’s got eye scan, thumbprint, everything on it and it’s all ready to go. However, it’s being constructed in exactly the same way as the European Union, where after they sign it into law basically you are part of the one continent from then on, so we are already, and they talked about they’ve already merged the military and the CSIS.
Jackie: That certainly would include Mexico too, wouldn’t it?
Alan: Yes. It does and so all your CIA and so on are all combined with CSIS and so on. All law enforcement is combined.
Jackie: What’s CSIS?
Alan: That’s our version of the same thing. We call it “Big Sis.” They’re also bringing in a common currency eventually. They admitted that; common taxation, common rights to all natural resources and the bureaucrats from one country can move to the other country’s government and work there if they wish to. This is all in process right now.
Jackie: Alan. I’m sorry that phone call was the second one I have received and Eleanor called up the first one. I turned my mike down so we wouldn’t interrupt your flow of talk. She said that we started out really nice and clear and she said now it’s so muffled that you can’t even hear us and I gave her WWCR’s phone number for them to call. She said well I think it is WFAR if it isn’t muffled on the internet it isn’t from WFAR because WWCR picks up the signal off the internet so I gave Eleanor the phone number and I don’t know if any of our engineers at WWCR listen but we need some help here to get a good clear signal out. This was another listener. Eleanor called from Canada. Kate called from New Jersey and she said Jackie I’m sorry but you and Alan are so muffled I cannot make out a word you are saying and we haven’t had this happening Alan. We haven’t had it happening. Nicholas, if you’re listening to this broadcast, would you come in and click in please because I was thinking maybe Nicholas could get a hold of one of the engineers at WWCR.
Alan: Yes, because I’ve got a little earpiece here from my radio and it sounds like mush.
Jackie: Eleanor said it started out clear as a bell. Alan, let us continue as though people can hear us. Did you mention some meeting that was held in Waco, Texas?
Alan: On the 23rd and they called it “The Three Amigos.”
Jackie: You know, Alan, the thing is this. For me to have sat here and done a radio broadcast as though what’s happening to Terri isn’t happening I could not do it and I do understand that. I mean I realize when it was all over the media the way it is, I did realize that they were doing it. I mean it was intentional. They never do anything that is not intentional but that’s the kind of catch-22 they get us into.
Alan: It was so obvious because it didn’t matter what station you tuned into, radio, AM, television, U.S., Canada, it was the exact same format. They were reading the same scripts, no variation and the constant repetition of “vegetative state,” “vegetative state,” like “weapons of mass destruction.”
Jackie: You know they did that little – Linda Kennedy calls it an S curve. I’ll tell you what happened. There was so many people emailing and calling those broadcasters and the stations saying, here, look at this. Here, look at this. They couldn’t avoid it. They had to do it and let me tell you what I heard. I believe it was on the 18th or it might have been the 16th. It was Larry King Live. It was that week anyway. First he had Michael Schiavo and Felos on and then he had Suzanne which is Terri’s sister and their lawyer Gibbs on. Then the last one that they had on it was all of them in the same broadcast but not altogether and it was some man from the Bioethics Institute–
Alan: That’s the new name for the eugenics institute.
Jackie: I know it is. I’ve got information on it. It’s not ethical at all of course. Here’s what I noticed and this is how they do their slight little curve. Enough people knew that Terri Schiavo was not in a coma. They saw the videos et cetera and so Larry King was talking to this Arthur guy and he said that when you look at her and you see I mean she makes facial expressions, he says, “that’s right”. Larry King said, “that’s no coma” and then here’s what the guy said. “That’s right, you’re right, but it doesn’t matter.” See, first of all they started pushing it like she’s in a coma – she’s been in a coma for 15 years and then it came out that she isn’t and that she smiles and cries.
Alan: I’ve got a tape of her trying to talk.
Jackie: Okay, so then here’s what the guy said, “but it doesn’t matter,” he said to Larry King, you’re right, she isn’t in a coma but he said listen we have a scientologist. We have Jehovah’s witnesses who say we don’t want your medicine. We would rather pray and he said we don’t force it on them so why would we force it on Terri? She does not want to live like this. So you see they came right out and admitted, oh yes, she’s not in a coma but it doesn’t matter.
Alan: That’s your cognitive dissonance and that’s how you get the public to go along with the flow of the way it’s presented to them, right to the very conclusion they expect you to reach.
Jackie: Exactly. It doesn’t matter, she wants this and Michael is just fulfilling her wishes. They really did a number on this thing, didn’t they, Alan?
Alan: Well, they achieved three objectives.
Jackie: Maybe more than three.
Alan: At least, though. It was slick chess move, one by one and the public have no idea where they’re really being led because it’s a highly emotive production you see and that’s when they get you. They rile you up into emotion and they have the public arguing amongst each other, which is designed, but they always bring you to your conclusion. Number one is the courts have the right to decide who’s to be killed and who isn’t; and no debate in Congress; and the public, if they acquiesce to that decision, then they have now given their power that that’s okay with them. It’s now law.
Jackie: They’re showing us that the courts are going to be the law in this land.
Alan: We’re living through psychodramas and they’re masonically and occultically created to the tiniest detail because you take the Schindler’s List novel and Schindler of course, the whole idea was that he had the right to decide who would live and die of course the parents are called Schindler. You take Terri Schiavo and the name itself and then you put it through the old Celtic name which is used in High Masonry for the “soul eater,” which is called a “schriver” and you can certainly make that out of Terri Schiavo. You can put that together and you’ve got Schriver which is the soul eater and that was someone who was put out there to basically eat the sins of the person if the priests didn’t get there in time.
Jackie: I saw a movie about that, “The Sin Eater”.
Alan: You might have because they once in a blue moon they’ll put a lot of that stuff out in movies, but in old history books you’ll find that name comes up and in High Masonry they still use it. Right down to the tiniest detail this is an occult psychodrama that we’re all being played through, just like all the details that went into the Kennedy assassination.
Jackie: I’ve had people email me and say the name Schindler, are they Jews? Are they sacrificing one of their own et cetera and of course Schindler’s List, people have connected that name but Schiavo of course that’s amazing too, but tell me this. How does it happen – see, this gets really esoteric.
Schindler, okay, here’s my thought. This happened to Terri Schlinder-Schiavo and she goes into the hospital and probably from the bone scan and it was said by a close friend she was going to be divorcing him because of the way he treated her and because of his womanizing. That night a friend said why don’t you just don’t go home tonight, stay with me. Well, she winds up in this condition. She wasn’t party to that. She didn’t say, okay, I’ll get brain dead because my name is Schindler-Schiavo. Alan, I don’t think that Schiavo – I mean maybe he did, but that would be a heck of a reach to say this was all a plot and because the name is Schlinder-Schiavo and it means this and this we’ll have him create this drama.
Alan: Yes, but I think things are worked so far in advance even before people get together and I think that’s really how occultic everything truly is in this system.
Jackie: What you’re saying then – I mean if they worked this out, that we get beat up, we get strangled, we get made not brain dead or brain damaged because of maybe a fit of anger that a husband got into–
Alan: Or he was ordered to do it at the right time and believe you me, in this real, real world, that’s not beyond them. They plan wars.
Jackie: They were in their 20s. Do you know they were in their 20s when this happened, Alan? They had only been married five years when this happened. We have to take our half hour break here. Alan, what makes me think of what you just said is that they are beyond occult.They are using the power, the creative energy, misusing it, maybe you could call it black magic, to induce people to do certain things. It’s weird. That is warped. That’s weird.
Alan: It’s beyond the human capability really, but I’ve seen it happen so many times it cannot be ignored. The precise detail – when they want a human sacrifice too – and of course it happens around Easter time.
Jackie: Purim. Purim was just a few days before Easter.
Alan: And it’s all Ishtar anyway so it doesn’t matter, but the thing is they go into incredible detail way in advance of the event and have everything perfect to pull it off because it is an occultic drama that the whole of society must participate in.
Jackie: You know what that reminds me of? For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, powers against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places,” and boy, Alan, you know this really behooves us to continue to look at ourselves and be very aware, acutely aware of how we’re being, how we’re feeling, even our emotions. I mean, see, I’m very clear these past couple of weeks and I haven’t even gone to sleep until broad daylight several mornings because I’m sleepless and I actually – it’s bright enough that when I go to bed I can sit there and read my books without the lights on. I’m very clear that that state of mind that I have been in and not having been able to somehow bring myself out of it, but I’ve been aware that how I’m feeling is exactly how they want us to feel.Hopeless, hurting, frustrated, all of those negative types of energies that feed their power because they are the negative.
Alan: They are the negative and since 9/11, I don’t know if people have noticed, but pretty well all authority figures out there from government departments are coming forward with a different demeanor. Even the politicians aren’t giving us the same old pretense of joviality and so on We’re seeing a new face of dictatorial personalities emerge and that’s the new training of the public for the new era and this is again skillfully managed. It’s an old technique because these guys go back thousands and thousands of years and we’re going into their new phase of a form of dictatorship really.
Jackie: And the people who are being put in the power places?
Alan: No one’s there by chance or hard work and so they have it all figured out who should be in and where. You have family dynasties here. I mean let’s not kid ourselves. We’re presented with the choice of this family dynasty or that family dynasty, only to find out that they’re all interrelated anyway, so it doesn’t matter.
Jackie: I remember one time you were talking about the Bush family and you said they’re really only twigs on the family tree. Boy, those twigs sure have done their work, haven’t they, Alan?
Alan: They have but they’re not the brightest of people.
Jackie: Yes, I was going to say that. Actually they do nothing. They’re just the front piece. Of course Poppy, he’s a pretty wicked guy, isn’t he?
Alan: He’s more shrewd. He thinks more and he calculates his language more than his son.
Jackie: And all the son does, the shrub, all he does is stick his chest out and strut with that smirky little smile on his face like he’s somebody.
Alan: When he’s got the script there he can read it pretty good, but when he doesn’t have a script there he makes incredible blunders. This is the man that was talking about the French because they wouldn’t join his war and he said, “Well the French don’t even have a word for entrepreneur.”
Jackie: Like that means something.
Alan: Well, it is a French word.
Jackie: Oh, it is a French word. Oh my God, Alan.
Alan: Then on the 23rd there when The Three Amigos were meeting to sign us all into one continent and one system, a reporter in the audience asked the main question. He said, “Does this mean it’s the exact same format as the European Union?” And Mr. Paul Martin who is also a lawyer–
Jackie: And who is Paul Martin?
Alan: He’s the Prime Minister of Canada. He said, “Well it’s not quite the big bang,” I mean he was off balance but he was trying to give us a very vague answer but George couldn’t help himself and he wasn’t reading the script and said, “Yes, I see this whole thing based on inter cooperation and closer ties,” the exact same phraseology they used when they were bringing Europe together, and he says, “progressing towards a common goal and spreading democracy through the entire continent.” Yes, he couldn’t help himself. He was too enthusiastic and he gave too much out of the bag really. It was only last year that the British people were given the released documents that had been classified since 1972 when they had actually signed Britain into the Union, sovereignty and all, and it said in the document that the British people must never be told the truth until this is accomplished. Now that’s democracy for you. Democracy again is an elastic band that’s never had a fixed definition.
Jackie: You’re laughing.
Alan: Yes, because you have to stand back and look at the farce of it.
Jackie: But Alan, how do you know all that you know and understand all that you know and can bear it?
Alan: Because I was born like this. I mean I was a camera for the first five years of just watching and from then on I got to the learning stage to investigate what was going on. When you realize how old this plan is and the techniques used upon nations and peoples are ancient techniques that were known thousands of years ago and they’re formulas actually and they were used in ancient times when the international bankers of 2,000 years ago were taking over the Middle East and Aegean Sea. The exact same techniques were used.
Jackie: The money changers.
Alan: They had international bankers back then.
Jackie: You said the money changers were international bankers.
Alan: They were the bankers but you know you can go into the writings of the old philosophers of Greece and Athens and Attica and so on and some of them actually explain how these guys came in and introduced their coinage, their gold and their silver. They set up local branch offices, branch banks and then once the public were used to using this strange thing called “money” rather than bartering with each other, the bankers would say your money isn’t safe out there. Bring it into this branch bank–
Jackie: And we’ll give you paper receipts.
Alan: What they gave them then was clay facsimiles and they found thousands of jars of this stuff. Clay facsimiles and as soon as the gold and silver was in the local branch bank it was shipped across the sea to the Middle East again and put into the temples.
Jackie: Let me ask you a question. What’s the big deal about gold?
Alan: Gold of course–
Jackie: I know it has intrinsic value but there’s something about gold that has meant something to them throughout all these years.
Alan: It’s the old god. It’s G-Old, Old G, the G of freemasonry that they have in all their symbols.
Jackie: Gold, is that where the word God comes from?
Alan: Well, God is also “dog” backwards because the symbol of the god in his night form was the constellation Orion who was always followed by the two dogs, his faithful dogs. Of course, Sirius is the main star that rises and tells them when the Nile flood was coming is the eye of the Canis Major, the dog that follows.
Jackie: What is the Dog Star?
Alan: That is Sirius. That’s the eye of the dog that follows Orion.
Jackie: There’s something in the bible that that woman that was asking Jesus to help her and he wouldn’t and she said I’ll pick up the crumbs that you feed the dogs. That’s symbolic. What did that mean?
Alan: Well, it’s a racist comment if he actually said it. She supposedly replied, yes, but even the dogs will eat of the crumbs.
Jackie: I didn’t believe that he said that.
Alan: It would have been something if he did.
Jackie: He wouldn’t, yes, exactly.
Alan: It would negate the whole idea that he was for everyone.
Jackie: That right. So forget that he said it but they said he said it. What did it symbolize to them?
Alan: Again, it was to differentiate between who a true Jew was and who a Samarian was because they both come from Babylon. They both had been led out of Babylon and the invading kings who released them from Babylon had first sent out a group who were told you can only study the five books of the Bible and they were then called the “Samarians.” Then he sent another group out a few years later who were the rest of the Jews supposedly and they were given also the Babylonian Talmud and they became bitter enemies, these two groups.
Jackie: Were those the Pharisees and the Sadducees?
Alan: They were very sad you see.
Jackie: I have to let Mariah (the dog) out, she’s bugging me, so will you explain the books that you have available. I’ll be back with you in a minute.
Alan: I have 3 books put together and they explain some of the occult terminology which is included within religion, because all Masonic temples in the West use the Bible, although they read the esoteric meanings from it, which “the profane,” as the rest of the people are called, are not taught in their churches. [See www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering.] If you’re interested in learning some of the occult terminology, I’m sure you won’t be disappointed with this.
Jackie: That was just perfect timing. Alan, thanks for coming on tonight.
Alan: It’s no problem. It’s a pity the reception is so poor.
Jackie: I know it is. Maybe I’ll just play this tape another time and surprise them and see what happens. This past two weeks that this has been going on, three weeks I guess, I can’t even describe to you where I’ve been because maybe I don’t know. You know what I mean, Alan? But it’s just nice to have you on for tonight.
Alan: Well, at least we can shed some other light on it than that which has already been put out there. I don’t know if the people also know that that Clearwater area is basically the center for Scientology.
Jackie: Maybe they don’t, but I’ve got another piece that’s going to be posted on our website but Judge George Greer was given an award by the Clearwater Bar Association and you know what it was for? For passing the test. Literally the guy that gave him the award was a lawyer who was a lawyer for Scientology.
Alan: In fact their main broadcasting station is right next door to the hospital and they have a degreed system because they are a higher freemasonic system you see and the OT8 – the degree of OT8 is the degree where you can kill with a thought.
Jackie: Are you saying O like the letter O?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: T as in Thomas?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: 8?
Alan: Yes, number 8. That’s their 8th degree and–
Jackie: What does O & T stand for?
Alan: Well, here’s the thing. It’s “Satan” with a lisp, because it’s the Order of “Thatan,” T-H-A-T, you see?
Jackie: Order of Satan. Oh my God, Alan.
Alan: The degree of 8, which is “as above, so below,” the number 8, is the ability to kill with a thought. It’s one of their higher degrees and of course once that’s thought and been put on paper by a judge, they just killed with a thought.
Jackie: Let me tell you something. I’ve got a quote by Greer and as a matter of fact I’ve sent it over to Darrin to put up at the very top of Terri’s page and basically that’s what he said. This girl – that was back at another time when they took out here feeding tube, is not to be fed. This girl is going to die.
Alan: She starved to death.
Jackie: It doesn’t matter how. Well it does, but–
Alan: You’re starved to death and you die by dehydration. This is murder, obviously.
Jackie: Well I know that. That’s not the point. You just said their 8th degree when it’s put on paper.
Alan: That’s them killing with a thought.
Jackie: That’s exactly what he said. “This girl is going to die.” Well, it didn’t happen then. It’s happening now and Alan, I really believe she has stepped outside of it. I think I’ve mentioned this to you in our conversations. I call it my twilight zone and sometimes as I’m drifting into sleep by I’m not sleeping and I saw her standing outside of her body and she was very, very peaceful and there was still that life flow, what they call the silver cord. Not that I saw a silver cord but it wasn’t like okay Terri’s gone “dead.” But that she was standing there very peaceful and very lovely and she like you know watching.
Alan: Well, you know the lawyer for the husband.
Jackie: Felos.
Alan: He’s also a member of all these groups and in 1991 he was in I think it was “Future Magazine” as a prime advocate for the right of euthanasia and he claims that when he went into see Terri he saw her soul inside communicating with his and screaming to be released. That’s what he said.
Jackie: Do you know what he said a couple of days ago on Network News? That “Terri has never looked so beautiful” and Bobby Schiavo her brother said that is such a lie. But he told his mom don’t even go into to see her anymore.
Alan: No, because she’s bleeding from her eyes and nose and so on.
Jackie: From her tongue is bleeding and Felos to that devil she looked beautiful to him. God, Alan.
Alan: Well, you know there are creatures from hell unfortunately.
Jackie: And where is hell, Alan?
Alan: This is it.
Jackie: This world.
Alan: Hella is the Norwegian or Nordic word for the earth, and this is it, folks. You’re here and you’re certainly being run by the master liars.
Jackie: And what in the hell are we doing here, Alan?
Alan: Maybe there’s a way out for some people, some of the fallen angels. Maybe they’ve done some repenting.
Jackie: Or like you said earlier today when we talking that the good news is that we can wake up in hell.
Alan: Oh, that’s a miracle. That is a miracle in itself when you realize the intense amount of indoctrination that we get as soon as we comprehend what’s happening from the system in kindergarten, media, cartoons and school and the media, I mean that’s all an intense matrix system to give us a version of reality which most people will never question right to their death and yet it’s not happening just in this generation. It’s happened for thousands of years.
Jackie: Well, but you know what? Maybe not this intensely and I think you had said this a long time ago that there is nothing new under the sun and the technology today that you believed they had really advanced further in this time than they have ever advanced before.
Alan: They’ve had the knowledge and we definitely know from Francis Bacon’s books written in the 1500’s and published in 1602 with “The New Atlantis,“ he’s talking about a weather machine to control the weather and earthquakes and storms.
Jackie: And genetically modifying the plants.
Alan: Plants and animals and engineering mosquitoes to carry diseases for warfare purposes and this is in the days of the horse and buggy and the candle. 1602 was the first time it was published. It was written in the late 1500’s.
Jackie: “The New Atlantis.” You know, Alan, I never got that book. I called colleges. I just never got that book.
Alan: It’s worth the read because if you can plow through it–
Jackie: I was trying to find – can I get the real “New Atlantis” like from Barnes & Nobel or something?
Alan: Yes. They’ll have a list of different upgraded additions.
Jackie: I think I had called and they didn’t have any but they could order them for me and you had suggested that colleges will have them and I called colleges up there in the New York phonebook that I had and here in Pennsylvania. None of them have it.
Alan: You have to make sure you get the proper one by Francis Bacon because the last couple of years they’ve churned out ones by other authors who’ve adopted the story and taken it off into outer space.
Jackie: Right, and I’m not so sure it’s all that easy to get today.
Alan: You’d had to get the reputable authors and you could actually ask for original type in the old language, in other words in the language of that day if you want to. In other words, they haven’t been tampered with. They’re just straight facsimiles of the original addition.
Jackie: Would we be able to understand it?
Alan: You will be. There are some spelling differences.
Jackie: Well, like time is TYME.
Alan: And Moses is MOYSE but you can figure it out quite easily. You cannot imagine where science would take you like science fiction unless you have a basis to take it from and of course we’re expected to believe he knew all this stuff just by a dream or whatever in the 1500’s, when, as I say, the horse and buggy were your means of transportation and a wax candle was your light. It’s impossible. No, they had the knowledge. That was the days of the Rosicrucians.
Jackie: We’re out of our hour. You want to come back tomorrow night?
Alan: Yes. We should really try and get it out. I think we weren’t even on the air for the last 15 minutes.
Jackie: Oh, you’re kidding me.
Alan: I think so, yes.
Jackie: Anyway, we can have these played again by the way; and Scientology, maybe we should take a look at that a little closer tomorrow.
Alan: Yes. That was a Masonic creation.
Jackie: We will be back tomorrow night. Alan will be back with us and thanks for being here.
Alan Watt on
“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru
March 29, 2005
Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Tuesday. It is the 29th of March in the year 2005. Today is day 11 for Terri Schiavo, folks, and I wanted to say this tonight. Just because we aren’t spending the entire broadcast discussing Terri does not mean that we give up and not that it’s necessarily going to make a difference, but I think that the calls and the emails and the faxes should keep going into Jeb Bush and basically just to let them know folks how many people, how many of us know that you know and maybe that’s all the good that it would do. But it doesn’t mean we sit back and say okay that’s it, it’s over because it’s never over until the fat lady sings, at least that’s what I learned in school. I don’t what you learned.
Our spiritual message this evening is St. Francis of Assisi prayer.
“Father, make me an instrument of your piece. Where there is hatred, let me so love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt let me sow faith. Where there is despair, hope. Where there is darkness, let me sow light and where there is sadness, joy. Father, grant that I may not so much to be consulted as to consul. To be understood as to understand. To be loved as to love for it is in giving that we receive. It is in pardoning that we are pardoned and it is dying that we are born into eternal life.”
That is very lovely for me. Our guest this evening once again is Alan Watt, folks, and Alan, thanks so much for being here.
Alan: It’s a pleasure if we’re actually on.
Jackie: Are we actually on?
Alan: I don’t know.
Jackie: Alan, for the sake of our shortwave listeners who didn’t hear it last night, basically what we talked about is what was going on behind the scenes with this Terri Schiavo situation being like you said on every where you turned, every TV, radio et cetera, and what was going on behind the scenes was the merging of the Americas, yes?
Alan: That’s right, on the 23rd.
Jackie: For the sake of our listeners who really couldn’t hear this last night, could you brief them again on this, Alan?
Alan: Previously on the 14th, The Council on Foreign Relations broadcast on television their plan for the future, which was basically an amalgamated Americas. Then the following week Prime Minister Martin of Canada and Mr. Bush and Mr. Fox met in Waco, Texas before going on to the ranch there and on two television stations in Canada, the CBC (which is the government station) and City Television they showed us two versions and you could piece together the whole thing from the two. In other words, they were heavily censored but it did come out and one reporter did ask when “the three amigos” as they called them when they were up on stage.
Jackie: The three amigos?
Alan: That’s what they called them.
Jackie: Oh, for God sake.
Alan: When they were up on stage.
Jackie: In Canada?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: That was a good way to bring Mexico up to Canada, wasn’t it?
Alan: Yes and the reporter asked them, he says, “Is this the amalgamation the same as the European Union style?” and Paul Martin stepped in and he gave a vague answer which he says, “It’s not quite the big bang” and then he rambled on from there, but then Mr. Bush stepped in and he was rather enthusiastic and he wasn’t reading the script and he got carried away I think and he says, “I envisage closer cooperation and ties“. Now that’s the same terminology they used all through the Free Trade amalgamation for the Europeans was “closer ties.” What they’ve done is sign into law that a common taxation system for the whole Americas, a common right to all natural resources shared amongst them all, which are the big boys anyway, it’s nothing to do with us, and a gradual disappearing of the borders within four years, which is exactly the same format as when you join the European Union – as they’re amalgamating they give four years for the dissolution of the borders, so this is all part one. They signed it into law and they’ve got nine more meetings this year to fast-track the rest of it through.
Jackie: And that four years gives them an opportunity to very slowly and subtly pull it over on the people to where the people by the time that “four years” is up they’re full-fledged into it and don’t even know it, Alan.
Alan: They won’t even know. In fact they already admitted that the CIA and Canada’s CSIS (a similar organization) are already blended. The law enforcement are all being amalgamated right now. Bureaucrats from the Canadian government can now apply to work in the U.S. Federal government and vice versa, so it’s already here.
Jackie: Oh my. Why is it then we would have a Russian Jew, Chertoff, for head of the Homeland Security?
Alan: Well, he’s had plenty of training and experience with the KGB. I mean the Russians had the trial run of how to contain a whole people and brainwash them and keep them living in fear.
Jackie: For our listeners and folks, I know you’ve heard this if you are long-time listener, but the book that I read by Mikhail Heller when Alan mentions Russia or the Soviet Union and it was a giant laboratory is exactly what it was. They created the new man. The new man was the Soviet man, by the way, and he says – listen to this. I just grabbed the book here, Alan. He said that “in the Soviet Union people aren’t born. Organisms are born and we’ve turned them into people“. He said, “we turn them into truck drivers, tractor drivers, academicians,” et cetera and he said, “it took millions of years for man to become homo sapiens, but in 60 short years we have created a whole new species called the Soviet man,” Homo-Sovieticus.
Alan: See that’s that plan society which the elite wrote about over 100 years ago.
Jackie: I can’t find this place in the book but I guess I don’t need it. This is exactly what is happening just what he said. A whole new species has emerged, Alan, like the cougars.
Alan: Like Bertrand Russell and all the other front men who were told what to write basically and Bertrand Russell was Lord Bertrand Russell so he was talking from the perspective of one of the elite. In his own books he said that the future that we are creating will not be haphazard. He said “no one would be born into the society unless we have a function for them.” You’re talking about a totally planned society.
Jackie: Yes. At least back into the bioethics what’s going on with Terri, I have been reading a lot about so-called bioethics, realizing of course that it isn’t ethical at all.
Alan: You see it’s the new name. The Rockefellers started up back in the 1920’s the first Eugenics Society and now of course they’ve got dirty names after they measured people’s skulls and decided they weren’t worth living, so they changed their name to “Bioethics” which is more consumer friendly; and so they don’t plan to have people born or at least allowed to live–
Jackie: That’s right and folks, listening to this, because honestly when I read Orwell’s “1984” it didn’t hit me that this is what they mean and it is certainly of course hitting me now. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a tendency to hear it but not really hear it. We listen but we don’t get it, but what exactly Alan and I are talking about right now is exactly the plan. In other words, and my sis said this today, Alan. She said, “you mean in other words if my hips get bad they could just kill me?” I said “that’s right sis” and that’s exactly, folks, they’re talking about the marginal elders. I mean they’re saying it right out loud that this is going to be the treatment of—I forget how they call it—withholding food and water.
Alan: Starvation.
Jackie: But no, it isn’t starvation, it’s dehydration, Alan.
Alan: As well, yes. Regardless, it’s murder but you see they put their own books out there many years ago and nobody reads them and these are not conspiracy books because they’re written by people who attend these meetings. Bertrand Russell was a member of The Royal Institute of International Affairs, which is the British Commonwealth version of the CFR. It’s all one big club and he wrote “The Impact of Science on Society.” That’s one of his books and he goes through this very thing, that they’d have to consider how much of a population they would actually need to fulfill certain basic functions and then decide which ones out of that population they would allow to live to fulfill those roles, based on IQ, sickness and so on.
Jackie: Or lack thereof.
Alan: Yes and when you couple that with the definition of the UN of a “good world citizen,” which Mr. Rockefeller calls himself, a good world citizen under the UN definition is a good producer-consumer. Now when you become purely a consumer you’re now a useless eater; you’re wasting the resources of the world. You can see how it’s all working perfectly along the same lines to where they want us all to go. It’s perfect because they’re all working in tandem and they’re on the same track and Joe Public when he hears this–
Jackie: It doesn’t register, Alan.
Alan: He can’t believe it.
Jackie: Well of course not, because it’s taken a long time for me to actually get it that what we’re talking about is for real. I mean we’ve talked about this and I’ve written about it, not this particular but all of it and it stays in and around our mind somewhere that it’s unreal even though we know it is real.
Alan: Until the knock comes to your door.
Jackie: Exactly, but no, see, before that sometimes you get it before the knock comes. I got it and the seriousness of it for people to understand cannot be exaggerated.
Alan: No, that’s just it. You see, we’re living under mind control. In fact the whole system from birth is intense mind control, which is reinforced through a universal schooling system so that everyone grows up with the same impressions and ideas thinking they’re sane because their neighbor and all their friends who when through the same system all have the same opinions, so we must all be sane. That’s how easy it is to train a whole society or a world to live under mind control and never know it. Zbigniew Brzezinski, he’s still one of the top advisers there for all the presidents, Brzezinski in his own books “Between Two Ages” and the “Technetronic Era” talked in the ’60’s about the coming population. He said we’re almost at the stage where the average individual is unable to think for themselves. He said all they’ll be able to do shortly is repeat what was downloaded into them on the previous night’s news. Now when you couple that with what Bertrand Russell said in his book, “The Impact of Science on Society,” it’s the same darn scheme. Bertrand Russell said that they were creating the people to only believe in the experts and that there would be experts for everything and that is a fact.
Jackie: And when people argue with you, they say I know it, and when you ask them how they know it, they say because some guy in a white coat on the television said it.
Alan: Yes, that’s correct and that’s exactly what happened with the Schiavo case. We watched the people with the professional uniforms on and I’m talking about the suits and ties, because fascism comes with a suit and tie, not with a uniform, and it’s got a friendly face and then you see the judges with their cloaks on, so we’re all well impressed by these experts and really these are just people. A hundred years ago if they tried this, those people wouldn’t be walking around too long you know. However, everyone has been emasculated through this mind control system we’ve been under and the men especially today hardly know really what they are. They’ve been accused of everything so much that they’ve lost their natural abilities you might say to maintain–
Jackie: You mean with the feminist movement?
Alan: The feminist movement, everything, I mean the white man’s been blamed for everything that’s happened on the planet and so he doesn’t know which way to go – if he’s doing something right or wrong or whatever, he’s unsure of himself in other words. He doesn’t act on his impulse or instincts of self-preservation.
Jackie: And that is the male instinct, not only self-preservation, but protectionist.
Alan: Yes and this is what they called “scientific socialism,” through a careful gradual process over maybe 50 years, Russell and other ones and H.G. Wells said the same thing, they said, “We can basically reduce the male to be impotent; mentally impotent,” and that has been achieved. Of course, people think they have a free media. There are no free medias out there.
Jackie: What do you mean free media?
Alan: Independent.
Jackie: Well, there’s us.
Alan: That’s maybe it, but out there I’m talking about the regular, you know mainstream usual. When they can spray whole continents from the sky for the last five or six years on an almost a daily basis, not one newspaper or television is even – obviously they won’t even mention it. Now that tells you that they’re not independent whatsoever.
Jackie: Exactly, where the control is.
Alan: They’re totally controlled.
Jackie: You know what’s amazing to me? When I was reading Doug Reese book “Controversy of Zion” back in the 1700’s he told about the press control back then and how the press could totally ruin an individual who was standing up telling the truth.
Alan: I’ve seen some of the original newspapers of the 1700’s because I used to go to the old libraries in Scotland and I can’t even describe what they’d put on a political cartoon when they were bringing somebody down because it was pre-Victorian and you wouldn’t believe how they cartooned people in order to discredit them; but it’s always been this way. For mind control you must have all the media working for you because the public get most of their “ongoing adult education,” as it’s called cryptically, from the media and that gives them their sense of reality.
Jackie: Who was the prime minister before Churchill?
Alan: Lloyd George was in.
Jackie: Somebody before him.
Alan: Are you talking about the one who signed the pact or the treaty with Hitler and he came back–
Jackie: What was his name?
Alan: It slipped my mind. I can actually see him.
Jackie: Well, I can’t see him but anyway it will come in. This reminds me of the same thing. Anyway, he went and spoke personally with Adolph Hitler and came back and he announced there will be no war and the people in England were cheering and celebrating. The people in Germany were celebrating. Does it start with an N?
Alan: Neville Chamberlain.
Jackie: Neville Chamberlain, thank you. Okay folks, this is the power of the press that we’re talking about. He actually negotiated a peace with Germany and when he came back and announced that and everybody was cheering, what they did in about a few weeks span of time is that the press totally denigrated him. He was blamed for something that had to do with the navy that Churchill actually was responsible for and he was run right out of office and that was the press doing it again because they were going to have their war.
Alan: This war was planned and to be honest, this is my opinion, but I think the top boys on all sides are always in on it. In fact when Hess flew to Britain – I don’t know if people realize that Hess was related to the royal family.
Jackie: Was he really?
Alan: The House of Hess is part of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha line yes.
Jackie: Why did he stay in prison the rest of his life?
Alan: We don’t even know if he did, you know.
Jackie: We don’t know, do we, Alan?
Alan: In fact they’ve even had BBC programs on that, where no one was allowed to see him and on one occasion one of his relatives said that wasn’t him, so we’ll never really know. Do you know where he took off to go and see? Who he was going to see?
Jackie: No. Who was he going to see?
Alan: He was going to see Lord Lothian who was the head of The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the CFR. He landed on his property.
Jackie: I remember reading that, Alan.
Alan: You see, so these guys had it all planned this thing and I’m sure they said to Adolf and so on, you go so far and then we’ll come in and then will have a bit of a fight and then we’ll have a truce; but of course they did a bad deal with them and Hess came over to see what was going on. These are all chess games and even those who go along with it can get dragged right down the tubes, but they’ve planned many wars in the past. This is an old, old strategy. In fact, Plato talked about it, where the elite of Athens and all the other islands, Iona and Attica, they’d agreed amongst themselves to have wars every so often to, number one, benefit the bankers because they have to buy new weapons after the vanquished all died and so on, and to keep the populations down, so they had these regular wars going on and they decided before who was going to declare victory for the history books.
Jackie: And so what’s new today?
Alan: There’s nothing new.
Jackie: There’s nothing new under the sun.
Alan: Carroll Quigley said that wars are actually fought to achieve social change.
Jackie: Remember Norman Dodd from the Carnegie Foundation? He read it right in their notes when he went to get their notes and they said well they’re all stored away because once the U.S. joined the UN our work was done. In there he read in their minutes of their meetings, early 1900’s, where would be – well, first of all, the question was asked: Is there any way to change a society, or what would we call it, any better way other than war? And they came up with: no, war is the way. If you want it never to return to the way it was, you have a war; and then they decided, well, let’s see. Where should we have that war then? Oh, the Balkans would be a good place because that’s the place that’s already filled with unrest. Now they planned this 1906, Alan, and the First World War broke out, what, in 1913?
Alan: 1914.
Jackie: Okay. Oh, that’s right. Now I don’t know if this is true, but I have read it, that they decided that they did not want to have that first war until the Federal Reserve Act was passed in the U.S.
Alan: That is true.
Jackie: And then the American people can pay for the war.
Alan: That’s right. Mandell House basically said that. He’s often called the man who lived through five presidents because he advised five presidents.
Jackie: He was Wilson’s alter ego, wasn’t he?
Alan: Wilson was a puppet. Even some of the memoirs of those around him admitted that.
Jackie: He was prideful.
Alan: And he wasn’t very bright.
Jackie: And they stroke him, give him some money and give him a nice, big, huge, impressive home. That’s what it took for him. That’s all it took for him.
Alan: That’s right. He was the most boring speechmaker ever, apparently. However, Mandell House was called “The Park Bench Politician.”
Jackie: Yes, because he used to sit out on the park bench telling them what to do.
Alan: And you know why?
Jackie: No.
Alan: Remember he wrote a novel called “Philip Dru: Administrator“
Jackie: Yes, I read it.
Alan: He’s even got himself in the novel in a place called Mandell House and in the novel, which was written around 1912, he says a group of powerful men set up an invisible government and buy politicians to front for them.
Jackie: Alan, we have to take our break and the music is playing. We’ll pick this up on the other side. All right, folks, we’re back with you. Alan Watt is our guest tonight and as usual, I don’t know about for you, but we wend ourselves into conversations that are so fascinating and so enlightening that – Alan, thanks for coming on with me.
Alan: It’s a pleasure.
Jackie: Okay. We were talking about Mandell House. You were talking about the book he wrote. That was in 1912, two years before the First World War and an administrator.
Alan: He said that special advisers would be the real powers behind the man that the public sees as a president or prime ministers because they were taking over the world and in the novel one of the presidents starts to get uppity and believe he really is the president so they had to take him down a few pegs. Now the message the big boys used, and believe this or not, this is 1912, was to install tape recorders – tape recorders before they were invented, by the way, and they taped all his conversations and then exposed some of it to the public, to the media that then criticized the president and that brought him back into line.
Jackie: Now where did you ever read this that they had tape-recorded him?
Alan: It was in his novels.
Jackie: Oh my God, Alan, you’re right. “Philip Dru: Administrator.”
Alan: That is why Mandell House was called “The Park Bench Adviser,” because he always talked to the press or everybody else on a park bench where no one could tape him. Now this is before the public ever heard or saw a tape recorder and these guys always have advance sciences way ahead of what the public know.
Jackie: You know I remember reading and I think this was in Doug Reed’s book, “Controversy of Zion,” Edward Mandell House actually was running the government and he would have meetings with high people from other countries in his apartment. There was one time when Woodrow Wilson the President was in there and some ambassador or something came into Mandell House’s apartment and he excused the president from the room.
Alan: I can believe it.
Jackie: And after that I think is when Woodrow Wilson was just pretty much you know done.
Alan: He served his purpose and he tried to set up the League of Nations and that was one of his main jobs.
Jackie: No he didn’t.
Alan: No.
Jackie: But he was credited with it.
Alan: Yes, he was a front man.
Jackie: Remember before it was the League of Nations it was called The League to Enforce Peace.
Alan: That’s right.
Jackie: The League to Enforce Peace.
Alan: Doublespeak, yes, but isn’t it amazing that even in that novel he gives you the fact that there are men behind the scenes who are big multi, multi-billionaires who then employ the advisers and train the advisers. The advisers tell the presidents and prime ministers what really is the future because they plan the future like a business plan and then they use that exact same technique of bringing down a president with Nixon. The same technique, they bugged the whole White House with tape recorders.
Jackie: Now we were told that Nixon was playing tapes because he wanted to write is memoirs.
Alan: That’s the story, but at the time they actually said before they came up with that it was for another reason.
Jackie: Oh, in other words, that’s why they had the tape. That was the justification. You’re right because in the book “Henry Kissinger” that is addressed exactly what you just said the way they hid. They actually bugged his office.Alan, it was unbelievable the way they set that man up.
Alan: Yes and as I say it’s more incredible that somebody wrote about that technique around 1912 and even tape recorders before the public ever heard of a tape recorder.
Jackie: Well, see I need to read that book again because I read it quite a few years ago. I don’t mean like 20 years ago but before I was really seeing, Alan. I mean it was intense enough reading it then but I can’t imagine what I would see when I read it the second time.
Alan: That’s right. It’s amazing how much is out there to the public and the public don’t see it and that’s what they call “the mocking of the victim” in Masonry. They will put something out there. It’s not up to them if you understand it or not. It’s a form of legality that they have shown you, and stupid you if you didn’t catch on.
Jackie: A form of legality. That’s exactly what’s happening right now with the Terri Schiavo case.
Alan: Yes it is.
Jackie: It’s all legal. It’s all the courts, the law. I mean of course they’re lying at every turn because the law is there that prohibits what they’re doing but that doesn’t even matter, Alan.
Alan: As I say, it’s a Masonic “must be” and nothing will stop it because this was planned to go through. It’s got to go down in the books as precedence. It gives them the right then to decide by the courts who will live and die and also what they determine as quality of life will go down on the books.
Jackie: They get the man on the streets saying – I think I told you this, that when I talked to Jody about this and she asked me what I thought about it, but before she got my answer she said, you know, mom, I wouldn’t want to live like her, would you? And Alan, Jody is a very compassionate person, so this gives me glimpse of how slick they are, so I began to tell Jody first of all that she wouldn’t even be in that condition if she had ever had any therapy. I mean it goes on and on and on, Alan.
Alan: I know. There was a woman on a show here not long ago who had a massive stroke–
Jackie: That was Kate Adamson probably.
Alan: I know that she’s doing well now and she can talk coherently and so on.
Jackie: But the point I was making is this: In the face of all the evidence that is out there, what they keep saying is they keep pushing this into peoples minds, “I wouldn’t want to live like that, would you?”
Alan: In a vegetative state.
Jackie: In a vegetative state.
Alan: “Weapons of mass destruction,” over and over.
Jackie: These are not the people who are saying why don’t you let her die. I’ve had two or three people write to me and say why don’t you leave it alone. Let her die. Don’t you have any compassion?
Alan: Yet, here you are, being taken through a High Masonic psychodrama. This is what this production is and they have the public doing exactly as they’re trained to do, debate A and B, and they’re all at each other’s throats over it and yet none of the public have been there themselves. They’ve taken everything from the media, which is very little, and made decisions and giving their passive assent to this.
Jackie: That is exactly the point, that everything they do they wind up getting the – they call it the “mandate”, the people’s mandate, and that’s how they do it.
Alan: That’s right and the public have no idea that this now gives the government a rubber band, which can be stretched and stretched, called their decision on quality of life and what a vegetative state is.
Jackie: And you know what? I am just totally changing the subject on us, but every single one of our listeners, we can make a difference and basically the opportunity arises almost every single conversation we have with anybody and the thought that just came to my mind. Amber called me Easter Sunday and she said happy Easter mom and I said well happy Ishtar, honey, and she said what does that mean and I began to tell her and I said go into the internet because they do the computer stuff and I said you’ll find this very fascinating. We talked about the egg. You know bunnies don’t lay eggs. Why do we have Easter eggs? Well, because Ishtar hatched from an egg and somewhere in her mind this is going to stay there and what else can we do? What more can we do? I shouldn’t say what else, but what more can we do than at every opportunity offer an opportunity to our kindred brothers, sisters, to at least consider the truth. It’s like I said last night, even though I knew when this hit mainstream the way it did, I knew that they were using it and of course you see all the hooks and what they’re doing and knowing that I was doing exactly what they wanted me to do, I did it, Alan, because I could not sit and say okay well they’re playing a game and I’m not going to play that game with them. You cannot sit back and not do what you can because it wasn’t just Terri anyway.
Alan: That’s what Joe Public doesn’t realize as they give their consent to this. This isn’t about one person. This is the right of the government to decide from now on right into the future who can live and who can die by a court order.
Jackie: And yet, while that is true, it is about one person; it is about Terri Schiavo, a woman who is being murdered–
Alan: It’s a sacrifice at Easter time.
Jackie: …in plain sight of the entire world, Alan.
Alan: Yes, absolutely. I mean this is, as I say, set up the same way as when they shot Kennedy. They made sure the whole world was watching. The whole world goes through the psychodrama. It has a shock effect on the person, highly emotive, highly charged with emotion and the public are being led from beginning to end through a chess game in which they don’t even know they’re participating because they’re giving their approval.
Jackie: See, but I knew I was participating and I still did it and Alan – it isn’t that I wrestle with that, but I think about how slick they are that they get us in these places where we’re damned if we do and we’re damned if we don’t.
Alan: Yes I know and at the same time as everybody starts taking on the pros and cons and fighting with each other about it all from the media, as it’s designed to do, as I say the most historical thing that’s happened since the American Revolution just took place on the 23rd and no one knew.
Jackie: Without a shot being fired.
Alan: That’s right and that’s so typical.
Jackie: By the suits.
Alan: Yes, plus they have their sacrifice. They always have a sacrifice when they build a new structure and this is it, at Easter time too. It’s perfect. It’s a beautiful Masonic script.
Jackie: This is a real window of opportunity for them, the whole thing, their own Masonic holidays and probably astrologically it suited for what they did.
Alan: Yes and for the High Masons they still go by the Roman calendar where March is the beginning of their year.
Jackie: Oh, okay. Happy New Year, guys, right?
Alan: That’s right and of course that’s the death – again, there’s always a death of something and there’s the death of winter, the beginning of life. They’ve built a structure because they build forms, which are systems. That’s what they mean by builders. They are builders. They’ve just built the new future of the Americas so quietly and easily and distracted the public while they carried out their sacrifice, which is only the first one of many to come.
Jackie: There have been many before her. It just happened to be the one that came out.
Alan: Yes, so this is your typical skilled Masonic ceremony and we all went through it and very few people realized it.
Jackie: All right. Now you know what I would like to do? Well, this is a real downer, you know, what we’ve been talking about. I don’t mean it’s a downer because anytime we are brought into understanding we actually should celebrate but this is very difficult and sounding almost hopeless, Alan, so let’s talk about the other side of the face of this coin that what they envision, what is happening does not have to happen if enough people wake up to it, but it isn’t just waking up to this lie. It’s waking up to the religious lies that we’ve been told.
Alan: It’s the entire system which we call reality and normality.
Jackie: On that other level, on the other dimension, the other frequency, you know I have a tendency to think out there when I think different levels or frequencies and I have to keep reminding myself that it is all one, but doesn’t it come down to, Alan, right now it appears to me that there are almost people choosing up sides. It isn’t consciously, like okay I’m on this side. It’s people doing the right thing for the right reason and I think about Terri Schiavo and I think about the outpouring of love because everybody who was standing with Terri and doing whatever they could to stop this slaughter, this sacrifice, I think that there is something magnificent out of this that each and every one of these people experienced love that is unfathomable. Love of a person that they don’t even know and there is something very beautiful about that and it has occurred to me that this could turn the tide when people understand that love is the power and all that there really is that is real, Alan.
Alan: Well, the key – see, this is the strange thing because they give you all your holy books but they always leave the truths in there because they’re so legalistic. They tell you the antidote to the system and they tell it to you in the New Testament, which has been refurbished a few times. However, they tell you if you have so much goods and so on, give them away. If someone is in need, help them and have the faith that when you need something someone will help you. You see that’s the only antidote to their system because their system is based on a substitute for all of that, and it’s called money, and that was the first trick that was ever pulled–
Jackie: In other words, do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Alan: Yes. In other words, use your humanity. There is no humanity in a monied system. It can only be an elite that manages the whole con game and the rest of the people who are generally fairly poor and because it’s a profit-making thing based on usury, everyone is born with a function to work at a job and job is from the Bible. Job was persecuted by his deity and that’s why you get a job. If you’re one of the higher-ups you get a salary, you see, but if you’re are a worker (and most people are trained to be workers) you get a job; and this is all Masonic of course in its esoteric meanings and that’s why the Masons have that Bible in the temples. However, the fact is, the antidote is also there if the people decided to use their humanity and say we’re not going along with this system anymore.
Jackie: And do you know what? I really believe this, that within each and every one of us there is a place that we know. I other words, even people let’s say who make a decision based on, well, it doesn’t seem right but after all I’ve got four mouths to feed. See what I’m saying? That if somebody sees that it is wrong and understands that it is wrong they don’t do it. They don’t take into their realm of consideration of this, well, I have to do this because otherwise how am I going to feed my family, and there’s where the faith comes in that you were just talking about. You do the right thing for the right reason and doors will open but you have to just know that, Alan.
Alan: Yes, but the whole problem in a monied system, it’s a dog-eat-dog from the top and the reason that we worship – and society does, they worship multimillionaires and that’s what they call success. That’s why it doesn’t matter how they get there, as long as they get there; and this trickle-down theory is more of a bunch of pariahs on every level having to eat off the guy beneath you in this trickle-down system, and when everything goes up in price you have to shaft the guy below you to make up what you had before.
Jackie: So in other words, okay, you shaft them.
Alan: You shaft them. He shafts you.
Jackie: If you didn’t add something to what you’re selling.
Alan: It doesn’t matter. You see, this whole system–
Jackie: No, but I’m looking at it within that. It isn’t like they consciously feel that they’re shafting somebody because they have certain overhead and in order to meet the overhead they charge what they charge.
Alan: This system is based on a fallacy and it’s based on deceit by very clever people who’ve been taught this many thousands of years ago how to run this system and we call this system, which is completely inhumane. People do not live their lives. They run and race and worry through it. They don’t live but we call this system humane and the guy who’s your neighbor to your left, he might have the same medical problem as you neighbor to the right, but the guy on the left doesn’t have as much money and so he get’s a few pills that will probably give him an ulcer or something or make him bleed to death, but the guy on the right has more bucks so his life will be saved. We call this normal and we call this is humane society. There’s nothing humane in it. There’s nothing humane in this system. It’s a corrupt evil system and it was from the beginning.
Jackie: Well that comes back once to us, each and every one of us, Alan, and we can talk about the corrupt system and then the question is are we going to be part of it?
Alan: Yes, and if you are going to be part of it–
Jackie: Well, I don’t mean forced into like okay you have to have a driver’s license, but I’m talking about doing what you know in your heart – it’s like people who work for Children Family Services. They go into people’s homes and they steal children and they say well I was only doing my job. This is what I’m talking about, Alan.
Alan: And those cops at Schiavo’s thing that were arresting the children that were trying to take water – they were just doing their job; and when they take you in to kill you, they’ll tell you the same thing. You see there’s an evilness through segments of society and I don’t care how it’s glossed over, ultimately the individuals are well aware of what they’re doing.
Jackie: It’s the human being or a human condition maybe or whatever you call it that they know human nature and they know what seduces people, but somewhere – we’ve got about four minutes left. I want to say something that you said a long time ago and well I liked it and maybe I liked it because I know it’s true but what you say means something and we were talking about people wakening up, I mean enlightened, spiritual consciousness and I asked you one time how many do you think it will take? And you said not really very many because there aren’t many of them.
Alan: That’s a fact.
Jackie: Yes because the light into the darkness is where that shines away that evil.
Alan: Really at the top they estimate there is only three percent who run the world.
Jackie: And so enough of us who stand in every way that we can that we stand for right, in other words, Alan, and if it isn’t right we know it because there’s something in us that niggles us and we get the warning and say, no, don’t do that, and then we’re either going to go with that because we accept and know or we’re going to say don’t bother me conscience. Don’t bother me because I have to do this just this one time because then I’ll get that promotion.
Alan: And if you’re part of the team and you’re all there in the same uniform, because a whole bunch are doing the wrong thing doesn’t mean that you have to. People are making decisions all time you know and it doesn’t wash, the excuse doesn’t wash that it’s the law or I’m only following orders. That does not wash. That does not wash at all. They know who they are and what they’ve done and that doesn’t go on forever. There’s always a balance to the scale and when evil gets too low it must perish. It must be destroyed and it will.
Jackie: Evil can only be destroyed by the light.
Alan: The evil also turns on itself at a certain time.
Jackie: Oh, that’s good. Do you want to talk about that tomorrow night?
Alan: Sure.
Jackie: Evil turning on itself. Will you write that down?
Alan: Yes.
Jackie: Folks, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night with Alan. We’ll just pick up with this conversation where it left off.