Alan Watt & Jackie Patru – Sweet Liberty Radio – June 2005

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“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru

June 6, 2005

Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. This is Monday and it is the 6th of June in the year 2005 and I’m glad you’ve joined us tonight. I hope you had a nice weekend, folks. I’m getting myself organized here. We have a guest this evening, somebody that I think you’ll be very pleased to be able to listen to and we haven’t had him on too often and so I wanted to bring him on this evening. Alan Watt is with us tonight, folks. I’m being facetious. Alan, thanks for being here.

Alan:  Yes, it’s a pleasure.

Jackie:  The reason I ask Alan to come on we were talking about the food folks and one of the things that Alan was telling me that I wasn’t aware of is what the large argi-businesses like Monsanto. You wouldn’t call them an agri-business, would you? Agri-business?

Alan:  That’s what they call themselves, but they’re really a complete monopoly. That’s their job.

Jackie:  A complete monopoly; and to start this out, would you tell our listeners what you were telling me about what they’re doing with the patenting of other peoples and companies seeds?

Alan:  Monsanto of course started off with a patent for genetically modified food for one particular species and of course that eventually after a few failures eventually it got through the patenting procedure and so for the first time a company could actually patent and own a foodstuff or the seed. However, that didn’t seem to be the real purpose behind it because what it did was open up the doors for Monsanto then to go and purchase anybody’s seed, and then of course they could go patent it, go back to the purchaser and say to them you can’t sell that anymore because we own the rights to it.

Jackie:  And you said they’re actually doing this today?

Alan:  They’ve done it with thousands of species.

Jackie:  Of species of seeds?

Alan:  These are seeds which produce plants which people have spliced and so on in the old way for hundreds maybe thousands of generations to get that perfect plant and of course no one thought of patenting the rights to it, except of course the big money boys because food and water are necessities and they’re taking over both. And I think you have the quote there from that lady who was in charge of the UN–

Jackie:  Bertonelli.

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Where she said we use food as a – did she say weapon? She said we make no apologies.

Alan:  Yes and of course there’s no doubt about it, to whip the world into shape into the new system we can see that water has been taken over step by step. Now food of course is going the same way. People don’t realize they’ve had riots in other parts of the world where Monsanto has paid off governments to push their seeds on the people. India had massive riots over there.

Jackie:  You mean the people in India actually know?

Alan:  India has such a long history of a very class type system and it’s only in recent years that they’ve had any small farmers at all who owned their own land and they see right away this is a move to take it all back from them, because the seed that you have to purchase from Monsanto won’t regenerate itself. You have to go back every year to buy more seed.

Jackie:  They have the terminator seed and that is one, I believe – I remember reading about that that they’re on the third world countries where people – I mean they live by the food that they grow and the farmers are being forced into using the terminator seed. They won’t be able to afford continue farming because they always save their seed, their corn and grain and et cetera, enough of it for the next planting; and the terminator seed, folks, in case you haven’t heard about it, probably most of you had, it is a seed that will grow a food. I don’t think the foods are seedless but the seeds will not sprout and this is another – you know when Alan did the broadcast last Monday night and I didn’t listen to it then but I did listen to it Tuesday night after I did the broadcast. I listened to it on the archives and he mentioned the importance of gardening, but gardening with not hybrid seeds. The hybrids aren’t bad. They’re not genetically modified food but the seed of the hybrid, if they take two different types of let’s say a hybrid tomato and they make it this real nice cool super tomato out of it, the seeds of that tomato, about 25% of them will germinate but they’re not going to be the hybrid. They’re going to go back to whoever hybridized them believed to be inferior. What they do, Alan – you know one of the nice things about if we didn’t have to worry about buying seed is that they can hybridize a particular plant for particular areas that maybe are resistant to certain plant diseases but now in the Southern Exposure Seed Exchange Catalogue they’ve got, it’s like you said, they have grown these seeds over time. They’re actually what they call “heritage seeds” from long, long ago and so they actually have been able to breed the plants that are no longer hybrids that are for particular growing areas and are resistant to rust or whatever some plants can get and we won’t have access to these.

Alan:  No, and this is again a priority. It’s obviously a priority because the judges are totally onboard as they say with this – onboard is a good pirate term. Now they’re fining anybody who gets Monsanto’s seed blown on their land and even in the charges that they’re using against farmers where they find one or two plants on his land, they’ll put him out of business and take the farm and they’re doing it. The judge even said in Canada here at the Supreme Court level, he didn’t care how it got there, if it blew off, was dropped, brought in by a combine harvester and that’s another method of moving this around. Farmers often hire guys to go around the farms with their combines and they’re taking seed with them and then spreading it on the next farm.

Jackie:  This one particular I remember reading it and I think it’s the same one you’re talking about, although there have probably been more than one, but the one farmer who grew a non-GM corn and there was GM corn close enough that if – what’s the word? Pollinated, then he was accused of patent infringement and that’s the one where the judge said and it was because the wind blew the pollen from this GM corn into his field and the judge didn’t give a dog gone.

Alan:  In that case there was even another farmer who had a whole truck full of seeds who had gone past his land and found out the bags were burst.They found out that the bags had burst on another farmer that was passing his farm and the farmer said that probably half of my seed here has blown onto your land, and the farmer admitted it.He says you’ve probably got half my seed across your field here and so that was against him too, but the judge said I don’t care if a bird even passed its seed in its droppings, the fact is as long as it’s on your land that’s all I need to know.  Again, it’s a Masonic must-be for their GM Grand Master foods that this is going to be this way because they want the small farmers out of business.

Jackie:  They want to put home gardeners out of business.

Alan:  Yes they do.

Jackie:  Just people who are growing for their own survival, Alan.

Alan:  Yes, that’s a fact. They want to have total control of everything on the planet and when you watch these wildlife programs that they always have on television, you’ll notice that they have the experts in the fields, or students or whatever, tracing all kinds of animals, even rattle snacks and they catch them–

Jackie:  Tracking them?

Alan:  They tag them and track them, and you know this is all a symbol of what’s going to happen to every individual. It’s the same thing. It’s the ownership of everything on the planet.

Jackie:  Including our minds.

Alan:  That too. We can see where it’s all going and food, shelter and clothing and water are essential for human life and they want to make sure in the perfect world they’re creating in their habitat areas there will be no private property. You’ll have to rent. You’ll pay for all your food and you’ll pay for every glass of water you drink; and of course if you don’t go along with it, the punishment will be the withdrawal of your credits so that you can’t pay for anything.

Jackie:  Your pings on the computer. Well, this is good news what I’m going to say that just popped in my mind because we talk about – I don’t like saying “they’re going to” because it seems to me we’re helping speak it in like it’s a given and maybe you think it is. Maybe it is, Alan, but I don’t care to be part of helping to speak it in and I’d rather say their intentions and we know how far they’ve come today. But Holland and France, in Holland there was a 67 percent ‘no’ vote for the European Constitution and of course France also and these are the people out there. It seems like there’s a wakening happening, Alan.

Alan:  I don’t see it the same way.

Jackie:  Don’t you?

Alan:  I was in Europe when all that stuff was going on the last time and I can remember Britain voting no to join the union three times and they said well regardless you’re getting it anyway and the same with most the other countries. Whatever is happening today, there’s another motive behind it and I think what they’re doing is bringing on a form of chaos.

Jackie:  But this isn’t the government voting. It’s the people voting.

Alan:  Yes, but you know the governments can manipulate votes anyway they wish, because they can tell you whatever results they want to, and so I think they’re intentionally stirring up something because they do want some chaos on so that they can put the new laws through and speed things up that way.

Jackie:  They have to have the opposition to make the change.

Alan:  See that’s their religion. It’s the “law of nature” as they call it; and by nature, they mean spring, fall, summer, winter. It’s using at least two sides for opposition to create a third, which is the outcome.

Jackie:  The third way.

Alan:  The third way and that’s what they’ve always done you see. Something else is going on over there because these guys remember started the program and the bureaucracies up in 1948 to unite Europe, but they never admitted that to the public until it was all achieved, so they’re not likely to throw it out the window now.

Jackie:  Like Vicente Fox and George Bush and Paul Martin restructured a continent in an afternoon on March 23rd while Terri Schiavo was being murdered in plain sight in front of the whole world.

Alan:  That’s right. That’s what they did. Of course, one day you wake up and some how it all changed and it’s here and you say well how did it get here?  However, there are big forces working towards all of this and the media of course being an arm of government – in fact, the media is essential to government to keep us all busy and distracted and worried and so on. The media isn’t going to come out and tell the public the truth. It’s amazing how many authors come out from the media after the goal of any particular part has been achieved. They all come out with their books after it’s done, which meant they knew it all along but they didn’t tell the public.

Winston Churchill boasted about this during World War II that they’d unite Europe. It’s so odd you see. There’s your right and left again. There was Hitler going to unite Europe and there was Churchill. The only opposition they really had in a peacetime situation was the general public in every country that wouldn’t go for it, so they gave us a war you see and achieved it anyway. This is typical of the strategy they use. Something else is going on in Holland right now and France.

Jackie:  Something else. You mean that we don’t know about?

Alan:  We’ll eventually see it, whether they want some kind of restructuring after a students riot or something, but there’s something else behind it. Something they want.

Jackie:  Well, you know what? That makes sense because it’s like the article that I told you about last evening. It was in the Philadelphia Enquirer about fluoride and the dangers of fluoride. How it destroys kidneys and bones and why do we have this in our drinking water? The Philadelphia Enquirer is a big newspaper and very widely read and then there was the man that gave the talk on 9/11 at that university in Wisconsin and then C-Span picked it up. On at least two occasions I caught it the second time around and this man pulled no punches. It wasn’t one of those “oh, there was government forewarning and the government didn’t do anything. The FBI knew but they didn’t do anything,” et cetera. He laid it out and basically said this was an insider job and this was on C-Span twice and I sat there and I listened. You know your ears get really tuned and you can hear the littlest hook and I heard no hooks, Alan, and I thought my God, why is C-Span doing this? Twice. They didn’t just do it once. They did it twice. But it’s as you said. What they might be doing with this fluoride article, maybe it is testing the waters to see if anybody even responds or reacts to it.

Alan:  It could be.

Jackie:  I mean the thing is, why is it mandated to be in our water systems and it was a lengthy article.

Alan:  And I wonder how much we actually have had so far?

Jackie:  I don’t know. Now see, that makes me question. Now I get excited when it looks like a lot of people are standing up and speaking out. That looks to me like an awakening. That’s why I said that, but when the controlled media is saying this stuff it gets very confusing. What in the world are they up to?  It was just like – do you know after GW on the afternoon of the eve of Purim announced that we were going to “go to war with Iraq” the New York Times and the New York Post began printing articles about how he lied and all the lies that were told to justify going to war. Now this is two years ago and I thought what are they doing here? Because these are the same creatures that put him into office and I thought well maybe they’re going to take him down, but they haven’t, and they printed all that stuff.

Alan:  I know. In Canada here they did show on the CBC part of the supposed inquiry into the Iraq war and Bush was sitting along with Powell and a few other ones and they asked the question about the reasons for his attacking Iraq and the fact that there was no connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 bombing, and he said I never claimed that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11. He admitted that, but of course the same media and the Canadian government again, the CBC television, showed polls done in the U.S. that two years after 9/11 the media had convinced the public that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for 9/11; but there was the president admitting that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with it at the actual inquiries.

Jackie:  But like you said, people are losing their memories.

Alan:  They are losing memory. He did admit it. In fact, he justified it by saying “the world’s better off without this tyrant.” That’s how he justified the war.

Jackie:  Without this tyrant.And I’ll tell you on the internet, probably 29 out of 30 articles that you get about anything, there’s always that thing in there. For example, yes, it’s true. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and he shouldn’t have been in power, however, so the big lie is Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and yet he’s the man we saw standing in front of a crowd of people talking and when he finished besides the jeering and yelling they were all firing their guns. In the book on Saddam Hussein the government actually gave the guns to the people for self-defense.

Alan:  In fact on again the CBC prelude to the war, they showed that all the private gun shops in Iraq were open up to the start of the invasion and they were selling their guns very, very cheaply to everybody, every civilian.

Jackie:  The people who didn’t have them?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And you know if somebody’s hated that bad a “tyrant” they’re not going to stand – I mean even if he was wearing a whole of body armor, his head and face was – you know underneath his uniform he might have been protected, but his head and face wasn’t protected and that was right on CNN.

Alan:  Winston Churchill talked about Iraq before World War II and he said that Iraq is going to be very, very important in the future because of the vast quantities of oil in the north. He said that will be a future battleground. Again, if you go back to H.G. Wells, who was a propagandist for the British government, in “The Shape of Things to Come” he said there would be two world wars and then a final third one. He said two with Germany, by the way, before the first one happened, and he said the third one will start in Basra, which is Basra, Iraq. These guys have had this agenda up their sleeves for over 100 years, probably a lot longer. People forget already that Saddam Hussein in his eyes he was taking back Kuwait which had been part of old Persia before Britain divided up the land after World War I.

Jackie:  Yes and England did that, didn’t it?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And not only – maybe it would have been left alone but while Iraq was involved in that war with Iran and then you find out when you read the book on Saddam Hussein. While the U.S. was actually – what do you call supporting Iran in that war to keep it going and while they were doing that Kuwait was drilling underneath at an angle and drilling oil — sucking oil out of actually Iraq territory, and that was what Saddam Hussein said, you guys stop it.

Alan:  It was in the papers at the time and Papa Bush, that was his first major job for the big boys was to set up the oil fields in Kuwait.

Jackie:  We’re at the bottom of the hour and we’re going to take a commercial break here, folks, and I hope you will get your pen in hand.

Alan:  Hello. We’re back again and I have three books for sale concerning not just the New World Order. This is an old world order which simply keeps upgrading itself to the next part and I’ve got 1 2 and 3 just completed and I’ll be putting more out this week. If anyone wants them, [see www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information], and I’ll get them out as fast as I can.  They do go through a lot of the history of this system and that’s what it is. It’s a system which has been running this world for thousands of years, building empires and destroying empires as it goes along. Now we’ve reached the time when they’re building the final empire, the world empire, and they’re going to reshape the whole planet in the image they’ve created for it, which is basically based on economics and if you don’t have a function or they have no function for you, you simply will not be allowed to exist.

Jackie:  I’m here Alan, but you go right ahead.

Alan:  I’ve just finished.

Jackie:  Well, you said this is the final one.

Alan:  It’s the final one for this phase of it it’s taking.

Jackie:  Right. Becausethey’ve been here before and maybe not to the extent that they are right now as you’ve said, but as you’ve said, too, they’re not going to be successful. It doesn’t mean that there isn’t going to be terrible chaos and heartache et cetera, but it doesn’t mean that they’re going to be successful.

Alan:  What I watch for is not people fighting or Holland or France complaining or stopping or saying no. What I watch is for the elite starting to fight amongst themselves, because that will be the sign that their pyramid is going to start crumbling. Because these people you have to understand have been bred for their purpose. That’s why there so intent on not just interbreeding but specialized breeding for specific traits, just like pedigree animals or domesticated animals are bred for specific tendencies. These people are bred to rule basically. They don’t have compassion as we know it and they’re heartless, but what they also have in common is an addiction to total power. They want power. The Joe Average doesn’t want power over anything but these people want power over everything and they all want it; and now that they see this throne of the world, this philosopher king as they call it, the throne is getting set up basically. There’s only one seat for this philosopher king and they all want to be occupying it, and that’s when they will start fighting amongst themselves.

Jackie:  And I have read – this has been even in the last few years that they’re already bickering and fighting amongst themselves.

Alan:  They try and cover it up as best they can because they must give a semblance of order to the people, but these people are ruthless when it comes to power and the sharks can all feed on other creatures as long as there’s lots of other creatures around; but once they’re penned in themselves into that little top group where they all want positions, that’s when they start feeding on each other and that’s when the trouble starts.

Jackie:  Folks, I’ve got the phone number here for you. What I went and did was found my catalogue for the Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. There are other catalogues out there that have non-hybrid seeds and non-GM seeds. This one I use. I love this catalogue. There is just about nothing that you would not want to grow that you couldn’t find in this catalogue and they actually have them listed for what parts of the country they’re good. Even for example in the Deep South, a particular type of tomato that grows well there et cetera and this is Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. They’re in Virginia and their website is SouthernExposure.com if you want to get a hold of them. You can get their address when you call them and I urge you – well, I’m not going to urge you I guess because you’re going to do it if you’re going to do it or not. I don’t care if you live in the city. You can turn your backyard into a garden, folks, and I know I’m taking us back off the trail that we were on and back to this food thing, but where there is a will there is a way. If you live in the city. If you live in an apartment.

You know there are people who are doing this in cities getting permission if you would from the city or the township or whatever if you don’t have the space to do a garden and they’re doing gardening collectively. I hate to use that word but that’s what they’re doing and where there is a will there is a way, but today we just have no idea what we’re eating. What we’re drinking when we buy food at the grocery stores today and you know I’ve been buying lettuce. I love salads and I get lettuce and I just – Alan, that lettuce will stay without wilting or rusting for weeks.

 

Alan:  I know someone in the area telling me he knows someone who had a tomato that sat on the window ledge for months and it took almost eight months before it starting drying out.

Jackie:  Well, let me tell you something. There’s a tomato at the grocery store now. I don’t know that I’ve seen it lately but I haven’t look and you know what it says? Please don’t refrigerate our beautiful tomatoes. Now this is a beautiful looking tomato on the outside, but probably besides the minerals that you would get from a tomato grown in good sound nutritious earth. Vitamin C dissipates at room temperature and so therefore in the first place how in the world could you keep a tomato without keeping it refrigerated for any length of time? But even the lettuce and anything we eat and you know I was reading that article to our listeners last week about aspartame, by God it’s in all kinds of things. It’s in all kinds of prepared foods. The same as the MSG (monosodium glutamate) and it’s a killer.

Alan:  And they know that too.

Jackie:  Yes, of course they do and I don’t think I ever got to the article on MSG additive in food. They mask the name of it. Some of the things will say “no MSG added” and it’s because the MSG is already in it, but also when you see an ingredient that says “hydrolyzed vegetable protein” – now that sounds pretty innocent, doesn’t it? I don’t know what the heck hydrolyzed means but vegetable protein. It’s another name for monosodium glutamate and evidentially the word is getting out because Lilly found on the internet a bill that was actually passed here in Pennsylvania that is mandating that restaurants list on their menus foods that MSGs are being added to because MSG first of all of course it has no nutrients. But they say that it causes obesity and in the article that I have here that I intended and I don’t think I got to it, when they’re studying rats let’s say for an example. An example was used they want to study diabetes and they need to have a fat rat. Well, rats aren’t fat naturally so they inject them with MSG. They inject them with MSG and get their fat rats and not only that, but the FDA has put no limits on how much they use. It’s in everything and they listed – I mean you can list all the restaurants but some of the – well, like McDonald’s and Kentucky Fried and et cetera, et cetera, they say that it’s actually addictive and it makes people eat more.

Alan:  It’s a war on the people. It’s no surprise to us, but it’s a complete war on the people where you make them malnourished. You can be very obese but still malnourished because your body is craving things and you can cram all this stuff down you, but it ends up in fat and you’re still tired and lethargic and so on. However, that’s they type of population you would want when you’re bringing them through massive changes.

Jackie:  Yes it is, isn’t it?

Alan:  Now I think it was Rumsfeld that had got that thing through for aspartame?

Jackie:  I don’t know.

Alan:  Rumsfeld, remember, was director for the Searle Company, which is a subsidiary of Monsanto. The Searle Company’s main specialties for the last 40 years has been in the area of psychiatric drugs, so that makes perfect sense to me that it’s a form of warfare.

Jackie:  You know what I saw on the weather channel? You know how they advertise all these drugs? If you’re afraid to go outside or socialize, they call it something-disorder. Social-something disorder. They call it SAD. They have a drug for everything of course and then they do the side effects real fast so that you can’t even hardly hear them. Well anyway, they were advertising some drug, another drug, and then they started talking about he Merck patient assistance program and they gave an 800 number. In fact I wrote it down. I’ve got it out there on the kitchen counter and I called it but they just had a message on it because you have to call them between like 8 and 5, but if you need Merck medication and you can’t afford it and you don’t have insurance you get a hold of them and they have a patient assistance program. They’re pretty lenient because if you make less that $19,000 a year as an individual you can qualify and then they go on to say $36,000 for a family et cetera. But even if you are above those figures there will be special – they’ll consider, in other words, so you get to get your Merck medications.

Alan:  Well, I’m sure there’s a government backing program that will pay it back to them. They won’t lose on it. I mean the government is tied at the hip with big business. In fact most of these – like Rumsfeld, he was the director for Searle Company, which is part of Monsanto.

Jackie:  Searle, where are they headquartered?

Alan:  They have branches in the states and in Canada.

Jackie:  They’re here in the states and that’s medicine and they’re connected with – it’s a subsidiary of Monsanto.

Alan:  They work with Monsanto because they are a part of Monsanto really. They worked with them to create the modified food; and as I keep saying, why would a company that specialized in psychiatric drugs, why on earth would they be involved in making your food? That should raise alarms everywhere.

Jackie:  Sure. It would make me want to start a garden.

Alan:  And know as you say where the seed comes from.

Jackie:  Oh, and by the way, I don’t think I told our listeners this. I might have a lovely tomato here that a lady in New York, a Mennonite lady, gave Chuck about three years ago and this tomato it over-filled my hand. He got talking to her and come to find out she listened to Sweet Liberty and we had been doing a whole probably two weeks on the food and gardening and she gave him the tomato and said give this to Jackie, it is a Mennonite heritage tomato and tell her to save the seeds. Well, I did but you know the floods that we’ve had I was concerned because my tomatoes even though some grew but they all started getting the blossom end rot and stuff from all the rain. I sent Southern Exposure the seeds and they grew the tomatoes last year and they’re offering the seeds to their customers and it is a beautiful, beautiful tomato. When you call that number, folks, to get the catalogue, if you look in the ’95 catalogue you’ll see it listed under tomatoes and the tomatoes are about a pound a piece and they’re beautiful and you can use them for anything. You can do anything with them. You can make – they are supposed to be a pasta tomato. Of course, they’re delicious eating but you can can them. You can make your pasta sauce with them. You can do everything with them. The website is SouthernExposure.com and almost everything in there – I don’t think they have any hybrids. I know no GM but they might have hybrids but if they do, it’s listed as a hybrid. Some of their seeds in there are 80, 90 over 100 years old and to me that is just beautiful.

Alan:  That’s what people are going to have to do because it’s only common sense in this day and age that you do it. You have no option.

Jackie:  Yes, you do have options, don’t you?  Surely we all have options. I think options are called choices, yes?

Alan:  That’s right because we know what’s going on. There’s enough information out really about all this stuff, even for the average person to get a hold of, so it’s common sense what to do.

Jackie:  Especially people who have children, Alan. It would be different – children don’t have the choices. Children are subject to the choices their parents make and to have children and know this and have an opportunity or even if it’s tough to be able to grow healthy food. Learn how to can. Learn how to dry. Learn how to preserve. Probably freezing is our last choice in case you lose your electricity and stuff, but I freeze stuff just for the time being. I can also, but to not do that, to not want to give your children the very best you can give them, to me it makes no sense at all. It just makes no sense at all to just ignore it and just pretend, you know, shove it out of your mind.

Alan:  As you say, it’s the children with everything look to their parents to advise them; and if they parents don’t know themselves, then the children think that “oh, I’ll just copy my parents.” That’s the natural way of things.

Jackie:  There are parents who know and I think you called it willful ignorance.Actually, it goes beyond willful ignorance because willful ignorance would be “oh don’t tell me. I don’t want to know,” but once you know it, Alan, how could you not?

Alan:  It’s a choice once again of being double-minded in that they still want to believe the people – the experts you see. The society of experts that guide us you see. They want to believe that they’d never do anything so nasty to the public, so therefore it must be okay even though the evidence is out there that it’s not. They’d rather believe the experts you see. It’s a choice. It makes them feel better because if they have to wake up and say wait a minute, these experts are all lying to us, here’s the evidence, then they’d have to start questioning everything and they don’t want to start that journey.

Jackie:  You know what though? I don’t think people would be listening to this broadcast if they didn’t want to know.

Alan:  There’s that section of society who already know what to do.

Jackie:  Okay. So then those who are listening and do know, then it behooves them. Folks, it doesn’t it? It behooves you to do something about it and if you’ve never made a garden there’s nothing more fulfilling and satisfying than to plant a seed, watch it grow, tend it nuture it and harvest it and know that you’re giving your family the best you can give them, even if it’s only yourself. Even if you don’t have children, for God’s sake. Eat a carrot and get your hepatitis B vaccine – I’ve got articles here that sometimes when I bring my email up I walk away after reading some of this stuff. I walk away kind of bummed out for a while because there’s so much that we don’t even have the time to talk about. I don’t think you have to talk about every tinny, tiny little detail to get the point across do you?At least we shouldn’t have to.

Alan:  No. I mean plants have been used for thousands of years for creating drugs, and to modify food you’re modifying a plant and they’ve already admitted they can if they wish make that plant produce anything they want it to produce. When they say they can do it, you can bet your bottom dollar they are doing it. That’s all you really have to know.

Jackie:  And eating GM modified food, then that would mean that the body is being modified.

Alan:  Absolutely. Re-engineered.

Jackie:  Yes, and to remind our listeners, I did this only it’s been a couple of years ago and for those of you who haven’t heard it, a report that I read on – this particular one was potatoes. Feeding them to rats. GM Potatoes. The rats stomach lining thickened. The arteries thickened. The immune system was depressed and when they took the rat off the potatoes and started giving them a healthy diet, they could not reverse the damage. They couldn’t reverse the damage, so it’s time. Alan, thank you for being with us tonight.

Alan:  It’s a pleasure.

Alan Watt on

“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru

June 13, 2005

Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Monday. It is the 13th of June in the year 2005. Half of June is over already. We went from having I guess about 2-1/2 weeks maybe 3 weeks of 50 and 60-degree weather, when we should have been having 70s and the last, I don’t know how long, week, week and a half.  I don’t know long this has been going on. It’s in the 90s folks and it is just absolutely outrageous. I think it’s called weather modification is what it’s called. Anyway, I guess that’s how it is. It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature, is it? I don’t know if know if you remember that old commercial but that’s what I keep thinking about. Our guest this evening is Alan Watt. Alan, thanks for being here once again.

Alan:  Yes. It’s a pleasure.

Jackie:  Folks, Steve Jacobsen was on with us last Tuesday and Wednesday and the topic the new world religion. Alan and I had conversations later about it and he was actually filling in more information and so I asked him to come on with us tonight. I thought that it would be relevant to pick it up and let Alan take us further into this so we get a really absolutely clear look at the dangers of the people that they are soaking into their games. Their dangerous games and we were talking specifically about Benny Hinn, but there’s a whole group of them, yes Alan?

Alan:  There’s a lot of them, some superstars amongst them, though, and that’s the key is the superstars who’ve been risen up there by the old unseen hands that decide to give us the shepherds that we’re supposed to follow and of course Benny Hinn is only one of them. The CBC television, the two separate exposés–

Jackie:  That’s the Canadian Broadcasting?

Alan:  Yes. They did two one hour specials on them and–

Jackie:  What do they call these guys?  There’s a word for this.

Alan:  There’s a lot of words for them.

Jackie:  I mean ones we can say on the radio. What kind of religion do they call this?

Alan:  Charismatic, which is basically hypnotic.

Jackie: You know General Ben Parton? Do you remember him? He was the guy that came out there after the Oklahoma City bombing. Ben Parton was a charismatic. He was all involved in that. A bunch of them are.

Alan:  Yes, I’m not surprised because it’s a fantastic mind control formula that they’ve got down pat.

Jackie:  Yes, but I think Ben Parton was one of theirs.

Alan:  Oh, no doubt. That’s what Albert Pike said, “We always give them their leaders,” and that’s for every side. They give you subdivisions, so there’s a leader out there for your particular personality type.

Jackie:  You were going to go into this two-part thing that the CBC had.

Alan:  They did special on Benny Hinn and the reason they started this investigation into Benny Hinn was because there was a pastor in the U.S. who had polio when he was young, and I think he now has leg braces, but he had gone to Benny Hinn hoping to get up on stage and be cured. That’s the whole trick of this thing is the curing. However, what he found out was there is a whole team of experts in the audience working for him and they pick out the ones who are allowed upon the stage and they must not have any obvious physical disabilities. If you’re in a wheelchair or on crutches or whatever, you don’t get up there on the stage. That way they can pick people who have lots of other problems but you can’t see what it is.

Jackie:  You mean like pretend they’re blind or pretend they’re deaf or something like that?

Alan:  Yes, or they’ve got cancer or a tumor or something and a lot of them do but they’ve been diagnosed. However, physically you can’t see anything wrong with them and of course it’s strange too because Jesus is supposed to have made people rise up when he cured them; whereas Benny Hinn knocks them down. He knocks them down and of course they’re all trained to fall down because there are charismatic Christians who’ve watched this all their lives. When he puts out his hand they all fall down like dominoes, but it’s the hypnotic technique. They’re already preconditioned to that technique by being brought up in charismatic churches, so when it happens to them they immediately fall down as though they were in a trance.

Jackie:  Well, there is always somebody there to catch them.

Alan:  Yes, let’s hope so.

Jackie:  No, there is.

Alan:  The thing is, the CBC did a follow-up to those people who had been up on stage. Some people had AIDS, cancers and so on, and out of the ones who are still alive they were dying.

Jackie:  In other words, are you saying those, not just professionals who were there to assist him, but actually people that came up that had AIDS and stuff, they actually fell down too?

Alan:  They fall down too because as I say they’re mainly charismatic Christians that have being brought up in the church and so when something happens to them, they don’t go to the doctor often, or if they do go to the doctor, but they still believe the next thing to Jesus being Benny Hinn is going to cure them.

Jackie:  Do they pass out or what happens to them?

Alan:  Some pass out. Some just fall down with their eyes open and I guess they wait for their queues to get up. However, it’s the follow-ups that are really important because most of them – when someone is really seriously ill the relatives will pay to no end the money to try and get them better; and Benny Hinn, of course, in his audience, they pass around 5-gallon buckets and just stuff them with money and checks and so on and he takes credit cards too. He earns over $220 million a year. That’s what he brings in, his organization, so he’s doing pretty well for himself. The CBC, when they challenged him, when they eventually managed to get to him, the actual camera crew, when they found him coming into a hotel they challenged him on the follow-ups that they had done on some of the people that he supposedly cured and had even written about curing in his own magazine. It was all lies because they had followed them up and found out they were dying or dead.

Jackie:  Did he respond to them?

Alan:  Well, he of course couldn’t remember the names or whatever or tried to sluff it off by asking them to come back and make an appointment with him and talk to him, which he never did.  In a sense you can see in the audience, the type of audience that he attracts, that he’s got a ready-made market because people actually want to see the showmanship. This tremendous Hollywood stage-managed showmanship and they want so badly to believe that he has a special power that God’s given him. They are willing fools you might say. They’re conditioned victims already waiting to be used by people like Benny Hinn.

Jackie:  The danger that was pointed out by Steve Jacobsen last week when he was watching is that they’ve got this whole on TBN. They’ve got this whole world prayer network or world prayer team or whatever they call it and he said they are totally promoting the world agenda. The UN and Israel et cetera, et cetera and they’ve got all these people praying the same prayer.

Alan:  Sure. Well, that’s what sheep do. They follow the shepherd and they’ve all been trained since birth to be good sheep. That’s what religion truly is all about, you know.

Jackie:  Okay, I know and I know that you have said this before. It occurs to me we could have new listeners and the first thought in their mind would be well that’s what Jesus said that he was there for the lost sheep and the Lord is my shepherd et cetera, et cetera.  I remember you saying I don’t believe he ever called anybody sheep because they’re the dumbest animal there is.

Alan:  You can’t get much dumber.

Jackie:  But that the staff, the crook that the “shepherd” carries, you explained that there’s actually the depictions of the pharaohs.Okay, so just expand on that just a little.

Alan:  Well, from the earliest times even the statues that they uncovered in Babylon with the king in Babylon and the pharaohs of Egypt, you’ll often seen them depicted holding in one hand, with their arms crossed in front of them in front of their chest, and one hand holds a small crook, which is the shepherd’s crook. That’s so that you can pull the sheep if they’re going the wrong way, so that’s the gentle hand, but it’s still used to get them to go in the direction you want them to go in. Of course in the other hand, he’s got the rod and that’s for the sheep that are a bit more stubborn and more individualistic. He’s supposed to bash that down on your head. That’s what the rod and the staff are for.

Jackie:  The rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Alan:  That’s a beautiful song of an abused victim because that’s what it would have to be. Of course, that’s what organized religion has always been about is controlling the people so that a few can benefit at the top over the expense of the majority. However, these shysters in the charismatic movement obviously are allowed to do what they’re doing by “The Establishment,” which is a term I always use for the real government behind the governments, and I’m sure they must give their kickbacks to their bosses above them for being allowed to scam the public this way. Because this whole system we live in is totally corrupt. Now Benny Hinn, when he was followed around by this camera crew, he took off to Europe supposedly to go on some crusade, but they followed him from one hotel to another. Now these hotels, some of the rooms cost about $5,000 or more a night per person. They were the most expensive in Europe and he would get the best rooms and they all have fancy names like Sir so-and-so or Lord so-and-so’s room and he was giving $1,000 tips to people and waiters and so on in these restaurants and that’s where the money is going.

Jackie:  To live a lavish lifestyle.

Alan:  Yes, given by the poor and the sick and the needy, some of them whom actually, as they showed on the CBC documentary, there was one couple in particular whose son was dying of something. I think it was leukemia or cancer of some kind. Anyway, they sold their home and given all their money to Benny Hinn and moved into a one-roomed apartment so that Benny Hinn could take the money and cure the son, and they showed you his routine on the stage with the son and when they went back a few months later the son was dead and the parents of course were totally broke.

Jackie:  I only saw him one time. I stumbled across him one night. I stumbled across TBN I guess because there was Benny Hinn and he was fascinating to watch because he was so slick. I watched maybe 15 minutes, but does he actually tell these people that the more money you give me the quicker – I mean how does he get people to give him so much money?

Alan:  It’s the conditioning. As I say, they’re preconditioned for these shysters by the religion itself and they’re told constantly over and over that if you give you will receive, and the more you give of course the more you’re supposed to receive. That only works for bankers who give out loans and it doesn’t work in real life for real people. They give everything that they have believing the Lord will truly bless them and cure their offspring or whoever and somehow it will be all right like some Hollywood movie. Now one of the Masonic jokes – they’re sick jokes but it’s true as well, has to do with the fact that all of our language is a Masonic language. It’s constructed that way and the word “spirit,” which is about the only word they’ve really given us to describe that yearning we have inside for something beyond you, which you know is out there somewhere. Spirit is also the term used for alcohol, so when you’re full of the spirit you’re drunk with the spirit; and these people have been trained to be drunk with the spirit and when they’re like that, they’re not thinking logically. Their hands are in the air. They’re going back and forth in a hypnotic movement and they’re listening to these shysters who have professional lighting teams all over the theatres, professional music players, instrumentalists and so on. It’s a Hollywood production par excellence.

Jackie:  You have a couple of videos and you have some excerpts. Are you going to share those with our listeners tonight?

Alan:  I could actually. I’ll see if it will work.

Jackie:  You know what would be a good idea to do? Play just about four or five seconds of it and then stop it so then I can tell you if we can hear it good, okay?

Alan:  Okay.

Jackie:  But Alan, before, because he’s got – oh, first of all. You had told me that he was a Jew and I mentioned that when Steve Jacobsen was on and he said no he’s a Palestinian Catholic and that’s what people say that he says he is.

Alan:  Well, here’s the bottom line. The CBC did a documentary partly because Benny Hinn also had Canadian citizenship and on his Canadian citizenship he said that he was born in Tel-Aviv, Israel.

Jackie:  So that would make him–

Alan:  Jewish.

Jackie:  In other words, he couldn’t have been a Palestinian born in Tel-Aviv?

Alan:  No. You wouldn’t get a birth certificate as a citizen unless you’re Jewish.

Jackie:  Yes, I read that, that the Palestinians today there can’t even get their birth certificates.

Alan:  So it’s up in the air as to actually what he is, but really it doesn’t matter. The fact is he sits up there with the Bush’s and the rest. They’re all oil-men, slick as can be.

Jackie:  Okay. Let me ask you this. Can Americans have like Canadians have dual citizenship in America?

Alan:  I don’t know about America, but I know for the last few years because we are going into the global society – actually, for the last maybe even 20 years, people have been allowed dual citizenship here in Canada with anywhere.

Jackie:  Anywhere?

Alan:  I don’t know about the U.S. but everywhere else in Europe.

Jackie:  I know that it’s okay for Israelis – in other words, the Israeli’s can have citizenship in the U.S. and Israel but I don’t know of any others, but I shouldn’t say that so maybe it is okay in the U.S. too and I just don’t know it.

Alan:  They’re always upgrading the laws but I do know as I say that Canada has been giving dual citizenships to everybody that’s come in for donkey’s years now from anywhere and that’s part of the globalization structure.

Jackie:  Before you turn this on, tell them what they’re going to be hearing so when they hear it they’ll hear it because he’s got that accent.

Alan:  When he starts talking quickly his accent become thicker, but the first little blurb that he does I think is about–

Jackie:  He wants gold.

Alan:  He wants gold, yes, and he said I don’t want to hear about gold in heaven. He says I want it now. I want it here and now he said.  I’ll see if this plays.

 

Benny Hinn:  I said if you don’t like them kill them. I really wish I could find them and I wish God would give me a holy ghost machine gun. I’d blow your head off. I’m sick and tired of hearing how it used to be back four years ago. I got so sick of it. I said, Lord, if I hear this one more time I’m going to throw up. I want to see it now. I’m sick and tired of hearing about streets of gold. I don’t need gold in heaven. I’ve got to have it now.

Alan:  Did you here that?

Jackie:  Yes. And what was he talking about, a holy machine gun?

Alan:  Yes. He was talking about the people who complain about him and he said he wished he had a holy ghost machine gun so he could mow them all down. He also said, you parents – this is not in this part of it but it’s on the same tape. He said, “and you parents, if you’re criticizing me, you better watch your children.” This is like a mafia boss talking and yet he’s up there. He’s one of “God’s chosen.”

Jackie:  Are you going to play the rest of it?

Alan:  I’ll play the same part again and then let you hear the rest. There’s only a couple of other blurbs, then you hear his wife at the end who’s a real sweetheart you know. She probably weighs three times as much as he does.

Jackie:  You said she looks like a dominatrix or something?

Alan:  Well, she could do as a Sherman tank as she stomps up and down that stage there with the microphone in her hand giving her spiel. This is the thing again where he’s talking about the holy ghost and the machine gun.

Benny Hinn:  I said if you don’t like them kill them. I really wish I could find them and I wish God would give me a holy ghost machine gun. I’d blow your head off. I’m sick and tired of hearing how it used to be back four years ago. I got so sick of it. I said, Lord, if I hear this one more time I’m going to throw up. I want to see it now. I’m sick and tired of hearing about streets of gold. I don’t need gold in heaven. I’ve got to have it now. I’ve got to have it here. You say, well, maybe isn’t that wonderful to have gold, streets of gold; well of course, but if I hear the thing one more time of how it will be and how it was, I’m going to kick somebody.

Mrs. Hinn: [inaudible] You know what you need? You need a holy ghost enema right up your rear end.”

Alan:  There you go, so that’s show business for you.

Jackie:  A holy ghost enema up your rear end, and the people go for this.

Alan:  Oh, they go wild over it. It’s all superb stagemanship when he comes on with his white suit, very expensive, and people won’t go to see anybody who wore rags because they’re trained that to be successful then God has blessed you, so you don’t want to go to a poor person. You want to go and see a rich person and so he has the $5,000 or $10,000 suits.

Jackie:  In other words, if you’re poor then you’ve done something wrong?

Alan:  That’s it. God hasn’t blessed you, you see. That’s the Judaic element that’s crept into Christianity.

Jackie:  Yes, because Jesus said not to store up your treasure here on earth.

Alan:  He had this gold jewelry from his wrists and all this kind of thing, which must mean he’s very, very blessed and I guess he is in that sense.

Jackie:  And they’re doing this all over the world?

Alan:  They tour all over the world and as I say the CBC did work out what his finances were for the year, according to statements he made in his own magazines, and they said it came to $220 million income that one year alone.

Jackie:  And that’s from people donating.

Alan:  Mainly from the people again who have been brought up to truly believe this and they’re losing someone through disease and they give everything that they have. These characters are basically psychopaths.

Jackie:  I understand that Brother Stair isn’t on WWCR anymore.

Alan:  I don’t know. I think he’s still on the air somewhere.

Jackie:  Oh, okay. Then I can’t say anything because I was going to say something. I thought he was off.

Alan:  He might be off that station but I do know he’s somewhere.

Jackie:  Well, you know that one clip that Steven played last week, Benny Hinn was talking about the TBN that miracles were going to happen and that people would actually be resurrected from the dead and that they would wheel their – and he says not just my program but all the TBN programming, and people would wheel their dead loved ones in in their coffins. They would leave the coffin in front of the television with TBN on four 24 hours and then they would take the hand of their loved one, place it on this television and their loved one would rise from the dead. Then Paul [Prouch] and whoever else he was talking to, you could hear them going “amen. Praise God. Praise the Lord” all this stuff. But he says not so much in the U.S. it wasn’t going to happen. He actually said that. He said that all over the world this would be happening and I looked up when I went into that world prayer team, Bill Bright, I know he’s a big one and he’s a member of the Council for National Policy; but it says here with his the Campus Crusade for Christ, it says he has more than 16,000 full-time staff and 101,000 trained volunteers in 161 countries.

Alan:  I can believe it. There’s no end to the power that they have. It’s understandable since religion is a technique. It’s a science and it’s well understood and it has been here for thousands and thousands of years and these guys know how to use it. It’s all based on formula and the only precondition you really need is to brainwash at least one generation into the belief of it, and then it’s an open field there. That’s an open market for the shysters.

Jackie:  And the military is now promoting it.

Alan:  That makes sense because they’re both armies in a way. They both use similar techniques where you lose your individuality and you’re told to be part of the church or the army or the group. That’s what you’re trained to do, to lose your actual distinct personality and follow orders of course.

Jackie:  Alan, it comes down to this when you think about it. They preach that in the end times it’s going to be a holy war. In fact, George Bush has called this a holy war, this never-ending war in the Middle East against Islam and Christianity. You think about it, if these young people going into the military are getting this type of religion crammed into them, they’ll go fight just because in their minds and hearts they’ll believe that they’re fighting a holy war for Christ.

Alan:  It was done on the Crusades. It was the same techniques.

Jackie:  My, my. We’re ready to take our half break.

Alan:  Hello Jackie? I think we’re back on the air. Well, this is Alan here and what I’ll do in the meantime, if Jackie isn’t there, is I’ll advertise my three books I’m selling here which go through freemasonry and religion. I give you a lot of the origins of both and the third one I’ve just finished I go through a lot of the esoteric meanings of Christianity and Revelations as I don’t think it’s been done before, at least not publicly, and I also go into the banking system in ancient times and how through banking they took over the world. If you want any one of these books [see www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information] and I’ll get them out as soon as I can to you. Thank you very much.

Jackie:  Thanks Alan. I had printed out a thing. Well, I thought I did, but before the broadcast and then when I went over to get it I found out in that storm when I shut off the surge protector I had shut off the printer too. Is there more that you want to say about this?

Alan:  The charismatic movements?

Jackie:  Yes.

Alan:  Well, it’s really fairly simple. They have conditioned many, many people into the charismatic movement. Lots were brought up in it. You can actually trace it all the way back to ancient Egypt because you’ll see many depictions of the followers of Aton the sun god with their arms up in the air and of course it’s the same thing there. They move from left to right as though they were in a breeze and the high priests would talk over the crowds in a hypnotic manner. The technique is ancient and techniques are not lost. They’re simply carried from one place to the next and these characters are taught from childhood, like Benny Hinn, how to use these techniques in hypnotizing the public and fleecing the sheep – and it’s all perfectly legal, technically. It’s maybe immoral, but technically it’s very legal and so they get away with it.

Jackie:  I realized this from talking to people how difficult it is for people to separate the old from the new, if you would, testament and the God of the Old Testament and if you used the word Jehovah they say well that’s not the right name, the right name is Yahweh and you know that’s the breath, Yah-ha-weh or something like that; and then the people who have been taken in by this Israel identity. Now there are some who will not call it Israel or Christian identity anymore. They just call it something like another kind of Christianity – I forget what they call it, a certain kind of Christianity, but it’s Israel identity and it’s part of this whole game. That there are some of our listeners who are awakening to this, don’t you think?

Alan:  There’s actually quite a lot of people out there who, through one way or another or experiences with these organizations, have started to question and it’s a big thing for them because they’ve been brought up you might say in Plato’s Cave where they relate their whole life and everything in it to Plato’s Cave, which is their church, and they don’t know the tools in fact to use to totally escape it. Their whole life experience of who they are all boils down to this idea of the relationship with Jesus, or, more correctly, with the organizational church that they’re involved in and that’s the big thing.

Jackie:  And it’s very difficult and it’s very hurtful. Of course, the ones as you said, because I’ve talked to some of our listeners who in the beginning even those sending donations say well we don’t agree with your religious beliefs but we hear your heart and we love your spirit. You know, that type of thing, but then people began saying you know what? I was wondering about this. Why did God want all those wars? Or, why this, why that?  But actually what they say is they were afraid to even question, Alan.

Alan:  That’s right because the churches have always been used by the state. It doesn’t matter if it was ancient Rome or today, the churches were used by the state as part of their political process; and whether they like it or not, organization religion is being used by the state for a political agenda. Not for individual salvation at all but for a definite preplanned political strategy.

Jackie:  Right from the get-go with Christianity in 325 AD with Constantine?

Alan:  Yes and Constantine again was the front man anyway that was put up by the bankers of his time to help get this religion established since they’ve figured out it was a winner. That’s when they gave a lot of the creed, the dogma out that didn’t exist prior to that meeting and they also basically got rid of and destroyed other dogma or material which didn’t mesh with it. They chose very carefully the parts they wanted to leave for the public consumption, but they destroyed an awful lot of other writings. For instance, the early church and the Catholic Church did admit this in the late 20th century, they did admit early Christianity wasn’t just one sect. There were many different groups just like today with differing ideas on certain parts of it and many of them believed in reincarnation, which is a standard belief in Judaism. They don’t show that in the movies of Moses and things, but that’s standard Judaism.

Jackie:  Are Jews taught that?

Alan:  Yes. That’s standard Talmudic.

Jackie:  Well, that goes back to the Eastern religions too.

Alan:  Yes, so they took that out. Actually, the second council that they had they took that out and so for over 1,500 years that part which had been a vital part of the earlier churches was simply removed from it. The reason it was removed was because if individuals who are being oppressed by the state believe in reincarnation, then they might just risk coming back a second time as an underdog by rebellion against the state; whereas if you believed you only had one lifetime and you had to be good or you went to hell, that was far more up the state’s alley you might say; and so that’s why they took it out. However, Constantine himself belonged to the cult of Mithra and even two weeks before he had his famous Council of Nicaea, he’d been elevated into the high ranks of Mithraism, which is a part of the Mystery Religion. He belonged to a few other sects as well and after he made – he didn’t make Christianity the main church of Rome. He simply elevated it up into the ranks of the ones that were already accepted. After Nicaea he had a temple built, like all the Roman emperors did, he had a temple built to himself where worshippers could go while he was still alive and worship his likeness in the temple, his statue. That’s the great Christian Constantine. There’s so much fable told about the man and yet there’s so much history available if you want to seek it out.

Jackie:  And I have read but I have never seen anything and I think you said that this could be found in the Vatican Archives in their own website, that in 520 I believe it is AD that was under Justinian that that was when they went through and took out all the references in the writings.

Alan:  That’s right and Justinian himself was a pagan.

Jackie:  Now what is a pagan?

Alan:  Meaning basically he believed in the laws of nature and philosophy.

Jackie:  Does that mean that they don’t believe in a creator?

Alan:  No, they didn’t go that far. It’s very similar in a sense to Judaism, in that they knew that no one could describe a creator, a godhead. It was too far removed from the simple mind of man.

Jackie:  But in other words, they did believe in a creator?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  So the laws of nature would be the laws of Creator?

Alan:  In other words, the only way you could find your way to the Creator was by understanding the laws of nature and observing them.

Jackie:  Okay. What are the laws of nature?

Alan:  Well, again, this is really the same mystery religion that’s behind all religions. It’s a cause and effect. They explained it in a thousand parables.

Jackie:  Well, Jesus said as you sow so shall you reap.

Alan:  That’s the same thing.

Jackie:  That’s cause and effect.

Alan:  That’s right and it’s the same kind of dogma.

Jackie:  That’s dogma?

Alan:  It was actually given to the pagans by the philosophers.

Jackie:  So you think Jesus never said that then?

Alan:  No, it’s very possible he did because it’s true too – what it means really is it’s more to do with the negative forces you unleash tend to come back on you one way or another.

Jackie:  Yes and what about the positive?

Alan:  The positive, again, it’s supposed to be like freely given. That’s the difference. The positive is supposed to be freely given. It’s like giving a gift. You don’t expect something in return.

Jackie:  It’s not that you expect it. You don’t give it expecting to get something back, but it is true that for every action there is a reaction and “as above, so below,” then what goes out returns energy. I don’t know how else to say it because I don’t know that I have a full concept of it, but that’s how I see it.

Alan:  It’s not “as above, so below.”  “As above, so below” is the mystery religion Judaic and Masonic terminology because the whole part of Revelations is a plan. It’s time plan if you understand what Revelations means and that’s what they mean. They wrote their plan in the heavens. It wasn’t a god that wrote it in the heavens, because if you look at constellations you’d be very hard pressed to say that’s definitely a goat, that’s Capricorn and there’s Gemini. You’d have to really stretch your imagination to try, but this was written many thousands of years ago. The Great Work as they call it. They wrote it. Their ancient priests wrote it in the heavens. It’s a time plan with a final conclusion for the part of this plan and of course that’s for the Age of Aquarius. They have everybody saying on the middle level “as above, so below.” What it really means is the plan above at the right times now implemented here on earth below. That’s what they mean by that. However, cause and effect are different things and sure enough, we can simply look at science in itself because through science, which really is another word for nature (the workings of nature), understanding of sciences of nature, you can then start to manipulate nature and alter it. Of course in this mystery religion comes the banks and everything else and the religions. They plan to alter that which was left imperfect, which they claim is man himself; and that’s behind every Masonic group, every theosophical group and every other group that calls itself part of a mystery religion. It’s all the same religion, but man himself eventually is to be altered except for the high priests meaning the elite those who–

Jackie:  Man is to be altered?You don’t think man has been altered?

Alan:  We’ve been engineered to an extent but they mean the final. This is to do with the grand plan or the Great Work or the Great Design or the Grand Design as they call it. It’s to do with the alteration of man himself and into the perfect being. However, they’re talking from the elites’ point of view, and by that, they mean all of the underdogs to be made into the perfect slaves where you will not simply procreate the old fashioned way. You’ll be sterile and to get another one of you they’ll simply clone you as a worker bee. That’s what they mean by that and the symbol of the beehive and the perfect society has been with them since the days of actually the Minoans had it 5,000 BC. Their symbol of the perfect society that they want to create has been the beehive and that’s something that they found in the islands the Minoans used in the Aegean Sea 5,000 BC and from there went to Egypt. It became a very popular symbol of the perfect society and of course in a beehive you have the queen who’s attended by these priests. These priest bees and then the rest of them are all workers. That’s their perfect society. If there’s too many workers, they take off or are killed off and everything is attended to by the priests. The priests even determine which ones will be workers and which ones will become priests by the type of food they alter. They change the food to suite the type.

Jackie:  Well, they’re really doing that now.

Alan:  Yes they are.

Jackie:  With all the genetic modified food. The body, in order to survive, the physical body, it just seems it would have to be being altered to be able to continue to exist with all of the food that’s being altered.

Alan:  I think prior to the 1950’s the death rate from what are now common cancers were pretty well spaced out and far and between and every year we hear about it’s now going to be one in four who’s going to get cancer. Now it’s one in three. Now it’s down to one in two. In other words, everybody is going to end up with cancer and within 50 years we think this is some sort of natural way. No, this is all through the modification of the food, the vaccinations we’re being given – which I think were designed to destroy the immune system in the very first place and we know that the Simian-40 virus definitely was in the Salk vaccine and polio vaccines. It’s only function is to create tumors.

Jackie:  I’m talking their plan to control this world including the food that we eat. The air that we breathe. The water that we drink et cetera. Every aspect of our lives. In this section where I mention food I added information on the hormones because I had quoted from what’s his name, Charles Galton Darwin (Darwin’s grandson) from his book that – Alan had sent me pages of that book “The Next Million Years” and he talks about the hormones in there and how they can change the physical body by the use of artificial hormones. I actually quoted that and yet I wasn’t quite sure what the heck he meant by it, except the part in there about the different kinds of foods and the master will not eat the same kinds of foods that the subject is subjected to.

Well, then finding out about the xenoestrogens and they call it today estrogen dominance syndrome and I found reports on it and I added that to that section. But it’s right there. It’s all right there, Alan. And the thing that I didn’t understand except I got Dr. John Ree’s book and he told – what I didn’t understand is that progesterone is sort of like a master – he didn’t call it that. In other words, in the body there’s a whole bunch of different hormones. It isn’t just estrogen, progesterone and testosterone in that without the hormones being balanced the body cannot produce the hormones necessary that function the entire body. And that’s what he said. I know he said it 50 years ago and then one of the reports I found was from Canada and they were talking about that in Canada – I think they said 37 percent of women by the time they’re 50 years old will have had–

Alan:  A hysterectomy.

Jackie:  The hysterectomies and that it’s higher than any other country in Europe, Canada is and it’s second only to the U.S. and it talks about all of the things that are happening to women. Breast cancer, cervical, uterine et cetera because of the artificial – my God, there’s 60,000 sources of xenoestrogens. It’s even in air sprays – aerosol sprays.

Alan:  And soaps and shampoos.

Jackie:  Shampoos, everything. That’s what I said. We breathe it and bathe in it and sleep in it and eat it and drink it–

Alan:  And drink their water from the plastic bottles.

Jackie:  Yes it’s amazing.

Alan:  It’s part of the agenda because if you truly understand the mysteries, you’ll find that in the future they plan they wouldn’t need women.

Jackie:  Because they’re going to have hermaphrodites?

Alan:  That’s basically it. Hermaphrodite beings. Something which they can then take from and reproduce a perfect copy. In other words, very much like a clone, but they don’t want the female species. You know the ancient high priests, we’ve got to understand–

Jackie:  Is that in your first or second book about the hermaphrodites?

Alan:  The first one I think. That’s within all their teachings if you understand them, the need eventually to eliminate the female from the species. Even Albert Pike talks about the binary code meaning one is male and zero is female. Zero is perfectly useless he said. You see, so they give you all these little clues.

Jackie:  So will the man this hermaphrodite it will be masculine feminine. It will be a perfect balance with the masculine feminine qualities even?

Alan:  It won’t have the feminine qualities so much. It won’t have the emotional qualities because they look on emotion as chaos. In fact that’s the term when they mean Order out of Chaos. They’re actually talking about emotion.

Jackie:  And without that, a person would be pretty dead, wouldn’t they?

Alan:  You’d be Mr. Spock.

Jackie:  And without emotion, then you would not feel love and anybody who cannot love is walking dead.

Alan:  Yes and you’ll allow anything to happen if it seems logical. It can be anti-human but it will seem logical. In other words, if they say there’s simply too many people, let’s destroy a few million here, and no one will cry a tear over it.

Jackie:  They’re doing it today, aren’t they?

Alan:  They are.

Jackie:  Well, they are. We’re almost out of our hour here. Alan, thanks.

Alan:  It’s been a pleasure as always.

Alan Watt on

“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru

June 27, 2005

Jackie:  Ladies and gentlemen, good evening. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Monday and it is the 27th of June in the year 2005. This month is almost over with and I hope you had a nice weekend, folks, and I hope you’re doing some gardening. I told you last week that I believed that Alan’s books were on the way and I received mine and those of you who ordered Alan’s book probably have received it, for those of you here in the states, and it’s quite a work. Alan Watt is with us this evening and we’re going to discuss some of the things that he’s covered in the book. I’m only about halfway through it. I’ve been working out in the garden, 98 degrees today, folks, here and boy I want to tell you it’s hot. When I walked out the door it felt like I was opening my oven is exactly what it felt like but anyway I find that I drift off to sleep a lot quicker at night when I’m out there. That heat can really zap your energy with the exercise and the thrill of getting it done and seeing the progress is wonderful. Anyway, I’m about halfway through the book and Alan, thanks for being here with us tonight and thank you for those books.

I received, I thought this was quite timely and maybe you won’t want to address it but actually I think that throughout your book you have addressed the email that I received that came in today and its says, “amazing. It’s amazing how the truth can be staring someone right in the face and they’re completely unable to see it. Jesus, the way the truth and the life, stood in front of Pilate and the Pharisees and asked Jesus what is truth.” Now you claim the first five books of the Bible were written by the Pharisees. Explain this.

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  This is to me, but we’ll keep these questions in mind and maybe we’ll address them. He says, “you know because you were there or because some document which is more trustworthy than the Bible declares it. Just asking. On your April 27th show with Alan Watt you mocked the Bible by claiming that the whole Exodus story was a farce, really? Then I guess the entire Bible is a farce since the same Moses, which Alan claimed is son of Ra, appeared to Jesus on the Mount of transfiguration and is referenced by Jesus more than once. Funny that Jesus would call Moses a prophet when he was the “son of Ra,” so I guess that Jesus meets with fictional characters from an Old Testament which was contrived by the Pharisees. This pretty much makes the entire Bible untrustworthy. Do you actually believe what you say? It gets more and more bizarre every time I check in to hear what you have to say. It seems to me that you just make it up as you go, so what other parts of the Bible are false? Some, most, all, and you love to put “other sources” of information above the word of God, why? If the Bible is incorrect then why even talk about Jesus, especially since I heard you say on several occasions that what is written about him in the Bible is false as well. Well that’s an exaggeration but with all of this said, we come full circle to my opening statement. So you, like Pilate, stand right in front of the truth and ask what is the truth. Why? Because you do not believe that the Bible is the infallible written word of God and you live by knowledge and not by faith and this, Jackie, will be your downfall.”

Alan:  Well, they’re entitled to their opinion for sure.

Jackie:  I know that but I thought that maybe, for example this Moses thing. She says Jesus references Moses. No, I don’t know that we would say Jesus references Moses. Moses is written into the New Testament. Is there anything in here that you would be willing to discuss?

Alan:  I’ll tell you, to be honest with you, people who are so brainwashed into a condition, and that’s what their reality is for them, it’s a condition of training you see. Now these people believe that this is the infallible word of God would be just as good if they were born in the Middle East and if they were Mohammedans or if they were born in India and they were Buddhists or Hindu, they would be faithful followers of the religion that was given to them. Of course they themselves can’t see that because they cannot imagine being born anywhere else or to be anybody else than that whom they are, but they believe exactly as they’ve been programmed to believe.

Jackie:  The one thing that when people say the infallible word of God, then in their mind their concept of Creator is conflict, confusion, chaos–

Alan:  And superiority and elitism. You know, “we’ve been chosen and you haven’t.”

Jackie:  Right and I think about the contradictions and I know that the “law,” if you would, truth, is within in our hearts. It’s within our minds, even though we don’t have it all recalled to our consciousness but isn’t that what our purpose being here is, Alan?

Alan:  Yes and also people believe that they’ve been created in a long line of lineages of creations all stemming from the same source. They’d have to ask why do we have the ability to think for ourselves. Why do we have that ability and rather than being good little programmed readers of something that was supposedly written many thousands of years ago, supposedly, but really the world hadn’t really heard of the actual teachings of this religion until Constantine came along and had his Christian counsel and most of his advisers were supposedly Jewish bishops from various areas of the Roman world. Basically they confabulated a whole history to justify this religion, which they were giving to the people solely to control the people. Politicians are there to control people. That’s their job.

Jackie:  One of the things so far that you have done with your explanation about the actual photocopies of the old books where it’s just — even Freemasonry when they said Freemasonry — was it Freemasonry began in Babylon? Is that what it said?

Alan:  Yes, basically.

Jackie:  And that all of the stories that are in the “infallible” word of God bible were part of the religion from ancient times.

Alan:  Oh, absolutely, just recycled over and over and you’ll find the same characters doing the same things in the Hindu religion which preexisted all of that. Much, much older and they simply translated the same terms for their names into another language and so you have characters like Moses. Moses is an Egyptian word. It simply means “child.”

Jackie:  Or son of, if that means child?

Alan:  Yes and Ramoses is child or son of Ra, so you just skip the Ra and you’re left with the child, you see – kind of like Rothschild.

Jackie:  There was Ramses or Ramoses, Tutmoses and then we have Moses.

Alan:  Yes, and even then people get thrown off by I think deliberate misspellings of things because Tutmose is “child of Thoth” so it should really be T-H-O-T-H, you see, so the official historians give us another spelling of it which throws people off, but it’s the spoken word when you’re dealing with languages and the origins of words. It’s the spoken word which is important.

Jackie:  Yes, you’ve covered that in the book also where you called it hearing – instead of spelling it’s the hearing. You hear the sameness of certain words and see that’s where I’ve noticed that I’ve gotten caught up is by the spelling not the hearing of it.

Alan:  Of course we live in such an intense controlled situation called reality, where even our language has been so tampered with or even created from the beginning that “spelling” even in the dictionary is next to “spell” – to cast a spell – and that isn’t a mistake. Spelling itself casts a spell over the reader and if you’re not sounding the words in your mind you’ll actually miss the other meanings of them.

Jackie:  A lot of our listeners have caught this a lot quicker than I have because a lot of times when we do a broadcast together then I’ll get emails from people and they see something and say look at this and they actually wind up doing what you do, is see the word within the word, the actual word, which I think that’s wonderful that people – the title of this is Cutting Through, No. 3 and as I said when I looked at it, I thought cutting through the BS is what it is, Alan.

Alan:  That’s right.

Jackie:  Are there any particular areas of the book that you would like to go into tonight?

Alan:  Well, it’s to show people really how behind all the religions there’s another religion contained within them all and that one religion is the esoteric within them all. In other words, there’s only one esoteric religion, and yet, whether you’re Hindu or Mohammedan or Christian or whatever, you’ll find with the “mythos” as they called it, the founding of the religions and the stories told, there’s actually the same story being told over and over and over. Of course that’s what all high Freemasonry has always been taught even before it was called Freemasonry, you know Rosicrucianism and so on, and it does go back not only to Babylon but it was there at the beginning with Sumer. The same stories are told of their deities, which are supposedly all gods, and in those days remember a person who was superior and one of the nobility was called a god. These were very human-like gods and so the same stories were told about their foundings and how they came to be all these different gods and it’s the same stories told over and over.

Jackie:  In “Mystery Babylon Religion” which quotes heavily of course from the two Babylon’s, even to the Catholic saints they had the same individuals, the same gods or goddesses, sometimes even the same names.

Alan:  In fact, if you look at the Greek version of Hermes, he was also a patron of shepherds and the Greek version of Hermes has a statue of him with a lamb over his shoulder and of course that was the same symbology that was brought into Christianity and you’ll see the same statues there. Sometimes it’s Jesus with the lamb over his shoulders and sometimes even St. Christopher even has that at one point, so they use the same symbols, same statues actually.

Jackie:  The symbol of Mary the mother of Jesus, they use the same symbol for her as they do Isis and they call her “the Queen of Heaven” and they actually show her, they depict her in some of them standing on like a crescent moon with the stars around her and that’s the same way that Isis–

Alan:  And the moon under her feet. That’s the traditional mother of all creation. They mean all the world of matter. That’s what it means and of course in Luxor there are two main pillars there. One for Osiris and one for Isis and the statement inscribed in it for Isis is that “I am Isis, Queen of all, Queen of heaven, Queen of earth. Without me nothing was made.” In other words, she is matter and it’s from that very word matter that you get, it comes from mother.

Jackie:  What about father?

Alan:  The father again is varied because even in freemasonry since it is a male-dominated thing you’ll find different terms for different types of “father” you might say.

Jackie:  Can you give an example?

Alan:  It’s a degreed system and of course they gave them titles to do with power over others and some of them very ridiculous long titles, which I thought you used to only find them in the Middle East but you still find them filtering into even the court system of the West where you have “the right honorable judge” and so on. These were all titles to a god or a deity and even the worshipful master of a Masonic lodge is a worshipful master. He deserves your worship. That’s what it means. They have a hierarchy of meanings for father and brother. That’s why all Masons are also brothers but they also have a father.

Jackie:  I heard Joseph Biden after they got the crime bill passed. They had this big old celebration and it was on C-Span and they had the guy from Ohio. He was an old guy. I forget his name. Joseph Biden and Janet Reno up there and when Clinton came in, Joseph Biden almost genuflected and called him “your holiness.”

Alan:  Oh really? Well, I’m not surprised because if you’re worshipful then you’re supposed to deserve worship, literally worship.

Jackie:  And the ziggurat. You’ve got the photocopies of the ziggurat in here and where the first step was 33 degrees, but what fascinated me was seeing Lenin’s tomb and seeing that it was a takeoff on the ziggurat and the ziggurat was a religious type of a thing. It’s like a pyramid, only it’s stepped.

Alan:  That’s right. They show the world the religion they really belong to, while the same people stir up the exoteric religions against each other. It’s quite clever, while the inner players all belong to an esoteric religion, which is one worldwide, but their symbols are always thrown in your face and they love to mock the victim, which is really the population. However, they show us upfront what they belong to and everyone knows of course – in fact, Lenin’s tomb was recently redecorated inside and they’ve got his body or his mummy back on display. There’s another thing too. Why would they mummify his body?

Jackie:  No lie.

Alan:  It’s in a crystal case and you’d swear that he just died five minutes ago and that’s back on display and everyone knows of course that Lenin was a Jew and that’s behind the head now. They have a placard up there giving his history for the first time.

Jackie:  Do the people in Russia, maybe you don’t know this, as a whole do they revere Lenin or do they know what a monster he was?

Alan:  There’s a lot of the population do revere him because the propaganda was so intense including their schooling right from your first day at school. You’d be taught to revere this man literally as the next thing to any god.

Jackie:  So it would be only the people who were there when Lenin was there that knew what a monster he was and they’re gone today.

Alan:  They’re gone. Although, even some of his compadres there, his henchmen like Trotsky, did write books at that period and went through their system or their strategy of terror, because when you take over a system you want compliance and immediate compliance to maintain your hold on the system and they have a reign of terror. They always have a reign of terror and so you saw that – actually they had that too in the British Revolution. People forget that England was the first one to have a revolution.

Jackie:  And that was when, Alan?

Alan:  They had that actually before Cromwell but he re-revolutionized it again and you’ll find the same thing with the American Revolution, then the French Revolution. The French really went to town and then after that of course you had the Russian Revolution with its reign of terror, which was based more on the French model right down to population control. That was part of the French Revolution. They had maps made out before the revolution that they had to reduce the populations of the rural areas and they rounded up thousands and thousands from regions. They had the map cut up into regions and they would take the so-called excess population, peasants mainly, and put them on river barges; the ones at the coast line were put onto old ships and they fired cannon into them and sunk them because they wanted the population down. This wasn’t just a haphazard spontaneous revolution.

Jackie:  So they couldn’t revolt?

Alan:  Partly that, but they also had the whole agenda that we see portrayed through the League of Nations and then the United Nations with its population reduction, population management, right down to how many do we actually need for a specific task.

Jackie:  They call it “Family Planning,” Alan.

Alan:  That’s right and now it’s societal planning.

Jackie:  You have to say it nice.

Alan:  This stuff goes right back for hundreds of years. It’s part of the Mystery Religion you might call it.

Jackie:  I would like to say this to our listeners. It was told to a group of doctors I think it was back in ’65 or ’68 in Pittsburgh by Dr. Richard Day and you know it was interesting. Dr. Dunegan who started taking the notes and made the tape he said that Dr. Day mentioned several times that – in other words, he realized that his handlers would not be happy that he was telling all these doctors this, but there had to have been some type of hypnotic something going on. Maybe it was because they were all full from a real good dinner and had a few probably cocktails or wine, whatever, but he told them you cannot take notes and you cannot tape this and most of you aren’t even going to remember most of what I’m saying tonight, but he says I wouldn’t have been able to tell you this a couple of years ago but now everything is in its place and we intend to go into the 21st century with a running start and nothing can stop us now and he talks about all of this. It’s all laid out and he even told how they would do it and when you read that you cannot deny it because it’s happening today. Even minute little details about the clothing and how they were going to take little girls and they were going to take the nurturing inherent mothering qualities from them by getting rid of the baby dolls and then came the Barbie dolls right after that.

Alan:  They gave the dolls to the boys.

Jackie:  Yes, they did give the dolls to the boys, didn’t they? All these things, Alan, that you’ve talked about that we’ve talked about, it was laid out there and he said it very plainly and what I found interesting Dr. Day was elderly but it was very soon after he admitted all this to this group of doctors that he died and they probably got pretty ticked off. Sort of like what’s his name?

Alan:  Carroll Quigley.

Jackie:  Yes, Carroll Quigley. He told that he thought it was a wonderful idea and his only problem with it was that they wanted to keep it secret and he thought people should know because it was such a wonderful plan. What a nitwit. What a nitwit this man was.

Alan:  The thing is, when you look back at everything you realize that every era has been just as controlled, every era. You see, we’ve never had what we think of as freedom since as I say from at least the days of Sumer and now through archaeological digs they’re digging up previous civilizations like the Harappan culture which also was intensely – I mean you’re talking about underground heating, under-floor heating, piped water in the rooms–

Jackie:  Under-floor heating.

Alan:  Yes and piped water into rooms and you were talking 6,000 or more, 7,000 BC.

Jackie:  Who were the Harappans?

Alan:  Well, that’s just it. The Sumerian culture was basically built on top of the previous civilizations that had existed there and the one prior to Sumer they’re giving the name of Harappan. They like to give it a name so they can identify or at least know who they’re talking about.

Jackie:  Okay. So that was before Sumer?

Alan:  Yes and the Harappan cities that they’re digging up extended all the way from Egypt to China, so they had a tremendous trade market. They had a high standard of living but it boils back to the same thing. It’s trade and a monetary form so that they could literally get the people using their money. Whether you weight it or count it doesn’t matter. It’s getting the public to give up their rights for things they want and once you do that and they introduce their money they’ve got you. I knew that too because it’s evident when you study Sumer that they were so perfect in their managerial system of society.

Jackie:  You know what? I’m glad you brought that up and I want if you will because we have to take our break right now. When we come back, because you were reading to me once and I know that it’s in your head so you don’t have to read it, but the system that you were reading from, whatever it was, is exactly the system that we’re living under today.

Alan:  Exactly.

Jackie:  Including the taxes and just everything. All right, we’re back folks and since we’re talking about Alan’s third book here let’s give Alan’s address, if you still have your pen in your hand. I hope you do. If you want the book that we’re discussing, first of all Alan recommends very emphatically that if you don’t have numbers 1 and 2 you should begin there because this is the third one that he’s done and really what it does is it just follows along from one to the other to the other. Do you call all of them “Cutting Through,” Alan?

Alan:  I did initially then I changed I think the second one, but they’re all “Cutting Through“–

Jackie:  They are cutting through the BS. Okay. [See www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information.]

Alan, before we pick up the Sumer thing there’s a couple of things I wanted to mention. Joe Bannister, I think most of our listeners or a lot of our listeners are probably aware of it. Joe Bannister is a former IRS agent. In fact this has been in the newspapers you know, the press and the news, the mainstream has actually picked this story up. Joe Bannister who was a former IRS agent and is now part of the “We the People” organization, that would be Bob Schultz from New York, he was indicted and charged with giving I think disinformation to his clients because he left the IRS and became a CPA and Joe Bannister actually won his trial. He was acquitted of all charges. Al Thompson and we had Al on with us one night, a business owner. He was one of Joe Bannister’s clients and they each had a trial. They were both – I don’t know if this was together, if they were charged together and the trials together or separately, but lets just put it this way.

Joe Bannister got off and his client from what I’ve read I’m sure they’ll be appealing it is going to prison and I also read if I’m not mistaken, I shouldn’t maybe say it because I can’t take it to the bank but there was another client of Joe Bannister’s who’s already in prison and you know this doesn’t surprise me. Just because of his association with this Bob Schultz because Bob Schultz is a Rockefeller boy and there’s an article about Bob Schultz and it was actually written by Sandy Stika, a lawyer, but this woman had the goods on Bob Schultz and I had the goods on him myself from a previous interaction with him in 1993. I knew he was a phony but I didn’t know he was a Rockefeller boy and I’m not surprised. When I found out that he was going to court, I thought ha, maybe I was wrong about Joe Bannister. Maybe he’s just been taken in by this crew but to get off on these charges we’ve got Dixon Cannon from Texas sitting in prison. There are other business owners sitting in prison and Bannister gets off and folks I wanted you to know that. I want you to not be taken in by this because I suspect that this was a setup. The whole thing was planned out.

Alan:  Generally, most of these things are sting operations where they put their man out there, people fall for it then they arrest them.

Jackie:  And Bannister gets off and everybody on the internet is just celebrating to high heaven.

Alan:  “They give us our heroes” as Albert Pike said.

Jackie:  Alan, I’m going to tell you something. Sometimes the internet just makes me crazy because you get these articles and people are just ecstatic that he won this thing but they’re not getting it. They don’t put two and two together and see that he got off but his client didn’t.

Alan:  Well, that’s what happens when you make a hero. He already was a hero for coming out and now he’s more of a hero for getting off with the charges. You can be a bigger hero now and con more people.

Jackie:  That’s why I wanted to bring this up before I forgot it. Now can we go to Sumer? And you know the gentlemen who wrote me the letter? I don’t know, he probably wouldn’t want to have a conversation with you because he just wants to say how crazy I am and how crazy you are. I’d like to say this one more thing though. If he’s listening tonight, if you read about the account that was written by Immanuel Velikovsky on the conflagration that occurred about the time the so-called exodus out of Egypt was supposed to have occurred you will see that. His book is titled, “Worlds in Collision” and the other one is called “Earth in Upheaval“, it’s a sequel, and those books unless he made up all of that, all of the ancient manuscripts that he quoted from, and I don’t believe he did, and he’s a Jew and he even quoted the Rabbis saying that at that time when the sun – it was dark for three days. According to his report on the other side of the earth, the sun stood still in the sky for three days but the Rabbis said that 49 out of 50 of the quote “chosen people” left Egypt. They were leaving because they were trying to find some sun. They were trying to find some food and it wasn’t just they who left and so therefore that to me when you look at that and you see that they wrote that story of exodus, of course always around the chosen, well then it’s our choice if we’re going to —

Alan:  It’s a choice. See, Velikovsky too, we’ve got to remember, was a Rabbinical Rabbi and the son of a Rabbinical Rabbi.

Jackie:  Well, he must have ticked them off no end.

Alan:  No. He was sent out from Communist Russia to promulgate this really.

Jackie:  But why?

Alan:  Because at that time they could not find any evidence of an ancient Israel people so his job was to try and validate the fact that there had been an ancient Israel people.

Jackie:  I see. So he wrote it into the histories.

Alan:  When you look at all of it – when they discovered the Tel el Amarna city, which was the record-keeping capital basically of Egypt when Akhenaton was in power, they found literally millions of correspondences all in baked tablets from all their satrapies or little princedoms across the entire Middle East back and forth from the leaders or the princes or whoever was put in charge of these conquered peoples. Yet nobody’s history, whether it’s ancient Persian or Egypt or whatever, nowhere did they mention a people called Israeli or a land called Israel.

Jackie:  It’s been supposed or theorized maybe that it was the Hyksos that were there during that time that it was supposedly the chosen.

Alan:  What we do know is that from the Greek records and Tel el Amarna records that one of the peoples was called Hyksos, which today means again “shepherd kings,” but it really was cattle which they drove in front of them, these wandering tribes. They were joined by another huge group from they think somewhere in the Aegean and of course this is where all the stories of Atlantis come from, that these people evacuated their land during tremendous volcanic upheavals when the land sunk beneath the water.

Jackie:  Would that have been around the time of that whole conflagration?

Alan:  Yes. In fact, the Egyptians had records of incredible tidal waves which had traveled across the Mediterranean and caused tremendous damage to neighboring shorelines and so on. Crete was flooded at the time when this huge island went down and the Peoples of the Sea came in, very well organized people, very well military equipped and they joined with the Hyksos and invaded Egypt and they took it over and ran it for about 150 years or so. They were the cruelest barbaric people according to the Egyptians that they’d ever known. They had no respect for any religion. They used terror again to subjugate the populace. They would just commandeer hundreds of people for a public spectacle and chop them to pieces and that was to keep everybody else in line.

Jackie:  That’s the entertainment of the day.

Alan:  It has never changed. The same thing happened in the Russian Revolution where Lenin ordered his men according to Trotsky to go out into all the rural areas and just round up a couple of dozen in every little village, hang them from the trees and let their bodies rot and that will terrify the rest of them to comply. That’s how power is maintained. It’s an ancient technique and it’s a science in fact which has never been lost. It’s actually taught in certain places and of course we’re seeing the same thing now as they go into a global civilization – I hate to use the world civilization. That’s their term for their system, but we’re going to the global structure and to maintain powers as governments they must have a terror within if they can’t have a terror abroad.

Jackie:  Do you know the Guantanamo – no, the place where they have found that they have been torturing people – what’s the name of this place?

Alan:  That’s right. That’s the one that’s in Cuba, Guantanamo Bay.

Jackie:  Do you know that one of the – I don’t which one it was of the three broadcast companies, but they actually had a poll on their internet site asking people if they agree that torture should be used for these “suspected terrorists” in order to get the truth out of them. Now how could any person believe that torture is going to get the truth because they’ll admit to anything to please quite torturing me. Whatever they want them to admit to they’ll admit to it.

Alan:  It’s understood by the ones who run things.

Jackie:  According to this poll there were actually people who said yes.

Alan:  Of course there will be. Torture, they know themselves that they have far more sophisticated methods of extracting truth from people and painless methods too. The whole thing about torture is to terrify the public.

Jackie:  They can just give them a shot, can’t they?

Alan:  They can give them a shot. They have equipment today I am sure that–

Jackie:  Isn’t sodium pentothal supposed to be the – that’s old.

Alan:  It doesn’t really. It’s called abreaction therapy and you can certainly take a person back into certain states with a form of hypnosis and a good life history of the individual but it doesn’t necessarily guarantee truth.

Jackie:  I’ll bet they have a truth serum today.

Alan:  See, everything that was known in the Spanish Inquisition and the European Inquisition of the Catholic Church about torture, everything that was known then is known today that, yes, people will say anything in order to have that pain relief.

Jackie:  It was like the Nuremberg trials. They tortured them and when they hung them they had a shorter rope so the people would take a long time to die. It was a terrible, terrible thing that happened during those Nuremberg trials. Okay, we’ve got about 10 minutes left here. Can we do Sumer?

Alan:  Yes, getting back to Sumer, there’s a book, which I don’t have actually, it was a library book, but it was called, “Life Begins at Sumer” and it’s an easy read. I can’t remember the author’s name but he was quoting from tablets that were unearthed there written by scribes and every priestcraft was a specialist lawyer, so you had a priesthood that dealt solely with real estate and with the writing up of the dividing up of property and so on. You had a priesthood for every function at the top of every function.

Jackie:  In Sumer? That would be the lawyers today.

Alan:  This one young priest wrote and said “I look from the east. I look to the west. He says I cannot see the sky for government buildings.”

Jackie:  In Sumer.

Alan:  5,000 BC. He said they tax everything. He said they tax the fish we bring in. They tax the goods we bring in. They tax us for living. He said when we bury our relatives they come to the graveside and of course they left offerings of food and that on the grave. He said they come and take the food for death taxes and I thought well nothing’s changed.

Jackie:  Nothings changed. “Life Begins at Sumer?” I’m going to check and see if that’s available.

Alan:  It’s an easy read and it’s a good book and they even show you the students who were being trained. They were picking young boys and training them from the age of five to be scribes and they have unearthed some of the schools and there are thousands of practice clay tablets they found where they were doing advanced trigonometry and geometry just as well as we do it today.

Jackie:  I have a newspaper article or maybe it’s from the government itself. I think it is the U.S. government. They have special schools for gifted children and they bring them to Washington, D.C. and you can see that what they’re doing is they’re grooming them and probably intensive brainwashing, intensive brainwashing.

There’s something in the book here I must ask you about because remember when you talked about for example even the royal Khazars, red heads, and they’ve unearthed and you said that the Egyptian pharaohs they wore those big headdresses and stuff.

Alan:  They wore wigs.

Jackie:  Because to cover up their hair and in here, this would be on page 31, you’ve to this thing it’s called – you’d have to pronounce it for me. Tenochtitlan. Is that it? It’s a human sacrifice. It’s a drawing, a depiction.

“A priest slashes open a captive’s chest to tear out his living heart and they actually have drawn this. Every night, the Aztec god Huitzilopochtli was believed to do battle against the power of darkness. To give him strength, and to ensure that the sun would be reborn every morning, the priests offered mankind’s most precious gift–human hearts and blood. This scene is from the Codex Magliabechiano (16th century AD).  Then you had written below it:

“Many people know of the bloody sacrifices to the Aztecs and their predecessors. It cannot be stressed enough that sun-priests had a long history of similar cultural mind control techniques across the ancient world. Much has been over thousands of years to ‘clean’ the historical records. We know the Egyptians used to sacrifice red-haired captives to the sun on certain high holy days.”

Okay, well that confused me because it seemed that the red-headed ones were put up in those high positions.

Alan:  Yes, but don’t forget too that even the Phoenician nobility used to sacrifice their own first-born, so this would probably be some of the special first-born and that’s the highest sacrifice you could give.

Jackie:  Of course, like GW. I believe he was sacrificed when he was born. I mean the guy he’s so pathetically stupid that you could almost feel compassion for him and that you know that he was born and bred to be where he is today to be the idiot puppet of the U.S. government.

Alan:  They did sacrifice the red-haired men in Egypt and later of course they changed it to the red heifer. The red heifer was adopted by Judaism for a sacrifice, a perfect red heifer.

Jackie:  It’s a holy thing. Oh, do you know what? A friend of mine sent me a photograph, her son is a dairy farmer and she sent me a photograph of a red heifer that was born to one of his cows; and I meant to and I didn’t write back to her and say what is the relevance of this. Is that what she is getting at? That it’s something holy?

Alan:  Yes. In fact, they are apparently breeding stock to try to get back to the perfect red heifer so they could recommence the sacrifices on the so-called holy mount.

Jackie:  Oh my God. Then, so when somebody gets a red heifer, they celebrate that this is a wonder thing?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Oh, Alan.

Alan:  The whole thing is barbaric, but again, as I say, it’s a form of brainwashing, especially children who have to watch that, because it also hardens them and steels them to suffering for even for animals.

Jackie:  They’ve done that with the movies and I’ve seen that young people can watch the most grotesque. I remember one time a movie was on and I happened to walk in the room and some guy was laying in a hospital and he was all bandaged up except one eye and they opened that eye and I saw that they were going to shove an ice pick in it and I just cringed and walked away but they were actually sitting watching it. It was when I was visiting in St. Louis and that’s the kind of stuff our children watch, so Alan, they’ve already been–

Alan:  Desensitized.

Jackie:  Oh absolutely, absolutely.

Alan:  It’s all planned that way because this sort of period we’re going through has been done so many times in the past that they know exactly what type of generation they need to implement these kind of things, so they create that generation. That’s why they could write into Revelations and so on that children would be against parents and parents against children and all that, man against wife.

Jackie:  I’m not to the back of the book but that’s where you’re addressing Revelations. Okay, would you like to come on with us again tomorrow night?

Alan:  Sure.

Jackie:  And maybe I’ll be there by then and if I’m not you can just – we can talk about it but Revelations is so mightily important to people because it’s like oh look at this. It’s written in the book.

Alan:  By God.

Jackie:  And by God, yes, and it’s going to happen, it’s God’s plan, and then we say oh God is love.

Alan:  Just a bit hard to figure out sometimes.

Jackie:  Well it is. It’s quite insane. We’re out of our hour. Thanks for being with us tonight, Alan.

Alan:  It’s been a pleasure.

Jackie:  Then we’ll see you tomorrow night?

Alan:  Yes.

Alan Watt on

“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru

June 28, 2005

Jackie:  Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight here on Sweet Liberty. It is Tuesday and it is the 28th of June in the year 2005 and Alan Watt is back with us again tonight and I was doing last minute preparations. Alan, are you there with us?

Alan:  I am.

Jackie:  Folks, we’re going to be talking about Alan’s book, “Cutting Through” tonight. We’re going to be talking about “Cutting Through” and we’re going to zero in on Revelations and so Alan would you give them your address, your contact information.

Alan:  Sure.

Jackie:  Okay, thank you.

Alan:  There’s actually three books, 1, 2 and 3, and the last one goes into some of the history of priesthoods and the bankers because they do go hand-in-hand all down through the thousands of years that we know of. I try and give you the documentation – the scanty documentation that is available and I have found enough to put in a book and show you this correlation between religion and money. If anyone wants 1, 2 or 3, “Cutting Through,” [see www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information.]. You will enjoy this because I don’t think the correlations have been put so precisely before.

All knowledge as I say is scattered deliberately, so I think, because I don’t see why the authorized historians who have access to archives, as opposed to public libraries, why wouldn’t they give us this correlation between money, the system of money, the money which creates standing armies which then go and conquer other countries to force the same money system on them with the debt and all the rest of it and the priesthoods, who basically their purpose is to control the minds of the people so that they’ll go along with it. It’s still going on today as we force Moslem countries to accept this term called “democracy”, a term, by the way, which changes definition every 25 years because the democracy of today is different from that 50 years ago and it’s different from the one they had in Britain in the 1800’s. At that time only the nobility could vote. People without property had no say in anything.

Jackie:  And that was the truth even in the young America.

Alan:  That’s right. It was only landowners and even then they specified a certain acreage before you could vote.

Jackie:  Yes, exactly under the Constitution. You had to be a landowner.

Alan:  That wonderful document written by lawyers that you could drive buses through. Everything is a scam and of course even prior to the revolution there were international meetings in Europe where the bankers and the top front men for the bankers got together and they needed a shining knight in armor that would lead the world into their system believing it was for the people. They couldn’t use England because London had pillaged half the world and stole and robbed and so on, and they couldn’t use France because they did the same thing. Therefore they decided to create a brand new one and people fell for it of course. There’s more mythology involved in the founding than reality, but that was their Novus Ordo Seclorum, their New World Order. That’s the motto and the U.S. is actually doing what it was created to do, which was to bring this in.

Jackie:  Well yes and think about it. They referred to America as the New World, and I thought about that.

Alan:  Every symbol of the U.S. federal government including the Great Seal, both sides, is ancient, ancient Egyptian. Even prior to Egyptian the same symbols were used in Sumer so this is an ancient brotherhood stretching back many, many thousands of years using their symbols openly in front of the people who generally never inquire as to what they actually mean. It’s the oddest thing even to see Washington’s Monument built like an Egyptian obelisk dedicated to a god. That’s why they raised the obelisk. A human being had achieved godhood. That’s what apotheosis means and here they erect one in Washington and the average American doesn’t ask the question, “why would they put an Egyptian obelisk for Washington in this so-called, so-called Christian country?”  The signs are right in front of us.

Jackie:  I had a call from a very nice man today and he said how much he enjoyed our broadcast but he said I just don’t understand why the program before yours and after yours always comes in so good. I hear this from so many people, Alan, that he has to listen so closely to be able to hear it, but he said that he knew that the Bible was true and we talked and I mentioned the King James Version and that Francis Bacon was one of the editors. Who was Francis Bacon? He certainly was an insider but people get the idea and I don’t know why because I’ve said it a jillion times. I know that there’s truth in that book. They have to give us truth but there’s so much – it’s all mingled up with the lies and the contradictions and that is the one thing that it doesn’t cease to confuse me I guess is that people can believe that the infallible word of God is contradictory; and it is contradictory. There are so many contradictions.

Alan:  That is the technique of mind control; it’s to give the person the ability to hold two opposing opinions on the same subject in their head at the same time.

Jackie:  And both of them being true?

Alan:  That’s right. They’ll fight to the death to defend either contradiction.

Jackie:  As I told you just before we went on the air, I really wanted to read the book last night and get into where you were talking about Revelations and after about five minutes I crashed, working out in that hot sun and the good exercise, it really helps you sleep but you said you haven’t read it yourself.

Alan:  I read it; I mean I wrote it and I never recheck anything once I’ve written it so there’ll be a few typo errors. I didn’t use a computer and I watched my fingers rather than what I was writing, so excuse any typo errors that you come across.

Jackie:  You want me to make a note of it if I find them as I’m reading?

Alan:  Sure. I can’t be bothered.

Jackie:  Well, Revelations, can you give us some of what you wrote? You said you don’t have a copy there?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Now Alan, how are you going to make copies for your new people?

Alan:  I’ve got a master copy.

Jackie:  Oh, but you don’t want to mess with the master copy?

Alan:  You get one wrinkle on that and you can’t get it through the machine.

Jackie:  Maybe we’ll have to do it another time though because I haven’t read it so there aren’t places that I can refer to. Some of the symbology that you gave in the book can you recall with Revelations?

Alan:  It’s all astral theology, the ancient, ancient priesthoods and we don’t know how far back they stretch but we know it’s way before Sumer, 5,000 BC they already had all of the major planets charted. They had the stars, the constellations and so on named, and many of the stars charted. They knew when certain stars would rise and what time in fact. It was so exact they knew what time it would rise for the first time in a set period and they basically wrote their plan into the constellations rising and setting, which constellations of the zodiac follow which ones, and they used that terminology even to do with – it’s like animals chasing each other in a constant circle. They wrote elaborate stories for each part of the story for the zodiac and of course when people are trained to believe these are actual people that lived on earth it’s very difficult to get that out so that they can see what it really is, especially if they’ve been trained from a very, very young age to believe that these are very real people.

In the book I use an old chart, an astrology chart in fact. That’s how they couched that back in the 1500’s. They were studying astronomy but they used astrology as an exoteric cover and in that particular zodiac you’ll even see – have you got it in front of you?

Jackie:  Yes, I’ve got the book. Where would I go?

Alan:  Go to that zodiacal chart that’s there. If you flick through it, the whole page is the zodiac. It’s all symbols and animals.

Jackie:  Oh yes, I’ve already gone by that. It’s up towards the front more?

Alan:  I think so. Every religion that’s ever been and the stories concerning the individuals–

Jackie:  Oh yes, this is this whole page?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And then you’ve got the names, Baal, Saudi, God all Mighty. Now who are all these people?

Alan:  These are all the same people. It’s all titles to the sun. It’s titles to the sun at different periods of the year.

Jackie:  Baal means lord?

Alan:  Lord and it can also mean sun because it all revolves around the sun. The sun being born in the morning, prior to that, you get the coming of the sun. The color is purple. That’s before dawn and like the song goes, “in the deep purple dawn.” That’s the royal color. That’s why royalty is then set above the people. This is a system. The zodiac is a system of the system that we live in.

Jackie:  Are you saying system?

Alan:  Yes, system. Before that you get the royalty, the dawn. The Greeks called it Aurora and Aurora was the goddess of the dawn. She was dressed in purple as well and purple is the royal color for British royalty and royalty all over the world because they come in a sense before the system. They are pre-existent. Their system is pre-existent before the sun rises. That’s what it means and then of course as the sun goes through its phases during the day they give it a different title. He’s a young lion in the morning and of course he’s a full-grown lion at midday and that’s really one of the titles of Ra, Almighty Ra, such power and fire, so he’s a full-grown adult male basically generally pictured as a lion. Then of course towards sundown he’s an older lion who sheds his blood for the world, which is of course the sunset, the sky turns red, so every day the god of the world gives his life for the world. It’s that simple.

Jackie:  And who is the god of the world?

Alan:  Well, you can take your pick. I mean there’s many names for the same thing in different cultures and Lucifer of course is the light bringer and many of the esoteric sects that coexist inside the Christian sects and always have done in their own private rituals will have Lucifer as their god, meaning the light-bearer. Whereas the average Christian who’s taken everything at face value, they’re in the dark. They’re still in the dark. They haven’t seen the light, you see. That’s what that means, so as we’re being good little Christians we’re also being mocked by the people who run Christianity and that’s why all of the Pied Piper leaders you get, the TV evangelists, the superstars you might say, multimillionaires, have their own private meetings with Freemasonry. Billy Graham is a 33rd degree Mason and I’m sure all the rest of them are too and they have their own private esoteric meaning for everything.

Jackie:  I forgot to tell you I got a response. Remember that article about the Sanhedrin being reestablished, which you said you don’t think it’s ever not been and that would probably be so, but they’re bringing it out in the open now. One of the courts that they’re going to be establishing, the first one in Israel, are the Noahide courts and that one will be established in the U.S. and remember I sent that note to Billy Graham and asked he or his colleagues if there’s been any opposition to this. Well, I got mail back from somebody who said Billy asked me to respond to you and he is very ill. He’s evidentially on is way out but he just didn’t have time to answer me personally and he hasn’t done any research on it so there’s nothing he had to say about it.

Alan:  No, which is ridiculous because these guys have known about these laws for years and Billy’s been over to Israel who knows how many times and his job of course is to bring Christianity together with this religion based in Israel which will be the world court as well.

Jackie:  The world court?

Alan:  Yes. All these boys they lie because that’s their job.

Jackie:  Well you know Alan from doing chapter 16 and 17 of the book and rereading the I think it’s “The Cause of World Unrest” and all of the rituals that this guy brought out actually from Albert Pike’s book, no wonder they’re all so in love with Israel. I mean all of these – whatever, the 30th degree, the Knight Kadosh or whatever and their – well, even before then into their initiations, what are you building? We’re building temples, physical temples and temples in men’s minds. Which way do you travel? From Babylon to Israel; and they asked them in one of them: Are you ready to be governors of Israel? Now that of course has got to be some kind of code. What the heck does that mean, Alan, are you ready to be governors of Israel?

Alan:  Israel again is Isis Ra-El. It’s the bisexual deity in the male/female hermaphroditic god and of course behind all religions it’s the same deity because their creator as they say is both male and female, meaning perfection, and of course if you go into that of India, they’re far more explicit in connecting the two together. That’s why Shiva and so on have attributes of both male and female and they show it openly in their statues and so on. There’s a religion behind the exoteric religion. It’s always been there and I think it was even Clements that said that when the mass is gone – and that’s what he means by that. That’s why you have a mass for the people. They’re the masses. When the mass is gone, he said, we have our own secret meeting or secret rituals which the profane cannot see; so this has always been here from its very inception. As I say, too, Constantine himself just a week prior to the counsel that he supposedly was responsible for he deified himself as a god in the cult of Mithra. He built a temple so that the people – and this is traditional in the Roman theology – he built a temple so that people could go and worship him, a statue of him, even while he was still alive. He was worshipped as a god and that was traditional in ancient Greece and in Rome, so the secret religion of course is that they all attain godhood.

Jackie:  Did the people differentiate between “gods” and creator?

Alan:  Well, not really. In the Christian religion, even though the Old Testament is so wishy-washy because you have Elohim in the beginning and then you have this latecomer called Jehovah. I could also pronounce all the crazy other names or terms they use for it.

Jackie:  Yawvey and Yahaweh.

Alan:  Oh yes.

Jackie:  Did you hear a click on your phone?

Alan:  I did, yes.

Jackie:  I want you to know that your voice – the volume is up. It’s almost like you’re being suppressed or something.

Alan:  It’s very possible because a lot of technology out there is so advanced that doing that is quite simple. Yes, you do have this Elohim and of course the secret behind the Elohim which is everybody is confused about and many guys have written books and made lots of money on them, but the real secret is the Elohim is ‘we,’ meaning the deity who’s both male and female. That’s what it really refers to.

Jackie:  Is that why it says, “let us make man in our image?”

Alan:  That’s right and therefore Adam had the attributes of the deity. He was both male and female and then the female part was separated from him. That’s the symbology.

Jackie:  Did they do that through surgery do you think or I mean was the whole thing–

Alan:  No, no. It’s all esoteric nonsense.

Jackie:  Okay, but I mean is there any truth behind that back then that man was both male and female and that the story about Adam as being used as a representation of that?

Alan:  No, there’s none at all. They definitely had homosexual sects who were priests themselves. I mean that’s fairly traditional all down through thousands of years. You would have – I mean what young guy is going to cut off his manhood literally and join the cult of Isis? Which young guy is going to do that voluntarily and then go and spend the rest of his days with men? You always had a homosexual element who dressed as women and that’s why even today the robes are still the female robes you know, so when a priest stands there he’s representing male and female in one. In other words, he’s reflecting their secret deity.

Jackie:  They probably don’t wear anything under their robes either.

Alan:  I don’t know. I don’t know but this is the same in every religion.

Jackie:  You mentioned one time the dog priests. Those were the priests that were the ones that were used by the priests?

Alan:  Yes and they had temple prostitutes and they had them in Israel too because they’ve uncovered some parts of the old temple where they had an entrance which went into the house of prostitutes, the female ones, and then there’s a little stela on the wall, a picture of the male ones on the left hand side of the entrance, so they had both and so did Israel. They were no different.

Jackie:  When you said Israel, it wasn’t Israel back then?

Alan:  After the so-called Babylonian captivity there was an Israel for a short time, although the Romans called that whole area Edomia on their maps, but you can still check today. They have historical maps but they did have temple prostitutes the same as every other mystic religion across that part of the world and of course the generative power of the sexual act was the closest they claim they came to emulating the creator. It was a creative function and many of them in the higher sects claim that to have sex with the male was still closer to the deity than having sex with the female, so the deviant part of it has been there for thousands and thousands of years.

What they did and this is standard philosophy and history, what they did from the most ancient times to set up this particular system was to create a god and a god’s wife in the heavens, so in Egypt it was Osiris and wife Isis. Then they’d have a representative on earth who also emulated that, so you had a human being who would be the god on earth. That was the pharaoh and his wife, so they wrote it into the heavens and then reenacted it on earth.

In fact, the three pyramids themselves are nothing more than the belt of the Constellation Orion.

Jackie:  We have to take our break. On the other side of this I want to remember to tell our listeners, you and I talked about this recently about John Coleman and his books… Somebody must have come down on John Coleman;and folks, for anybody to think that somebody is an ex- or former CIA or MI6 or whatever, it’s folly because once you are, you are. Don’t you agree with that Alan?

Alan:  They say that themselves.

Jackie:  You get people on radio broadcasts you know guests, former CIA, a former Illuminati. Really? And people fall for it because they say so and that’s when our logic has to enter in. It’s like people who listen to the broadcasts of people who are syndicated on a lot of different radio stations. Well, George Noory, what’s his name, Art Bell, they actually take these people seriously and there are others who are purportedly in the patriot community or whatever you want to call it, alternative radio, and when they’re on 18 and 20 and 30 hours a week and syndicated – there’s one particular one. I can’t mention the name but he’s been on C-Span. He’s been on I think if I’m not mistaken Fox News but the mainstream mentions him. Now when you get a mention by mainstream you have to know that it’s one of theirs.

Alan:  You don’t get an interview unless you are playing a role which they know about, and Albert Pike, and I can’t stress it enough, he said that “we supply the leaders to the people. When they need a leader we supply them,” and they always make sure it’s a superstar that seems to have more info than anyone else and they steamroll ahead and before you know it they become almost a deity themselves.

Jackie:  Yes, and they have lots of infomercials too.

Alan:  These people are definitely backed. For instance, in about March or April there was a Rabbinical protest in New York; 6,000 people, many of them Rabbis, were protesting the illegality of the present Israel. They claimed that it’s supposed to be Messiah-led to create a new Israel and it hasn’t happened, this was done by man, and so 6,000 and all walked across the Brooklyn Bridge, brought everything to a standstill and yet not one paper mentioned that fact.

Jackie:  That’s all well and good but it’s sort of like a Ross Perot when he was allegedly fighting the NAFTA. He wasn’t fighting the NAFTA. He wasn’t opposing it. In fact his slogan was “not this NAFTA.”

Alan:  What I’m saying, though, is not one paper or media mentioned that fact at all, which tells you if the media doesn’t want to hear what you’ve got to say that you won’t get a mention and so when you are doing a supposed patriot show – which is a joke anyway, the whole thing, the patriot. I’m sorry to say it but it’s true. These guys gave you a system and made them believe it was yours and that’s where the patriotism comes from. Now they’re simply adjusting their system into the updated version and because people don’t like change they’re getting angry about it, so they put the Pied Pipers out there to lead you, which will be up the garden path as always, and nothing will be done except keeping you pacified or letting you blow off steam as we go through all the changes.

Jackie:  Yes and my thoughts about these 6,000 people, rabbis, et cetera. Well, okay, not this Israel because it isn’t messiah-lead. They believe that their messiah is going to come in with the damn sword and eliminate all their enemies and they still are adherent to the Talmudic–

Alan:  Well, that’s the craziness of all religion you see. I don’t put them in a different bracket from anybody else. I know that the rabbis know more about the esoteric, but the followers don’t, because the rabbis study the Talmud and they get to know what the inner meanings are.

Jackie:  Well, they’re lied to. There’s this rabbi from Neutra Karta I think it is. I heard him on John Stadtmiller’s broadcast several years ago and he was saying they’re anti-Zionist and he said our god has demanded, commanded us to be good neighbors wherever we live. That’s an outright lie because they are commanded to root out, pull down and destroy every nation where they live as though they were captives whether their host nation welcomes them with open arms or not.

Alan:  That’s where the Noahide laws come in because it’s their duty to actually try and get these laws enforced into all gentile nations wherever they travel. That’s a commandment really and of course–

Jackie:  That’s what I was saying but I was getting emails saying – in fact I did tune in. I got a call and somebody said oh you should hear this guy. He’s really great. No, he wasn’t, Alan. It was just fuzzy warm, we’re good neighbors and we love America and we’re anti-Zionists. That’s BS. They might be “anti-Zionist” but they’re still under the Talmudic law.

Alan:  As far as I’m concerned, there’s no single religion out there that should have predominance over any other one or people.

Jackie:  There’s no religion out there that should even be.

Alan:  They’ve all been created from the same source a long time ago and that’s the triangle. That’s one of the meanings of the triangle and a trinity because they love trinities, you see, and the Mystery Religion had trinities for thousands of years before Jesus and one of the trinities of course is Judaism, Christianity and Mohammedism. That’s your three main religions.

Jackie:  On the internet you see all kinds of stuff about the evils of the Muslim religion et cetera and the people who are doing this don’t even realize it that Christianity and Talmudism has been combined. It’s all one.

Alan:  Legality always wins over and that was why they combined the Old Testament with the New. See, the more you condition people into a culture, and it’s culture shaping you see, that’s why you give them a specific religion that generally is promoted by the royalty or whoever is at the top. It’s designed to have a function, a purpose and to take the people to a certain destination, a “fulfillment” if you like, of a plan and millions of people go along with it all because they’re simply trained to do that from a very early age.

Jackie:  What I became aware of is that Christianity and Talmudism are not opposites. They’re parallel and the people are on a parallel path, the Christians and the Jews, and that path isn’t going to cross. It’s going to merge.

Alan:  Eventually so will the updated the Muslim world, once the job is finished in the Middle East, they’ll merge too.

Jackie:  Well, that’s the intention.

Alan:  The trinity always merges, that’s why you have three in one.

Jackie:  You look at the Christians waiting for Jesus. He’s coming back and he’s going to have his kingdom. The seat of his kingdom is going to be in Israel and then of course you’ve got the Jews on the same parallel path. They’re waiting for their messiah who has not come yet and he’s going to be the one that’s going to rule the world. One of the things that you read in their websites on the Noahide laws et cetera, one of the things they’re telling the Jews, one of the most frequently asked questions, why hasn’t our messiah come? They said because the world is not ready for him yet and the world will not be ready for him until the Christians have become Hassidic Gentiles and that would be under the Noahide laws and so it’s their duty, their mandate to proselytize and bring people in convincing them that this is the true “religion.” Of course, then you have so-called Christian pastors and some of them on the air 20 and 30 hours a week actually getting their followers to observe the Talmudic holidays.

Alan:  Well, sheep go into the pasture and that’s what a pastor means. He’s looking after sheep and you can’t do anything about it because sheep follow. That’s all they do is follow and they will go willingly into whatever the guys at the top decide for them and it’s unfortunate but that’s the truth. That’s why they call the man the pastor.

Jackie:  There are some people waking up. I know that from phone calls that I get from people and you have said that you’ve had some really great phone calls from people who suddenly just – it suddenly hits them. I thought about this last night that I’m not sitting here “bible bashing, Christian bashing,” which evidentially to some people it sounds like what I’m doing, and Alan, I wouldn’t even be talking about this because it is so sensitive for people who are really steeped in it. Now I was raised up in the Lutheran Church. I mean it wasn’t like I didn’t have religion but I knew that there was stuff that we weren’t being told. It just wasn’t making sense to me. But the only reason that I do this is because I see that it is the engine that is driving this plan for world dominion and it’s so important and I would not intentionally offend or hurt somebody’s feelings or tick people off just to do it. It would be nice if we didn’t have to talk about this.

Alan:  When you have people going along with it and they become part of your problem or my problem because they’re giving their power to this system and whether we agree with it or not we’re supposed to go along with it or else; and I don’t like that either. We all have a right to say what we know and what we think and if it hurts their feelings, then that’s just too bad. If they’re so brainwashed into this double-speak religion, a god of vengeance and a god who loves you, well that is their problem.

Jackie:  A god of vengeance, a god who loves you, “I’ll curse you if you don’t follow every one of my bloody statutes and I’ll bless you if you do.”

Alan:  “I’ll make rich ones to lord over you and I can make rich whoever I want to. I’ll have my favorites if I want them and I admire guys who can steal titles and property from others,” because that’s the whole story that they give you where Jacob gets the blessing that was supposed to be put on his brother. He cheated his old dad out of it trying to pretend he was the brother.

Jackie:  I thought was a really pathetic story when you read about it.

Alan:  It’s a good story for that type of conniving and cunning.

Jackie:  That a father would reject the gift of one son and accept the gift of the other.

Alan:  Yes, a half-blind old man.

Jackie:  Yes and not only that, but the one son, wasn’t he offering the fruits of his labors from the land?

Alan:  That’s right. What it symbolizes is the man of nature. It’s not real people, you see. What it also symbolizes is the one who has cunning and uses his intelligence but not his muscles to work and therefore it’s his right to take advantage of the schmucks. That’s the lesson there. That’s what the lesson is.

Jackie:  People who believe that story, then in their minds they would want to be like the son who was blessed, the liar, the one that’s cunning.

Alan:  The deceiver, and if God says that’s okay then that’s okay with them. Then they cannot complain when the government comes and steals whatever they have.

Jackie:  It’s like the story about Abraham and Sarah and they waited a hundred years to have a son but meantime–

Alan:  She wasn’t quite sure she wanted one.

Jackie:  Meantime, Hagar her handmaiden, she sent him in to Abraham to have a son and then when what was his name, Isaac, their son was born, she got jealous. She wanted what’s his name out of the way. What was his name? Born to Hagar.

Alan:  Yes, I know who you mean.

Jackie:  Okay, you know who I mean. Well, you read that in the Old Testament and the Lord said to Abraham – this is my of course paraphrasing, but it’s like okay it was fine that he impregnated this woman and had a child by her, but then when Isaac was born Sarah didn’t want them around and so the Lord said to Abraham get him out of here, put her on an ass and put him on an ass and send them away. Don’t upset Sarah. Alan, when you read that, that is so pathetically sick to believe that “Creator or God” would be that lacking in compassion.

Alan:  However, the ones who belong to this Mystery Religion and who believe that they are gods would do these things because they have no compassion for anyone outside their system.

Jackie:  But there are people who claim to be Christians who take a lot of stock in those Old Testament stories. In fact, it seems to me that Christians are more in love with the Old Testament than they are with the little 10 percent of the Bible, the gospels, which I know that isn’t all there anyway; but to read that and believe it, that is very sad to me because your heart tells you – I mean your heart knows or our inner knowing that that isn’t our Creator. We wouldn’t do that to somebody.

Alan:  No, but a mafia boss would.

Jackie:  Yes and they say well God can do anything he wants and that’s how they slough it off.

Alan:  I don’t waste my time with these people because you see when indoctrination takes it’s like an inoculation. They have that term “the inoculation has taken,” meaning it’s supposed to work. It’s the same with indoctrination. The ones who have come from even abusive families and it doesn’t have to be physical abuse, abuse of the mind is generally the first thing that happens, they grow up almost being obsessional with rules, regulations and laws.

Jackie:  And abuse of laws.

Alan:  Yes and so they gravitate right into that whole thing because the god that’s presented in the Old Testament is a very human, almost an alcoholic personality, “Come here, go away. I want to cuddle you or I might just turn around and smack you.” See that’s the ambivalence of this deity because it was basically an oriental king that they molded the whole thing on, a despot basically, so it’s nothing to do with a creator at all. It’s a man-made religion and within that man-made religion is an esoteric religion which is taught everywhere to select groups.

Jackie:  When I realized how important it is to have these conversations and it was a long time ago, Alan, because I remember it had to have been around in ’98 because I was doing the broadcast at 6 p.m.  I remember one of our listeners who called in and he said, I love listening to you and you’re so inspiring and et cetera, but, he said, Jackie, don’t you understand this is God’s plan, it’s in the book; and I gulped. I gulped and thought oh my goodness and when I got off the air that evening I said, Chuck, we have met the enemy and he is us and I think one of the most dangerous books in this world is the Holy Bible.

Alan:  That’s why it’s on every Masonic temple. They have it on the altar, that Black Book, the book is the law is black you see. That’s what it means. Saturn is always dressed in black. That’s why you have black-robed priests and rabbis and so on, and so their book is black because that’s the Saturnalian law.

Jackie:  Well, for any of our listeners who are listening, I just want you to know that these conversations would not be being had if it wasn’t very clear in my mind that it is the engine that is driving that will, if enough people don’t wake up to the lies, it will help to implement their plan for world dominion.

Alan:  The purpose of all psychological warfare is to disarm the enemies mind prior to anything occurring, and, of course, when you say, “it’s written in the Bible. It’s God’s plan” —

Jackie:  It’s the infallible word of God and the Bible seems to be worshipped.

Alan:  It is, especially the King James Version.

Jackie:  Yes, that’s the one.

Alan:  They think that’s the one that Jesus used.

Jackie:  That’s the one and only. We’re out of our hour. Alan, thanks for being here. Would you stay on the line when we go off?

Alan:  Sure.

Jackie:  Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night and thank you for being here with us tonight and I pray that your minds and your ears and your eyes are opened and that you will consider the conversations and maybe if you get Alan’s books, that might help a lot when you see the ancient records that he has in the books. It’s all there.

Alan Watt on

“Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru

June 29, 2005

Alan:  Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is actually Alan here. I’ll be on for a few minutes while Jackie has to attend to a few vital things and I think tonight we’ll be talking about some of the meanings behind Revelations. This is contained in the third book I put out there which deals with a lot of the history of banking and religion, which have always gone hand in hand in every age. I go through the meanings of Revelations and explain it as it really is, which is basically astro-theology as they call it, which again is simply the study of the stars, the times of the risings and settings of major stars and the planets of course. You’ll find the zodiac is very important in all of this because it’s the Heavenly Plan and that’s the term they use, which is also the term that George Bush, Sr. used discussing everything going the way of the Divine Plan or the Heavenly Plan. That’s when he gave his first New World Order speech and you’ll find it’s more of a timetable written in the sky and it was written many, many thousands of years ago and possibly even millions of years ago because the further we dig into history, we find that humanity—as we are today, that is, not ape men—but humanity definitely existed much, much further back than the Darwinists have told us.

In fact, Darwin I think was pulled out of the hat to try and cover up the fact that knowledge is not being discovered. Knowledge is being rediscovered and science is being rediscovered and very possibly it’s being reused and it’s coming from archives. That’s why research is called RE-SEARCH. Why isn’t it simply called search?

There’s very little today that we know of which wasn’t discussed many, many thousands of years ago, especially by the Greek philosophers. We find we have the Atomist School, as they called it, where they knew that nothing was really solid and the tiny particles of matter revolve around each other. We’re expected to believe that they simply came to these conclusions by their vast intellectual superiority – a bunch of nobility with nothing else to do but sit and think about things. Well, I don’t care how long you would think about something, if you don’t have access to high-tech civilizations with high-tech equipment, you could never come to that conclusion in a million years. This knowledge was known a long, long time ago and if we jump from there to “The New Atlantis” by Francis Bacon who wrote the book in the late 1500’s and it was published in 1602.

Jackie:  Alan?

Alan:  Hello.

Jackie:  I’m here and I want you to just continue what you’re saying, okay? And thank you very much.

Alan:  It’s a pleasure.

Jackie:  You were talking about “The New Atlantis”?

Alan:  Yes and “The New Atlantis” is the same thing.

Jackie:  Published in?

Alan:  1602.

Jackie:  Right. Go ahead now.

Alan:  We find that he talks about a land to the west which would be risen up to be a world leader and of course he’s talking about America. He said that it would have a form of government on the surface for the people where they would think they had a say in matters but in reality there would be an invisible government of an elite bunch of intellectuals and scientists who would make all the decisions. He called it “Solomon’s Land,” meaning the Brotherhood. That’s what he really was referring to was the Masonic Brotherhood or in his day Rosicrucianism. He said that they had laboratories under the ground and within mountains where they did scientific testing on different things and that all of the laboratories were powered by an energy which gave off the heat and light of the sun. Well, that’s what we have today with nuclear energy.

He then went on to say that in some of the laboratories they could take the tiniest particles of matter, living matter, animal or vegetable, mix them together and create new types of species and know exactly the types they wanted at the end before they even started, which tells you they’ve done it before. He also talked about a machine which could manipulate the weather. It could cause rainstorms or droughts. It could create hurricanes or tornadoes and be guided to their target.

Now this book “The New Atlantis” was a common book in universities for the last couple of hundred years or more and we’re expected to think that a man who lived in an age where the candle was the best form of light they had–

Jackie:  Yeah, 400 years ago?

Alan:  Yes, and the horse and carriage were the best form of land transport. We’re expected to believe this man dreamed all this stuff up by himself and wrote this tremendous book, which was also a prediction. As I say, America is the New Atlantis and we know today that we are basically running towards a plan. We’re part of a definite plan to “spread,” if you like, Solomon’s word across the world or make one system across the world. That’s what it really means and the United States is leading the charge and up until now it’s been financing most of it through the taxpayer.

Jackie:  Did you say that there was not evidence that Solomon’s Temple was ever built?

Alan:  That’s right. I mean even amongst the Rabbis there’s debates as to where it was, because if there ever was one they think it was much further to the north and not on the present site where Herod’s Temple was built. We know that Herod definitely built a temple.

Jackie:  Or he started building one.

Alan:  He built it and then the Romans destroyed it. It didn’t last terribly long.

Jackie:  So it wasn’t Solomon’s Temple that was destroyed?

Alan:  Probably not. The whole thing about the esoteric meaning of Solomon’s Temple, the temple is the individual High Mason. It’s yourself in other words. You’re rebuilding yourself. That’s what Solomon’s Temple really means and in the third book I go through this, what the real meanings are, as opposed to what we’ve been taught to believe – which is mainly fictitious characters or else as I say solar and stellar theology wrapped around stories concerning people. It’s very cleverly done because if you’re indoctrinated at such a young age to believe these poor people were wandering through the desert and we have their names and all this stuff, it doesn’t occur to us that these are all stories of the planets and stars and the sun going through the zodiac.

Jackie:  Even Revelations, from what I was reading and I did have to put it down, but that’s what I was getting out of it as you were explaining, that for example the lion with the 10 horns and they depict him as three different animals. You said that it’s the way that they have depicted the animals that are representing the different zodiacal signs–

Alan:  That’s right.

Jackie:  From one merging into the other, like spring into summer, those animals are, and that’s that lion; and the 10 horns, what does that mean?

Alan:  It’s the same thing. The old zodiac, the very, very old one only had 10 main symbols and so they stuck to that even though they updated it and added another two.

Jackie:  It was 10 crowns, wasn’t it?

Alan:  In fact today they’re even thinking of updating it to 14 because there are two more main constellations which have crept in there over the last few thousand years.

Jackie:  Was does the word Sephiroth mean?

Alan:  The Sephiroth, it means emanations. They talk about the 10 emanations from the deity and people study this all their lives often and never really catch on to what they’re talking about. Everything that’s put out there for people to follow is a maze of storytelling which captures the imagination and yet very few people see through what it really means and find the original meanings; and when they do, they kind of kick themselves because some people have spent an entire life studying this stuff, only to find out it’s so simple really.

Jackie:  How do you know what all this means, Alan?

Alan:  How do I know?

Jackie:  Yes.

Alan:  I always knew. I could see through things from a very early age and I can remember even going to Sunday school and hearing the stories and then it struck me because I also studied astronomy from a very early age and before I went to school and so I thought my God that’s got an awful lot in common with – for instance, if you chart the planet Venus over the course of a year with its risings, its settings and so on, you’ll find it forms the six-pointed star.

Jackie:  It actually does?  It makes the shape in its movement? It makes the shape of a six-pointed star and is that where that symbol came from then?

Alan:  Yes. That’s why they chose that as one of their main – and they didn’t choose it really. It was there long before there was any Hebrews.

Jackie:  Oh yes, right. Just like the cross.

Alan:  These are amazing timelines here. I mean even in the days of Sumer they had the same symbols and in the days of Sumer they already had the stellar charts marked out so accurately that they could predict major changes in eclipses 5,000 BC.

Jackie:  Wasn’t there a particular planet maybe in – was it the Pleiades, that the astronomers could not see even with their huge telescopes and yet they knew that there were seven when only six were visible?

Alan:  Actually there was eight at one time because the ancient Greeks talked about one of them blinking out. In other words, it went nova.

Jackie:  And they knew that and yet modern day astronomers it took them a long time.

Alan:  This is an amazing thing. When you go back into ancient Greece, they knew the world was round and they wrote about it and yet after the Catholic Church was created, suddenly we’re flat again. We we’re a flat earth for another few hundred years, so they go back and forth giving us our realities and it’s so easy to do when you’re all powerful and you have mainly an illiterate population. The ancient Greeks had so much of this charted, and they got it from the Egyptians who already had all that knowledge, but they knew the world was round.

In fact, one of the ancient Egyptians calculated by using obelisks as sundials and watching the shadows and measuring them and having lines of them across Egypt. He actually calculated the diameter of the earth within one percent of accuracy.

Jackie:  Who was that?

Alan:  It was an ancient man, he had a Greek name but he lived in Egypt and that was about 2,500 BC.

Jackie:  You had mentioned here in the book, this is on page 61, when you were first getting into Revelations that the writers of Revelations borrowed heavily from the Zend-Avesta, the Jewish Codes, Philo and the Gnostics. Who was Philo?

Alan:  He was another historian philosopher that existed around that period. There’s nothing in the original at all in the Old Testament. In fact, it was all borrowed, which tells me that the people who formulated it and we’ve got to start at the beginning with the Old Testament. The Old Testament was first put together we are told and the all rabbis agree about this either 300 BC and some say 100 BC but they all agree it was put together in Egypt by priests living in Egypt and they didn’t write it in Hebrew or Aramaic. They wrote it in Coptic Greek, so here we have a very high, probably illuminati of their day, who had the knowledge of Egypt and Greece and who knows how many other cultures putting together the Old Testament, what’s known as the Septuagint.

Putting that together in Egypt, writing it in Greek for supposedly an Aramaic-speaking people living in Israel. You have this ludicrous situation but the rabbis all agree that’s was how it was done and nothing survives – if there was any truth to any of it, nothing survives prior to that time. It was created in Egypt given to the Jewish people and even in the times of Jesus they were still using that version in the synagogues. They preferred that version and it wasn’t until about 100 AD that someone eventually tried to put together the first Aramaic or Hebrew version for the people. Whoever put this together had knowledge of different civilizations, different sciences of those civilizations and the histories of those civilizations and made up a fictitious history.

Jackie:  For example, Moses, it is said that the story of Moses is an exact duplicate of the story of Sargon the Elder, even of being put in the rushes in the water and being found as an infant.

Alan:  Even the floods, we know that Sumerians had the Epic of Gilgamesh and that was the first story form of any kind of flood and the ones who survived it, so everything was borrowed from other previous civilizations.

Jackie:  When did you say that they first put the Old Testament in writing?

Alan:  The date that they argue amongst themselves is around 300 BC or even as close as to within 100 BC. We’ve got to understand that at that period the place that we call Israel today was a hodgepodge of immigrants from civilizations that had moved out of their own countries because of warfare.

Jackie:  Do you know why people believe it though? Because the gentleman that I talked to this week, he mentioned at different times that Jesus allegedly had talked about Moses and the prophets et cetera, et cetera and so that it had to be real.

Alan:  Well, if that’s good enough for him, that’s fine. However, I think for many, many people it’s not good enough.

Jackie:  The way it appeared to me is that they put those words in his mouth so they could tie the old with the new.

Alan:  There’s no doubt they kept updating the New Testament too, and here you have a situation in the New Testament where somebody came out, spoke against the Pharisees. Now the Pharisees were one small sect in that area–

Jackie:  But very powerful.

Alan:  Very powerful but they were one – in fact they were the illuminati of their day. They were called illuminati as well. They were a brotherhood, very secretive, who actually in the writings out there that many Jews know of where the Pharisees themselves looked upon the common Jew no differently from anyone else, they were the bottom of the heap. They were one small sect amongst many sects and of course they appeared out of Babylon. That’s when they first came into being is from Babylon, so there’s speculation as to was this Mystery Babylon simply moving out and moving elsewhere. That’s the key to Mystery Babylon. Mystery Babylon is wherever they go with the money, with the system, the trading, the banking, the usury, owning the sciences of every era because they own the money supply of every era and that’s basically it – Mystery Babylon was a mystery because it was one place and many places at the same time.

Jackie:  You said that the frequent reference to seven in Revelations is to the then known seven planets.

Alan:  That’s right. In fact, those were the degrees of what today they would call Freemasonry. Those were the seven degrees that the Greek nobility went through, the Egyptian nobility went through, and every other Aramaic-speaking peoples went through. That was the standard international brotherhood of its time and those were the seven degrees.

Jackie:  And the Magi kept temples?

Alan:  Yes and the same with Jacob’s seven steps on the ladder going up to God. That was the seven degrees. That’s why it’s in every Masonic lodge, that picture. We’re talking about an inner brotherhood–

Jackie:  And it’s all just about the planets and the situation of the planets and stuff?

Alan:  That’s the basis of it all and of course it also refers to, as they say, “as above, so below,” so they wrote a system of government where they could rule the world into the stars.

Jackie:  I don’t understand that.

Alan:  It’s in the book actually. The whole thing is in the book.

Jackie:  Okay, so I haven’t gotten there.

Alan:  I even put diagrams in there where you’ll see the upturned triangle resting on the apex of the other triangle and I put the earth plane and the heaven plane, and so as it comes down, as the heavens come to the earth plane, the sun becomes the sun king on earth and the helpers of the heavenly host end up as the bureaucrats, lawyers and so on.

Jackie:  And that’s what they mean by as above, so below?

Alan:  That’s one of the main – that was the original meaning. The whole thing was a system of how a few could dominate the majority.

Jackie:  I’m only about three pages in to the section on Revelations and that’s what I wanted to get to but I was afraid I would miss something if I went right back to Revelations and I can see – I mean I’ve made some highlights but I can see. I could go back and read this again and each time I read it understand something that I didn’t understand the first time I was reading it because that’s already happened. I read a couple of pages over in the morning because I was reading it at night and I was sleepy so I picked up and went right back and read those and I caught so much more.

Alan:  Actually, I write things in a way which has the meanings contained within the meanings, so each time you do read it you will see another layer. There’s a technique to that because the standard technique of teaching and conditioning we’ve all gone through with standardized education doesn’t make your mind participate in your downloading. You simply get downloaded and you repeat that download for examinations and you forget it all.

Jackie:  Exactly. That was just what I was thinking. It would be like reading this and being given a test and as long as I answered the question according to what was written I would get an ‘A’ and I wouldn’t even understand what I had read.

Alan:  Yes, that’s right and that goes even for many professions. That’s exactly the technique. They don’t have to understand. They just have to be able to parrot it back and then they forget it. Therefore when you can write in a certain style towards the persons, you understand where they are in their head space because of the conditioning, you can actually help deprogram that person as they actually work through the book.

Jackie:  Wow. Then it would be a good recommendation that this book be read more than one time.

Alan:  Definitely.

Jackie:  Well, all of the three of them, but this particular one is the one I’m into now.

Alan:  As I say, we’ve always been run in this planet at least since the beginning of money and priesthoods that go hand in hand and usury, which is the system of keeping control over a people. You start to control people by introducing your money and then your goods and then giving loans out. Once you have loans with interest, then you own the people basically because generations are signed down to paying off the debt. This system has been here for thousands upon thousands of years and people don’t realize that thousands of years ago it was terribly sophisticated just as it is today. There really is nothing new under the sun as they say. Even by the use of war, the bankers had all of the ancient countries fighting each other and then they would bring in their system and give the funding to create standing armies once they had their puppet master in control, their king or whoever they put there, and then they’d go in and invade another country that was not using their system. Then they’d force that system upon them and bring in the same thing, so this has been going on forever.

When we look at the Moslem countries today, the countries who don’t allow usury and often don’t have a central bank, the U.S. is simply finishing off the job so that the whole world will be under the same system of centralized banking, centralized government, all connected to an international global government.

Jackie:  And Omar Khayyam wrote about it.

Alan:  I put that in there, too, just to let people see that there are old writings about this.

Jackie:  That was the 11th century. Do you remember that?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Well, say it to our listeners what you wrote that he wrote. What! Out of senseless nothing—

Alan:  Yes, “to provoke a conscious Something to resent the yoke“…

Jackie:  …”Of unpermitted pleasure, under pain of everlasting penalties, if broke! What! From his helpless creature be repaid. Pure gold for what he lent us dross-allay’d – Sue for a debt we never did contract. And cannot answer–oh the sorry trade!”

Alan:  Yes, because once they had their gold in circulation they then withdrew it into the bank they set up and gave cheap alloyed coinage out in lieu of it to represent it. Then they would lend you back, when you went for a loan, they’d lend you this alloyed, he calls it dross. Dross is what’s left over from coal. It’s the garbage.

Jackie:  Alan, lets pick this up on the other side of this break. This is fascinating. Folks, we’ll be right back right after this break. This is fascinating, Alan, and I noticed that underneath those two verses you took a couple of paragraphs to explain what Omar Khayyam was writing about, and you want to go ahead and finish explaining that?

Alan:  What he was saying there was what they’d already been doing and was recorded – they’d done the same thing around 1800 BC when they really started bringing in their gold in big time by trade into countries and this is before they coined the money. They weighed it out and they brought the merchants with them so they were all related, the bankers and the merchants with their ships and so it was easier for them when they invented coinage around 800 BC because then they opened up banks where people could deposit their gold and silver. There was more silver actually than gold in use at the time and they were told that they would facsimiles in exchange for their gold from the bank. They would get either clay ones with the stamp on it with a number of the currency – and they found thousands of jars that were sealed with wax because if moisture got to them you lost all our money. They also gave out eventually the alloys, the cheap alloys of copper mixed with other things, in lieu of the gold. In Sparta, for instance, when the king realized there was a con game going on he demanded and he went with his guards to the bank that actually was set up from the Middle East.

Jackie:  This was in Persia?

Alan:  Persian and Spartans as well, they both did the same thing and they went into the temple. See, the temples were used as the banks. In fact, often the first funding of usury was to build a temple which doubled as a bank and when the kings went in to find where the gold was, there was nothing there because the bankers, once they had given out the facsimiles, the cheap alloys, had moved the gold somewhere else for a loan to pull the same stunt on another country. This has been going on forever, this same game, and when Omar Khayyam wrote about it, it was the same deal. They issued him a statement that he now has x-amount of money.

Jackie:  It was a loan, a paper loan.

Alan:  However, when he got his first bill in to him, he had to pay it back in real gold, so that was the con game that was going on. Technically, they’d given them the cheap facsimiles of worthless coinage, which was accepted at the time as long as people did accept it, but he had to pay the interest and the payments in real gold to the bankers. This is quite a fascinating thing. Today it’s no different. The international bankers simply write a check out to the treasuries which print up the money, but the countries that get permission to print up the money have to pay back the bankers in real gold, silver or real goods, which is a sweetheart deal. This has been going on for thousands and thousands of years and yet banking even today is a mysterious body and we’re told that it’s just too complicated for us to understand.

Jackie:  Well of course it is because they make it so complicated.

Alan:  It’s really very simple. It’s a scam from the beginning.

Jackie:  Yes and that is exactly – at least it appears from the little we get of the history of what Jesus was exposing.

Alan:  Yes, because it was no different than other countries. He went to the main temple there and the bankers were doing their usury there, as they had all over the ancient world, because they always sat in the porch of the churches all over the world and did their deals and exchanged money openly. Again, it was so clever, because in every religion, it doesn’t matter what religion you belonged to, you could not give donations within the church except in your own coinage. When you went in from another area or a different country you had to exchange what you had for their coins and of course they would charge an awful lot more on the transaction. It was international money trading that was going on and Jesus of course exposed it in his day and was quite open about it. Then he came up against the Pharisees who were part of the whole deal obviously and I think anybody would get crucified if you cut to the heart of the matter and he certainly did, you know.

Now all the rest of it that was tacked on to control the people was fairly typical. They’d used heroes in past times and killed them and then used those very people who spoke truth to then control the people’s minds, like turn the other cheek. If you turn the other cheek, I know who’s going to win.

Jackie:  Yes, right. But that’s what they say he said.

Alan:  Here’s a guy who gets crucified, killed by the government of his day and yet later on in Paul’s writings they have “obey your government because it’s put there by God.” A total contradiction of the life of the man they supposedly followed. By those very words, that means that why are they complaining about Adolph Hitler? He was an elected part of the government. Why did they complain about Napoleon or Lenin? In other words, any government is put there by God so obey it, you see. No, these were all tacked in.

Jackie:  You know what they used there, that saying that Jesus supposedly said and maybe did, “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render under to God what is God’s.”

Alan:  Oh yes, they’ll use that.

Jackie:  So that’s what they use to justify that you’re supposed to obey your government.

Alan:  Yes, regardless of how tyrannical it is, but if Jesus would have obeyed his and kept quiet and did what they said, don’t speak out anymore and ask for forgiveness, he would have been alive you see.

Jackie:  Yes and don’t you love it that that Pharisee Paul was sainted by the church. They call him St. Paul.They won’t the word Saul. I guess that’s too Jewish sounding.

Alan:  It’s not really. Again, it’s esoteric because there’s more meanings to Saul. If you take the Latin version, Sol is the sun.

Jackie:  So what does the sun – when they always refer to the sun, El the sun, On the sun, the Hebrew, and what was the ON?

Alan:  ON is the phallic reproductive power of the sun. In other words, the life energy that it gives for creation.

Jackie:  What does that mean, his name the sun?

Alan:  You’ll find that in all the mystery religions, including some present day Christian sects, that when you are initiated into that sect you are given a new name.

Jackie:  Okay, but what does the word SUN mean to them?

Alan:  The mystery religion passes the power of the father who’s initiated into his own offspring the son, so you have SUN and SON and they both mean the same thing. That’s why they both sound the same.

Jackie:  What do they mean to them, Alan? The SUN, S-U-N and S-O-N?

Alan:  It’s means that you are the son of an illuminati. Even in ancient Egypt – now we’re told about all the languages and how they confuse things with changing languages. In ancient Egypt, a man was also called S—and they have a little dot where the vowel would go—N, so it was SON. Sometimes they spell it in modern times they call it SEN, so the SUN in the sky technically was called the sun. The same word as we use today and his offspring was also a son, no different than a man’s offspring.

Jackie:  So the Sun in the sky was the Son of God?

Alan:  Yes, it’s all allegory. They didn’t believe it was really a god. It was allegory for a potent power. We even use the same word for a male erection. It’s called – you know what it’s called – the hard–. That’s where that comes from because that’s what they called also the obelisks in Egypt, that was the ON, the erect phallus of the person on earth who had been deified as a god. He’d gone through the degrees and now he deserved his own ON. And they put that into the English language. Of course, most people will think well that’s coincidence.

Jackie:  Yes, right. Same thing as calling our children “kids,” and it goes way beyond just a baby goat when you see the Goat of Mendes as their universal sign of Satan.

Alan:  Even Lenin talked about the new technique or science of neologisms, new word creations.

Jackie:  Neology.

Alan:  Where they would literally dehumanize as they split up families and then parents to children so that the state could indoctrinate the children. He said we will use different terms for the children and dehumanize them in adults’ eyes.

Jackie:  Well, kids are the good ones. We were called kids and it was done lovingly. I called my girls kids and at first it was brought to my attention that a kid is a baby goat and that’s when I quite calling my grandchildren kids. However, when I saw that picture of the Goat of Mendes, that evil putrid looking thing with women’s breasts and a man’s erected phallus–

Alan:  The hermaphrodite.

Jackie:  The hermaphrodite with the goat’s head and they said this is the universal representation of Satan; and I thought, my God, we’re not just calling our children baby goats. We’re calling them spawn of Satan. And anybody who knows that and continues to say “kids” about their children, I think there’s something wrong.

Alan:  Well, we know there’s a lot wrong.

Jackie:  “Oh well, it doesn’t mean anything.” Yes, it does mean something.

Alan:  Yes, but you’ve said yourself about people who use the fluoride in toothpaste who know better and they understand what you mean when you tell them about it, but they go ahead and buy the same stuff anyway.

Jackie:  “Oh, I didn’t know that.” They pay for their poison.

Alan:  There are people no matter what you present to them who will carry on because they believe. See, their inoculation of indoctrination has taken with them and they truly believe that the media tells them everything that they would need to know, and if the media doesn’t tell them, they won’t believe you.

Jackie:  You know the thing is the whole dog-gone language is made up so that we speak their stuff–

Alan:  We do.

Jackie:  And there are times when I think, okay, how are we going to talk if the only language we know is the language that they gave us. You went through the alphabet one time and the different symbols of the different letters and what they mean, and the school bus. It’s yellow and black. It’s carrying the little worker bees in it, the little future worker bees.

Alan:  And they have spelling bees at school.

Jackie:  They have spelling bees. Then I found that prayer, tripped over it looking for something in a Maryland newspaper online Monday and it was a minister’s sermon about how we should emulate the bees. Remember that, Alan?

Alan:  In Christian theology, even in Roman Catholic theology from the beginning, which doesn’t surprise me, they also used the symbol of the beehive, as the pharaohs had before them, as the perfect society with the royalty at the top (the Queen) and the drones (meaning the priests round about her) who decided what the rest would be to eat, which would turn them. They’d didn’t get the royal jelly. They got the lower grade which turned them into worker bees. They’ve always looked upon the beehive, even the Minoans – that’s where the bankers lived in at the Aegean Sea at one point on the islands there and they called themselves Minoans at that time. They have dug up these pottery replicas of the beehive and it was a very sacred symbol there for them because that was them creating their order wherever they went.

Jackie:  Do you know what that brings to mind? Pat Schroeder was a U.S. Congresswoman from Colorado and I heard her – I even got it on tape on C-Span one day. They were talking about, oh gee, I can’t remember what it was, but something about the children and she said our children shouldn’t even be brought into this. They are our future of tomorrow. They are our greatest natural resource.

Alan:  Resource.

Jackie:  More so than gas and oil. In other words, she said – I wish I could remember it closer to what it was. That’s basically the way she said it. They are the future tax base of this country. They are our greatest natural resource. Now I wonder if that woman – I wonder if these people crawl out from under rocks, Alan, that they can say something like that.

Alan:  I know, and yet the high economists that advise on the system are well aware that that’s exactly how it is. It’s a legalistic system which has everyone born into this system as a potential laborer and tax producer with x-amount of years to put so much work into the tax base. That’s why only this system is allowed to exist, because it enables a bunch of elitists at the top who do very little and they do no real work and could not survive in any system outside this particular one they have created because they’re useless at anything else. It allows them to live high on the hog. Higher than anyone else and live a life of luxury. Technically, they don’t even own anything. They have the use during their lifetime of incredible government-owned buildings across not just the one country, but across the planet and that goes right back to Plato in “The Republic.”  He said we’d create this system. He says “why own something and then have to hire guards to watch your property and then pay for the maintenance and upkeep.”  He said “why not have ourselves as the government and the public will then maintain it all. Pay for it, build it, supply it with guards for us,” and that’s the system we live in today.

Jackie:  Well now this sounds pretty – it’s like we would have to quit almost breathing not to be in their system.

Alan:  They have made it so.

Jackie:  Well I understand that, but you know I want to say this because we’ve gotten to a point, sometimes we do this in our conversations, where I get to a point where I’m like okay you can’t talk without using their language that they gave us and we “live” with the exchange of this fictitious paper and it brings me to a point where it’s like what is the use? Then I remember and I really believe this is true what you said. When we were talking about the Federal Reserve one day and the gold, that people keep wanting to go back to gold as the standard not really understanding because I didn’t. They control the gold.

Alan:  Always did.

Jackie:  Yes and so it doesn’t matter whether it’s paper or what it is, when they have control of it they can make a shortage of it any dog gone time they want. But one of the things you said when I in my huffiness because you were ticking me off because everything I said, you said no it isn’t going to work. You cannot get out of their system by using their system.

Alan:  That’s right.

Jackie:  Then I said, okay, fine, what’s your solution? and you said if enough people get it, this system will collapse of itself.

Alan:  It’s a complete fiction.

Jackie:  It is a fiction but people have to really get it that it’s a fiction.

Alan:  That’s right.

Jackie:  It’s just like they’re selling the air today, Alan.

Alan:  I know.

Jackie:  Well you know with those pollution credits. Jesus! They crush a car is worth $700 in pollution credits and they sell the actual – some large corporation pays the $700 to the government to pay the person whose car they crushed and that corporation gets to spew out $700 worth of tons of crud into the air. Now they are selling it across international borders.

Alan:  Yes and you can pay in advance now.

Jackie:  They’re selling the air.

Alan:  The great King James of the Bible when he wasn’t chasing the pageboys – and that’s a fact if anybody wants to study up on it – he taxed the light and the air.

Jackie:  The light. Oh, windows.

Alan:  Yes, the window. If you opened the window then you were also–

Jackie:  No, no. I think what it was, was however many windows you had in your house to let the light in.

Alan:  But also when you had them open and the taxman came around, then you were taxed extra because that window could open to let air in. That was a big luxury. They taxed everything you could imagine and a lot we can’t imagine, I suppose, because it’s still to come. They’ve tried all this before and as I say that one priest or scholar actually, young guy who left his records in Sumer, he said I look to the left to the horizons. He says horizons to horizon and all I see is government buildings. He says they tax our food. They tax the fishermen as they bring in their fish. Before they could land the fish they had to pay taxes on it. The fish were taxed when sold at the market. When they go to bury a relative and leave offerings on the grave, he says the government man comes and demands tax and payment for the offerings or else they’d take the offering. That’s death duties. Nothing has changed you know. This is a slavery system, more sophisticated than it’s ever been before, and that’s what Charles Galton Darwin said in the 1950’s. He said, “we are creating a new more sophisticated form of slavery and very few will be able to figure it out.” Once you’re conditioned into it, it’s hard to figure it out.

Jackie:  I don’t know if we have time here but I would like to quote from page 59 of the book. This is where you were telling about the Royal Institute and et cetera and the CFR and you said “the following extract is taken from an international meeting from June 8th to 10th, 1931 in Copenhagen. The speaker is Professor Arnold Toynbee, Director of Studies for the Royal Institute of International Affairs, London, England. He was also master of…”

Never mind, I can’t do it. We’re out of time. Folks, I would recommend that you get Alan’s books. I think it really can help to pull us out of the lies that we have been born into and we just don’t want to let go of, and then maybe when you see some of this stuff it will begin, for those of you who really want the truth, this is a dog-gone good start. Alan, thanks again for being with us today and thank you for the work you’ve done here. Ladies and gentlemen, have a lovely four days and we’ll look for you back on Monday.

(Transcribed by Linda)