Quote from Hamish on March 10, 2021, 7:44 pm

Jackie Patru: Alright.  Well, say hello to our listeners this evening, and let them know what your website is.  I’ve got water boiling, and I want to go get my tea, okay?

Alan Watt: Yeah, you can catch me, Alan Watt, at cuttingthroughthematrix.com.  And there are different programs and shows which you can download for free, audio shows, and one video.  And you can do it both on landline and on highspeed.  It takes longer on the landline.  Some people have downloaded it on the landlines without any problems at all.  And the webmaster has made it pretty simple, which people like me really need, actually, in order to find out how to download the stuff.  But it’s up there.  There will be more added to it shortly, including some CDs which are coming out, a whole series of them.  I also have three books for sale, which are called Cutting Through.  And these books, I, II, and III, go into the occult hidden societies behind rulerships and kingdoms and governments and so on, down through the ages, up until the present time.  And I give you a lot of Masonic and High Masonic coding contained within them.  And in the third one, I go into the monetary connection between the system we live in, which is called civilization; we’ve always had money at the beginning of what we call civilization, or the system, which basically dictates the way we live, how we live, who will live better than whom, and how wars are created and made and so on from thousands of years BC up until the present.  It really hasn’t changed in its structure, its intentions, or its methodology.  So, you can order those books, and you’ll see again, the address on the website to order them from.  I don’t know if Jackie is back yet or not.  I guess not.

Jackie: I’m back.

Alan: You’re back, eh?

Jackie: I’m back.

Alan: This is live.  This is live radio.  (Laughter)

Jackie: Alan, you know, I think we’ve got a delay going on here or something.

Alan: Really?  Oh.

Jackie: Yeah, because you’re not responding as quickly.  And then I keep wondering if I’ve lost you.

Alan: No, unless maybe the secret service is trying out a different computer that I’m going through first, yeah, so they can.  Yeah, you never know.

Jackie: Right.  Did you tell them, because I was in the kitchen, and couldn’t hear what you were saying, did you tell them about being on George Noory?

Alan: No.  I was asked to go on the George Noory Show by the producer.  And I’ve accepted.  We’ll see if it still goes ahead.  If it does, it will be on the overnight of the 10th and the 11th of this month.  And I don’t know how long it’s on for either.  I don’t know if it’s an hour or more.  And this happened after I was on the Rollye James show, for three hours, so I guess the word got round, and we’ll see how the next one goes.  I’m kind of looking forward to it.  Hello?  I guess Jackie has gone for her tea again.

(Electronic Pulse Sound Interference)

Alan: Wow, what was that?  What was that sound there?

Jackie: What was what?  Was it bad?

Alan: It was a clashing, electronic sound.

Jackie: I thought that was at your place.

Alan: No.  It was a dee-dee-dee-dee-dee.  To me it sounded like some sort of electronic pulsation or something.

Jackie: Well, on the George Noory thing, you’ve sent your books, right?  They wanted the books.  You’ve mailed the books to them?

Alan: Yeah.  That will give them an idea, I guess of questions and things to ask.

Jackie: Well, we’ll see once they read your books if they’re going to bring you on.

Alan: That’s right.  They might cancel, and say, oh, no, this guy is too far out there.

Jackie: Well our listeners need to know that it’s been scheduled, you did say, overnight the 10th and 11th of April.  And you’re scheduled to be on at 2am Eastern time, right, Alan?

Alan: I think it is.

Jackie: Well, you said 11 Pacific, so that would be 2am.  And you’re not sure.  So, folks, this is really amazing.  The fact that he was on the Rollye James Show and 6 FM stations, and the information is getting out, and I just think it’s a miracle, Alan.

Alan: Yes.  And also, I was also on last week there, I got a sudden call to go back on The Edge Show for half an hour, because the guest hadn’t turned up.  So it’s nice to see that these things are starting to happen now.

Jackie: Yes, it is.  And it is a possibility that you might wind up saying more than their handlers want you to say, but the beauty of this is that you’re having the opportunity to get in front of so many people.

Alan: Yes, that’s it.

Jackie: I think it’s a miracle.  To me, it’s like a miracle.

Alan: Well, it’s been a long time coming.  I mean, we started in ’98, and just worked quietly and plodded on, you know.  And for some reason.

Jackie: You’d be surprised how many of our listeners have contacted me over the years, Lily mentioned this, she said in the American Free Press, we would get on or I would get on a topic on Sweet Liberty, and she said, right after that the American Free Press would be on it.  She said it happened way too many times to be coincidence.  And Eleanor called me from Canada, and you had said this too, that you noticed a lot of times Art Bell, a radio talk show host, repeating you, almost quoting you, but yet, of course, never acknowledging the source.  And Eleanor called one night, and this was, I don’t know, at least a couple of years broadcast or whatever, and she said, Jackie, tune into Art Bell, what he’s doing right now is just an extension of what you and Alan just got done doing.  So, they’ve probably been listening, Alan.

Alan: And also the other thing was, well, there’s a shortwave broadcaster too, who would often mention topics the next day, which we discussed the night before.  But sure, I have no doubt.  The giveaway is that there must be...  See, I know there are people out there who monitor all the airwaves.  And I know this for a fact, because there was a show on a Toronto station one day, a bit of news, and I really wanted to get a hold of the original copy, and I contacted the station, and they said they couldn’t, they didn’t have a copy to give me, but they put me in touch with an organization which does international monitoring of all the airwaves. And I wrote to them, and sure enough, it cost me 60 dollars for a cassette tape, mind you, but this organization does monitor all radio shows and television shows in the entire country.  And I thought, this has to be run by some government agency.  So, they do scan all the information that’s being put out there, and I guess that way they can head off that information by putting out people with their own spin on it, you know.  That’s how they keep control of the information.  So, when someone is coming out with some truth, they put out a superhero that then repeats it, and because god has said it, and with a spin on it, the people will listen to it, where the original person is forgotten in the wash, you know.  That’s how it works.

Jackie: You know, I’ll tell you a good example of that.  When there was a lot, actually, it was early on, when we first started talking about chemtrails, and that would have been the summer of ’98, Alan.  But we were really hitting it heavy at the time, and that was before you started, because you actually began coming on in the winter, December of ’98, but it was within a year, or maybe that year, it was ABC, one of the networks, part of the news network, I’ve got it on video.  They had a three or four minute thing on chemtrails.  Of course they were calling them contrails.  And they were even showing them what they looked like from the satellites.  And they showed Xs in the sky.  And they said that these were from commercial jet airplanes, and that they were very concerned that this might be part of the cause of global warming.

Alan: Yeah, they said it was contrail clutter.

Jackie: They said it was contrails.

Alan: And they called it clutter.

Jackie: Contrail clutter, yeah.  Contrails that didn’t dissipate, right. And I wonder how many people who weren’t aware of what a “chemtrail” is looked at that, and said, wait a minute.  That’s not a contrail.  Contrails don’t last.  Contrails dissipate almost as fast as the airplane leaves it.

Alan:  But everything is new in the New World Order.  We have a New World Order, and we have a new freedom, and we have new contrails, you see.  Everything is new.

Jackie: And new hurricane weather patterns.

Alan: That’s right.  And tornadoes.  And yet every one of these things, this is the beauty of very high tech manipulation.  The beauty of it is that as long as they don’t admit they’re using very high sciences, even though they admit that they have these abilities and installations to do so.  As long as they don’t admit they’re actually using them, we can never, ever get the absolute proof, except what we see by our own reason.  You know.  That’s how it works.  So everything in other words that we see.

Jackie: I have written it down, but it’s on another page here, that when you had a visitor, one of our friends here from Pennsylvania, and you mentioned in the wintertime there, it happened last winter, and evidently this winter too, that after the snow melted there was this white haze all over the ground.  And he took a sample of it and had it analyzed.  And what were the metals that they found in that thing, Alan?

Alan: Barium.  There was barium, there was aluminum oxide, copper, titanium, and some other metallic substances.  But this laboratory didn’t have the facilities to do a biological check on it.  But at least we got all the metals there.  But yeah, the whole field, once the last snow melts for a few days, you have maybe four or five inches of, it’s like tiny interwoven cobwebs, that’s what it looks like.  It’s like a candy floss all over the field.  And once the sun works on it for four or five days, then it crumbles into a powder which lasts for quite a while.  But that was the time of year where my dog died.  Other people I know, their cats and dogs were getting sick as well, vomiting and so on, and I think it was from basically eating the snow.  See, that’s the last of the concentrated spraying for the whole winter.  That’s maybe four months, five months of snow, of spraying all in that snow, you see.

Jackie: Alan, remember the [inaudible] just prior to Meggie?  She had a sudden heart attack.  She had no signs of any illness whatsoever.  But when you mentioned snow.  She’d go out there and she’d look just like a machine.  She’d put her mouth in the snow and just eat her way through it.  And it never ever occurred to me until you just said that that might have.  Because Mariah would go out, Mariah didn’t eat the snow, she rolls in it.  She rolls in it.

Alan: But then they lick their fur, they lick their paws, you know.

Jackie: And it was in February, right around the first of February.  And Megan died, about a month later or before that.

Alan: That was March.  Yeah, March, the end of March.

Jackie: Okay, there you go.

Alan: You literally have four months of spraying all condensed into that thin little layer you see.  That’s a lot of chemicals.  And that’s what’s left at the end, is this polymer type of sponge almost.  And then it crumbles into a white powder, and even the leaves that it rests upon turn pure white with it, you know.  That’s a lot of chemicals.  That’s what we’re being doused with.  And this falls right along with the HAARP technology, because in HAARP, they mentioned many, many years ago, that they could use HAARP on a more sophisticated level, if they could douse the atmosphere with metallic particles, because it would be a good electrical conduit.  But we’re also taking this stuff in.  We’re breathing it in.  We’re eating it from the food.  It’s in the water.  So, we also are becoming walking antennas.  And surely none of this can be a byproduct, a coincidence of it all.  Perhaps that’s their intention.

Jackie: Some time ago, remember, I told you about [inaudible] and the flyer I got on it.  It’s some type of amino acid, I think.  And the flyer, the FDA has acknowledged, that you cleanse the body of heavy metals, toxins, heavy metals, but not how well it does with cleaning out the arteries.  That’s the point they were making.  But at that point, I remember saying this, and I thought about it again, when you were giving me that list of metals.  We need to check out and see if it really will help to flush that from the body, Alan.  Don’t you think it’s worth looking into?

Alan: Oh, sure, absolutely.  I’m sure the elite themselves must have some very sophisticated methods of ridding it from themselves.  They must be doing it.

Jackie: Yeah, because they’re out and about, aren’t they?

Alan: I’m sure that they do.  Whatever the public have access to on a medical level is always antique, really, and they’re always so far ahead, near the top, they must have very sophisticated methods of ridding this from their body.  We know that they do get inoculations, the real inoculations, against many of the hybrid designed bacteriums and viruses from germ warfare labs.  They do get inoculations against all of these high diseases.  So, they would also get some sort of high chelation type therapy.

Jackie: And that’s what [inaudible] is, is chelation therapy.

Alan: But it’s a dangerous world we’re living in.  It’s always been rather dangerous in this system, but it’s getting more overt now.  We can see the effects, we can look at the skies and actually see this stuff coming down.  One, I think it was last winter, when it’s cold, the polymer, the stuff that causes the rainbow effects around the sun when they’re spraying heavily, you’ll find the polymer, when it’s really cold weather, sometimes comes down, it comes down in clumps.  And I saw one about six feet long, tumbling through the sky, slowly, and then it hit a tree and then gradually started to dissolve.  And so, that’s what they used to call angel hair, back in the 60s when they were experimenting with this stuff on the public.  And of course, the diversion that the CIA put out was, oh there’s always UFOs in the vicinity when this stuff is coming down, this angel hair, but really, they were testing it themselves on the public, and then, no doubt, they knew what the results would be by following the medical records of local areas, you know.

Jackie: What it sounds like to me is that ethyl dibromide.  And remember I told you, that was in ’98 when I received that email, and it said it’s confirmed that it’s been in the chemtrails.

Alan: But there’s many substances, and again, I’d love to get biological tests done on this stuff to see if there’s viruses.  Because I know, back in the 1950s, when it was Teller that created the H-Bomb, he first suggested using this type of spray for electromagnetic pulse purposes, the HAARP purpose.  And he also said that the polymer that they could mix it with could also be used to carry bacterium or viruses across vast areas in wartime.  So, I’d love to get a sample done on a biological level.

Jackie: When I got the manufacturer’s safety data sheet on the ethyl dibromide, it did say that it freezes at about 50 degrees.  And it dissipates in the sun.  And when I called that lab, the gentlemen, they put me in touch with the guy that actually did the analysis.  And he said, I can’t give you the results, because somebody, a private individual had the sampling done, the analysis.  But he said, I will tell you this one thing, there’s no more than 10% EDB in this sample.  And the FDA, around the 80s, I think, had put out an emergency stoppage on the use of EDB, ethyl dibromide, as they were using it, they had used it for about a decade as pesticide.  And I got a lot of information about pesticides, as part of environmental protection, because they were the ones that really began to want to know what was the safety of this stuff.  And they were spraying it on dried corns and grains and things like that.  They were using it as a pesticide and all the tests that had been done on it were by the company that manufactured the EDB, and they kept saying it was safe.  So, after a decade, then the EPA puts out an emergency stop usage.  There is no safe level of ethyl dibromide.  And according to this guy at the lab in Ohio that I spoke with, he said there was no more than 10% in that sample that he analyzed.  And one of our listeners in, I believe it was Arkansas, called me just before I went on the air the one day, that’s when I was on at 6pm.  And he said, they’ve been spraying, and he said Jackie, this stuff is hanging off the trees.  And he grabbed a film canister and went out and got a sample of it.  And he was holding it, and I told him, put a mask on and gloves.  And he went out to get a sample, and he got back on the phone, and he was describing it to me, like you said.  It looked like it was lacy, like angel hair.

Alan: It’s like that candy cane, you know that stuff.

Jackie: You’re talking about cotton candy.

Alan: Cotton candy.  In Britain you call it candy floss, you know.  But that’s the stuff.

Jackie: As he was watching it, it was dissipating.  So, I suggested that he get it in the freezer right away, and he did, and it stopped, you know, it stopped melting, dissipating.  And do you know, I don’t really know what came of that.  And we were in touch off and on, and I don’t know if he was able to find a lab that would do an analysis on it.  That’s very bad stuff.  That stuff you’re describing is what he described, Alan.

Alan: Yeah, I know.  Well, this is happening all over the country.  This is all kept quiet by the regular media, and anyone who can trust the regular media, when this is happening above your heads every day, I mean, why would you expect any truth from them.  And to be honest, I think this is the number one crisis that we have to face at the moment.  This secrecy around what’s happening above our heads is terribly ominous.  They know it’s detrimental to our health.  They know they can’t tell the public what it is or why they’re doing it.  And yet there’s a priority obviously for doing so.  I think this is the number one thing that we have to really get out into the open, because until this stops, I don’t think people are going to survive too long, with all the infections they’re getting.  It’s probably affecting their mind as well.  We know that Alzheimer’s patients have large quantities of aluminum oxide in their brain tissue.  And this stuff that they’re spraying...

Jackie: Is it aluminum oxide or aluminum?

Alan: It’s aluminum.  All types and traces of aluminum are detrimental in the brain.  And unfortunately, that’s where it seems to be taken up to and it gets deposited.  So, it could certainly affect memory, for instance.  I think it’s also possible that there’s drugs in this stuff, since Rumsfeld came on after 9/11 and said that they had vast quantities of aerosolized Prozac and Valium to spray over entire cities, if there’s another crisis, in order to calm the people.  It makes perfect sense as we go through these big changes we have to go through, and they are of a global change, basically, the changes we have to go through.  It makes perfect sense they’d want to drug the populace as we go through them and bring us out into a completely new way of living.  So, I wouldn’t put anything past them.

Jackie: That stuff I was talking about isn’t EDT, it’s EDTA.  And I was thinking that maybe one of our wonderful internet listeners might have time to do some real research on that.  To find out about it.  We’re going to be taking a break here in about 15 seconds.  And then we’ll be back after this.  Folks, don’t go away.  We’ll be back, with Alan Watt.

(Commercial Break)

Jackie: I did this before, but it’s just one paragraph.  And I want to read this for our listeners.  Maybe somebody will check into this and get back with me.  They’re talking about this chelation therapy of course, for the arteries, because it removes the calcium plaque.  But it says, "In the days after World War II, men, who worked in battery factories, or painted ships with lead based paint, began coming down with lead poisoning from their high exposure in these jobs.  A safe, harmless chemical called EDTA, was found to be extremely effective for removing the lead from the men’s bodies.  An effective cure for lead poisoning.  But something else happened.  Many of the men who were treated with EDTA enjoyed an apparent reduction in the symptoms of heart disease."  And they explain, this is Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid.  It’s an amino acid.  It says it was synthesized in Germany in 1935, and first patented in the US in 1941.  And so, I don’t know why I haven’t taken the time to do this, and I haven’t.  I guess I was hoping one of our listeners would do it.  Anyway, that’s what it is.  Either oral, or they do it by injection too.  But I guess the injection is very, very expensive, and the oral chelation therapy, taking it orally is a lot less expensive.  And Darren asked me, remember we were talking earlier today about that Dr. Doom?  Dr. Eric Pianca is his name, and he was doing a talk.  This was in March.  Darren said he talked about this on the air yesterday, last night, and this was the fifth of March that he did this speech, when he said that 90% of the population had to be eliminated and he said that airborne Ebola would be the best way to do it.  But Darren wanted me to clean up something, because on this guy’s website there was a very extensive, what do you call it when somebody dies?

Alan: Obituary.  Is it obituary?

Jackie: Yeah, the obituary.  Well, he had evidently written it himself, but at the top of it, it says not dead yet.  So, this was a long background on this man and all that he’s done and accomplished.  He’s got a herd of bulls, of cows, and his main bull’s name is Lucifer, Alan.  Darren wanted me to clean that up, and let the listeners know.  Because he thought because he was looking at that obituary the guy was dead, he’s not.  He said that on the 5th of March, and he’s recommended airborne Ebola.

Alan: Was he speaking at some meeting or something public?

Jackie: Yeah, it was in Texas, Beaumont, Texas at Lamar University.  And it was the Texas Academy of Science.  And the guy who exposed him was a member, according to, his name is Nim, Forest Nim.  And he said that he was associated or a member of the Texas Academy of Science, in their ecology department or something.  And he said the thing that really perked him up was just before Pianca came up to the mike, somebody went over to the guy that was videotaping all the speakers, and the guy that had the video camera, I guess he pointed it up in the air and walked away in a huff, because they didn’t videotape this speech.  But the guy anyway that reported on it, no, we don’t know if this whole thing is a hoax, but there is a website on this guy.  You know for these accusations to be made and not be true, the guy that made them could probably get himself in a real jam.  Because he wrote it.  Airborne Ebola.

Alan: Yeah, well, they don’t even need this guy, because the big boys have published enough on it themselves.  You know, they’ve published this over and over and over, about vastly reducing the population of the world to a more suitable size for their new humanity.  So, it doesn’t really matter about what this guy said.  Jacques Cousteau said the same thing himself, you know.

Jackie: I guess because it’s so recent.

Alan: It would be worthwhile if someone could check out and verify this did happen at this place in Texas.

Jackie: And allegedly the guy got a standing ovation when he was done.

Alan: Well, actually the signs and symptoms of the Spanish Flu, that happened in World War I, are very similar to Ebola in some respects, because towards the end, they did hemorrhage from the eyes and so on.  So, which makes you think that probably the Spanish flu was a hybrid itself, a specially made one.  And I wouldn’t be surprised.

Jackie: Now, I’ve read different accounts of this.  But I’ve read accounts that they’ve said at least 50 million people died of the Spanish Flu.

Alan: They do say that it killed more than all the participants who died in that first World War.

Jackie: But 50 million isn’t enough for them, is it, Alan?

Alan: No, they have their ideal society all figured out by statistics and so on.  And they don’t need all the people they have today in a post-industrial and post-technological society.  They don’t need all the useless eaters, basically.  And that’s how the elite see the people.  They see the people down below as being there to serve their needs, but when they no longer need those people, they have no qualms in getting rid of them.  And this has been in the works for an awful long time.  I don’t know if you ever saw the movie, Metropolis, the old movie.  It was an old silent movie, in fact, about the creation of new types of robots or cyborgs to take over the labor.  And right in there, the scientist who creates them says that we no longer need the workers.  They’re now redundant, they’re obsolete.  And that’s basically how they see society today.  We’re obsolete.  They no longer need us.  They have China to supply all the needs for the elite for centuries to come.

Jackie: I remember reading about a very plush getaway that they’ve created in China for the elite.  I guess Kissinger, Henry Kissinger spends a lot of time there.  It’s a whole complex for them with all the comforts, you know, that the elite expect and want with their entertainment and their fine dining, and places to stay and stuff like that, in China.

Alan: These guys are internationalists, you see, even though they rule countries, or have helped rule or create the destinies of countries, they themselves have always been international.  And so, they don’t care which country they make their base for any particular generation.  So, they have no problems in moving to China, or wherever else it’s needed.  They have no affinity to the people, you see.

Jackie: Well, as you pointed out a long time ago, some of the rulers, of any of the countries, well, maybe England, I don’t know, but they weren’t the same nationality as the people they were ruling.

Alan: That’s right.  I mean, the Normans came into England in the 11th Century, and they’ve interbred amongst themselves ever since.  And with their relatives in other European countries, but they’ve never interbred with the ordinary people.  So, they’ve never seen themselves really as belonging to those people to whom they rule over.  And that’s no different from the Kissinger types who came in from Germany.  He was already an internationalist in the elite category, in his ideology, and they’re all the same at the top, really.  And the hope of all the workers beneath them, who help them, the lower members of the CFR, etc, is to one day, to get accepted to be up amongst this international elite.  Most of them have got a fat chance of getting there, mind you, but they’ll grovel and do what they’re told in the hope that they may also get up there.  But the guys towards the top, in fact, they have hardly any empathy or affinity to humankind in general.  Let’s be honest about it.  Mr. Kissinger, when he was in office with Nixon, put through that bill that declared that the greatest enemy to the state was overpopulation.  And then they put that massive funding towards ways of vastly reducing the populations by all means possible.  So that’s the kind of characters we’re dealing with here, you know.  And now these guys are in power, they belong to the top associations in the world.  They have the power to implement what they want.  They tell us what they want.  And we better take them seriously when they say these things.  They mean it.  They’re not guessing or putting out a wish list, you know.

Jackie: Ten years ago, reading about it, I didn’t disbelieve it.  But it’s beyond the realm of your comprehension to really get it.  And then when you see what is happening today, we realize we’re living it.

Alan: That’s right.  The average person, you see, we’ll make excuses for them.  We actually make excuses, because we cannot believe that they mean what they say.  Because, I wouldn’t do that, and you wouldn’t do that, so therefore they couldn’t do it, they wouldn’t do that.  That’s how we think, you see.  But we’re dealing with different creatures here.  They’re psychopathic in nature.  They’re interbred with long lineages of psychopaths.  And they have no empathy for the public.  They believe in audacity.  That’s the whole terminology of knighthood, which they all belong to these knightly Masonic associations.  A knight is bold and audacious.  He does things which are outside the norms of normal morality or rules.  They break all the rules.  And that’s also the definition of a psychopath as well.  They break all the social norms and don’t fret about it, you know.  Hello?

Jackie: I’m here. I’m listening, and I’m thinking.  I wondered.  I had received that email.  And this wasn’t an email saying you’re so full of it, or you’re going to go to hell, or like that.  But this is from a guy who’s been at the website.  I don’t know if he’s listening.  I don’t know if he’s listened to any of the broadcasts yet, but I did email him today, and encouraged him, you know, to tune in and listen.  And one of his questions, and I know that you’ve said this before, but it doesn’t hurt to repeat some of these things.  He was asking about Revelation.  And he says if Revelation has already come to pass, well, what does Jesus got in store for us.  And I wonder if you would share with our listeners once again what you mentioned about Revelation and comment on that question.

Alan: Well, Revelations is a... I mean I generally never get sidetracked by the ones who do this deliberately to sidetrack it.  And they are out there, you know.

Jackie: But I don’t think he was though.

Alan: But I think he may have been, because I think the website, our website got the same message.  But Revelations has many meanings on different levels, and it takes too long to explain them all.  It’s a mystic, gnostic interpretation.  It’s a brotherhood interpretation.  That’s why it’s written in mystical language.  But Armageddon happened about AD 70 or 72, when the Romans took the last castle on the mountain.  And of course, that was over the plains of Megiddo.  The mountain in Hebrew is called Har, so it’s Har-Megiddo, Harmegiddon.  That’s what that meant.  That’s what it was all written about at that time.  The rest of it, yeah, and so they can always resuscitate it and bring it back to life, because you can use revelations over and over for any generation, if you make the sequences happen and the right events happen.  And of course, on a higher level, it’s all the zodiacal time cycle.  And people who want to understand the Zodiac should get the third book of Cutting Through, because I go through into the Esoteric Interpretations of Revelations, which has nothing to do with what people think it has.  The Exoteric is simply taught to obedient Christians, so that they’ll think that everything is inevitable and that it’s God’s will.  This is one of the oldest tricks in the book, is to make you think, well, it’s pre-ordained, there’s nothing you can do about it.  And, in fact, if you try and stop it, you’re fighting God himself.  You know.  That’s the greatest form of psychological warfare ever devised, and that technique is ancient.  That’s why they used to use the Oracles, the priesthoods ran the Oracles at Delphi and other places.  And when the Oracle spoke, then you better do what you were told, because if not, you were going against the god’s will.  So, it’s all pre-ordained.  And they love to teach you everything is pre-ordained, you can’t change anything.  What a beautiful weapon against the public, you know, not to try to change things; accept your destiny.

Jackie: In your book one, did you talk about the international priesthood?

Alan: Yeah, I talked how ancient it was, and how it had always been here.  And I know that they didn’t just dream up this system beginning with Sumer about 5,000 or 6,000 BC.  These techniques came from much earlier times.  There’s been many, many civilizations prior to that.

Jackie: And if they have been in control, as it appears they have.  You know, after you told us about that.  The international priesthood.  Things that I’ve read.  So many things that I’ve read, of ancient history, they’ve mentioned the priesthood, but they just mention it in passing.  And these are things that I had read before, that once I re-read them, that’s what jumps out at me.  The priesthood is always mentioned, Alan.  And the priesthood was all-powerful.

Alan: Always.

Jackie: They were the ones ruling the kings, ruling the pharaohs.  And they have had that control as it certainly appears now that they have all down through the ages.  They’re the ones that were in control of the writings.  You know, the Bible.

Alan: The legal system, yeah.  We know in Sumer they had so many different specialized priesthoods.  Today we’d call them basically categories of bureaucrats, really.  Because they had lawyer priesthoods that dealt with real estate and land.  Other ones dealt with the trading that went in and out of Sumer.  They had a priesthood for everything you can imagine, specializing in different areas.  And they also were responsible for mating up kings and queens, so they were into eugenics back then, too.  So, yeah, the priesthoods were always in charge.  They also decided who the pharaohs would see, as ambassadors and who wouldn’t get in to see the pharaoh.  So they had tremendous power.  There was one pharaoh in Egypt who realized that he was almost a bird in a gilded cage.  And he caught on to the fact that certain envoys were being turned away by the priests and he never got to see them.  And he found out by yelling to some of them out of his window.  And one day he jumped out of the window trying to get away, and he was caught, and brought back by the priests.

Jackie: Who was that?

Alan: Oh, I’ve got his name somewhere tucked away in my computer brain somewhere.

Jackie: You told us about the one pharaoh, Akhenaten, that he actually got rid of the priesthood, and was teaching the one god or creator, and then after he died, they just, like he never existed.

Alan: Not really.  Akhenaten, there was much, much more to the Akhenaten story then.  But Aton is part of the sun god worship, or the symbology of what’s behind the sun or light and all that in Masonry.  And that’s why you find places like Manhattan, you know, it’s named after him, in a nice esoteric way.  It’s all through High Masonry, Aton.  And that’s where the word atone comes from.  Atonement, etc.  But it was really an elitist religion, this ‘god is one’ idea.  And also, it’s a truth behind all their religions, even in Brahma, that all the faces of god is just a face of the one deity.  That’s what it really means, and it’s the same with the Egyptian pantheon.  They’re all aspects of the same deity.  Now, that had always been taught esoterically to the priests, whereas in Akhenaten’s day they came out openly.  However it was only for the nobility who could get the life of Aton.  It wasn’t for the ordinary people.  It was still an elitist group.  So, each one is a long story, but interesting.

Jackie: I can remember us talking, you talking about this.  I think it’s on that first series, when you were on for five weeks at a time, all at one time.  And you mention Akhenaten, in a favorable way.  You said that even when he had his statues or whatever, that he didn’t have himself all puffed up, he was kind of pot-bellied.

Alan: He had big hips.  He probably had bigger hips than his wife.  But the one thing about Akhenaten was, when the invasion of Egypt was under way, he ignored all of the warnings that were coming from the outlying areas, which Egypt looked after, or was part of their empire, and he allowed the invasion to occur in Egypt.  And no one has ever explained why he allowed this.  He didn’t go out to fight them, or send the armies out to fight them.

Jackie: Who were the invaders?

Alan: You had these Hyksos people, and the Habirus, coming in, and they’d already taken some of the outlying areas.  And they were sending urgent messages to his new capital.  And those Armarna tablets have all been unearthed with these messages contained there, urgent pleas.  But he didn’t lift a finger to stop it, which makes no sense, unless you realize that he probably and some of the other elite were moving on after this.   Because it made no sense that he didn’t try to defend Egypt.  I think in other words, it was a set-up.  It was time for the elite to move on.

Jackie: This priesthood, was it the Isle of Crete you said, that there was evidence that they sat there, the probability or possibility, and wrote all the religions?

Alan: They’ve unearthed these huge monastic libraries there.  Where they had the religions of all the peoples of the mainlands, and it seemed to be a central hub where these missionaries went out and were basically updating each different variety’s religion for them, you might say.  Like a central command, in charge of all the various peoples and the various religions.  And that does make sense to me.

Jackie: Yeah.  One of the important things, if we could get it, is that religions were made by man.  All religions, including Christianity.  There’s nowhere in the book, and of course we know there’s fifty-some versions of the Bible, but even in the one, King James, that so many people believe is the word of God.  There’s no place in there where Jesus said he was coming here to start a religion.  He said he was coming to bear witness unto the truth.

Alan: Truth, yeah.

Jackie: I mean, you know, that’s what they attribute to him, as his words.

Alan: And that’s the best you could do in this world, because you won’t get much further than trying to get the truth out.

Jackie: Right, exactly.

Alan: Those that control religions will take over.

Jackie: Right, so many people seem to miss that.  As he said, I came here for one reason into this world, and that is to bear witness unto the truth.  And it’s almost like you could see back then the same thing that’s going on today.  And here’s an individual who is trying to help the people to break their prison chains from their minds, of what was going on at that time.

Alan: And then the establishment takes it over and uses the truth to imprison the people.  That’s always been the way.  It’s no different today.  You say the truth.  Many small people say the truth, and once enough are saying it, then they give you a superstar to take all those truths you are saying, get to the top, get well known, and then start spinning the truth off in a different direction and renders it harmless.

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Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  Alan had mentioned last night, when we didn’t have an intro to the broadcast, because I was filling in for Darren, that we really do, because it’s grandfather chiming.  And I suppose when the weather turns warmer, I’ll be back in the studio, and we won’t have the interruptions.  You will, I trust, bear with us through this.  It’s just too cold to sit in there for an hour, at the broadcasting equipment there, and do this broadcast.  So, I’m here in the family room, and that’s right where grandfather is.  Today is Wednesday, it is the 5th of April, in the year 2006.  And I’m glad you’ve joined us tonight.  ...And Alan Watt, thank you for being here with us again this evening.

Alan Watt: Yeah, it’s a pleasure.

Jackie: I guess I should just say, it’s Jackie and Alan.

Alan: That’s it.

Jackie: You know, when I was reading this I was thinking about, Alan, that state of being I guess that we call peace.  It is difficult to remember and to knowing what we know that’s going on today and the heartache that’s in this world, and the wars and the killing and the dying and it’s difficult to have that place in your mind or in your heart that’s at peace.

Alan: I think that’s the reason for it.  I don’t think there’s a generation that’s been allowed to live in any kind of peace or tranquility since the beginning of this whole system.  Because the control of government depends on war or having threats of war from others.  And that’s really the primary reason for being for government.  That was its first reason, supposedly.  And they’ve got to keep wars going, you know.

Jackie: It makes all the sense in the world, Alan.  You know, when you said that, because you’ve said it before, it takes a while for that to really register.  Even as, like you said, the borders, they created national borders.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: And the only reason that we have borders is that we’ll have something to fight to "defend and protect".

Alan: That’s right.  And then the biggest scam is, especially when you look at Europe, they have the same families in charge of every country having wars with each other.  The families never get killed off in the wars.

Jackie: Of course they don’t.

Alan: And yet, that’s the prime reason for pretending that they’re the rightful rulers of those countries, that we’re here to defend you.  And so, war has been essential for maintaining control over the public up until now.  When they have substitutes for war, there’s many substitutes too.  There’s economic depressions, and plagues, and all the usual stuff they can conjure up, to keep us off balance and subservient and fearful, so that we’ll always obey and do what we’re told.  So, fear is essential, again, for government, to keep and maintain control.  In fact, government is force, like Washington said.

Jackie: Government is force?

Alan: We always tend to forget that.  You see, most law is accepted by the public, when it’s relatively peaceful, or at least if they can survive with an extra tax or a fee or whatever it’s called, they’ll dish out the extra fee or license or whatever, and accept that, rather than rebel against it, because the threat of force is always there.  So, most people will acquiesce and go along with it.  But they all know that force is there to back it up, if they don’t go along, you know.

Jackie: You know, I’m going to use an example that came to my mind.  In Pennsylvania State law, and I think what got me looking into it was a friend in Missouri, who told me what the law was there.  It’s the same law in Pennsylvania, and maybe it’s the same law in every state, that commercial drivers have to have licenses.  And it says it very explicitly.  And so, if a person is stopped, and they don’t have a driver’s license, and they say, well I don’t have to have one, because, even if you quote the law and show them the law, and here it is, I am not a commercial driver, they take you to jail, if you resist taking a ticket.  It’s happened over and over and over to people.  And so, even the stupid laws they have, it just doesn’t matter, Alan.

Alan: I know.

Jackie: It doesn’t matter.  They say, no, you have to have a license to drive.

Alan:  That’s right.  And what they do, most things are done first of all, it’s voluntary.  That’s how they brought driving licensing in, in most countries, initially.  And then, even road insurance initially was voluntary as well.  And then, once enough people have got it, then they bring in the democracy part.  Well, it’s a democratic system.  The majority have accepted it, what’s wrong with you?  That’s how they use democracy.

Jackie: Remember reading about when the income tax was brought in, and I think, wasn’t it after the Second World War, and they were asking people to give a certain percentage of their income to help cover the cost of the war.  And it was totally voluntarily.  Voluntary.  And then they didn’t stop it.  They kept raising the taxes.  Pretty soon, income tax.

Alan: It’s tradition.  It becomes tradition.

Jackie: Yeah.  And of course, people have gone to jail, that have tried to go into the courts, and say, well, but this is a voluntary system and I am not volunteering.  It doesn’t matter.

Alan: It doesn’t matter, no.  Once they’ve got it on their books, they don’t let it go.  It’s a tremendous income for them.  And even though the reason for not taxing income prior to that was that a tax on income is therefore a form of slavery.  That was in the law books.  But they conveniently forgot that, once they accepted it on the books.  And Britain was the same.  It was called the temporary war tax, and that was how it was introduced.

Jackie: Temporary war tax.  And people gave.  And you know what?  I read about, oh, what the heck was, it was some act, the Douglas Act or something.  They passed it in the Congress here, and I think they allocated, I forget how many millions of dollars it was to help rebuild Europe.  And after Europe was all rebuilt, the money just kept pouring over there, Alan, out of the "taxes" that they were collecting from the people in the US of A.

Alan: It’s a giant scam.  I mean, finance has always been international.  We must never forget that.  And war is essential for the ongoing of their financing and their interest is essential for the continuation of their system.  If the interest was paid up, the banks would lose all power, so you must have ongoing interest all the time.  Debt is essential for their system.  And war, again, is partly a demolition job.  And the reconstruction job for their plans for the future.  That’s really what it’s all about, you know, and you see that in the Second World War, where they had plans.  I mean, Hopkins that was working with Roosevelt, had plans drawn up for the Reconstruction of Europe.  They even had huge plans for even city centers, and what kind of stores would be in there, knowing the big chain stores would get in first of all.  And they had Japan all set up to be the producer for electronics for the future, which it did become.  And they set up the Japanese banking system, where the government really acts on behalf as the banker, and gives out the loans to the businesses, and decides who will get business and who will not.  So that was all set and planned at least during World War II, and probably prior to it, I’d imagine.  I don’t think Hopkins did it all himself.  So, they had the whole future of Europe designed for a United Europe.  That was all part of the demolition job.  Destroy the old, and build up the new, for a new era, you know.

Jackie: And I don’t know if it was in Creatures of Jekyll Island, or where, because, you know, after you read so much and hear so much, but I recall that when they decided they were going to have a war, and they, well, that was Norman Dodd, of course, who testified, you know, to that legislative committee, in Illinois, back in I think it was ’78, that got into the Carnegie records.  Wasn’t it Carnegie, Alan?

Alan: It was the Reece Commission, I think.

Jackie: Yeah it was B. Carroll Reece.  Yeah, Congressman Reece.  And Norman Dodd was, he had a position on the committee.  But he said when he went to the Carnegie foundation, they said, well, to see their minutes in that, because the Reece Commission was to study the foundations to investigate the tax-exempt foundations.  And he said, they told him, well, we’d like to help you, but our job was done after the UN, you know, after the US entered the UN, and they’re all in some warehouse someplace, but if you want to go looking, you can do it.  And that’s what he found, that they were sitting there.  It was, I think 1906, decided that there was going to be a war, and they decided it would be in the Balkans, it would start in the Balkans someplace.  And then, when they decided to do it, they said in 1914, well, we’ll wait, until the Federal Reserve Act is passed in the US, and then the American people can pay for the war.  And so, in 1916, the Federal Reserve Act was passed, and in 1917, World War, wasn’t it?  Or that’s when they brought the US into the War?  When did World War I start?

Alan: In 1917 they brought the US in.

Jackie: Yeah, it was in ’17 that they brought the US in.

Alan: But what they did too was they brought over from Germany one of the Warburg brothers to be the head of the Federal Reserve in the US.  And his brother was the Federal Reserve guy for the Germans.

Jackie: Oh, boy, Alan.

Alan: And then at the Treaty of Versailles, the two guys that presided for both countries for the debt were the two brothers.  What a joke, you know.  What a joke.

Jackie: Yeah.  When you were talking about Japan being set up, you know to be the electronics producer.  Sony.

Alan: Standard Oil of New York.

Jackie: Standard Oil of New York.  Thank you.  I couldn’t remember what the S was for.  Standard Oil of New York was the Japanese Sony.  God, Alan.

Alan: Everything is planned way in advance in the real world.  Not at level one reality that we’re kept in here.  In level one reality we see the effects of things, and the media gives us the effects of things, but they never tell us of all the planning that went into it.  It was the Council on Foreign Relations that introduced the income tax bill in the United States for Americans.  That’s who you have to thank for that.  And in Britain, it was the Royal Institute of International Affairs that introduced it at the same time in Britain.  The same club.  It’s the same group.  And this was the same bunch who came out on television here, last March, a year ago, and announced the necessity, officially, in their first time in an official capacity, speaking from the board of the Council on Foreign Relations.  They appeared on our television, not as individual advisors or whatever, but an actual panel, saying we had to unite the Americas.  And one week later, Mr. Bush and Paul Martin and Fox signed the agreement for the United Americas.  So, they’re telling us that they were behind it.  This unelected government.  And they’re a non-governmental body.  That’s what they say in all their books.  They’re a private organization.

Jackie: Well, you know what the United Nations is called.  It isn’t, it’s not a non-governmental organization, it’s an intergovernmental organization.

Alan: They’re actually a non-governmental organization.

Jackie: They are.  I know they are.  But they call themselves.

Alan: Because they’re unelected.  They’re a private organization that was started up by the Rothschilds and Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milner, back in the 1800s, and they’ve decided our policy from then until today, and they have their international meetings.  Politicians can become members of it, if asked to be.  There’s a private club.  And they say that in all their books, they’re a non-political, non-governmental organization.

Jackie: The UN says that?

Alan: No, the actual Council on Foreign Relations.

Jackie: Oh, CFR.  Okay.  I was referring to the United Nations.

Alan: Well, they’re the same thing.

Jackie: I know it is.  It’s non-governmental.

Alan: The UN is always talking about democracy, and how every country must be democratic, and yet, I don’t know anyone who’s had a vote in saying who gets into the UN.  We don’t get any votes on it.  The public have no votes whatsoever.

Jackie: Oh, yes, we do.  Alan, yes we do.

Alan: In what sense?

Jackie: Well, we’re, I’m being facetious.  The voice of the people are the NGOs.

Alan: Well, yeah, but really, the public really have no say in it.

Jackie: Yeah.  I know they don’t.  But they say that is the Parliament of the People.

Alan: Yeah, supposedly.

Jackie: The Parliament of the People, because almost everybody, for example, Boy and Girl Scouts are NGOs, and they have, I mean, it’s international.  It isn’t just in the US of A, and they’re part of it all.  So, every child that’s in Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts.  Anybody, any business that joins, what the heck is it called, oh, you know what it is.  I was in it.

Alan: The Rotary Club?

Jackie: No, it’s not Rotary.  It’s, oh, damn.  Businesses join it, to be, you know, part of the club.  I was part of it.  I’m just having a brain fade.  They have it in every tiny little town and city, and then they have state, then they have national, then they have international.  And you get to looking at it, the hundreds of thousands of people who are members.  It’s not coming up, Alan.  But anyway, it will, but that is considered to them the voice of the people.

Alan: And also, the Police Chiefs Associations across the world, they have their own organization attached to the United Nations.  The building codes of America, Britain, everywhere come from the United Nations, from plumbing to electrical to building.

Jackie: They have International Mayors Associations.  And I was thinking about the Chambers of Commerce.  That’s the biggie.  And you know what?  For our listeners, in our section at Sweet Liberty on the United Nations, we have a thing there on NGOs.  Alan, it just makes you squirm when you read it.

Alan: Well, you see, that’s the Soviet.  What it is, it’s the Soviet system.  That’s what Soviet means, government by councils.  And in the Soviet system, it’s the same as this one; the heads of the NGOs are paid for by the big boys like Rockefeller, and financed by them, to pretend that they speak on behalf of the people.  And it’s the same with the Soviet system.  The Politburo picked the leaders and gave them the politically correct format.  And of course, they would demand on behalf of the public what the politicians wanted.  So, that’s exactly the same thing.  Because the bankers set up the Soviet Union and financed them through their whole existence.  The West financed it, funded them.  HG Wells and all the biggies went over there.  Royalty went over to the Soviet Union and got grand tours of their system.  And of course, it was a big experiment on socialism, which is a form of elite control over the masses.  That’s what socialism really is.

Jackie: I’ve got a thing here from the United Nations.  It’s one of their publications.  And on the front cover of it, it says that the United Nations, their whole goal is to become a True World Parliament.  And the three things they needed: they needed their own standing army.  Well, they need the legislative.  They need, just like the parliaments or the governments have, the legal, you know, the International Criminal Court, the International Courts, but they need their own standing army.  And they need their own taxation system.  And they have to have a Parliament of the People.  And that Parliament of the People is what we’re talking about, the NGOs.

Alan: Yeah, POP.

Jackie: Pop.

Alan: That’s right, big daddy.

Jackie: I wonder if he’s related to Uncle Sam?

Alan: Very possibly, because if you read Franklin’s writings, Benjamin Franklin said, and so did Jefferson, about the US, he said, this is the beginning of a Federation of States, which will eventually become a World Federation of States.  That was the function of the United States in the first place.

Jackie: And you said that many years ago, Alan.

Alan: But they made it quite clear in their writings, that was to be the beginning of a world federation.  And Franklin said it would be a world run by a Council of Twelve Wise Men.

Jackie: Do you know we’ve been doing radio together for eight years?  That’s a long time, Alan.

Alan: I know, yeah.

Jackie: That’s a long.  What I mean is, God, I just think it’s so wonderful that we’ve had an opportunity to present this information to so many people, and here we are, still doing it.

Alan: I know.  And until recently, we haven’t had a single offer, or made a guest appearance on any of the other shortwave broadcasts that were on the go.

Jackie: Well, you’re not getting them, well, maybe you are, on shortwave broadcasts, but you’re getting them on mainstream.

Alan: Isn’t that amazing.

Jackie: I think it’s just fantastic.

Alan: Yeah, that’s the other thing, is unfortunately, I always tell people, we’re under so much surveillance, and information is power, of course, therefore, information has always been under lock and key.  And why would the all-seeing eye miss the shortwave radio, that claims to be so patriotic?  You know.  People should be really cautious about what they get from it, really, you know.  It doesn’t mean that everyone on it is deceiving them, but I’m sure many of them are as well knowingly.

Jackie: I know.  Early on, I had been invited on different, you know, broadcasts to be a guest.  It’s been years since I have ever been invited to be a guest on any shortwave or alternative radio.  Literally, it has.  And I can remember when they used to do those symposiums, those expos, you know, survival expos and stuff, all over the country, and they were all there, except me.  I’ve never been invited.  One time, I even asked, because they said they were going to set up a round table.  This is the gang, you know, a whole bunch of the broadcasters, and they were going to have a round table, of the broadcasters, and see if they couldn’t come up with some type of grassroots plan.  I said, God, I would love to be part of that.  I have some thoughts.  I mean, we were grassroots, and we did some work, Alan.  Truly did some work.  ’93, ’94, ’95, right in their faces.  And I said, do you think I could be on that.  I think I was talking to Jeff, and he said, well, I don’t see why not, I’ll get back with you.  I never heard back from them.  They didn’t want me.  I felt so outside.  I’m being facetious.  I am.

Alan: The problem is too, I think shortwave, I mean, I know, it’s been printed here in some of the newspapers a few years ago that the Christian broadcasting was set up in the 1950s to combat Communist propaganda.  And they used Christian fronts to do it, and the CIA set them up.  And I thought, well, the CIA has maybe never let them go, because I hear so much.  I mean, the Patriot business is a business.  It’s a huge business.  And it’s all fear-based selling, stuff for every calamity under the sun and even outside of the universe, even.

Jackie: A few years ago, it was before Chuck passed away, so it’s been at least three and a half, four years.  They were having an Expo in Texas.  And I started getting calls from listeners, and they said, you might be at the Expo in Texas.  I said, what?  And sure enough, I heard from enough people, that I realized that that’s what he was saying.  And you know, what they were, our listeners were saying, is, Jackie, they’re using that to get people to come there.  You know, people who want to meet you.  So I called up on John’s program one day, and they were talking about the Expo and everything, and I called up, and I said, I understand that you have told your listeners that I may be coming to the Expo in Texas.  He said, well, I didn’t say you were, I just said you might be.  I said, well, where in the world did you ever get that idea?  I said, I’ve never been invited to one of the Expos.  And then John said to Clay, well, did you invite her, Clay?  And Clay said, I actually hadn’t thought about inviting her.  And I said, well, I just want to make it real clear to your listeners, I’m not going to be in Texas for the Expo.  So, there’s a few who just are set apart, and I suppose we’re set apart, Alan, because we don’t pull punches.

Alan: No.  You see, you can’t get truth if you shy away from certain holy areas, you might say.  To get truth, you have to be willing to go across all, or through all barriers to seek it.  And of course, they know themselves that it’s a business.  It’s a patriot business.  It’s a huge market, fear-based selling is huge.  And yet, they can only do it on fear-based shows, where the sky is always falling every day, you know.  And that’s the sad truth about people who manipulate reality in order to profit by themselves by very large amounts, I might add, you know.  See, this is one of the conditions of humanity that has to be shown to the public.  If this type of behavior doesn’t change, nothing will change.  The psychopathic drive within people to exploit others has to stop, because if we don’t stop it at the bottom, then what right do we demand that the ones at the top stop their exploitation of us.  We have nothing to stand on.  And that’s at the basis of all of this.  The psychopath in society in this civilization as they call it, their civilization, gets to the top because they have no conscience.

Jackie: Because they have no conscience.  We’re going to take a break here.

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Jackie: Okay.  We’re back with Alan Watt.  ...Alan’s website, I want to give that to you to make sure that in case you don’t have it.  Alan’s website is cuttingthroughthematrix.com.  There’s a video there.  And I know that you’ll want to see it.  There’s a lot of information there.  And the books, the three books that Alan has written, there are excerpts of the books, Cutting Through the BS, the way it seems to me.  That’s not the name of them.  But it’s Cutting Through 1, 2, and 3.  And when you go to his website, you can check out and literally read some of the excerpts from the books.  And you definitely want to do that.  And I want to remind you also, that Alan is going to be a guest, on George Noory.  Alan, today is Wednesday the 5th, and you’re going to be on the 10th.  Well, actually in the morning of the 11th, but that would be Monday?  Okay, Monday folks.  And I mean, this has got to be, Alan this is about the most exciting information that I’ve heard in such a long time.  George Noory, of course, this is the old Art Bell show, folks.  They’re syndicated on about 400 or more radio stations.  And Alan is going to be able to get out probably to millions of people.  It’s a wonderful opportunity.  And it’s on Monday the 10th, although by the time we’re listening, Eastern time, it’s going to be 2am, on the 11th.  So, whatever your time zone is, in Pacific time, it would be 11 o’clock.  In Mountain, it would be 12, Central it would be 1, Eastern it’s 2am, on the morning of Tuesday.  I’m staying up.  I’m not going to take a chance on missing it.  Alan, are you kind of excited about this?

Alan: I was thinking about staying up myself.

Jackie: You mean you’re not going to go to sleep and set an alarm clock?

Alan: No, I don’t think so.

Jackie: I don’t know, this is like a miracle to me.

Alan: Well, as I say, it’s a long time a-coming.  We just plodded on sort of year after year, teaching individuals, really, and now it’s come to a stage where maybe we can reach a lot more, at a very critical time in our history.

Jackie: It is.  Yes.  And you know, I’m always saying, with God, Creator, all things are possible.  And I do know that that is so.  Nothing is impossible.  And you and I have talked about this.  You’ve said it yourself.  They’ve never been successful in fully completing their plan.  If they were...

Alan: They have built-in flaws that go with their personalities.  They have built-in flaws that go with their personality type.  And you can only get so much satisfaction lording over other people.  And then you have to start to get something, a better opponent, you might say.  And as they get closer to their ambitions, these people will have to start fighting each other.  It’s an Achilles Heel.  They can’t stop themselves.  Because they all seek ultimate power.  And now they’re seeing this World Government come into view openly.  They want to declare it openly to the public.  But there’s only one throne at the top, you see.  And these guys would love to have their name chiseled in stone for eternity.  They’re always making statues of themselves.  And that’s when the struggles will begin.

Jackie: And you said you think they’re already beginning.

Alan: Oh, I’m sure of it, actually.  That’s why I always say that human beings cannot handle godhood.  Human beings can’t handle it.  They’re too petty.  And it’s never changed from the days...

Jackie: Well, now, it depends.  If we’re talking Jehovah.

Alan: Oh, all of them.  I mean, look at the Greek mythologies, where the gods are always bickering and they’re jealous, and they play games behind each other’s backs and stuff, and that’s human nature, you see.

Jackie: And look at all the stuff Jehovah did to prove that he was god almighty.

Alan: Oh, yeah.  And only a tyrant really uses force to prove the point.  That’s a very human thing.  It’s not a godly thing.  And people who want to be gods.  And these guys at the top truly believe they are, you know.

Jackie: They’re raised to believe that way, aren’t they, Alan?

Alan: They’re raised, and they also have an inner religion.  We see it going all the way back to ancient Rome.  That’s why Washington has a monument there.  That’s apotheosis.  High Freemasonry, where you’re raised into the status of a god.

Jackie: What’s apotheosis?

Alan: That’s raising to godhood.  And you’ll see the same things with the tyrants of Rome.  They had their own ones chiseled and so on.  And that’s what apotheosis means.  And because Washington started the kickoff for this final round of the New World Order, the Novus Ordo Seclorum, he’s given the honor of being raised to godhood.  It was the first openly Freemasonic national creation.

Jackie: We’re talking about the Washington Monument?

Alan: Yeah, and the creation of the US. That was its function.

Jackie: Well, you know, I don’t know if this is true, but I had read that when they were trying to get the Constitutional Convention together, there weren’t, states just weren’t coming into it.  And George Washington, you know, had retired.  And then, when they started proclaiming that George Washington was going to be there, that’s when the states at that time got their delegates together to go to the Constitutional Convention.  And so, that certainly would make, you know, give them a reason to raising to godhood, wouldn’t it?

Alan: It was an open, well, I say open; it was a closed-door meeting when they supposedly—they didn’t draft it up in that hall.

Jackie: No, they didn’t.

Alan: Because, I mean, we know that Franklin, during the Revolution, was the ambassador to France.  And he was showing copies all over France, long before that.  So, it was already pre-drafted.  And they just had their little Masonic meeting in that hall, and closed the doors, and guarded them from the public.

Jackie: And nailed the windows shut.

Alan: Well, it’s the temple with closed windows, with darkened windows, that’s the Masonic temple.

Jackie: Say again.

Alan: That’s the temple with no windows.  They have to always cover the windows in a lodge meeting.  That’s a Masonic lodge meeting.  And that’s why you had 55 of them in there and only 33 had to sign it, for the 33 degrees.

Jackie: Oh, my.  I didn’t know that, Alan.

Alan: So, it was an open Masonic creation.

Jackie: And George Washington signed the charter for the first bank.  Gave them a twenty-year charter.  So, certainly.  He deserved to be raised to godhood, didn’t he?

Alan: He certainly played his part well.  And he profited well, because he gathered so much land during the Revolution, that he had, I think, ten times more afterwards.  So, his accountants were very busy.  But that’s the reality of the world we live in.  It’s run by very high secret societies, in collusion with very rich men in the world.  And they plan the future.  They always plan a future, which they will always be in charge of.  As I say, Franklin wrote in his own memoirs, that nobody reads anymore, and so did Jefferson, that that was the beginning of a Federation of the World, you know.  And they’d eventually have a World Council run by Twelve Wise Men.  That’s in their own documentation.  And who leads the charge for the...  Who brought out the League of Nations?

Jackie: How could somebody read something like that when they don’t even know it exists, Alan?  See, that’s the point.  I’m putting myself back in the place where I was.  I believed, you know, as a little, as a child, when we were taught in history that he cut down a cherry tree, and told his father, father I cannot tell a lie.  I believed it, Alan.  And I believed he was a wonderful, our first president.  Abraham Lincoln was my hero when I was in the fourth grade.  Because he stopped slavery.  And I memorized the Gettysburg Address.  Not because it was like a required thing, but it meant that much to me.  So, it isn’t that people won’t read that stuff.  They don’t even know it exists.

Alan: Well, Hollywood has taken over the teaching of dramatic revised history.  And of course, the visual with the emotion in it and so on, has far more of an impact than reading a book by the actual author himself.  You know, a Franklin or an Adams or any of them.

Jackie: I know, but something, something has to be a catalyst.  A seed has to be planted, Alan, for anybody, even a child, to say, wait a minute, that isn’t true.  Because, I mean, you’ve known this stuff, evidently, since you were born.  So, I can relate to what it was like to be truly caught in that system.  I mean, I believed that December 25th was the birthday of Jesus.  It was the most precious time of the whole year for me, every year, ever.  And it wasn’t just gift giving.  You see what I’m saying, Alan.  So, we lived in those lies.  And until somebody says something to you.  Alan, you blew us out of the, you blew us away, so far away.  Well, you know, you and I talked on the telephone.  You and I talked on the telephone for six months before I invited you to come on.  And I remember the first day you called me.  And it was in ’98, it was the summer of ’98.  And I answered the phone.  It was after I got off the air, you know, after 6pm.  And you said, hello, and just started talking, and I found myself listening to you.  I had the phone, pressed up against my head.  And it was like I was listening to you with every cell of my body.  And you know, when I said, well wait a minute.  Why are we having this conversation?  Why did you call me?  And then after, you know, we kept talking.  You kept calling.  We kept talking.  And I was like, well, who is this guy.  You knew so much that it was unreal to me.  And finally, it was in December of 1998, and I don’t know what the heck we were talking about, but I thought, oh, my God, my listeners have got to hear him.  And you came on.  And then, of course, as you remember, they kept saying, keep, bring him back.  Bring him back.  Bring him back.  But, Alan, you have to keep remembering in your mind that those of us who are caught in that, it isn’t because we don’t care.  It is because we don’t know.

And then, when you say something to somebody, like a friend that was visiting.  When I started talking about, you know the hurricanes and weather control.  And he said, oh no, uh-uh, uh-uh.  That’s too vague.  That can’t happen.  Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh.  And I tried to explain.  And he said, you’re not going to convince me.  I said, I don’t want to convince you, but I would like to give you some information and hope that what you see will want you to look at it further, and then you will make up your own mind.  But he wasn’t even interested in seeing it, Alan.  So those are the ones, we say, okay, goodbye.  You know.  But it’s planting seeds.  And you know, that’s what you’ve been doing so beautifully, for all these eight years to Sweet Liberty listeners, and people that call you.  And, but it’s so far out of your realm, because you’ve always been "conscious" that it’s hard for you to relate to those of us who have been caught into it.  And it’s a tough damn pill to swallow, Alan.

Alan: It is tough.  But you see, I know too, growing up in Britain, for instance.  I kept wondering why they put on these silly dramatizations of upper crust families in the 18th or 17th centuries.  It was always the upper crust families, you know.  And I thought, they’re painting this as a paradise of the past.

Jackie: The ones with the maids and butlers.

Alan: And the spotless clothes and carriages and horses.  And yet, any library would tell you that that was for a very small tiny few.  And the rest of them lived in awful misery during the Industrial Era, where you were lucky to hit thirty years of age.  Very lucky, actually, if you hit that.  And you would be crippled by the time you did reach that age.

Jackie: And that’s not an exaggeration.

Alan: Not at all.  Even Franklin mentions it in his own memoirs.  He says, he saw the factories in England when he was over in England, and he saw the factory workers coming out with no shoes, and they’d come from a shoe factory.  They couldn’t afford to buy the shoes they made.  And that was standard.  He said, America could only keep independence on an individual basis, as long as it remained on an agricultural level.

Jackie: Yes.  And they did away with that, didn’t they?

Alan: That’s right.  So, they all knew that.  Jefferson knew it too.  He said the same thing. And at the same time as they knew that, guys like Jefferson were already investing in armament companies abroad on an industrial basis.  In fact, Jefferson helped to design the first, they call it, stamp plate parts for the flintlock, whereas before they were all handmade and filed to fit.  It was actually machine parts he was designing for factories in Europe, to make muskets.  Whereas before each musket was handmade, every part.

Jackie: They were making the die for them.

Alan: He was making the sort of conveyor type system, to industrialize it.  So, they were all involved in foreign investments.

Jackie: They were.

Alan: In industry, yeah.

Jackie: Yes, they were.

Alan: And they were telling their own people at home, you can remain free as long as you remain on an agricultural level.

Jackie: You know what I’m going to do?  Remember those first five weeks you were on?  I promised, John, from Australia, wanted to buy the tapes.  And you know, there’s so many people that should hear them, because we did 20 hours together, Alan.

Alan: Yeah.  Well, I’ve just put up twelve of them on CD, just today.

Jackie: Twelve of what?

Alan: Of those tapes.

Jackie: How did you do that?

Alan: They’re burned on MP3 CDs.

Jackie: I’m talking the first twenty that we did.

Alan: Well, this is the first of the twelve of the series.

Jackie: You have the tapes?

Alan: Yeah. It’s been transferred to CD.  I’ve got them for sale, because I’ve got to get...  I’m not selling the books.  Hardly anything is moving.

Jackie: You what?

Alan: I’m saying, I’m not selling the books because hardly anything is moving.  So, I put this one up for sale, you see.

Jackie: Oh, you’re putting it up for sale.

Alan: Yeah, it’s up for sale, now.

Jackie: Oh, cool.  The first twelve hours.

Alan: The first twelve on one CD, yeah.

Jackie: Oh, wow.  Well, how does somebody...

Alan: And that will be followed with the next bunch.

Jackie: Do you have copies of all of them, Alan?

Alan: Yeah, I should do.

Jackie: You mean, you taped every one of our broadcasts.

Alan: Yeah.

Jackie: Well, then, do it.

Alan: Yeah, I’m doing it, because I’ve got to get some cash to pay for the site and so on.

Jackie: So, how do people get them?

Alan: They can see it on the website.  It’s got the price there for twelve in the first set.  The format it comes in, which is MP3 CD, which plays on pretty well all computers.

Jackie: Okay, good.  Yeah, but, Alan, will they play on somebody’s CD player?

Alan: A lot of CD players will play it.  And also, your DVD player for your television generally plays MP3 as well.

Jackie: The DVD?

Alan: Yeah.

Jackie: You never told me this.

Alan: Oh, it was a spontaneous thing.  Because I was talking, how can we pay for this and so on.  And I thought, well, why not sell these lectures?

Jackie: Oh, my God.  Those are our first twelve hours.

Alan: That’s the first twelve, yeah.

Jackie: Do you need it?  I’ve got all the tapes if you need any more of them.

Alan: Yeah.  Well, I might; I’ll have to go through the box.

Jackie: Well, go through the box.

Alan: I’ve got about three or four boxes.

Jackie: It would be wonderful because, you know, that was our first.  You know, Mike Campbell called me.  I was going to make a trip to Saint Louis.  And I guess it was a couple years later, or three or four or whatever.  And he said, have you ever listened back to those first five weeks.  I said, no.  He said, well, you need to listen back again.  Because now, when we know what we know, you get so much more out of it.  And so, when I took my trip to Saint Louis, I took all ten of those tapes, you know, two hours on each. And I listened to them all the way to Saint Louis.  And Alan, it was amazing.  And I should probably listen to them again.  But you tell me if you need any more of those tapes, and I’ll send copies to you.

Alan: I’ll have to go through the other box, and count up the rest.

Jackie: Well, that would be wonderful, if that’s a way that you can, you know, finance the website.

Alan:  Yeah, and it’s also the cheapest way to buy them, because, I mean, even twelve one-hour cassettes, or it’s actually 120-minute cassettes, costs a fair bit of money just to buy them, you know.

Jackie: It does.

Alan: So, it’s cheaper to buy the CD.

Jackie: Well, that’s the point.  ...I’d much rather that you make them available on CDs, Alan.

Alan: Well, I have to, because I mean, there’s no income coming in.

Jackie: Yeah, right.  I understand that.  When did you do this?

Alan: Oh, about a week it took basically, and it was just today it was ready to go.

Jackie: Well, cool.

Alan: Just put it up on the site today.

Jackie: Alright.  So, folks, go to cuttingthroughthematrix.com. And what are they going to look for, Alan?

Alan: It says it on it, the original first twelve hours of talks on...

Jackie: Sweet Liberty.  Oh, my God.  I can remember getting testy with you so many times.  Especially when we were talking about the Constitution, remember that?

Alan: And gold and silver.

Jackie: And gold and silver.  “Well, it’s better than nothing, Alan.”

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: Does it make you laugh when you listen to them?  Have you listened to them?

Alan: Little bits of them.  Little bits.

Jackie: I remember them well.  Because you ticked me off quite a bit sometimes.

Alan: It’s a course in deprogramming.

Jackie: I know.  Well, that’s wonderful news.  That’s more wonderful news.  So, we’re almost out of time.  We’ve got probably about two more minutes.  So, what would you like to say before we end this evening and this week of broadcasting?

Alan: Well, maybe in another couple of weeks, I’ll have all the rest done on CD.  And, as I say, there’s so many ways to play it from your computer to your DVD player.  And other people too can buy it, because the twelve is only going to cost them [see cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information].  And that’s a steal.  Because it’s a long time for transposing each one, one hour for each time, you’ve got to continue the whole hour and keep changing, and then change from CD to MP3, to get it all on one disc.  So, that’s a whole bunch of transitions, but at least it’s done.  The first set is done.

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Jackie Patru: Alan Watt is with us.  And Alan, many of you, maybe all of you tuned in Monday night.  Or I understand also that it was played again last night, early, earlier.  Alan was on the George Noory Coast to Coast program for three hours on Monday night.  And I stayed up, well it was 2 to 5, and even when it was over I was totally wide awake. To me, it was the most beautiful, wonderful, like I said, last Wednesday night, it seems like a miracle for him to have had the opportunity to reach so many people with the information that only Alan Watt can share in Alan Watt’s way.  And so, therefore, it was pretty cool, Alan.

Alan Watt: Yeah, it was, as they say, we all get our five minutes of fame, you know.

Jackie: Well, actually, to me it was magnificent.  You know, there was nothing, really, I don’t know if there was anything that you said that we haven’t, you know, that our listeners haven’t heard and that we haven’t discussed.  But, I was sitting there listening and I was trying to listen from the viewpoint, if you would, of a person who this stuff wasn’t so familiar.  And it was the way that it flowed, it was the way that you presented it.  It’s another classic, as I can see.

Alan: Well, the response has been awfully good.  And I think there’s still 19,000 on the website today, just looking into it, yeah.

Jackie: Oh, my.  That is just.  That’s fabulous.  Well, I’ve heard from some people also, you know, you had mentioned Sweet Liberty.  And, of course, there’s a link at your website, and I had a few emails from some of the listeners.  And a friend called, because she was listening to George Noory, and heard you mention my name.  And we haven’t talked for about five years.  And it was pretty cool.  But, George Noory, well, of course we know that Coast to Coast is syndicated on, I guess almost 500 AM stations.  And we know that the media is controlled.  And we know that everybody that is on Coast to Coast is not a credible person.  But, I heard him, and I thought he asked you some really excellent questions.  And these were questions that he asked in response to something you said, not like, oh, there’s a question laid out, you know to ask.  And I think that at least what I heard, it was getting through to him, because I heard him sigh, a couple of really long, deep sighs, Alan.  Did you hear that?

Alan: Yeah.  I think what’s happening now, I think I said it on the show too, that everyone has this feeling of expectation that something is coming down.  And everyone in the business of media or entertainment, it’s all mixed together now.  It’s so interwoven, media and entertainment.  Even your local six o’clock news is half Hollywood and movies and so on.  So, entertainment, fiction and non-fiction have become so tightly interwoven that it’s difficult for the average person, and even those involved in the media to actually tell the difference at times.  They’re living in half fantasy, and so they ignore the nasty realities that they see in the corner of their vision coming their way.  And I think some of them are starting to see that they can’t keep going on in this direction and deny, deny, deny, and just simply go off into the fantasy side of things.  Because what’s happening now is so real, so vitally important for everyone and everyone to come that people have to be aware of what’s going on to change direction.  Because there’s only one direction we’re heading in, and it’s a nasty ending for most people.

Jackie: Alan, I had a couple or three emails that was saying, you know, if this is all true, what are we supposed to do?  Is there anything we can do about it?  And I did send back some of my own comments, but would you please respond to that, because we may even have new listeners tonight, from you know, the George Noory broadcast.  Would you respond to that question that maybe lots and lots of people have?

Alan: They have to do, and it’s very difficult at this stage of the game, but people have to do a crash course in reality check here, because if they don’t, and I don’t mean going off and chasing space aliens or reptilian people, and all this stuff that’s put out to distract you into the fantasy again, until nothing is real.  I mean a crash course on what’s been happening in the world, for at least the last hundred years.  That’s all they have to really go on.  They can go much further back if they want to.  And see all of the treaties that have been carefully step-by-step signed into by every country on the planet, except those who are under attack now in the Middle East – that’s the reason they’re being attacked – to bring the world into this unification process.  Who was behind it, initially, the NGOs that are funded to push it, and a lot of these NGO groups are ex-politicians and bureaucrats that are actually employed by big foundations, like the Rockefeller foundation.  These are the guys who are really pushing this agenda forward.  And last year, for instance, when they signed the unification of the Americas deal, a year ago in March, at Waco, Texas, that’s a good example of how this was done, because, that week, twice that week before the signing, the CFR came out as an official organization for the first time, to declare a broadcast to the nation.  Now, before we’ve had the occasional one member of the CFR as an advisor to people.  But here they are as a panel with the CFR board behind them, saying that we have to unite the Americas to compete with Europe and China.  And they were drafting a bill for the politicians to sign.  So, they were basically admitting they were behind the setting up of the unification of the Americas, which is true, because if you go into the history of the CFR, which is just the American branch of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, it was set up by the Cecil Rhodes and Lord Rothschild foundations in the late 1800s, to bring world unification with three world trading blocs.  So, here we are being guided by non-governmental organizations that are funded by multi-millionaires.  And we don’t vote these guys in.  And we have no say in what they do.  And it’s time we did.

Jackie:  Well the pathetic thing is that these non-governmental organizations, every single one of them, and there are thousands, are considered by these want-to-be gods, that this is the voice of the people.  That’s their people’s parliament, Alan.

Alan: It’s the Soviet.  Soviet meant government by councils.  And this is the New World Soviet that Mikhail Gorbachev talked about in his last speech when he was still the prime minister or president of the Soviet Union.  He made the speech, which is available.  And he says Communism isn’t dying, it’s going on to the next stage.

Jackie: There you go.

Alan: And sure enough it was.  It ties right in with Norman Dodd’s report and the Reece Commission to do with the big foundations who said that their purpose was to merge comfortably America and the West with the Soviet Union.

Jackie: And I do not recall the name of the book, and you might, that was written by Congressman Reece, or he did maybe the forward.  I think he wrote the book, but maybe, it doesn’t matter.  It was a book that was written based on all the findings of the Reece Committee, back in, what, fifty-whatever.  And we have that book listed.

Alan: It’s called Foundations: Their Power and Influence.

 

Jackie: Foundations: Their Power and Influence.  Thank you.  That book, folks, if you’re interested, oh my God, Alan, I knew about this.  You know, Congressman Reece’s, but the book wasn’t available at the time.  And then it was reprinted.  Chuck had a copy of it.  And he was on his way to the airport, that’s when he was visiting me in Illinois, and he pulled it out of his briefcase.  He said he was going to read it on the plane.  I was so excited to have that.  I said, oh, please, you can’t.  The information in that book just tells it all without any fancy words.  ...It’s a research book, isn’t it Alan?

Alan: And it’s all documented.  I mean, what we’re talking about here is not some harebrained conspiracy theory.  This is all factual publications put out by the big boys themselves.  And you can find, go into the diaries of Cecil Rhodes, when he set up his foundation as a front man for the Rothschilds and for the British elite to bring about World Government.  And the fastest way they found to unite the whole of Europe, and all the little, the many little countries that eventually became the Soviet Union, was to create Communism and force one system of centralized government over them all, which standardized their culture, their bureaucracies, their laws, everything.  And that’s why they created the Soviet system.  And now we’re in a blend, we’re in the Third Way, which is the blending of Fascism and Communism, into the Third Way they call it.  So, that’s where we are now.

Jackie: Yes.  I have a question for you, and you brought it up tonight, and you mentioned this Monday night.  Well, first the conversation I believe was talking about the depopulation plans, that 90%, 80 to 90% of the population is supposed to be done away with, because they don’t need any more than that.  And then you mentioned, because I think maybe somebody had asked what do you see in the future.  And I was glad to hear you say, I know what they intend, because they haven’t been successful yet, it doesn’t mean they’re going to, but we certainly know they’re on the track.  You mentioned, you know, in the future, these trade blocs, the three, like the Trilateral Commission.  But then, my question is, if there are so few people, and the only people left are really people that are left to serve the want-to-be gods, what are they going to do with these trade blocs?

Alan: Everything is a step by step.  It’s not the end.  It’s a step towards another part of an agenda.

Jackie: Okay, what’s the next part?

Alan: Well, the next part, they won’t need people in the traditional sense.  They’re going to create, they have the capabilities now...

Jackie: I know, but Alan, when we talk trade blocs, we’re talking commercialism here.

Alan: That’s for a short time.

Jackie: Okay.  But I understood you, at least it seems the inference was that that would be after the majority of the population had already been done away with.

Alan: These blocs will be up and running about 2010, as three separate, well, individual trading blocs under world government.  That’s their agenda.  But it’s only partway towards the next part, of course.

Jackie: That’s right out of George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four, isn’t it?

Alan: This is the real Never-Ending Story.  And that’s what they mean when they say that man is the clay.  He’s infinitely malleable.  He’s the source material, he’s the raw material, and they can keep shaping us and shaping us to the next step, to the next step.

Jackie: Malleable and moldable.  That’s what the words were used in Brzezinski’s book.

Alan: And the thing is too, after they signed the Waco deal last March, and showed it on the television up here about the unification and Fortress America, etc.  The integration of all security forces has been done.  And eventually too, the sharing of tariffs, meaning taxation.  After that, another reporter came on from the CFR to give the CFR’s spin, which is supposed to be our eventual opinion.  And he says, well, we’ve got to unite, he says, to compete with the European Union.  Do you see how they do it?  First they create one bloc, you see, and then they point to them and say, oh gee, we can’t compete with them, we’ve got to do the same thing to compete with them.  And once we eventually amalgamate, then they’ll say, well, gee, we’ve got to compete with China.  And then you have a race to the bottom for wages.  This is how it’s all structured.  This is deliberate planning.

Jackie: I know.  I want to go back to the question.  Besides a person, you know, doing, getting on the fast track, getting up to speed.  I think that the questions that were asked were like, what can I do as an individual?  Is there any way we can stop this, etc, etc?  In other words, besides knowing about it, Alan.

Alan: See, they’re following the old Revelations plan, which is a plan which has been used many times over.  Once again, Revelations is infinitely malleable.  And so, they aren’t going to be happy until every individual gives allegiance to this system.  And we don’t realize we’re doing it all the time, when we’re forced to go along with another ridiculous rule or law or fee, or whatever it is.  And we know that the registration of everybody is coming along here.  They want all the heads to be numbered.

Jackie: I’d say we are already.  Wouldn’t you?

Alan: We are, but they also want us to officially have our little biometric card, our little ID card.  And that’s a stepping stone towards a chip implanted.  And that’s been documented at the Loyola University, World Science Meeting, sponsored by the US Department of Commerce.  So, it’s a step-by-step process.  So, we are acquiescing to every step.

Jackie: Well, Alan.  It does come down to...

Alan: The individual.

Jackie: But try to get in your car and drive without a license plate.

Alan: Well, the thing is, you have two options.  You either go the whole way here to oblivion or start saying No now, as an individual.

Jackie: No, but wait a minute.  You drive a vehicle, you have no license plate on it?

Alan: I’m not talking about licensing.  I’m talking about literally taking an ID card that I can’t buy or sell with without, etc.  In other words, they can starve me to death if I won’t comply?  What kind of choice is that?  When people give you no choice but theirs, you’re really in trouble.  And we better understand that, quick.

Jackie: Well, I’m going to repeat something you said a long time ago.  In fact, it was when I was getting frustrated when we were in that first period of, you know, our conversations together on air.  We were talking about the Federal Reserve system, the money system, and in fact, I was mentioning Tupper Saussy’s book, and I thought it was really cool, because he was, you know, using the Constitution that no state could accept anything other than gold and silver coins in legal tender for a debt.  And so there were actually people in towns that were presenting IOUs and saying as soon as there’s legal tender.  And I thought that was so great, and you said, no.  And I said, well, why?  And you said, well, because they control the gold too.  And I know that is so.  And I want to side-track here for a second, because there are so many people that are pushing to go back to a gold standard.

Alan: I know, I know.  See, again, with all of this, you see, this starts with what they call in modern history as the beginning of civilization.  Civilization is their system.

Jackie: Well, anyway, when you said no to that, I said, well, it’s better than nothing, isn’t it Alan.  And you said, no.  And I said, well, why?  And you said, because you cannot get out of their system by using their system.  Gold is their system.  And then I said, frustratedly, well, then what’s your solution.  Because if this isn’t better than anything, nothing, then you said, if enough people, when enough people understand this, it is going to, it is going to just dissolve of itself.

Alan: It won’t be easy, because I’m telling you, people are going to suffer here.  People always suffer to get a breathing space in this system.  And that’s what I mean, a breathing space.  Which generally lasts about a generation, if you’re lucky, because these guys at the top have been at this intergenerationally for thousands of years.  And it’s literally coming down to a personal choice and everyone’s decision.  We know, and they know at the top, that we can’t go on like this consuming the way we’re consuming.  They know this.  These are economists at the top.  They see the world as their planet, and all the resources as being theirs for their offspring in the future.  They think about the future.  They’ve trained us not to.  They’ve trained us to think you’re being well managed.  Just let it happen by your betters at the top, these unseen hands at the top, you see.  And sure enough, the population, they think in the now and live in the now, and I won’t think about tomorrow, and I’ll just be happy now, and they live day to day like that.  But these guys at the top have looked at the resources of the planet, they look at our present consumption, and they don’t intend to allow us to keep consuming at this rate.

Jackie: They knew it couldn’t last.  When they designed the plan, they knew it couldn’t last.

Alan: Exactly.  Because they’ve done this before.  I mean, the Sahara at one time was a flourishing subtropical climate.  It was flourishing.  They’ve found all these skeletons of elephants and all the usual jungle animals, lions and so on, under the Sahara.  That was a flourishing place with trees and so on.  That was made destitute in an age before this, by the same guys who run this system, the predecessors of the same guys who run this system.

Jackie: How did they make it desolate like that?

Alan: They raped it.  They raped it and raped it and raped it, and used it up, burned it up.

Jackie: Took all the natural resources and the trees and the plants.

Alan: The Egyptians had records of ancient civilizations that had risen to high heights and pinnacles and then simply collapsed.  And it’s well understood in academic circles that when you live in what is called an advanced culture, meaning you’re totally interdependent, everyone is interdependent to live for subsidence, etc, in that system, then it’s the easiest system to collapse completely.  How many people today could actually live on their own in the wild?

Jackie: In the wild, I don’t know.

Alan: Most of them would give up without a thought, you know.

Jackie: They’re burning all the forests down anyway, Alan.

Alan: But what I’m saying is, that we are in a system that’s been carefully crafted with this present feeding frenzy of cheap junk from China, to keep us happy, as they go into the next step.  And it’s all done on debt.  Everyone is running credit cards.  And, when it’s time, when everything is completed, they’ll just pull it, and then all these massive police forces, which are really just world armies, will come and take care of it.  They’ll be taken care of, those police guys and the military.  They always do that.  The Romans did it too, you know.

Jackie: What do you mean, take care of them?

Alan: Of the people who will be rioting.  See, the mobs always riot.  They’re always unorganized when chaos occurs.  Most of them never see it coming.  And pandemonium breaks loose.  That’s what they’ve been carefully building up inside every country in the West for the last 20-odd years, under amalgamated multi-jurisdictional taskforces.  It’s a massive world army to take care of the chaos that they expect to come, when most of their plan has been completed.  They don’t intend to keep us happy and consuming like this, you know.

Jackie: Do you think by any stretch of the imagination that people who are consuming and consuming and consuming are happy, Alan?

Alan: It’s not a matter of happiness.

Jackie: That’s what I’m saying.

Alan: But what I’m saying is that’s what they’ve been trained to do.  That’s what they think is happiness.  Look at every ad on TV.  You’ve got a smiling face next to a toothbrush to a broom to a new car.  In other words, everything that you see is supposed to make you happy, and people have been sold on that, that idea.

Jackie: And everybody is floundering and wondering what’s wrong with their lives.

Alan: Well, that’s why you’ve got Dr. Phil to guarantee...

Jackie: Well, you know what it comes down to, to me.  And we are talking about this right now, kind of the way I answered one of the questions that was sent to me.  I said, it’s really up to each and every one of us as an individual what we’re going to do, and the only way, I said, I haven’t a clue to say what you should do or what anybody else should do, because, if we ask and we listen, we’ll be guided from within, and it always starts, like you said, it comes down to choice, in every single day, and every moment of every single day, we have choices to make, within us.  Every single one of us know the difference, right from wrong.  And maybe it is simply to begin to do that, and to take a look at ourselves and to begin to treat one another the way we want.  I’m not saying do unto others the way they do unto you, but, do unto others as we would have them do to us.  And the possibility there, at least for the individual, that the discernment comes.  Maybe that inner guidance comes.  And, whatever it is they’re doing is what they’re supposed to be doing.

Alan: See, they’ve all been trained, this is the problem, everyone has been trained, and not just this generation either.  It’s been going on for an awful long time.  Every generation has been trained that you don’t ask questions as to why.  They always say don’t ask the question.  This is what religion used to do.

Jackie: You’re not even supposed to question religious questions.

Alan: But, what I’m saying is, that used to be the standard statement given by churches to the commoner, when you asked about the meaning of life, they’d say, look, don’t ask about first and last causes.  It’s not your problem. Leave that to us.  Just you do what you’re told.  And that’s basically how the public are trained.  They’re shoved into this mass conditioning system to come out uniformly, and it’s called the educational system.  So, they all come out with the same opinions, and they think that they’ve been taught things that are true.  And they all give the same pat answers, but they’ve been conditioned all to think in a certain process, which is non-think, really.  It’s a dumbing down process which eliminates the natural person within.  And so, they come out uniform, and then the whole purpose they’re told is to get them into a job.  And then the purpose from then on is to simply support yourself through life in this system.  And, of course, once they’re in the rush of living and caught up in it, they don’t have time to ponder very much at all, except, they do know, really, deep down, that they’re not very happy.

Jackie: I know, but maybe that’s why we’re having this conversation.  Because, you know, you’ve said this yourself, that it isn’t for everybody.  Because the masses have always been the masses.

Alan: I know.

Jackie: And it seems that it’s been that way down throughout the ages.

Alan: There’s always been a large percentage who seem quite content being ruled over by unseen people.  They don’t even know their names, in fact, and don’t care to.

Jackie: Because, basically, they’re brain dead.

Alan: They’re happy slaves in a sense.  Even though the system they live in gives them neurosis and worry etc, even though, rather than look for any other way, rather than try the unknown, they’ll always take the known.

Jackie: Well, because they’re accustomed to the chaos.

Alan: Even though the known is a disaster...

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Jackie: Hi, we’re back.  I was trying to watch the clock there to give us a warning, and wasn’t able to do it before the break.  So, we’re talking about, okay, the masses, and the way it appears to me, as you said, it’s been this way down throughout the ages, and yet there’s always been a few who have escaped it somehow, at least.  Well, like I didn’t escape it.  I just began to wake up one day.  Like hit over the head.  Because, I was there too.  I was, I believed everything that we were taught in history was true.  I mean, I didn’t believe everything in the Bible was true, I knew that.  But, what I’m saying is, there are people who eventually, if they haven’t escaped it right from the get-go, they wake up, Alan.  Okay, you remember the time we were talking, and it isn’t like I’m trying to be Pollyanna here, but we have had these conversations, and I think it’s worth repeating, because, it can leave people so hopeless when you look at this, and especially when it’s new, this is all new.  You really do feel like you’ve been socked in the gut.  But I remember we were talking one time, and you were talking about this, the fact that the ones we know of, the want-to-be gods, they’re actually controlled by outside whatever.

Alan: Influences.

Jackie: They’re atheists.

Alan: They’re not really atheists.

Jackie: But you said the ones that are really involved are very aware of the power within us, and that their greatest fear is that enough people will wake up and realize who we really are, more than just a human being here, but spiritual beings.  And I asked you, how many do you think that would take.  And you said, I don’t think a lot, because there’s not a lot of them.

Alan: It’s a true story.  When someone is standing in a massive crowd can yell that the king has no clothes, and the spell is broken.  And that’s what it takes.  It takes a few people who have enough gumption to say, enough is enough, of all this polite talking around diseases.  Because, it reminds me of a medical hospital, and all the interns go around with the top surgeon, or whoever, and they stand at the bottom of a bed and around a patient’s bed.  Now, if you have a big tumor right in the middle of the patient, and you talk about all the secondary symptoms, but you’re not allowed to look and talk about that tumor that you can see there, then you’re never going to get to the problem.  And that’s what we hear in the media.  We hear these vague rumors of things, vague statements.  Everything is so vague to do with big changes and big treaties being signed and all this kind of stuff.  And we’re all so polite, we don’t want to say, wait a minute here, could you explain that to me.  It’s time we stopped this stuff, and we demand that everything be explained fully.  Because either government is your master or it’s your servant.  There’s no in between here.

Jackie: Well, I didn’t know that government was our servant ever anyway.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: Governments were never made to be servants.

Alan: But that’s what people are trained to really believe.  You vote them in and somehow they’re responsible to you, and that’s the oldest con game in the book.  Even Plato talked about that.  He said, democracy always leads to a communistic system, which leads to dictatorship.  And this was tried so many times, over and over in ancient times, and the reason they keep doing it today is because they know where they’re going and they want to go through these stages, through chaos, etc, until ultimately you have a new king of the world.  And that’s really what their goal is.  There will be one day they hope to put their own man in there as first king of the entire planet.

Because all the religions, and this is the problem.  People are trapped in their cultural religions that they’re born into, and because of that they follow the guys at the top.  The guys at the top of all the religions are part of the same religion, an inner, esoteric religion.  And I don’t care what you belong to.  If you’re following a mainstream religion, and even the New Age religions, the ones at the top are all part of a top esoteric elite.  You always lead the people through cultural religions.

Jackie: Didn’t you say that the base of that word is ligio?

Alan: To tie.  You bind them.

Jackie: To bind, and re-ligion, means to rebind.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: Religions are manmade.

Alan: They’re manmade.

Jackie: But, you didn’t acknowledge that statement that we were talking about that I was talking about.  Remember when you said that, Alan?

Alan: What was that?

Jackie: Well, you said that the real controllers know that there is a power within us, and they don’t want us to know it, that’s why we’ve got religions.

Alan: That’s also why we have a Sovietized system where the average individual, whether he knows it or not, it’s a subconscious thing, he’s been trained that you’re just a – through science by the way, science is the technique that the Soviets used all along.  And again, it’s fake science.  They train us to believe it’s all true.  But they tell you that you’re just a blob of protoplasm that happens to exist, and it’s all by chance.  And so, you’re nothing special about you.  And every function that you have and every drive that you have is programmed into you by your DNA and your genes, until you say well geez, I’m just a walking cesspool of chemicals here.  And that’s what you think of yourself.  It’s time you reclaimed your own personal sovereignty as an individual, unique being, you see.  And once you come to that understanding, my God, you find, I have a voice and it matters.  It matters what you think.  And stop being a little blob of protoplasmic jelly.  There’s more to an individual than that.  And they’re well aware that a thought that really is thought out in a deep sense, is transmitted across the planet, as soon as it is put out there, as soon as it comes into being.  And the ancients called that thought forms, of course.  The Greeks knew all about this.  They were trained by the Egyptians.  And thought forms.

Jackie: And they use it.  Remember you told us about that triangle they had set up.

Alan: Yeah, the higher black lodges they call them.

Jackie: And they’re sending out particular frequencies or messages, or.

Alan: They force their will upon those within the triangle.  In other words, the three points, say, in a state, north, south, and west, and they force their will upon those within.  That’s one of their higher rituals.

Jackie: But it’s like getting us to speak their language, Alan.

Alan: It’s almost like hypnotic tapes, played in your sleep, you might say.

Jackie: But it’s like, you know, they give us the language, and they’ve got all these symbolic meanings, these esoteric meanings of words in the language, and yet, we speak it, it is in a sense, we are unknowingly speaking their plan.

Alan: Your whole language, the whole English language is encoded to bring this about.  I’ll give you one simple little quip example here.  Everyone has been trained by Hollywood.  Do you remember when that Moore spoke out about 9/11 on an Oscar night, I think it was or some big night?

Jackie: Oh, Michael Moore.

Alan: Remember that night he first spoke about that in the States.  And in the same award show, I think was the actress, her name is Sarandon.

Jackie: Susan Sarandon.

Alan: And she said, we, the culture creators.  She said, we the culture creators must speak out about this.  Now that’s a direct translation that was always used in the Soviet Union, because, in the Soviet Union, they knew that we emulate what we see.  We think we’re being entertained here.  We’re not.  We’re being programmed.  So Hollywood’s function is to create the next step of the next part of the culture.  And so, in other words, there are so many techniques now.  The movie industry used to be called quite commonly, the cinema.  And the cinema, if you speak it in a phonetic sense, backwards, is simply Amen Is.  Amen, the god, Amen, you see.

Jackie: Amen is.

Alan: And that’s the single eye of Ra, or Lucifer.  And that’s the projection that comes out of the back of the hall.

Jackie: Okay, let me ask you a question, because this came into my mind Monday night.  Remember when you were talking about 911, and you said that 911, 9/11 is a very important date to them esoterically, symbolically.  Well, it occurred to me when you said that, that we all call it 911.  They gave it to us.  I mean, we have 911 as our emergency number.  Now we have 9/11, the holocaust at the World Trade Center.

Alan: It’s also Chapter 9, verse 11 of Revelations where the Beast from the Bottomless Pit, the Beast of War is unleashed.  What a coincidence.

Jackie: Okay.  So, here’s the thought I had.  What if we quit using 9/11, and it might only be ten of us, but, in other words we keep saying 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, giving power to that very important date to them.

Alan: I know.

Jackie: What if we just call it something else.  Call it the Holocaust at the World Trade Center.

Alan: Well, no, no.  You’ve got to be even careful there.  Because a holocaust is a deliberate sacrifice for something to be given in return.

Jackie: The World Trade Center, wasn’t it a deliberate sacrifice?

Alan: If you understand what you’re saying, it is.  But for most people, they don’t realize that it’s the halo, the sun.  It’s cast into the sun.  It’s a burnt offering.  That’s what it means.

Jackie: Okay.  So we just say the World Trade Center Tragedy.  My point is, it’s sort of like calling our children kids.

Alan: I know, goats.

Jackie: I know, but beyond just a baby goat, the Goat of Mendes is the universal symbol of Satan.  So, when we call our children kids.

Alan: That’s right.  And of course that’s what the Communists also said.  Beria said it back in the 1930s, that by neurolinguistics, which is the alteration of the meanings of words, and the substitution of words, we shall demean the human being down to a lower level.

Jackie: Thank you.  So, we call our children the spawn of Satan when we refer to them as kids.

Alan: Well, apart from that, what you’re doing is putting them into a non-human category.

Jackie: Yeah, okay.  So, we stop doing that, enough people, at least, I quit doing it, and I know other people that when they find out about it.  It enraged me Alan.  Okay.  So, what I’m saying is, just on this one particular thing, let’s quit calling it 911.  Let’s quit playing their game.

Alan: We should, and again, the whole darned English language is so multi-encoded.

Jackie: I know, but at least it’s not 911.

Alan: And the thing is, until people can think above the language that they’ve been trained into.  You see, there’s more to language than just...  And they know it too.  We see symbology everywhere.  And this symbology, your subconscious, actually, it’s really the sea of the unconscious which recognizes it.  And you can be programmed just as easily through symbology, which they do all the time.  We’re getting flashed with symbols on TV and ads in magazines, and logos.  So, but there’s a much higher form of natural symbology too, within nature.  And that is where the true meditation comes in. That’s when your mind is flowing freely, and it gets above your conditioning.  Instead of meditating yourself into a stupor, you’re supposed to meditate yourself into a wakefulness.  That’s the real form of it.  And that means that all your faculties are working, because you have more senses, you see, to use, which most folk don’t use at all.

Jackie: Well, one thing.  We have to have quiet time to do that, and for people who live in cities, it has to be a very intentional thing.  And I do know that, because I was in Saint Louis, and well, we were in the ’burbs, but you still had traffic and children and stuff like that.  So, you find a quiet place, like, for example, where you live, where I live.  It’s quiet.  And you can hear it.  You can hear the birds.  You can hear the little peepers at night.  You can hear the leaves rustle on the trees.

Alan: It’s so quiet at night I can listen to my Ford truck rusting.

Jackie: There you go.  Well, that’s what, see.  So, some of us are in that place where it’s easy.  But for people who are in densely-populated areas, it isn’t impossible.  But, you don’t put headsets on when you go jogging.  I mean, give yourself some time, like you said, allow those thoughts.  If you’re in your car, turn the radio off.  Use it for some quiet time.  And it’s amazing the thoughts that will start rolling through your mind, Alan.  Even Revelation type things.

Alan: You see, children do it naturally.  They go into a natural meditative state.  If you’ve ever watched them around the age of three, four, five, sometimes their jaw just hangs open and they’re staring at something, and they’re far, far away, but they’re in a natural meditative state.  That is trained out of us through the school system, where we’re taught, what are you doing daydreaming?  Get back to your, you know, pay attention.  They’re destroying a natural meditative state that people used to have right through their entire lives.

Jackie: And it goes even for us, I mean, who are in the country, have the quiet, put on a television, put on a radio, you have shattered the silence.

Alan: Shattered it, and also, the public have been trained to get up in the morning to the radio.

Jackie: I know it.

Alan: And then, all day at work, sometimes in factories they blare music, in shopping malls.

Jackie: Oh, my God, everywhere, the elevator.  It doesn’t matter where you are.

Alan: And then you’re getting, I don’t know if people realize it, they got all these subliminal messages.  There are companies that sell this.  This is standard.  This is not conspiracy here.  All those little, happy little dreary songs you hear in the elevator or in stores have programming in there, to don’t steal, or buy, buy, buy, like the movie They Live, which everybody should get and watch.  And then they get back at night from work.  They’re tired.  They put their feet up, they watch the TV.  In other words, professional people whose job it is to give you downloading are putting thoughts into your head all day long.

Jackie: You know what just came into my mind when you were talking about coming home from work tired, put your feet up and turn the television on?  In my mind, I saw a family together without a television on.  And that can be. Families can be together without televisions, without radios.  They can talk with one another.  They can communicate, they can listen.  And you know, maybe that’s, in my mind, what I’m talking about is the way we’d be every single day, as much as we can possibly be, as close as we can to walk that walk.  And I don’t care how tired a parent is.  If the children have been without the parents all day, they need each other.

Alan: And the problem is again, the cycle has been...

Jackie: I’m talking about people who are listening to this broadcast right now.  I’m talking for.

Alan: The families, you mean.

Jackie: I’m talking for, to, yes.

Alan: And what I’m saying, though, see, this would be fine if you could nip something in the bud before it starts.  And all you need is one generation to take it for granted that the state is bringing up your children.  And they do subconsciously.  They never mention it vocally, but the state has taken over the conditioning, long ago, of their children, until they’re at a state now of Socialism.  And they don’t realize this either.  They expect the government should support their children and take care of them in Nursery schools and daycare.

Jackie: And you know, it’s amazing.  If we give children a chance, what they really, really, really respond to.  And I know, because I’ve experienced it, when the grandchildren come in the summertime, and they come out of the city, they go to bed at night listening to their radios.  They each have their own individual little players with little headsets.  When they come here Alan, we’ll put the TV on to watch a movie.  But we don’t wake up in the morning and turn a television on.  I talk to them about the dangers of going to sleep with the radio on.  I didn’t get hassles from them.  When I told the children, and Ashley was twelve at the time, so, Amber would have been seven or nine, whatever, Brandon, they were twelve and under.  And I thought that they might think, oh, gee, she’s being so silly.  But I just simply told them that it occurred to me that when we call our children kids that we’re calling them baby goats.  And I said, you are not baby goats.  You are children.  You are young people.  I’m not calling you kids anymore.  And I thought they might kind of laugh at me.  But they didn’t.  And when I said, if I, because it sounds kind of formal to me, you know, children.  It was hard for me at first, Alan.  And I didn’t slip many times, but I said, if I slip, just remind me, we’re not baby goats.  And Alan, I slipped a few times.  Every time I did, in unison, that’s what they said.  We’re not baby goats, mama.  And we went outside.  We did the garden.  One day they were going out, they were shelling peas or something.  Amber came in to gather up their little headset radios.  And I said, what are you doing babe.  She said, we’re going to.  I said, oh, no.  I said, just leave the radios in here, and just listen to the birds out there.  She said, okay, and I heard her tell Ash, mama says forget the radios and listen to the birds.  In other words, Alan, they respond.  They do respond.  But they need an adult, who cares enough to step in there and make the change for them.  And I know when they go back home they go back into it.  But, when they get their summers here, it’s a different experience.  All I’m saying is, it isn’t impossible.

Alan: It’s not impossible, and you’ve got to realize something that all dictators down through the thousands of years have known, because, this is a science.  Everything is based on science and knowledge.  Children want to be guided.  They really do.  Now, we’ve been trained since the 60s especially, and the 50s and 60s and 70s, that children are rebellious and they don’t want guidance.  And that’s not true.

Jackie: Thanks to Dr. Spock.

Alan: Because, if you go back even to the Young Communist Party, where they wanted to divide the young from the old, because the old are contaminated with their old thoughts, you see.  And then they brought the children up by the state.  The same techniques are applied here in a more clever, you know, a more subdued fashion, but very effective.  And all the great dictators know that when they want to take over a country or a world, they always go for the young.  And that’s why you had the Communist Youth, the Hitler Youth, and every other youth movement.  It’s run by the guys at the top.  And even the New Age movement to an extent that bypassed the parents and grabbed the children.  And this is all intentional.  It’s the same techniques over and over again, because they never fail.  Children actually want guidance.  And they want guidance from someone that will spend time with them.

Jackie: Exactly.

Alan: You see, as an actual real living person who will listen to what they say.

Jackie: And that’s why I had this picture in my mind, you know, parents coming home, put their feet up on the stool, and say, well, how did your day go children.  What did you do today?  And talk.  And to have dinner together.  And talk around the table, and laugh, and have fun together.  And you know what else I found out about them?  They love to hear stories about us when we were young.  And when I get going, they’ll say, tell us another one, mama.  Tell us another one.  You know, sometimes your thoughts just pop out and you tell them something and they get a big kick out of it.  And they’ll just sit, and they eat it up.

Alan: What we need is continuity.

Jackie: Maybe if somebody says, what can I do?  Maybe that, right there, is the important thing in the whole world is the way we’d be with one another.  The way we’d be with our friends, our spouses, our loved ones, our anybody, but especially family.  Keep it together.

Alan: It’s continuity, continuity of generations.

Jackie: And have a family be a haven for each and every individual in that family.  They all have their little life they go about, and the one safe place there, at least for the children growing up is there.  Because mom and dad are there, or maybe mom or maybe dad.  If it’s only one parent then you’ve got to do it for both.

Alan: Remember what Maurice Strong said at the Earth Summit, and that Earth Summit was made up by one of the Rockefellers actually and Maurice Strong just presented it.  And that affects the whole world, once again, this big NGO organization, unelected, making our world plans for us.  And Maurice Strong said that the last vestige of the family must be destroyed.  And that’s the old Communist regime again, because continuity between generations was their big enemy, because a small family is representative of a tribe.  And they destroyed the tribe long ago.  When there’s no family that will stand up together, then government is your direct master that will dictate to the individual.

Jackie: Yeah.  The Big Brother who loves you.

Alan: That’s right.  And you have nobody to turn around to help you.  And that’s what they’ve always known.

Jackie: We have one minute left to go here tonight.

Alan: Well, people have to get themselves into gear.  And they have to realize that it’s coming on fast.  And they’ve got to start to be honest with themselves, and once that happens, you’d be amazed what happens within those around you, and even at great distances too.

Jackie: At great distances.  You know what.  I’d like to talk more about that maybe next Wednesday night when you were talking about a thought.  We talked about this once before.  And it is so exciting.  And I would like to revisit that maybe next Wednesday night, okay?

Alan: Sure enough.

Jackie: Thank you.  And folks, remember that Alan’s website is cuttingthroughthematrix.com.  If you haven’t seen the video, what was it called?  Reality Check.  Watch it folks.  And there’s lots of Alan’s broadcasts on there too.

 

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Jackie Patru: Good Evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  Today is Wednesday.  It is the 19th of April in the year 2006.  And it’s getting warm.  The grass is getting green, the daffodils are out, and the little birds are singing, and it’s just been delightful.  And I hope it’s just as delightful where you are.  And I’m glad you’re with us tonight, ladies and gentlemen.  We have Alan Watt with us tonight, of course.  And Alan has just been invited on so many radio broadcasts, folks.  I hope you can hear me over grandfather [clock].  He looks like he’s getting a little slow, doesn’t he, Alan?

Alan Watt: It could be, it could be the weather.

Jackie: No.  Yeah, it could be or it could be a little screw in there that needs to be turned.  Let me share our spiritual message here.  This is very short, very sweet.  Listen to this, folks.  Listen to this.  "Love waits on welcome, not on time.  Love waits on welcome, not on time."  So, Alan, my goodness, we talked just earlier this evening, and you’ve got about, at least three I think that you mentioned, and you’re going to have to leave early tonight.  Well, at five till.

Alan: Maybe five or ten till.  Maybe ten.

Jackie: Not ten.

Alan: I’ve got scribbles all over the place here.

Jackie: No, not ten, Alan.  Because I don’t have anything at hand prepared, so you can leave at five till, okay.

Alan: Well, yeah, I’ve got these little scribbles and things.  I think people think that guys like me are sort of either retired or living on cash, and I do this as a hobby.  But they should know, it’s not like that at all.  I mean, I cook for myself.  I fix my truck, which I’m doing right now.  And all the stuff that gets mailed out I do too.  So, it’s not a hobby.  And it’s not my income, either.  But I think a lot of people really do think that when you switch on a TV station, for instance, or a radio station, just because it’s there they think that you’re professional and that’s what you do.

Jackie: And that you get paid for it.

Alan: And that you get paid for it.  The money just magically rolls in.

Jackie: Yes, I understand that, with the Sweet Liberty website, I’m sure that I wouldn’t be exaggerating if I said that, each of us, Darren and I, have hundreds of hours in it, Alan, over these years.  Even preparing an article to put it in.

Alan: And just even taking one tape, say, and then putting it on a CD, and then formatting it for the website for downloading, that can take hours and hours, just for one.  For one hour.  So, there’s no team.  There’s no staff here doing it all.

Jackie: Well, let’s put it this way.  Let’s ask anybody who’s listening, who appreciates the information that has been imparted by you, if that’s the right word, via this broadcast.  And of course, you’ve been on others, but speaking particularly to our listeners.  If you appreciate the information, maybe, Alan, I’m glad you brought this up tonight, and folks, this wasn’t planned.  Alan and I never know what we’re going to talk about.  But it is true that, and Alan, I can relate to that.  When Chuck was here, I always felt that I had a helpmate, so if I let the ball go on something, he’d pick it up.  Well, like you said, you do everything.  You know, you cook for yourself, and then, of course you have to do the dishes, and you do your own repairs, plus you do engine repair and building and all sorts of odd jobs to allow you to be able to do what you’re doing.  And folks, I hope you hear this.  I want to mention this, and I’m not saying this to be derogatory, because I think sometimes people say things without really thinking.  Like you said, Alan, they just think automatically that, I guess, I don’t know.

Alan: We have been trained that way.  We’ve been trained you flick on a switch and there’s the TV or the radio station.  And we knew that too, when we were on the shortwave broadcasting.  And sure enough, we asked to get help, and some people did.  Most didn’t.  But most of them then would phone and ask if the show was off the air, and say, well, what happened to you?  We were always going to help; but they didn’t do it.  And that’s how it happens.  One day you’re not there, and what you’re left with then is the established opposition.  And you know, the big boys, because they put their opposition out there, the superstars for you to follow round in circles.  And then, you get no different, no unique information whatsoever.  You’re back in the loop.

Jackie: I’ve had a lot of listeners call, and say, I wish you were back on the air, there’s nothing to listen to anymore.

Alan: It’s a routine now.  The shortwave is just a routine.

Jackie: Well, the thing is that the Sweet Liberty listeners, long-time listeners, learned a lot, and when they tune into the other broadcasts, they realize what it is.  They don’t realize, people, most people don’t realize, it is entertainment.  It is entertainment, and they’re pretty well produced, and the information.

Alan: And there’s staff and there’s teams.

Jackie:  But there was one gentleman that wrote to me.  And he said that he felt that people who do what we’re doing and don’t ask anything for it, and he wasn’t referring to me, or anything, but just that he thought it was great that he could go to the website and download archives and things like that, and that he thought that the people were really for real, who did things without for money.  And I said, well, hmm, let’s look at it this way, because I know I found this out, Alan.  And I told you this, and this is God’s honest truth.  I went through my entire life savings.  And I don’t regret it.  I don’t begrudge it.  Because at the time, what we were doing was very important to me, and I felt important to the country, but the point is, literally, when Chuck and I were getting ready to move here, and I went to close out my account, there was only $2,000 in it.  I had a six-figure savings account, Alan.  And I spent it from 1991 to the end of ’95, it was all gone.  And thank heaven, heaven sent me Chuck, because, Alan, I didn’t even know I was broke.  And when I got that $2,000, and I called the bank, and I said, somebody has been withdrawing from my account.  And he said, Jackie, no. This was in Carlinville, small town bank.  But they sent me every single withdrawal slip and it was there, and it was gone.  And, as I pointed out to this gentleman.  I said, if the people who are doing what they’re doing are doing it for free and they run out of money, guess what happens.  They can’t do it anymore.

Alan: I mean, there’s two professions I could choose from, but I’d rather do something that’s honest, you see.  And I certainly could get by a lot better than I’m doing.  I’m not doing this to sell anything.  I don’t make money, even on the books, which I make up myself here right on the floor.

Jackie: Well, maybe you make four or five dollars, Alan.  I mean, you did raise the price five dollars, at my insistence, because I knew you were barely breaking even with the work, with the books.  Because, when you’re only getting ten or so done at a time, you’re paying through the nose for each copy.

Alan: Yeah, and I also asked if you get more done, is there a discount, and they said no.

Jackie: Well, see, where I go, there is.  But you have to have a lot.  Like, there’s a little bit of a break at a hundred.  There’s a better break at three hundred.  And at five hundred, there’s a better break yet.  Well, you can’t afford to do that, because you don’t have the upfront money to make the savings, so that if your book sells.

Alan: And when I send them overseas, it’s $28.50 just for the mail.

Jackie: To mail it?

Alan: To mail them overseas.

Jackie: What’s overseas?  Oh, to like Europe and that.

Alan: That’s right.  Even the ones to the States, if I was going first class, would be about $20.00.  I take second class instead, you know.

Jackie: Well, I know it’s getting terrible over here, but I remember when our stamps were like 20 some cents a piece, when I would get mail from Canada, a stamp was in the 50 cents.  So, I know, as ours has gone up, yours had to go up tremendously.

Alan: And plus, we have 15% tax on top of the price we see on the envelope.

Jackie: You have what?

Alan: Because we’re more democratic than you are, we pay extra taxes.  So, we pay 15% over the cost.  So, whatever they charge you, it’s plus 15% extra.

Jackie: For what?

Alan: For everything.  Paper, envelopes, mailing.  There’s another 15% on top of the stamps.

Jackie: Oh, that’s for their handling your mail.  That’s called handling charges, Alan.

Alan: Actually, I think they’re called pocket charges.  They go into big pockets at the top there, big ones.

Jackie: Yeah.  You mentioned something to me the other day, that you, well, and you didn’t seem surprised.  I was.  You have had a couple book orders, but you said that people aren’t buying the books.  They’re watching the video, you know, free on your website.  But that video doesn’t even compare to the information that’s in your books.  One of the things that really brings it home to me, is that you’ll use in the book, with the diagrams and photographs, they’re old, they’re photocopies of old books that we couldn’t even get our hands on.  And so, it makes what you’re writing, it makes it ring true.  And I remember one particularly, one of the kings or pharaohs or somebody was like a hermaphrodite.  Who was that?

Alan: That’s the famous Akhenaten.

Jackie: Akhenaten.  Well, anyway, there was a photograph up there.  It wasn’t Akhenaten.  It’s in one of the books though.  It might be your first one, but the point is, I was surprised that so many people that go into your website and that go into Sweet Liberty are not ordering the books.  But you said, well, it’s part of the programming.  People don’t read anymore.  I for some reason held our listeners in a whole different light, that they would be the ones that would want to get their hands on something that would convince them.  Maybe they believe what you’re saying.  But it’s different when you’re looking at these ancient writings and stuff, and you see, then you say, oh, my God, what he said was true.  So, I don’t know what to say about this.

Alan: What’s wrong is, as I say, everything now, and I’m so surprised, because apparently the sort of PayPal thing, which is a play on something, people should say it over and over and they’ll get it, what it means.  But it’s only been around for about five years or so, really big time.  And in five years, the people don’t know how to go and buy a postal order any more, or mail something.

Jackie: Or they want PayPal.

Alan: And they want instant, instant you see.

Jackie: Oh, and I wrote PayPal down all in one word.  Papal?

Alan: Papal, yeah.  It’s a big, the bank, you know.  And in five years they’re so conditioned that they’re ready, almost, for their chip.

Jackie: But Alan, I have always held our listeners in a, it didn’t occur to me that anyone listening to this broadcast, with the information that, even when you weren’t on, but especially when you’re on, the information that has been imparted from this broadcast, for ten years it was, actually eight on shortwave, I wouldn’t think that anybody would listen that really wasn’t seeking truth, and that was above, not above, but beyond or outside of, the programming, and well, instead of buying a book and reading, but to sit and listen to somebody, or watch somebody talk.  Maybe a lot of it, this just occurred to me, you now, the news on television.  Because they, people do have a tendency to believe everything that announcer is saying.  Maybe this is an override.  And they say, well, I know it’s so, because Alan Watt said it.  You know how many times I said, do you remember those first twenty broadcasts that we did.  You know.  I don’t know how many times, but I can remember so often saying, I don’t know that this is true just because Alan is saying it.  Didn’t I, Alan?  I didn’t disbelieve you, but just because you were saying it, I didn’t know it was true.  And then, of course, over the years and with the books that you’ve written, especially those first two, well, I guess because they were such eye openers to me, and then, now after all these years, you know, it was like listening to you on George Noory.  And, I talked to another one of our Sweet Liberty listeners.  She said, there wasn’t anything you said that we didn’t already know because we had covered these topics so much, but she said, what a great refresher course it was.  But there has been such wonderful information imparted, and folks, I don’t know.  It’s up to you.  Maybe you don’t want to get Alan’s book.  But maybe you would like to help support the cost of the website.  One of our listeners and a friend of mine, Alan, Darren had put out a thing and said, you know, that if he couldn’t get some help, I didn’t know this, because Darren has been paying the cost of our website this whole time.  But he said, he needed some help, and Jerry, one of our listeners that actually, his help has just been immeasurable.  But he said, well, we can’t let the website go down. So, he called Darren, and said, tell me how much it is, you know, for the year, and he would finish it out.  And that’s what I would think and hope somebody who has the funds to do it, or somebody who would be willing to say, look, I don’t have a lot, but here’s five bucks, or here’s ten bucks, because every little bit helps.

Alan: It helps, and it really is, as I say, and I hate even having to mention this.  And I think people are so used to hearing the begging pleas from the shortwave from the big boys, who are selling everything except the kitchen sink, and that will come shortly with a built-in shortwave or a light on it or something.  And I’m selling nothing.  I’m giving the information away on the site for them.  And it’s not because I’ve got an ulterior motive, selling anything.  It’s because I know what’s going on, and that people have to get it very quickly, where we’re going.  Very, very quickly, because the time is getting so short.  They’ve been trained so carefully and craftily, because the boys at the top understand their natures, how they adapt so quickly.  They’re ready for the cashless society.  They’re ready for having their whole life exposed by the government, which by the way, is called blackmail.  They’re very good at blackmailing people.  And some people will say, well, I’ve got nothing to hide.

Jackie: I know.

Alan: Well, people should be indignant, because privacy is an essential part of freedom.  Privacy.

Jackie: And over here we call it pry-vacy, folks.  But I’m sure they knew what you meant, but, when you say pam, and then I have to figure out you mean palm.  I want to make sure our listeners know.

Alan: Yeah, well, you say tomayto.

Jackie: And you say tomahto.

Alan: Yeah, that’s it.

Jackie: Well, I know.  I always felt the same way when we were on shortwave.  In fact, it got to the point we’d get so far behind, and Chuck would say, you’ve got to do a pledge night.  And I’d say, Chuck, honey, not just yet.  And finally he’d say, look, I’ll do it for you.  He dreaded it, but I dreaded it more.  And yet here, I mean, it’s like, you know, Chuck told them.  I didn’t, but, oh my God, my life has been dedicated to this.  And just one hour four nights a week, what you put into it, as far as research and etc, not that I ever wrote everything down and stuff like that, but preparation, the time that you give, and yet, and it was for them.  Because I knew it all, or I couldn’t have been sharing it with them.  And yet, I hated to say, we need help here or we’re going to have to go off the air.

Just to make it easy for people so they don’t have to look it up, do you want to tell them a little bit about the books and how they can get them, or how they can write to you if they wanted to.

Alan: Well, these three books are really, it’s an eye-opener.  I don’t go through the whole history of the Illuminati to entertain you or anything like that.  There’s lots of fake ones put out there, for you to do and amuse you and amaze you.  I show you symbols and symbology that’s been controlling your mind all your life, and you haven’t even been conscious of it.  And I show you the ancient symbols, etc.  And what I’ve done, has been much copied by the big boys, believe you me.  And if I was to say something new today, I guarantee you they’d all be quoting it tomorrow.  That happened just this week, in fact.  I mentioned about the secret societies on one of the other shows, and the next day, a person in Britain, who’s well known for chasing crocodiles, he’s got....

Jackie: We can say names on this broadcast.

Alan: It doesn’t matter.  The fact is, sure enough, out came a whole bunch on secret societies.  And I even mentioned the other day on a blurb I did about movies to see, about one movie that was called Enemy Mine, and my God, the next day, the D&J show on the shortwave mentioned Enemy Mine.  I thought, my goodness, you know.  Because they must keep the big boys on top of all the information that’s coming out, you see.  And that makes it seem as though they say it first, and then they spin it, of course.

Jackie: Alan, I wanted to say this tonight, also.  On your behalf, but I believe that you’re going to concur wholeheartedly with me.  For, example, there was one broadcast you were on, and you knew the background and bio of the person, and you’re not on anymore, because something came up and you told the truth, and they didn’t like it.  And that will happen.  But you’ve been invited on some broadcasts that actually are hosted by controlled opposition.  And I wanted our listeners to know, I think this is important, that just because you’re on a broadcast with somebody, doesn’t mean that you endorse or embrace in any way, shape, or form.  It’s that you want to take the opportunity to get the word out to as many people as possible.

Alan: That’s it.  And I think also, since the world was conquered, divided, and subdivided, etc, right down to the minute atom, almost, division is the big controlling factor here by the big boys.  And sometimes it’s better to try and converse with someone who’s sworn to be against what you stand for, in the hope that on a one-to-one basis you’ll get through to them, rather than cause conflict.  Once you argue, the game is over, you know.  So you can sow a seed here and there, and it’s up to the conscience then, because that seed won’t go away from that person.

Jackie: Right.  It might be slow germinating, but the seed has been planted.  I just wanted to say that though, because I remember when Jim McCanny was on Coast to Coast, and we talked about it, and I said, you know, the thing that concerns me, is that we know that no radio broadcast is going to be on 500 AM stations, all over the country, unless, maybe knowingly, or unknowingly, Alan, they’re putting out disinformation.  And then it kind of, I was concerned that he would get all jumbled up with all the rest, but I told him, I said, I really understand it.  I mean, I don’t have a particular thing, but had I ever been invited to go on there, on a particular topic that I could talk about, I wouldn’t have said no.

Alan: See, the problem today, well it’s sort of boiling it down into something which is just a bit too small, but one of the problems today is that people don’t know the difference between fiction and non-fiction, and they’ve been trained that way for their whole lives, actually, since they began to bring Sport and Entertainment into the news broadcasts.  So, half of it is Hollywood and half of it is supposed to be news, until it’s all sort of mushed together, and there’s wars abroad and people getting killed, and then there’s somebody getting an affair in Hollywood, and some sports guy kicks a ball somewhere and gets applauded.  It’s all mushed up until nothing is real anymore.  And so, people can’t differentiate what’s real or not.  And they’ve been caught up in a fictional, entertainment type program.  And their minds are being shaped for them, unawares, because it’s primarily through entertainment that you do preconditioning.  You put it into their minds of a possibility to come.  And once you accept it in a fictional form, because your defenses are down, when you start to see it materialize in your life, you don’t oppose it.  It seems somehow familiar.  And that’s because it’s predictive programming, they call it.  It’s a form of programming.  And they found this out in World War I, in Britain.  When the BBC began its radio broadcasts, they were running so short of troops that they used Tavistock Institute to come up with ways of behavior modification amongst the public, and Tavistock suggested using fictional plays on radio.  And so, every day at noon, everybody would tune in, and you were left with a sort of cliffhanger, tune in tomorrow for part 2 or 3 or whatever.  And that was how they started to put these ideas into your head, and of course, it was to do with war and bravery and heroism, and there was real people called Tom and Joe and James, and here they are in the trenches, going to be killed.  What will happen next?  See tomorrow.  Now, this was all geared at the youth to get them to join up.  And so, they used that very successfully.

Jackie: And they make heroes out of the soldiers.  They glorify war is what they do, Alan.

Alan: They do.  And the Pentagon has admitted from two years ago, they put millions into Hollywood after 9/11 to put out these movies like Jarhead, to get the youngsters to join up.

Jackie: I don’t know what Jarhead was.

Alan: It means a Marine, you know.  But it’s aimed primarily at young black guys, who really are sort of the ghetto types that have no...

Jackie: No future ahead of them.

Alan: Yeah.  And suddenly you put a uniform on and your government suddenly respects you.  You see, that’s the message.  You get instant respect if you put that uniform on.  But really, all you are is a number to go off and get killed.  And like Kissinger said in the book about Kissinger.  He said, when he was asked the question, what does he think of the American troops.  And this was in the Vietnam era, that was by Woodward and Bernstein.  Kissinger said to the reporters, he says, Well, the troops are just dumb, stupid animals who are used for foreign policy.  Now, what more do you want?

Jackie: I heard David Lang from the Bank of Canada on a tape from the fourth World Wilderness Conference.  He got up to talk about the bank.  He said, this is a wonderful idea, unfortunately, the cannon fodder that inhabits this earth would not understand a not-for-profit bank.  It’s got to be a profit.  But, that’s how he said it, that casually.

Alan: He said this generation is the cannon fodder in that speech.

Jackie: Kissinger said that?

Alan: No, that was at the World Bank one, I’m talking about.  But the Kissinger one was his reply about the troops, and he was telling you honestly what they are.  They are dumb, because they’re too young to know anything.  They’re stupid in the sense that they get the same propaganda as everybody else.

Jackie: Oh, we have to take a break.  I heard the music.  Okay, keep your thought.

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Jackie: Alright.  We’re back folks, with Alan Watt.  Alan, you were talking, well, you mentioned the movie Jarhead, and how they use entertainment.

Alan: That’s so a young guy can fantasize of being a hero, because every young man thinks he’s immortal.  He cannot imagine death.  And it’s always going to be somebody else, and death is unreal and it’s in the movies and so on.  And as I say, Woodward and Bernstein said that about foreign policy.  And we better realize that foreign policy is not dreamed up on the spur of a moment, or a catastrophe, or whatever.  Foreign policy is a far-ahead planned strategy of money, economics, etc, and takeovers.  That’s what foreign policy is all about.  So, when Kissinger spoke the truth, he said the soldier is a dumb, stupid animal to be used for foreign policy, he was talking as one of the elite, knowing that that is basically the truth.  They’re not going off to fight for the reasons they think they are.  They’re going off fighting for a long-term strategy that was planned way in advance.  And they should realize that.  It’s like Karl Marx said, every system that’s ever existed in civilization, and he was a Mason, so he should know, civilization being their system of money and control and power.  Every era has been basically formed on an economic system.  And that’s the system we live in today.  It’s an economic system.  And war is about economics, and not for the public of a country.

Jackie: Well, you know, they have multiple layers for everything they do, and remember when Norman Dodd got those archives from, what was it, Carnegie Foundation.  And they said that they had set up a committee to study whether there was any other way better than war, if you wanted to change a society and a people and make sure they never returned to where they were.  And this committee, the conference, came up with the answer and said, no.  There is no way better than war.  And, of course, it is economic and it is also part of the way that they mold the people.

Alan: I think one of the keys to it, is that, you see, the people who have always run empires, run empires by the use of terror.  And terror can take many different approaches to how it effects people.  Some are very subtle, some are overt.  Sometimes it’s all shouting, more than reality, like the Bird Flu for instance.  But there’s terror none the same.  Now, when war ceases, and they know this, once they get their global government on the go, when war ceases they have to keep everybody, to legitimize the need for government, and especially massive government, as they have, you must find enemies everywhere.  And of course that was the Soviet strategy.  It’s been well tested there, because once the Soviets took over, or the Bolsheviks went in and the Soviet regime began, and they took over all those little countries, no one was invading them; there was a little invasion by Britain for a sort of half-hearted attempt, but afterwards they were pretty safe.  No one was invading them.  And to hold power, the Soviets had to find enemies everywhere, and that was a reign of terror, you see, that there were terrorists everywhere, so the government had a reign of terror.  And they just picked people up all over the place, accused them of being spies or anti-Soviet and so on.  And trained the public that they were all around you, they were within you, and it could be you yourself.  And that is what we’re seeing now with this War on Terror, for the New American Century policy, that Cheney and Perle and Wolfowitz and the rest of them planned in the ’90s, and published.  What you’re seeing is a reign of terror on the minds of the public, everywhere.

Jackie: When you say Cheney and who was it?

Alan: Wolfowitz.

Jackie: Okay, but there were people behind them.

Alan: Oh, there was Perle too, Richard Perle, and a whole bunch of them.

Jackie: Okay, but what I’m saying is, it wasn’t just them.

Alan: Oh, I know.

Jackie: Because, you said this many times, and I am convinced that these people that we know of that are out there in the limelight...

Alan: Are frontmen.

Jackie: They’re frontmen.  They didn’t plan anything.  They probably got together and smoked a few cigars and had a few drinks, and they had all the paper in front of them, because it was already laid out, but they were the ones that were acknowledged and now becoming infamous for it.

Alan: You never ever put your main men to the public.  Because, if you lost them, then a good part of knowledge is gone.  You always put someone who is very useful, but really is also disposable, if need be.  And that’s standard, all down through history.

Jackie: And they don’t care.  You know, they can be slammed, I mean, of course, the media being controlled, they’ll write their pieces to get their "say in".  Nothing ever happens to these people.  So, it doesn’t matter to them whether they’re being slammed in the eyes of the public.

Alan: Well, that’s what the president is for.  See, a president and a prime minister, their job is to take the heat.  They take the heat.  And it’s a wrestling match for the public.  You know, you slang Giant Mountain Man against Giant Haystack.

Jackie: And there are so many, oh my goodness, so many movements afoot, to get Bush impeached, as though that’s ever going to happen, Alan.

Alan: It wouldn’t make any difference, as we know, because whoever takes over is sworn to the same agenda as he was.

Jackie: Well, in other words, if he did get impeached, it would be part of the plan.

Alan: Yeah.  I mean, John Kerry already said when he was running, and it was so funny at the time, because there was a Canadian from BC who was actually managing the Kerry campaign for America, a Canadian citizen, and there was David Fromm from Canada, as the main advisor to Bush.  I mean, I thought, boy, this is a joke, you know.  And they were writing the scripts and everything for Americans to hear, using all the Hollywood clichés and everything else.  And I thought, boy oh boy, you know, it’s a wonderful web they weave, indeed.  But, yeah, presidents and prime ministers just take the heat.  And we don’t vote a new government in.  What we do always is vote the old guys out, we’re so fed up.  That really is how democracy really is about, you know.

Jackie: Right.  Democracy.  And we don’t vote anybody in or out, do we?

Alan: No, never.  In fact, the bureaucrats that have been lifelong bureaucrats in federal governments and the heads of those departments are not voted in by anybody.  Most of them are unknown to the public and remain unknown, and yet, they dialog straight to the United Nations for all their parts of the agenda.

Jackie: You know, back in ’92 when I was campaigning for Bo Gritz, I told you, I was apolitical all my life.  I knew nothing about politics.  I knew nothing, pretty much about anything.  But I was very, you know, taken in by Bo Gritz.  Alan, I just lost my train of thought.  I went thinking out there so far that I lost my train of thought.

Alan: I think maybe it was to do with his appearance after 9/11.  After coming off the shortwave radio, only about a month or two before, and there he was, pictured on the Congressional steps, he just happened to be there, and so did the camera crew.  And he was asked, Mr Gritz, you know, as the most decorated Vietnam veteran, etc – the man who had done years on the shortwave, supposedly for Patriot broadcasting...

Jackie: The hero, yes.

Alan: And there he was, he was asked, who do you think probably blew up the towers.  He says, it’s probably those paranoid black-helicopter-seeing militia types that listen to the shortwave radio.  That’s your frontman.  This is the guy who boasted when he left the army that he left it with hip-pocket orders.

Jackie: Hip-pocket orders.  Well, I remember what I was going to say.  You were talking about elections.  And this is how naive I was, and how intense I was about what I was doing.  When the election was over, this one guy said to me, we need to start planning for the next election, and Alan, I looked at him, and I meant this.  I said, do you actually think that we’re going to have another election in this country?  And he said, Jackie, they have elections in Russia.  They had them in the Soviet Union.  But, to me, at that time, it was, things were so intense that I thought, well, there will never be another election again.  You know, because we’ve lost it.  But the whole point is, there aren’t elections, because they’re all phony.

Alan: They’re all phony.  It came out in Britain, that Tony Blair, and I’ve been waiting, because they always tell you who these guys are after, once they leave, but he’s not left yet.  But they did declassify some information that said that he was recruited at university, Oxford, of course, by MI5 to go into Left Wing groups and spy on them.  So, basically, MI5 put their own man in as prime minister.  How’s that?

Jackie: Wow.  Well, like the CIA probably puts their...

Alan: Well, look at Daddy Bush.  He worked for the CIA for years.  So, it’s such a farce to watch this, the shenanigans continue, and the public continue to support them as though they’re real people.

Jackie: Yeah.  And another thing that makes me feel sad, is the people, and yet, I want to qualify this, the people who sincerely, because they know that Bush is a bad guy, and they are working very, very hard, hoping and praying that they’ll get him impeached, Alan.  And I look at it now, and I say, they don’t even realize it, but they’ve become the opposition that’s necessary for this whole thing to continue.  However, there’s another way that I have of looking at this, because I know my sincerity, Alan, when I first started out.  I mean, geez, my whole thing was saving the Constitution, and Alan, that’s what I went through my life savings for, and then, I found out that our Constitution was a frame-up.  Okay, but, look, just, you know, bear with me here.  I started out that naive.  And that much love with my country, with what the country stood for, even the flag, Alan. I was one of those flag-waving Americans, proud to be an American.  And what I’m saying is, I look at it today, and oh, my God.  But how, see, not to put these people down, I guess that’s what I’m saying, because they’re sincere, and we don’t realize when we’re doing all this stuff, that we’re just, we’re part of a plan.  And Alan, I’ve wondered if you and I are part of a plan sometimes.  In other words, I don’t know, maybe we are cutting through the matrix.

Alan: Oh, I know, that’s the thing.  I mean eventually I’ll give them so much stuff to do with the occult explanations, and I’m telling you, they’re not buying it from the bookstores, the stuff I’ll be giving them, and really, it will open their eyes.  It will open their eyes.

Jackie: Well, I’ve often wondered that.

Alan: This is the time for it, you know.

Jackie: As controlled as this world is, if my being on the air and imparting all the information that I did.  I mean, a lot of it was on a political vein. I mean, we covered everything.  We covered the educational system and regional governance and States’ rights, and just everything, Alan.  We covered the chemtrails.  But maybe, what each person does that is sincere, maybe they’re exactly where they’re supposed to be at that particular time.  And maybe that’s the opening for them, if you would.  You know, like my first foray into this whole thing was campaigning for Bo Gritz for president.  You see what I’m saying.  And you know, I felt sorry for the people that were campaigning for Ross Perot, Alan.  Because I knew he was a phony.  Well, you know how I knew he was a phony?  Because he was on mainstream media.

Alan: Exactly, exactly.

Jackie: However, I felt sorry for them.  I felt compassionate.  Because I knew that what they were doing they so believed in, and here I am campaigning for Bo Gritz.  So, you know, one of the new people to our website and the radio broadcast had written, and he said that it looks like, you know, that there’s nothing that we can do, or should do, just let it unfold.  Well, I said, I think that would be saying, okay, nobody says anything and they just steamroller.  They’re steamrolling over us.  But basically part of the conversation was fighting against it.  And I said, maybe it has nothing to do with fighting against something.  Maybe it is taking a stand for something, Alan.

Alan: Well, what I’m doing is telling them.  I mean, the people will choose where they want to go, and they are, even if they want to be willingly blind.  But they’re choosing where they want to go.  And all I’m doing is telling them, and I have no doubt that many of them will like this World Socialism, which is only a transitory phase to the next type of human, which has been widely discussed in all the scientific papers and meetings.

Jackie: The Soviet Man.

Alan: The Soviet man, the real Soviet, the real genetically made one.

Jackie: Yes, the Soviet Man.

Alan: And if they don’t want to hold on to this thing called individual sentience as an intelligent being.  An individual sentience, a unique creature.  If they want to give that up, then for them, so be it.  But personally, I won’t, for me.

Jackie: But did you hear what I said though?  Basically what he was talking about is somehow we have to have a plan to stop this.  Do you see what I’m saying, Alan?  I don’t see it being stopped.  I see it being derailed.  I think it’s been derailed down throughout the ages.

Alan: You can certainly slow this thing down and try to get a breathing space, while people catch up and really understand where they’re going.  Where they’ve been going.  And if they want to consent to it, as I say, you give your power to the Beast and on you go.  But no one can ever say at the end of their life, if they were asked, did you know what was happening?  Yeah.  Did you do anything about it?  No.  That’s it.  That’s the bottom line.  What did you do with your life?  That’s it.  No one can say I didn’t know.  And then ask some Creator, now let me go on from here.  Why would you give anybody, anybody, that kind of gift and say there’s nothing here for anyone else?  Boy, that’s a human thing, isn’t it?  “I deserve it.”

Jackie: No, it isn’t.  It’s Christian.

Alan: Whatever, whatever.  And the New Age too are just the same.

Jackie: And I’m saying Christian in the sense that Christianity is today.  It has nothing to do with the teachings of one that we have known as Jesus.

Alan: It never does.  It’s dogma that comes after it that totally alters everything, and you end up with different classes of Christians.  It’s so sad.  You know.  And divided and...

Jackie: Well, and besides that, what I’ve noticed so much is that there’s so much self righteousness.

Alan: There always is.

Jackie: And judgmentalness.

Alan: All religions have that.

Jackie: They seem to know who’s going to hell and who isn’t.

Alan: All religions have that.  All religions, you know.  I mean, I’ve heard the top people of different religious sects bombasting everybody else.  And yet, they themselves are supposed to be, some of them think they’re godlike.

Jackie: Well, it’s every religion.  I know what you mean, yeah.

Alan: But that’s the pettiness of humanity.

Jackie: I had a friend at one time, we used to have conversations.  He was, a, I would say, call it hellfire-and-brimstone Christian.  He had even eyes that remind me of what "Saint Paul" would have looked like.  Like, you know what I’m saying.  Fire and just looking down on everybody.  And he looked at me one time, because, you know, we had conversations.  And he looked at me one time, and he says, isn’t it a shame honey that so many good people are going to go to hell.  And I said, who, Bobby, like me?  Because I don’t "believe" the way you believe.  But it was said with such pride.  And I said, you know what.  He also told me that because he was a divorcee and he had a daughter, that God was no longer in that home.  And I said, I don’t understand what you mean.  He says, the man is the godhood.  You know, that was by Paul, that said that.  The man is the godhood of the home.  I said, are you telling me you actually believe that because you’re not there that our heavenly father is not there?  And I said, Bobby, if you really believe it, and I know you love your wife, I mean, loved her, and she is the mother of your daughter, and I know you love your daughter.  He was saying it with this boastful, chest out, I’m going to heaven, they’re going to hell.

Alan: Well you know, Socrates said it thousands of years ago, when he was talking about the different sects they had in Greece at the time.  He said, not content, he says, with making laws all about nature, meaning, how nature worked, he says, now they’re making laws about the afterlife and the world to come and the conditions to get there.  Nothing has changed.  Petty people always go the same way.

Jackie: Wow.  Well, you know what, Alan?

Alan: I’ve got to go.

Jackie: Oh, do you?  Oh, no.  Alan, it’s not even ten till yet.

Alan: Yeah, but I think it might have been between ten to and five to.

Jackie: It is not.

Alan: No, but what I mean, when the call will come here.

Jackie: Oh, I see.  Well, if they get a busy signal, they’ll call you back, won’t they?

Alan: Well, I don’t know.

Jackie: Oh, man.

Alan: But you could explain that, because there’s so much on that site.  They’re getting all of it free.

Jackie: Yeah, well, I’ve got something that I was going to bring up anyway, and I’m going to bring it up.  I mean, I made a couple notes while we were talking, and I will, of course, mention the site.  But about how they use entertainment to get things in our head.

Alan: Yeah, predictive programming.

Jackie: And what’s happening right now, with the immigration thing.  Well, they’ve had a movie about it, already, The Second American Civil War.  Alan, thank you.  Now, whoa, where are you going to be?

Alan: I think it’s called kevinsmith.com.

Jackie: It’s only on the internet.  Okay, kevinsmith.com.  And you’re going to be on at 10pm?

Alan: Till 12.

Jackie: Oh, 10 to 12.  Okay, alright, Alan.

Alan: Okey-doke.

Jackie: Thanks for being here tonight.

Alan: Yeah, it’s a pleasure.

Jackie: Okay, you hang up, and see what happens.

Alan: Okay.

Jackie: Okay, bye.

Alan: Bye now.

Jackie: Okay folks, I guess we’re okay.  I wasn’t sure I was going to get a dial tone or not.  Let me give you Alan’s website, for those of you who aren’t aware of it.  I can’t imagine any of you aren’t.  It’s Cutting Through the Matrix, cuttingthroughthematrix.com.  And you might want to take a look.  In the books, the three books that he’s written, Cutting Through, Cutting Through is what it is.  He calls it the Matrix, I called it B.S., because it is.  But you can actually read excerpts of his books.  Any way that you can help and see by getting the books, you’re actually helping yourself too.  It’s exactly what you’re doing.

What I wanted to mention.  When he was talking about how they use entertainment, I had mentioned this to Alan before.  I don’t know if I’ve mentioned it on the air or not.  There was a movie put out, and I’m relating this to what’s happening today with the immigration thing, the, oh, my God, the insanity.  The Latinos, the Mexicans, even Mexican citizens, I mean, American citizen Mexicans, they’re having a big rally, they claim that they’re taking over America.  America is a white and aging America.  They’re not having babies.  And that they’re taking over America.  Now, I want to remind you that a few years ago, probably about four years ago, maybe five, USA Today.  I have the newspaper here, a big headline, and it said, right on the front page, if you can’t speak Spanish, you may be left behind.  Okay?  What is happening today, just know this folks, it is so planned.  It has been so planned for so long, and I know that Alan and I talked about this.  When you think about the American Civil War, and it was a war of Northern aggression.  It had nothing to do with slavery, and that is true.  But what they did is they wound up with a standing army.  A standing army for the first time in this country.  And remember, excuse me.  Oh, my God.  We’re out of time.  Well, grandfather is running slow.  I’m going to have to fix him.  We’ll be back with you next Wednesday night, folks.  And it will be 10pm very shortly Eastern Time.  And if you want to hear Alan, kevinsmith.com.  And I’ll be back with you, as I said, probably with Alan, next Wednesday night.  Okay, so I talked myself right through what I wanted to talk to you about, but, it’s alright I guess.  We’ll see you next Wednesday night, folks.

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August 30th, 2006
Alan Watt on
"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru

 

Jackie Patru: Good Evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Wednesday, of course, as it is whenever I am here filling in for Darren Weeks, who’s the actual host of the Sweet Liberty broadcast now. And today is the 30th of August, in the year 2005 (actually 2006). I’m walking around looking for a pencil. Excuse me if I seem a little distracted. Okay, I have my pen. And I want to say thank you again for joining us tonight. I’ll start with our spiritual message here. And then we’ll bring up our guest, Alan Watt, who’s with us this evening, once again. This is from a Course in Miracles from the text on pg. 168. “Nothing beyond yourself can make you fearful or loving, because nothing is beyond you. Nothing beyond yourself can make you fearful or loving, because nothing is beyond you.” And Alan Watt, thank you for being with us this evening.

 

Alan Watt: It’s a pleasure, yeah.

 

Jackie: Yes.

 

Alan: Yeah, you just gave me a picture of myself in the mirror in the morning.

 

Jackie: (Laughter) And that makes you fearful?

 

Alan: Oh, it’s what I see. I forget it’s me until I see. Who is that? Yeah.

 

Jackie: Have you ever gone up to a mirror and got real close and looked into your eyes.

 

Alan: I don’t think so.

 

Jackie: I did it one time. And I don’t know what made me do it, but I was there standing at the sink, and I leaned on the sink, and I got real, real close, and I was looking into my eyes, and Alan, it was a very weird feeling. And I said, who are you that I’m looking at. Who are you? Try it sometime.

 

Alan: It’s similar if you’re praying. If you look at a mirror, you’ll notice that you’re talking to yourself.

 

Jackie: Ah.

 

Alan: (Chuckle)

 

Jackie: Well, you know what? That’s not so far fetched, is it?

 

Alan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, everybody who does it is actually doing that too.

 

Jackie: Everybody who prays.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: Yes. That’s what I said. That isn’t so farfetched.

 

Alan: That’s right.

 

Jackie: Given that we, the Kingdom of Heaven is within us. The Kingdom of God is within us. We are one with our Creator. And that makes sense, what you just said.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: Is that how you meant it.

 

Alan: Yeah, I always give two or three meanings in a sentence.

 

Jackie: Well, give, okay, give us all three meanings, would you please.

 

Alan: Oh, no.

 

Jackie: Why, Alan? Why would you say that?

 

Alan: I’ll keep that for another show.

 

Jackie: No, no. No, no. Why would you?

 

Alan: Well, if the kingdom is in you, so is the Kingdom of Hell, you know.

 

Jackie: Well, what is Hell?

 

Alan: And that’s, in other words, it’s a decision what kind of life you’re going to make it for other people.

 

Jackie: Sure.

 

Alan: And people never, ever look at that point of it. They have the ability to create Heaven or Hell, right here. You know. And generally even the ones that think they’re creating a heaven, because of the mass man of today, they’re creating an actual hell.

 

Jackie: Well, yes. In other words, the more attached we become to the physical and the material world, the more hellish it becomes, because the further we are in consciousness from our Creator.

 

Alan: Yeah. It’s also an inevitability in this system, that we’ve chosen, that’s been chosen for us, that we go along with a path, it can only lead to where it’s going. It can’t go anywhere else. Because, I mean, before the Industrial Revolution, even though people were mainly serfs and conquered, etc, there was still the remnants of tribal life, at least for the people. They had histories, oral traditions. They had community. They didn’t have technology. With technology or the Industrial Revolution came the era of mass man, the mass man. They stopped talking about individuals and talked about the masses. And today we’re on that path of being part of the masses, where bureaucracies are running our whole lives for us. And it’s getting worse.

 

Jackie: When you talk about that, the people, then, before the pre-industrial, there were the elite, there were the filthy rich.

 

Alan: Oh, yeah.

 

Jackie: And the more well off. And then there were the people who were not just surviving, but living. I think about, what I pictured in my mind when you said that, are people, as you said, who lived maybe in small villages, and they had their ups and downs. They weren’t wealthy. They didn’t have, you know, huge homes and all of that. But they had each other and they had family. It meant something to them.

 

Alan: Yeah. And they did have a rich culture, you know. A rich culture with all its traditions, its folklore, its histories. It was all oral tradition, and it was all passed on. Today we are part of the mass market, you might say. And we’re looked upon by the managers as being the masses. So, we’re not individuals any more. They don’t care about little you or little me with our dreams and hopes and aspirations. We’re just so-and-so who got As or A-plusses all through their school. It’s what they can do with you. How much they can tax from you. How they can use you. And hopefully you’ll die off before you can collect your pension. That’s how they see you. And they format it like that too; as coldly as that. You’re not a person anymore. You’re a psychological creature with instincts and drives, etc, etc, etc.

 

Jackie: For our listeners who may be new to the broadcast, and haven’t heard this or read it, on our website at sweetliberty.org in the children’s section, there’s an article that says, it’s titled “Are Your Children Human Capital? To confirm to the nth degree what you just said, what we are to them. And Human Capital is extremely valuable to them. The woman who wrote the article, Cindy Weatherly, was looking up the word assessment, you know, for assessment tests, and she couldn’t find any, any definition in all of her educational material, so she went to the dictionary, and assessment means to assess somebody for their future value.

 

Alan: That’s right. In fact, that all came out with Karl Marx and the gang around him. It wasn’t just Karl Marx. He was a front man for a coterie, for a whole bunch of people. And they talked about every man will get rewarded according to his means. So, in other words, even then they categorized you as to your class. Communism was actually a class, very class conscious. In fact, it was a scientific definition you might say for the first time of creating a new type of class structure, different from the old class structure, and codifying it into law with intelligentsia and scientific and all the workers beneath them. And, so you were to get rewarded according to your means. In other words, if you belonged to a certain class, they would decide how much you should get paid, how much you would need, you see.

 

Jackie: How much you would need.

 

Alan: Uh, huh. According to their assessment.

 

Jackie: But you would be paid according to your class, according to, right, their assessment of your needs. So, in other words, if somebody else was in a position similar to yours, but they were in a higher class, their pay would have been higher.

 

Alan: Yes.

 

Jackie: Uh, huh.

 

Alan: And when you really see that Communism was given by the same banking boys that already controlled the capitalism, they were actually making it a more efficient system for themselves by making this a true system under a science, a supposed science, where they could officially stamp you in a class structure. That’s what it was, yeah. So, you’d have to go so far back before money even came across the seas, etc, and throughout Europe, to get a true idea of what real life was, because we don’t know what it was anymore. We don’t know how people lived naturally at one time. We just don’t know any more. We know some things before the Normans came through. The Normans brought the moneyed system and the religious system that backed it. They brought it into Europe, and usury and all the rest of it, the debt system. And even though they brought it in, in the 11th century, into Britain, it had already been known for thousands of years.

 

Jackie: What did they have before that, Alan?

 

Alan: Well, the people generally bartered.

 

Jackie: Okay.

 

Alan: And the tribes themselves, they grew their own stuff, and they had their own cattle, etc. So, that was a real communism. That was communal living.

 

Jackie: True, true communal living.

 

Alan: It wasn’t Marxist, it wasn’t Leninist, or any of these -ists that came along eventually. It was survival for the whole tribe. And no one went hungry. And they didn’t, like the Eskimos, they didn’t put the elderly out on an ice float to die, you know.

 

Jackie: Oh, they didn’t put you out on an ice float to die.

 

Alan: Yeah. But everybody, because the older people were respected for their wisdom. Today in this valued system, this scientifically created valued system, when your production ends, you become just a consumer. And I’ve talked about before the United Nations has already classified a good citizen of the world to be a producer-consumer. So, when you just become a consumer, you don’t, you’re a second-class citizen. You’re ready for the scrap heap.

 

Jackie: Yes, we have talked about this before. And I want to mention this to our listeners, who’ve heard this. You have mentioned this before, that it seems to be, generally, that a person, many person have to hear something six, seven, eight times before it suddenly gels with them.

 

Alan: Eight times. They’ve done studies, yeah.

 

Jackie: Eight times.

 

Alan: That’s taught in mass marketing, apparently now, in university. They know all of this stuff. So, that’s just the truth of it. As we race along in this agenda, and it is a plan. It’s not just evolving haphazardly. It’s always laid out in advance. They know where they’re taking us, and they’ve given us enough authors to verify it, from their own group, that is. They said they would take us to a time when the changes would be so quick, scientific changes and so on, which also create cultural changes, that the people themselves will say, “Stop. We’ve had enough. We can’t keep up with the changes.”

 

Jackie: Really?

 

Alan: Yeah. H.G. Wells wrote about it.

 

Jackie: What’s going to happen when they say, stop, we can’t keep up with the changes?

 

Alan: Well, then he went off on his own little spin.

 

Jackie: Yeah, what is the plan?

 

Alan: Yeah, well, his little spin that they would go off to the stars, basically, the crème-de-la crème, and you’d have to go into his non-fiction books of H.G. Wells, his non-fiction books to realize that they would simply do away with the ones who were useless. And, if you go into Hinduism, which is what’s taught today, and has been for donkey’s years, under the term, the New Age, which was a Masonic creation, but it’s basic Hinduism, when you go from one age to the next age, it’s interesting to note that those who are unable to make the leap, must not be allowed through.

 

Jackie: Through what?

 

Alan: Through life, into the next age. Yeah.

 

Jackie: You mean if there’s any, any individual that speaks out and doesn’t, and isn’t.

 

Alan: Conforming.

 

Jackie: Okay, conforming. Okay. And not predictable.

 

Alan: That’s basic Theosophy, which is Hinduism. And that’s what, again, is taught in the meditation classes at the United Nations, at the mediation room, that Rockefeller goes to.

 

Jackie: What. This is taught?

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: Would you. Okay. You say that it’s taught. Are they actually saying this in words or is it in code that they’re saying it, Alan?

 

Alan: I would say to you, I would say to you the way they say it.

 

Jackie: Okay, do.

 

Alan: Life is like waves. Generations are like waves. And as they go towards the new, or the center, as you might say, from the outside back to the center, then eventually those that were the old waves fail to reach it, and to be new, they cannot be allowed across. That’s the sort of way they would couch it. I’m actually being a bit more forward than they would. But their higher initiates eventually get the message. Because, see, Hinduism itself is based on evolution. That’s where Darwin’s theory came from. He was preaching the Masonic doctrine, which had always been taught in the Mystery Schools, of evolution.

 

Jackie: Are you saying evolution of the hu-man? Or all the stuff?

 

Alan: All the stuff about the slime to the water creature to the land, its pure Hinduism.

 

Jackie: Gotcha.

 

Alan: Yeah, pure Hinduism.

 

Jackie: Because, there is a form of evolution, evidently or something Alan, when you look at the change, let’s say the animals, let’s say way back when the horses were really tiny little things, and today the horses are big. I know there’s those little midget horses or whatever, but you know the mountain lions were probably four times as big as the ones today.

 

Alan: Yeah. But they’re different species. You see, there were many, many species of creatures, including horses, all different sizes. It isn’t that the small ones got big. It’s that the small ones died off.

 

Jackie: Okay, in other words, in the history that is given us, they, I don’t recall them ever showing bones or telling about horses that were really tiny and horses that were the same size today. What I recall is them using like a graph and showing.

 

Alan: And that’s the big lie of evolution. They have nothing to back it with, to be honest. And even Darwin was challenged on that.

 

Jackie: So, in other words, that was lies by omission. They never showed that there were different species of horses.

 

Alan: It’s only fairly recently that they’ve started to admit, well, there was different kinds. There was ape-men, etc. They said there was different types of humans and apes and chimpanzees and monkeys all living at the same time, and the other species died off. That’s what they’re now teaching over the last, oh, quite a few years.

 

Jackie: Do you, let me ask you this, here, at least your thoughts on it, where they talk about the missing link.

 

Alan: Oh, yeah.

 

Jackie: Okay, now, they’re not, this missing link isn’t between ape and man, but it’s between a form of mankind and another that was more erect and had voice and etc, and that they were living here at the same time. Is that true?

 

Alan: Yeah. That’s what they’re starting to admit now, because, the more they uncover, they’re finding the skeletons that are just the same as ours, at the same time period as they had the ones that they were claiming. And remember most of the stuff they told us before with Piltdown Man, etc, that was taught as law in schools was all a fraud. It’s all exposed now. They used a pig’s jaw and stuck it on a gorilla’s head. And that was taught as fact. And people got degrees based on thesis, etc, on that nonsense. So, they’ve been liars from the beginning, because there’s a Masonic doctrine behind this, which they must stick to.

 

Jackie: You know the question then that just blasts into my mind. Where did all these different species come from, Alan?

 

Alan: Yeah, well that’s not so much, where did they come from, where’s it going?

 

Jackie: No, to me, it’s where did it come from. If there were several species of man, and there are different colors of man, different nationalities if you would of man, where did they all come from? You know, that’s never been explained to me, not in anything I’ve ever read.

 

Alan: No, because they can’t.

 

Jackie: Well, what is your, what are your?

 

Alan: Well, at least they won’t.

 

Jackie: Well, what are your thoughts on it, Alan?

 

Alan: That’s hours and hours and hours of stuff. You often ask me a question and I can’t give you a drive through answer.

 

Jackie: A drive through answer.

 

Alan: Yeah. It would take so much.

 

Jackie: Do you know how many times I’ve asked this question to you on air?

 

Alan: I know, but to give a proper answer, you’d have to give a whole talk on, more than one talk, in fact, a lot of talks. And that’s what I’m going to do on the next series of discs I put out, because it’s too much to just.

 

Jackie: But nobody’s there to question you.

 

Alan: It doesn’t matter. The thing is, you’re asking a question which I would be failing people if I gave them a drive through answer. You have to educate people up to a state before they can understand what you’re about to say, on certain things.

 

Jackie: Alan, you’re talking to a listening audience, many of them that have been listening to you for eight years, minus two.

 

Alan: Yeah, but you’re asking a question, Jackie, that I’d have to go into whole different areas, of archeology, anatomy, a whole bunch of things, and what’s been discovered, the debates they’ve had over the last three centuries and so on, and so on, and so on. It’s not a snappy answer, because, if I did, I might mislead people. I mean, that’s a profound question, where did we come from?

 

Jackie: Well, you do recall me asking this, don’t you?

 

Alan: I know, but the thing is, it’s too snappy an answer to do justice to the people.

 

Jackie: I know, but this isn’t a new question in my mind.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: And it isn’t a new question I posed.

 

Alan: But the main thing is, what we are doing is looking at where we are going, because we know where we’re going.

 

Jackie: Maybe if we knew where the hell we came from, we’d understand better where we’re going?

 

Alan: Um. Whatever.

 

Jackie: Okay.

 

Alan: Whatever. But, the fact is, as I say, in the religion, under many different guises, you can go back to India, you’ll find that they talk about ages, just time spans, so that people could understand what time spans they’re talking about. They call them ages. So, they sort them into categories of time. And they talk about the stages of man and the types of man that they go through. Now, we also find that in the Greeks, who talk about the different ages of man and stages of man, right up through the Iron Man, and so on, Bronze, Gold, Iron, etc. These are whole religions that you have to take separately at a time. But they all have that in common. They talk about ages.

 

Jackie: Okay, you know, no, I guess I didn’t. I was thinking that, for example, they say, we’re moving into the Age of Aquarius, that in that astrological, in order to, that each astrological sign in 20 some hundred years, and so, it takes thirty.

 

Alan: That’s one. You see, that’s one version, and Plato also gave it that same definition or time period, of about twenty-five and a half thousand years. And sometimes they’ll call the Platonic year, after Plato. And other times they’ll call it the Grand Circle of the Zodiac. As opposed to the annual one.

 

Jackie: Okay. And that isn’t what they refer to though when they’re talking about ages?

 

Alan: It’s much more. On one level it is. It’s to do with the types of society, or the changes society would go through in every age, where a particular constellation dominates for a period of about two thousand odd years, you see. And that’s why Jesus was the sign of the Fish.

 

Jackie: Right, Pisces.

 

Alan: And he was the fisherman of men. And then we go into the Age of Aquarius, and Aquarius is a new type of, even though it’s a water sign, which is female, it’s a male. And the reason for it, being, a new type of man is to be created for Aquarius. And when there’s no conflict between male and female, then, they’ll have completely won the battle of all conflicts.

 

Jackie: And you’re talking about their desire to create a race of hermaphrodites.

 

Alan: That’s right. For slaves, that is. Not for themselves. Because Charles Galton Darwin and others have mentioned that the elite themselves wouldn’t change themselves. But they would change the…

 

Jackie: Oh, they’d remain male and female genders.

 

Alan: Pardon?

 

Jackie: Well, like in their class, their elite class, they would still have males and females, not hermaphrodites.

 

Alan: Yeah, because it’s not just a hermaphrodite. It will be, you know, like a couple of guys holding hands. Or whatever they are. It’s to be a specially, you’ll be bred specifically, like Brave New World, like Huxley’s Brave New World, you will be bred for the task they have designed you for.

 

Jackie: Decanted.

 

Alan: That’s right. You’ll be brought into the world, with that task, and just like an ant or a bee is programmed, it’s in its genes, then you would be programmed for the task that you do. And you wouldn’t be born unless they had a task for you to fulfill. This is the age of statistics we’re living in, where everything is numbered, counted, weighed, balanced, function, etc. This is where it’s going.

 

Jackie: If, they’re successful. You know what I was just thinking. Their dream is our nightmare.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: But as you’ve said, many times before, they’ve gotten very.

 

(Noise interference)

 

Jackie: Hello?

 

Alan: Hello?

 

Jackie: Yeah.

 

Alan: Yeah. What’s happening?

 

Jackie: I haven’t the foggiest idea. I haven’t moved.

 

Alan: I heard beeps and things.

 

Jackie: Oh, I heard a funny buzz. What I was going to say is that you have said many times before, they’ve been very, very close, and as we see, they’ve never been successful. If they were, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

 

Alan: That’s right.

 

Jackie: And so, therefore, what they dream about, that would be a nightmare for us, is illusion for them. It’s their own illusion.

 

Alan: I wouldn’t say so. I wouldn’t say because it hasn’t been successful in the past that it could not be in the future. That truly is up to a different thing altogether.

 

Jackie: Why? Hell, this is going on for millennia, you said.

 

Alan: It doesn’t matter. That’s why, and people have asked me this, why on earth does it take to go from one phase to the next? I mean, look how long it took them to adjust society from, say an agricultural status, before the Industrial Revolution, even longer in the US, they already had industrialized the main cities in Europe, but literally, within a matter of ten years, they’d emptied all the people from the country into the cities to work in their industrial age. And eventually they bring in a form of Socialism. Socialism again is the statistics the weighing, the functions, the book keeping, everybody is tabbed an monitored etc, for a function, a purpose, as part of the mass. And they’ve been so meticulous and careful, even dishing out the technology they dish out. Everything they give to us is obsolete. The latest, whatever they give us is absolutely obsolete. Do you remember the old comedies, called Get Smart?

 

Jackie: Well, yes. I saw it a couple of times.

 

Alan: Well, back then, I think they did them in the 60s, but they gave us the reruns in Britain in the 70s. You saw the iris scan in a comedy show. They showed you the palmprint, as you’d get through a door in comedy shows. They showed you watches with the TV. They showed you the cell phones, the spies had in a comedy show. They showed you solid-state circuitry, before we’d even heard the term in comedy shows. Whatever they give us is actually obsolete. And it’s not for our benefit; it’s for their system to make it more, more secure for themselves. They couldn’t even do this without the computer. They couldn’t get to where they want to go to, without the computer.

 

Jackie: How do you know they didn’t’ have computers?

 

Alan: I didn’t say they didn’t.

 

Jackie: Oh, okay. Well, they didn’t make it before.

 

Alan: They gave us the computer to make it easier for them.

 

Jackie: Say again.

 

Alan: They gave us the computer to make it easier for them.

 

Jackie: Okay. But, what I’m saying is in ancient times, the civilizations, at least we’ve read or been told, that there were very highly advanced civilizations. And you talk about Sumer. Of course, then they had tablets they were writing on, I guess, but maybe before Sumer, Alan, maybe in Atlantis, that there were civilizations that had the technology.

 

Alan: It’s possibly, but they certainly had computers for a long, long time. Yeah. And not the huge bulky things they show us in the old movies.

 

Jackie: Oh really, the ones with the just little boards.

 

Alan: And the little tapes and all that in the walls. And you know the first one for the United States military was called CAIN. Cain?

 

Jackie: Really?

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: And what does that signify?

 

Alan: The priest. The priesthood.

 

Jackie: The priesthood. Oh, shoot. Okay, look. We’re going to take about a three-minute break. And we’ll pick it up here. CAIN, that computer, the priesthood. Okay. Because CAIN is in the Old Testament is allegedly a person. Okay, we’ll be right back, folks, with Alan Watt, stay with us.

 

(Commercial Break)

 

Jackie: Okay, we’re back. Alan.

 

Alan: Yes.

 

Jackie: Okay. You mentioned that the first military computer was called CAIN, Cain. And when I asked you, what does that mean to them, you said, it’s the priest, the priesthood.

 

Alan: Yeah, I think they gave it the term through Computer Assisted Intelligence.

 

Jackie: Oh, sure, but.

 

Alan: But yeah.

 

Jackie: It was their own little cute little code.

 

Alan: And that relates to the priesthood.

 

Alan: Well, Cain, again, this allegory of Cain was the one that was born, supposedly, being born of wisdom, intelligence, as opposed to the profane people around. That’s what it means, because the whole Masonic structure, you might say it’s a form of intellectual racism. It’s an elitist structure. And they have plenty of dodos at the bottom themselves, and even Albert Pike said that. The low Masons are no different than the profane themselves. They just use them.

 

Jackie: He called it the outer portico, didn’t he?

 

Alan: That’s right.

 

Jackie: And they’re, it’s intended that they will believe that they know what’s happening, or that they’re given the truth.

 

Alan: Yeah. And yet, the ones up at the 32nd degree, and it’s no big deal getting up to the 32nd degree. Not these days. They just pay their way up, and then they all talk about the profane, the profane, the profane, as though they knew it all. But they know very little, really. Because that’s’ not the high levels either. That’s just the bottom.

 

Jackie: Do 32nd degree Masons look down on others in their own minds?

 

Alan: Yeah, some of them have told me that. Because they actually do sit and sort of boast about how smart they all are, compared to the rest of them.

 

Jackie: Smart or knowledgeable?

 

Alan: Mm, hmm.

 

Jackie: Do they say smart or knowledgeable?

 

Alan: Knowledgeable. Perfected, you know. Because, it’s called the Rite of Perfection, remember. They believe they’ve been perfected, because they’ve learned virtue, yeah.

 

Jackie: They learned virtue. What are they taught about virtue, Alan?

 

Alan: Well, according to them, you see, this is the old nobility terminology, and if you ever want to have a good definition of it, you should see the movie called Rob Roy.

 

Jackie: Rob Roy.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: I’ve got that on tape, and I’ve never watched it.

 

Alan: Okay, because, Rob Roy, you find when Rob Roy Macgregor goes to see the Lord of the land. The Lord makes a little quip at him. He says, my goodness, Roy, you’d almost think you were, meaning part of the nobility, like royal blood. But he said, oh, of course, that’s impossible. In other words, the defining line was so obvious in those days to them. You were either a member of the commoners or you were a member of the noble blood. So you were either profane or elite, you see, and wise. And of course, only the nobility, they claimed, could have virtue, you see.

 

Jackie: But what is their definition of virtue? Because I’m thinking of a particular 32nd degree Mason that I knew. Well, I’m going to tell you something, there was no virtue in this individual.

 

Alan: Yeah, well.

 

Jackie: So, what is, what are they given as the definition of virtue.

 

Alan: It is what they call the noble qualities of honor, you might say. Honor and so on. If you look up the virtues, what the virtues are, there are categories of them. And trust worthiness, honor, you honor your word. You don’t give it loosely. You follow up what you promise. You also honor your oaths, that’s a big thing.

 

Jackie: And the oaths to a Masonic.

 

Alan: Uh, huh. So, all of that is to do with their virtue. So, they pay their money, they get drunk an awful lot, and they’re told to repeat after me for their degrees and then they forget it all, because they can’t remember what they went through in the first place, it goes so fast. So, suddenly they’ve become enlightened, and suddenly they’re very virtuous.

 

Jackie: Uh, huh.

 

Alan: But that’s the low end of the, because above that you have the Noble Orders you see.

 

Jackie: When, you remember, well, maybe you don’t, I do, the first phone call that we ever had together?

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: You had called me after a broadcast one evening. And I asked you, because, you know, you started talking, and oh, my God, I found myself pressing the phone up against my ear until it was almost going through my head. And suddenly, I said, excuse me, why are we having this conversation? And when you didn’t answer, I said, well, why did you call me? And when you said, well, I’ve been listening, I see, that, you know, that you’ve almost got it, you said, but not quite. And when I asked you what not quite was, you said, oh, I couldn’t tell you. It’s too awful. And when I got like, a little indignant and said, wait a minute, if you’ve been listening to me, the truth, no matter how awful it is, I want it. And what you said to me, is you said, well, I’ll just give you a clue, it’s all about the blood. And you didn’t go any further. And I don’t think I ever asked you actually to explain. And the two things in my mind, what you were alluding to were the bloodlines and the blood sacrifices.

 

Alan: That’s right. Bloodlines, blood sacrifices, a religion based on that. You always find that they have a blood sacrifice before the major wars, or before they want a special event, or even as a token, before they go the next step for a war. Whether it’s bringing down towers with people in it, or whatever else. There’s always a sacrifice required.

 

Jackie: Like Pearl Harbor?

 

Alan: Yeah, always, uh-huh.

 

Jackie: Well, then the war itself is an ongoing sacrifice of blood.

 

Alan: The blood that was spilt in wars, I mean literally you’re talking about billions of gallons over the 20th century. Incredible, incredible you know. And yet they keep telling us that there’s going to be peace. It’s interesting that they wrote in the old plan, the old plan called Revelations, that by peace he would destroy many. You see? By peace, he would destroy many. And we’re seeing it today, under the auspices. We’re heading towards peace with a New World Order, as they slaughter more and more people. You know.

 

Jackie: I told you that Brian Merchant, the man that I heard later, was the head of the National Security Council. When I asked, he said that the President has the war-making powers; he’s the Commander in Chief. And I said, no, only if he’s called into the service of the US, and that would be an act of Congress. And only Congress can declare war. And Brian Merchant said to me, however, under international law, peacekeeping is not defined as war. Right? That’s it.

 

Alan: Yeah. That’s right. And that was what George Orwell talked about, the use of terminology to completely alter your perception of an event. And so we call them peacekeepers. Now, it looks like a soldier to me, with his grenades in his belt and his big machine gun, and his boots, and all the rest of his insignia. A soldier is a soldier is a soldier, no matter what other title you want to call him. And our perceptions are altered through propaganda, all the time, from the top. All our countries get the same stuff of how they’re over there to create peace. Now, the Romans invaded most of Europe, brought in the money system, even then with them. Luckily, it died out after they left for a while, until the Normans brought it back, but the Romans came in, made everybody use the money system, then they started taxing it back as labor, you see. This is what this is all just based on, is usury, taxation, and labor.

 

Jackie: And when you talk about the Normans bringing in money, I have to go back to the Old Testament, and the story of Joseph in Egypt, and after the famine came, and the people had given all their grain, to them to store, so they came when the famine came. And he said, okay, you can have it, but you have to buy it. But it said, in that Old Testament, that allegedly was written thousands of years ago, that he said, okay, the people paid for the grain that they had grown, and then they said, Joseph took the money and took it to the pharaoh, and you see that he created a depression, because the money supply dried up. But, they literally said, the next time they came, they said the money failed.

 

Alan: We’ll take your land the next time.

 

Jackie: I know, but they used the word money then. What were they using for money then, Alan?

 

Alan: Well, it wasn’t. You see, that’s an allegorical fable.

 

Jackie: About what’s going on today.

 

Alan: No, it’s meant to conceal a real priesthood that was there for thousands of years before. Because, you see, at one time, all peoples in the Middle East and all peoples, all cultures, in fact, it happened all over Europe, you’d have a granary for the people, because you’d have to get through a winter, especially in Europe, and you had to get through the season, and it was dished out gradually as the winter went on. And the rest was actually given out by the headman, the chief at one point, for your growing, you see. And every person was given a portion, an equal portion to grow. Well, in the Middle East, the priests caught on to the fact that they could give out so much grain at so much percentage on return value. So, we’ll give you so much pounds of seed, or whatever, and you bring us so much corn back or whatever else they were growing. And so, they were all using an interest scheme before they used coin. And that began in the Middle East, that scam. And once they got the coin in, and that was about 800BC, that scam really took off. And then they increased the tithing up to ten percent. So, as they gave you so much seed as well, they asked for the same amount back in actual grain plus ten percent. Then it kept going up. This is the oldest dodge in the book. The oldest.

 

Jackie: But they called it money in the Old Testament.

 

Alan: They also called it different terms, which is, you see, there’s so much allegory that’s only explained to very high Freemasons. Even the term seed doesn’t necessarily mean people or your offspring.

 

Jackie: Say again.

 

Alan: Even the term seed does not necessarily mean your offspring. Even that has double meanings.

 

Jackie: Well, what would the other meaning be, besides offspring.

 

Alan: Okay. They used to give sacrifices to say, Moloch, was one name. Some of the called it Milcum, which in the West they called it Malcolm. And the hands were outstretched, it was a burning fire, it was a brazen fire. You throw much of your yield into that fire. That was putting the seed through the fire, they called it. That was one version of it. And yet, they’ve also dug up the Phoenician version, where they actually did burn babies, and they’ve found urns, where those little charred remains are. So, there’s always at least two or three versions of the same thing in all of these religions. And every religion has the same inner religion or priesthood within it, at all times.

 

Jackie: And somebody told me that that meant that these people that were dancing around the fire that it was actually sperm, their seed.

 

Alan: I don’t know.

 

Jackie: Okay, you never heard that. Okay.

 

Alan: No. But they certainly had, there’s so many allegories buried within religion, because religion was as old as can be, of all kinds. And the con men had to always have understood how to get people to work for them, have used religion to guide and steer, control and profit from the masses. And religion has been the perfect institution up until now. And even now, that’s why Gorbachev said, we’re creating a new religion for the world, based on Earth Worship. But he doesn’t mean bowing down to the Earth. You’ll have a bureaucracy, a new priesthood that will make you live according to the terms that they claim is good for the Earth, you see. Which is X amount of children, if any at all. And no doubt, down the road it will be like Logan’s Run, where the older ones are just killed off.

 

Jackie: Yes. Or like The Giver, in the book, with the children. For our listeners, folks, for those of you who have children, who are in the public government indoctrination centers we once called schools, if you haven’t heard of the book, The Giver, your child will probably read it, and it would be very, very important for you to get the book. You can get it in the bookstores. It was given a prize, a literary prize. It’s a child’s version of Nineteen Eighty-Four, only it’s so ugly that it’s pathetic. And it would be good if you could read that book with your child, to help them through it. Because they, for the most part, they’re getting it in the schools. It’s called The Giver. And there’s one particular segment in that book, in this community, the story revolves around, that no two people could have the same name or be alike. When twins were born, the twin that was the lightest got sent elsewhere. And elsewhere, they described the procedure, fifth graders, this is recommended for fifth grade reading. What are they nine years old in the fifth grade, Alan? Where, in the book, the Caretaker, the Nurturer, in the Nursery, took the baby that was going to be sent elsewhere, and very descriptively in the book, went to the cupboard and got a needle, which the young boy who was watching thought he was going to get “vaccinated”, he stuck the needle in the soft spot of the baby’s head and the baby quivered and went limp, he was dead, and he was thrown down a garbage shoot. I’m sorry to draw us away from that Alan, but that came to my mind. And it’s really important for our listeners who have children to understand that their children are being fed all of this to inure them to, what is another word I’m trying to.

 

Alan: Desensitize.

 

Jackie: Thank you, desensitize them.

 

Alan: And the same with all the movies being brought up, and all the video games, they’ve been brought up with, where you just go, kill, kill, kill to the end of the game, and that’s all it’s about really. So, sure. Our mind, you might say, our culture, our thoughts, are given to us, trained into us, scientifically, as Bertrand Russell talked about. And he should know, since he helped design it. And they’ve done it. They’ve been very, very successful. You can see it today. Maurice Strong, at the last Earth Summit that he had, and he only read the Summit, it was made up by Rockefeller. That’s who wrote it up. Maurice Strong…

 

Jackie: You know for sure that Rockefeller wrote it.

 

Alan: Yeah. And Maurice Strong said, we have to destroy what’s left of the last vestiges of the family unite. That’s the only thing standing in the way of government, which will be then confronting the individual, straight to the individual, nobody in between. Government to individual. You won’t have any friends to stand up for you, your family to stand up or help you. If you notice, that was actually done at the Louisiana when the hurricane came in. They didn’t allow people to go and help their neighbors. Only the government was allowed to do that. So, if your neighbor was on a roof, and they fell in and they were drowning, you weren’t allowed to go in and help them.

 

Jackie: There was a man from Florida, I believe, and he might have been a National Guard. He rescued some people. And they were going to, I don’t know, whatever fine or punishment that he was going to get, because he stepped out of his designated role. He wasn’t there to do that. He was there to keep, you know, the peace, so to speak.

 

Alan: Follow the rules.

 

Jackie: This was in a newspaper article. He was called down for rescuing, saving, the lives of a couple of people.

 

Alan: For being human, he was going to be punished.

 

Jackie: For being human, he was going to be punished.

 

Alan: They don’t want human emotions, because that can work two ways. People can stand up for people if they’re being picked on or persecuted. But when there’s no one to stand by you, especially any family, then it’s government straight to you. That’s what happened in the Soviet system, where they used to come in. And they would call the whole street out, you know, under their laws, when they were going to arrest somebody in an apartment.

 

Jackie: And let people see the arrest.

 

Alan: Let them see it. And then they would. Solzhenitsyn talked about it. He says, we should never have allowed this to begin. He says, when they first came, these two or three men with their pistols and so on, he says, we should have grabbed axes and killed them on the spot. He said, because once it starts, he says, you become used to it so quickly you want to just turn away.

 

Jackie: You’re only glad it wasn’t you.

 

Alan: That’s right.

 

Jackie: That’s what they do.

 

Alan: And that’s, that’s’ when you’re going into a state, and abusive state, of dejection. That’s where you become, you feel worthless, hopeless. It’s meant to make you feel hopeless as well, and to make you completely comply with every ridiculous law that comes along.

 

Jackie: I want to go back to what you said about this man being punished because he was being human. The thought that occurred to me is that this is where the choices come in every single time. You know, we talk about this a lot. The choices that we make. Every choice that we make, every moment of every day, makes all the difference in the world. And somebody who would say, oh, I’d like to save those people, but geez, I’m going to get in trouble. They’re lost, aren’t they Alan? They’re already lost souls.

 

Alan: They’re lost. There’s also the technique, which they wrote about in the 1800s, that they would create, in the time of the mass man, where everyone was dependent on money to survive and a job, especially with government or armies or police forces, you would hear the term, I was just doing my job. How many times has that been said? I was just doing my job.

 

Jackie: Or somebody who stays in a job that they know is.

 

Alan: Wrong.

 

Jackie: Very wrong. And they say, well, I have a family to feed. Many times, the people who stay in that job to “feed their family”, basically what’s behind that is all the toys and whistles.

 

Alan: They think its security, yeah.

 

Jackie: Well, that they want, and they have to have this “high-paying job” or this level of income, in order to live the way they want.

 

Alan: And therefore they can rationalize anything they do.

 

Jackie: Yes. And you know what it does come down to, is that they’re no longer living, they’re just surviving.

 

Alan: Yeah, and that’s what I mean, we talked about once before that people kind of sense, they kind of sense they can give up spirit, you can give it up, you know. Because there are decisions you make all through your life that go on beyond just this. And when you decide to profit at someone else’s expense and towards their dismay and they’re discomfort or their death, even, and use that excuse, oh, I was just doing my job. We’ll you’ve just cut yourself off from everything else from then on. In fact, you don’t even qualify as a human any more. You’re a robot.

 

Jackie: Before we end this broadcast, I want you to tell our listeners about the DVD that you have ready to go now. It has been ready. And there was a…

 

Alan: A glitch.

 

Jackie: Thank you. Yeah, in the formatting. I received my disc, my DVD, and it works beautifully. And my sis and I sat and watched it. Very, very interesting, Alan. Well, once again, and you know, I’m not saying this, just say, oh, well, my sis isn’t aware or anything, but you were in some very, extremely heavy conversation, and I thought, well, maybe she wouldn’t be interested in this. She was totally engrossed in the whole thing. Not that I, because my sis and I, of course, we’ve talked about a lot of things, so she’s not unaware, but she’s never heard the conversations, these types of conversations that you got into, in the DVD, and laid it out, and she found it extremely fascinating and enlightening to coin a phrase.

 

Alan: Okay.

 

Jackie: And, so tell our listeners about it.

 

Alan: Yeah, it’s different from the usual. I don’t go into just all of the details of what’s happening to you today, and what’s going to be done to you tomorrow. I go into a much deeper philosophy, to show you where it’s come from down through the ages, up to the present time. And it’s meant for the thinkers, not the reactionaries. You think before you do any reaction, hopefully. And this goes much deeper, in a sense, into the occult as well, and the religion behind all of this, which is in all religions at the top. And it takes you where they want us to go. So, it’s, and it’s different. It’s not boring. It’s not a boring, it’s broken up with music and stuff, so, it’s, and the music matches the topics, so, enjoy it too.

 

Jackie: Thank you. Okay. How can they get it?

 

Alan: Look into the website, it’s cuttingthroughthematrix.com. And you’ll see it listed there. And these work well, these discs.

 

Jackie: And it’s titled, Reality Check Part 2.

 

Alan: Wisdom, Esoterica, and Time.

 

Jackie: Okay, and the address is there, and how to order it, making sure that it’s an international postal money order etc.

 

Alan: It’s the first in the Esoteric line. And it’s worthwhile watching. This type of thing hasn’t really been done in this type of way before.

 

Jackie: Yeah, and there were some of the, oh, what am I trying to say, not the Masonic symbols but the words that you gave us the meanings of. And I still didn’t understand it. And I’d like to make a note of it and ask you, for me, and maybe any other listener who didn’t quite get that. Because, some of this goes over my head, Alan.

 

Alan: Well, do it off the air, because it will spoil it for the ones who haven’t seen it yet.

 

Jackie: Oh, okay.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: Okay. Well, I’ll have to watch it again and write it down.

 

Alan: Yeah, oh, you’ll get it. Yeah.

 

Jackie: Okay. Well, we are out of our hour. And we’ll be back next Wednesday night, folks. And do be sure to tune in to Sweet Liberty, Monday and Tuesday for Darren Weeks. Darren has an excellent broadcast, steeped in documentation, and his own commentaries. And Darren is the Webmaster extraordinaire of the sweetliberty.org website. We’ll see you later. Thank you.

 

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Jackie Patru: Good Evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight, on Sweet Liberty. Today is Wednesday and it is the 20th of September in the year 2006. I hope you’ve had a nice week since we talked last, folks. Well, actually, I was on with Darren last night. I don’t know how many of you listen to Darren. I urge you to do so. Darren was going to be on, Darren Weeks, was going be with us this evening. He’s discovered, and I wanted to mention this, before we bring Alan up, Alan Watt is with us. Alan, thanks for being here by the way.

 

Alan Watt: Yeah, it’s a pleasure.

 

Jackie: I don’t want to leave you sitting there in the quiet. Darren discovered a theme in Michigan; it’s in the Michigan legislature. In fact, after it was introduced, it had already been passed through Senate committee. This was on a fast track. It is a vaccine folks, and the reason I’m telling you about this, well, I’ll tell you anyway, but when Darren began doing his research, he found that 45 states’ legislatures are already messing with this stuff again. And this is a vaccine that is mandated for sixth grade girls in the government indoctrinational system we once called schools. It is a mandated vaccine for sixth grade girls, those are girls, what ten and eleven years, sixth girls, and it is to prevent cervical cancer. Darren has done a lot of research on it, and he speaks about it Monday. His broadcasts are archived on Sweet Liberty, of course, or originally they’re archived at First Amendment Radio. And, then after a period of time, but if you are not subscribing to First Amendment Radio, you might want to do that, because you get the archives, then the same day, next day, if you don’t hear the broadcast live. He will, he had the guest on Monday. He’s interviewing a woman who’s actually in the legislature. And the insidious thing, what’s happening in Michigan is the legislator, she’s a Senator, who introduced this thing, when Darren called her office about it, the assistant secretary that he spoke with said, oh, she has been spending a lot of time on this. She’s working with a group that’s helping her with it. Well, he found out that the group is called Women in Government. He went to their website, guess who their sponsors are, Women in Government, Merck and GlaxoSmithKline. Those are two pharmaceutical companies, and it just so happens folks that Merck is the only pharmaceutical now that has this vaccine ready. It hasn’t been tested for safety, of course. And when he went to the Merck site and pulled this up, I don’t recall what it is. Darren will be speaking about it again Monday night, and interviewing the woman from the State Legislature. I don’t think she’s a rep or a Senator, but she works there in the Legislature. He found out that this thing has aluminum in it. I don’t know what other ingredients. It is supposedly, again, a vaccine, that would prevent cervical cancer. It’s interesting, I didn’t know this, because I don’t watch the news, and I don’t get mainstream television, but my sis said, for the last two months, they’ve been talking about this on, evidently the news and different programs, that they have discovered that cervical cancer comes from a virus, so now they’re planning on shoving more of these chemicals into young children. I want you to know about it, and I think you ought to check into your state and see. Darren has written an article about it, he’s going to post it at Sweet Liberty, so all the information will be there, and I hope you will look into it, and at least make a call. Make a call to your legislator. Your state legislator doesn’t’ know what’s the ingredients in these stupid things. And call informed, and let them know, at least in Michigan, because maybe this Women in Government group is pushing it through all the states, folks. Maybe that’s how, what Merck is using as the tool to get this into the states. Women in Government, you might want to write that down. Go to their website, because it may be, may be, as I was saying, it may be that they’re pushing it in all the states, five of them now. Alan, here we go again, huh.

 

Alan: Yes. I’m not surprised.

 

Jackie: I’m not surprised either.

 

Alan: And of course, we know from long study that the inoculations that they gave in the past had nothing to do with what they claimed. They were for alternate purposed. And it’s nothing new, it’s been known for around sixty, seventy years that virus, that the human papilloma virus is what the wart, the venereal wart is what starts off as cervical cancer. That’s always been known.

 

Jackie: No, you’re kidding me.

 

Alan: No.

 

Jackie: Is a war a virus?

 

Alan: Yeah, it’s called by a virus, you see. And it’s not the same exactly as you get on your skin elsewhere. But it’s just as contagious, maybe even more so.

 

Jackie: Is it a form of herpes, Alan?

 

Alan: No, no. It’s a virus family, but it’s different. It causes little warts inside, generally the vagina. Women can carry them for many years without knowing. For guys, it’s obviously more obvious. And they’re terribly, terribly hard to get rid of. But it would be quite the thing to claim they’ve got a particular antidote to this, a preventative, because, like all viruses, there’s so many strains and varieties, you know.

 

Jackie: Right.

 

Alan: So, I very much doubt this has to do with what they’re claiming. I don’t trust them at all, in fact, when you go into the history of vaccinations.

 

Jackie: Of course not. And then when he looked into the ingredients, aluminum is present, Alan.

 

Alan: And that causes Alzheimer’s.

 

Jackie: Exactly.

 

Alan: And there would be other. I’ll tell you another thing too. When they tell you something like aluminum, it’s often to sidetrack you for you to focus on that, while there’s another thing that’s much more ominous inside there.

 

Jackie: Even worse.

 

Alan: Yeah. It will attack the hormonal system I have no doubt, because they want to bring down the population drastically. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Jackie: And they’re doing it in all their insidious and evil ways.

 

Alan: And it’s highly Masonic. I mean Merck is Mercury, the messenger. That’s why they called it Merck, you know. And the high Masons love Mercury the messenger.

 

Jackie: Maybe that’s why they use thimerosal.

 

Alan: Yeah, mm, hmm. That’s right, Mercury comes from it. Yeah. And Women in Government is just WIG by the way. Ha, ha, ha. Maybe the stuff makes your hair fall out. I don’t know.

 

Jackie: Is Wig.

 

Alan: Yeah, W-I-G, yeah. But what I was going to say was…

 

Jackie: It’s a cover up.

 

Alan: I know there was one woman, there’s probably a few, but there’s one woman in a video I watched to do with Monsanto’s modified food, and this woman worked for the federal drug administration and so she was in politics, back into the FDA, and then she was into Monsanto, into them, back and forth, five times, from Monsanto back to working for the government. I wonder if it’s the same one. So they have their own agents in the government, you see.

 

Jackie: This state legislator…

 

Alan: Yeah, he’d have to dig up her history, yeah.

 

Jackie: Yeah, well, she was, I don’t think she’s at present, I think she just recently finished as the chairman of the board of Women in Government. And their sponsor being Merck, you would think this is a tremendous.

 

Alan: Conflict. Yeah.

 

Jackie: Conflict of interest. I’ll tell you what Darren did. He went to the newsroom, you know, he’s an engineer at a TV station, he told them about it, and they did a thing on it, and they mentioned that it sounded like a conflict of interest, and once he’s got the ingredients and understands what’s in it, he’s going to ask them to follow up. But then to find out that it is in 45 states. On thing I wanted to say to our listeners, this is a mandated thing, folks. Every single state has an opt-out form, that parents can opt their children out of the vaccines and they can’t be kicked out of school. They will not tell you that. But that is so. And I know in Missouri as a matter of fact, when Nicole was, she actually called Health and Human Services to get a copy of an opt out form, when they were mandating Ashley’s grade, the all had to have the tetanus vaccine, Alan. And when she got up to the school, I guess almost the entire class was being sent home, because they weren’t vaccinated. And she told them that she was going to be signing an opt-out form. She had one coming from Health and Human Services. And the lady said, “Well, honey, we have them right there. And she handed on to Nicole, and that’s all it was. It didn’t have to be any religious, philosophical, just, there’s an opt-out form. The problem is, when they mandate this, most of the parents don’t know they can opt their children out of them.

 

Alan: I know. And even though you can opt out, they’ll still try sort of covert threatening and children’s aid, etc. But you’re up against the whole bureaucracy of NGOs. The Children’s Aid Society by the way is non governmental. I hope people realize that.

 

Jackie: What?

 

Alan: It’s a nongovernmental institution.

 

Jackie: What did you say again?

 

Alan: The Children’s Aid Society.

 

Jackie: Children’s Aid Society? I’ve never heard of that.

 

Alan: Well, Children’s Aid is the same thing as the Child, what do you call it in the States?

 

Jackie: Children’s Family Service?

 

Alan: Yeah. Because these actually started up as NGOs, non-governmental organizations and simply got funding eventually from government, but they’re still classified as basically private institutions. So, they often threaten the parents with these different services if they refuse to go along with their particular.

 

Jackie: In the States here Alan, Family, they have different names for them, but it’s the Department of Family. They have different names for them. But it’s an agency. There are bureaucrats that work in them. It is an agency that has been created by the State Legislature. And they create these agencies. And it’s of course such broad language, and there is so much leeway given, so much latitude given that there’s almost no stopping. I mentioned this I believe last night, because Darren Weeks asked me to come on with him. Here in Pennsylvania I was talking to a Secretary of one of our state reps, and she said whenever somebody has called the office to ask for help, for Children’s Family Services, I’m not sure what they call them here, are harassing them and threatening them, he’d call to try to help a constituent, here’s what he was told: You created us. You gave us this power. And there’s nothing you can do about it. So not even the state legislature who created the monster, not even they can interfere.

 

Alan: Well, we are living under tyranny. There’s no doubt about it. And it’s interesting that Carl Jung, back in the 1950s, who really was way superior to any Freud they put out there, his worst vision of the future that he was sure was coming by the science that he saw then wasn’t just an iron curtain across a country, like Germany or whatever. He saw an iron wall around the whole planet of bureaucracy that would stifle all free thought and existence. And he was quite right. That’s what we’re coming into now.

 

Jackie: Karl Marx, now, I don’t know if this true, just because I read it, but I read that Karl Marx didn’t write all of his writings, he was just a front person.

 

Alan: He was a front. Engels supplied a lot of the writing too.

 

Jackie: Okay, and so, he saw this. No, he didn’t see this. It was in the plan, yes?

 

Alan: Well, it was Lenin who wrote about it himself. Lenin said that the time would come in the West, towards the Millennium. He was talking about 2000, and he wrote this back in the early 1900s, he said, a time would come in the West, where Bureaucracies would be so all-pervasive and so numerous that they’d be overstepping each other’s boundaries, causing confusion as they battled for power between themselves. And he said, this is a stage that the world must go through. He knew the whole agenda. So, we have to go through this stage of apparent confusion over regulation, until even the bureaucrats are stepping over each other, different departments, and then they come out with the new system, the new society, yeah. Yeah. Everything is planned, even the crisis, yeah.

 

Jackie: Yeah, well, of course. I read. I’ll tell you what I did. I was looking for a particular article in my files, in my email files. I have a jillion folders. And so I did a search. I wasn’t able to find it, but I remembered reading and this was I believe a newspaper report, that the US Congress, I may have even mentioned it when I had it emailed to me. That the US Congress had shortened the time, the required time for the pharmaceuticals to test their new drugs. The time it was shortened to was eight weeks, Alan.

 

Alan: I know, and even then. Eight weeks. Yeah, yeah. I know, it’s pathetic, but then again, it falls right into the agenda, because remember, Carroll Quigley himself, who was the historian, he was the official historian for the secretive CFR organization, which is the American branch of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, and he said, right in there, that the New World Order will consist of a new type of feudal system with corporations taking the parts of the warlords and nobility. So, we’re finding more and more so that the legislation is getting passed on behalf of massive international corporations. That’s happening. And look at all the politicians, all these lawyers, corporate lawyers. They’ve been either working for these corporations before they go into politics, or they go into them after they’ve left politics. So, it’s one in the same thing, really. So, private corporations are getting their way. We saw it here in Canada quite a few years ago, when we found out, through Britain, through a protest that was happening in Britain when Tony Blair was pushing through the modified food, the genetically modified vegetables, it came out, it leaked out from the NGOs in Britain, who were protesting that Canadians had been using this stuff for ten years and they hadn’t told the populace. So, the government had to come out within a statement, and they did admit in all the newspapers, they’d signed a secret agreement with Monsanto and others to test this stuff on the Canadians. A secret agreement from your own government.

 

Jackie: Your own government.

 

Alan: Uh, huh.

 

Jackie: They aren’t our government.

 

Alan: I know. I know. I mean this Mickey Mouse show is getting pathetic. But that’s what they give us.

 

Jackie: When you think about, I suppose, do you think Parliament, I would imagine so, in Canada, is it a corporation like the US government inc.

 

Alan: Yeah, yeah.

 

Jackie: They’re all corporations.

 

Alan: They’re all patterned after the.

 

Jackie: Paul Martin. Is Paul Martin still there?

 

Alan: No, well, he’s not there now. He’s working for the UN as far as I know.

 

Jackie: Oh, who’s the new guy?

 

Alan: Oh, it’s Harper, Steven Harper.

 

Jackie: Steven Harper. Okay.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: So, he’s the CEO.

 

Alan: He is the CEO, yeah. He’s, yeah.

 

Jackie: Like Bush.

 

Alan: But they’re not the admirals, they’re only the captains of the ship.

 

Jackie: They’re more like the janitors. Let’s face it.

 

Alan: Yeah. I know, I know, it’s rather sad and pathetic to try and try and even pretend to yourself that these guys are in charge of you. Because they’re not. They’re going along with an old agenda. We can read their predecessors who wrote books on it. And it doesn’t matter which party gets in, the agenda steamrolls ahead, because the bureaucracies are there forever, regardless of who appears to be the front man in Parliament. The bureaucracies are there for life, forever. Yeah.

 

Jackie: And they have schools for the bureaucrats.

 

Alan: They do.

 

Jackie: For the children of the bureaucrats.

 

Alan: They’re all intergenerational at the federal level. I read that recently. I know you said that.

 

Jackie: I read that just recently. It was some particular individual I was reading and that he had gone to school as the child of a bureaucrat, he went to the school for bureaucrats, to grow up a bureaucrat.

 

Alan: And they marry each other too. It’s a closed society. They always live in a specific area of each capitol city of every nation, and they intermarry and go to the same social clubs, and they don’t really mingle with the general population. So, they’re a class to themselves really, yeah. But they know when they go into a department that they’re schooled into what their function will be there, their role will be for their whole life, what they have to push forward. And H.G. Wells talked about that when he did the write up on the League of Nations, the precursor of the United Nations.

 

Jackie: It will lead to peace?

 

Alan: Yeah. He said that basically now, he says, with the League of Nations, it is the Embryo of World Parliament. He says and every country has its bureaucrats who can now correspond directly with equivalent bureaucracies at the League of Nations. Now, that’s the same today. They don’t even have to go through the politicians. Yeah.

 

Jackie: But the politicians have assisted them in the first place. Every single agency started, I have a report, a UN report from 3 meetings that were back in the 1950s. One was in the Soviet Union and one was in Switzerland. I don’t recall where the third one was. And that was when they were talking about, gosh, it has to do with the Housing Administration. Yes. I think that’s what, HUD, over here. That was before HUD was even formed. And I got to looking up in the encyclopedia to see when HUD was created, and it was right after that meeting took hold. It was a regional governance, the oh, geez, there was a quote in there that that main purpose for this particular individual was the transfer of land from private to public use. That was back in 1950. And then all of these, they kept using these phrases. They all related to different agencies that are here in the US, and as you said, they’re all brothers and sisters across the world, created under the auspices of the United Nations.

 

Alan: Yeah, that’s a fact.

 

Jackie: And we have the United Nations report here, where they plan to become a true World Parliamentary Government.

 

Alan: Yeah. Yeah, they’ve said in many statements that their function is to eventually become the World’s Government. They’ve said it quite openly.

 

Jackie: So, they need their own army. They need their own taxing agenda. And they need, the only thing that was lacking they said was the People’s Parliament, the Voice of the People.

 

Alan: Oh, the Voice of the People.

 

Jackie: The Voice of the People would be the nongovernmental organizations.

 

Alan: Yeah. The Soviet.

 

Jackie: That’s the Voice of the People.

 

Alan: That’s the Soviet. That’s what Soviet means, NGOs, yeah.

 

Jackie: Rule by Council?

 

Alan: Yeah, that’s right. Unelected councils, and just like the Soviet Union, they claim to speak for the people. The people demand this, the people demand that, but each head of the organization was appointed by the Soviet Politburo itself. So, it won’t be any different here. We know that.

 

Jackie: Of course not.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: But when you have all of these thousands, because there are thousands of them. As a matter of fact, any listener who might be interested, they’re in our United Nations section, at Sweetliberty.org. There’s a report that was done on, in fact, it was “Peace by Pieces” and it was all about the nongovernmental organizations, how they were going to bring the New World Order in by these Organizations. I think the thing was done, it came from the University of Pennsylvania, and it may have been ’43. It could have been ’34. I don’t know. It was back, way back, and already they said there were 2700 hundred of them.

 

Alan: Yeah, and it started in the 1700s, and it started initially by the big, the foundations, philanthropists they called it at the time, the multi-millionaires of the day, very high Freemasons too. And they’d all got together and decided how to take the world over, and of course, money was the key, so they’d have to control the world’s resources and get to the top, then they could finance and front these little NGO groups, and it’s gone on steadily since then. These, the big NGOs are not grass roots at all, never were. They have big buildings, a lot of them, computerized equipment all over the place on different floors. They have pension plans. So they’re not grass roots. These are authorized and funded by the Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller Foundations, and many others, yeah.

 

Jackie: People would be, they’d be interested to know that the Boy and Girl Scouts of America, it’s international, and it is considered an NGO. And YM and YWCAs are non-governmental organizations, recognized by the United Nations.

 

Alan: Yeah. That’s right. So, it’s the same old con. The pretense that there’s someone there to speak for you. And as long as the pretense is there, most of the public goes along with it. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Jackie: I wanted our listeners to know about this so that they can look into it. I understand that Pennsylvania is one of the states, and I’m going to take a look into it and at least give the State Legislature a call, my state rep, and state senator. I don’t know what the situation is here, but it behooves each of us to check it out, because you have no idea the difference you make. And that’s true. I know that’s true.

 

Alan: And you’ve got to hit something at the beginning, if possible before it begins. Once it’s underway it becomes, it becomes normal so quickly, you know. You’ve got to hit things right away to stop things. You can’t let them start and then hit them. It’s very difficult then to stop something.

 

Jackie: And you know there are, I know that it’s frustrating for people who are awake and who are waking up. Well, we’re all waking up, but the process of waking up. Some of us have woken a little before others, but it’s frustrating when they try to talk to friends, neighbors, associates, family, and you know, they get the eyes rolling up and, but here’s how I feel about this. If we know something that can affect their loved ones and them, then it’s our responsibility to say it, because it is planting seeds. Like you said, not to go out there and start preaching, but just say it. And then if they care and say, whoa, tell me more about this, then you have a person with some active gray matter.

 

Alan: And you stay on the topic. You see, people generally know so many different areas where everything is happening; they overload the person, rather than stick on a topic. You know, and leave it with them at that, until maybe the next time. Yeah.

 

Jackie: Or lets say ask a question. A lot of times, they’re talking to somebody, then it sparks a question in their mind.

 

Alan: Yeah. That’s okay. Yeah.

 

Jackie: If they ask, then that’s fine.

 

Alan: And keep, again, it’s short, because you could probably give them enough knowledge for a book on each topic. You don’t’ realize how much you’ve stored up in your head. So, you only give them enough on each topic for the time being. And that’s how you can do it. Because you’re talking to people who swallowed their conditioned reality and they truly believe that if there’s anything really, really worth knowing the media will tell them.

 

Jackie: Yeah right.

 

Alan: They really believe that.

 

Jackie: And I have an example. I think we’re about out of our first half hour. So, I don’t think I have time. It isn’t long, but I don’t want to be interrupted. So that our listeners see that it can happen. Then, at least you said it, and that is our responsibility. I just don’t see that any other way, Alan.

 

Alan: I know. I know.

 

Jackie: I just don’t see it any other way. Folks, we’re going to be back right after this, in about three minutes, so, you stay with us. I’m Jackie Patru, in case you’re a new listener. And Alan Watt is our guest this evening, as usual. We’ll be right back here.

 

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Jackie: Alright, we’re back. Alan, before we get started, tell the listeners about what you have to offer, you’re DVD and the books, etc.

 

Alan: Yeah. If they go to cuttingthroughthematrix.com, they can look at the videos. I’ve also got the first one which is free on the site, the first DVD on Reality Check. They can also purchase it, if they want to, for other people that don’t have computers.

 

Jackie: That’s nice. You’ve got that on DVD now.

 

Alan: Yeah, mm, hmm.

 

Jackie: Oh, that’s nice.

 

Alan: Because a lot of people don’t have computers, and it plays on the DVD player for your TV. And I’ve got more CDs coming out too.

 

Jackie: Now, you have Reality Check 2.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: But you have Reality Check 1 on DVD?

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: Okay, both of them are available. Oh, that’s cool. And the first one is for people to watch free, if they want to. But they can purchase it to show their friends and family, etc. And the other one is for purchase only, Reality Check 2. And your books.

 

Alan: And there’s the three books there, the Cutting Through Series. It was a form of deprogramming, which it does work. I’ve had a lot of people who have; it’s not what they expect. It’s not with the usual boring, this happened in the year so and so. It’s a method of showing you what’s in front of you that you’ve missed, to show you that you’re living in not just deception, but even the deception of the language we’re given is so coded. And once they understand it, it becomes obvious to them. And the higher Freemasons use these codes all the time. And I’ve got another one coming out. It will be about a month’s time hopefully, that goes further into this whole coding business, for those who have already caught up on the last three books. Yeah.

 

Jackie: A de-programming.

 

Alan: Yes. Yeah, because you have to de-program people. It’s not just a matter of, see, here’s the trick that’s played on us, apart from the fact that we’re brainwashed into a version of Reality.

 

Jackie: But we’re born into it, Alan.

 

Alan: You’re born into it. And if your parents don’t know to tell you how it works, you would think it’s normal. Which means anything can be normal to a child brought up in any system. And so, you have to show them, by history too, that this was a planned society, and it’s to be a planned world. It’s all coming together. All the laws are coming together. The legalities, so they can merge the whole planet quite smoothly as they did with the merger of Europe. They merged the country’s laws together, quietly, over a period of fifty years. And eventually, they started to standardize the money, bring some down and value some up, so they could simply merge into the Euro. They’re doing the same in North America here, with Latin America. So, everything that happens is planned. Nothing just happens at the time. And these front meetings that we see, where they put their signature on something as presidents, that’s just a show for the public. In reality, the negotiations and all the footwork were done by bureaucrats and lawyers for the last fifty years, you know. So, I go through this kind of stuff to show the people, it’s much, much deeper.

 

You can’t play the game of politics, it’s totally corrupt. Always was. Politicians are vetted long before the public even hear their names to vote for. They’re vetted by the big boys. And the ones that are chosen go along with the agenda. That’s their job. Politics is a front in itself for the agenda. And it stops the people from revolting every four or five years, and that’s why they gave this so called democratic system, beginning with Britain. They found that the public was generally, they were so over-taxed over hundreds of years and all the wars that came along after the Rothschilds took over the bank, and they got a standing army, paid for by the tax payer, the people were so over taxed, they knew they’d have a Revolution every four or five years, so they gave them this thing called democracy, and carried on as usual with the some antics. But the people think, well, we’ve got a chance. We can get these guys out. And that’s what you do in these countries. You vote the last lot of politicians out, hoping the next bunch will be better. And it never is.

 

Jackie: Well, today, at least here in the US, and I don’t know how many countries are using the computer voting machines.

 

Alan: Oh, yeah.

 

Jackie: In the US today, voting is actually futile. I mean, because your vote could be changed.

 

Alan: It always was though.

 

Jackie: Not always, not this easy.

 

Alan: Well, I’ll tell you, what I found strange, I only went to a voting office once, and that was because someone told me to meet them there. I’m proud to say, I’ve never voted for anything or anybody in my life. I was never fooled. But I went to this one, in Ontario here, to meet someone, and every woman that was counting the votes in that office had an Eastern Star Badge on. That’s no coincidence. You know, and Stalin himself, said, I don’t care.

 

Jackie: They weren’t counted right in the public, at the voting precinct itself?

 

Alan: Yeah, yeah.

 

Jackie: They weren’t?

 

Alan: Oh, they were counted in there, but all the staff there that were in charge of all the boxes and in the counting were all these women with Eastern Star Badges on.

 

Jackie: And the public wasn’t allowed in, while the counting was going.

 

Alan: No, no. And Stalin himself said, I don’t care who votes for whom, he says. He says, that’s irrelevant. He says, I only care about the one that counts them. Yeah, so, yeah. So, it’s a con game. It always was.

 

Jackie: What I wanted to say before we got on that subject and back off it again, when we were talking about it being our responsibility at least to inform people. My sis and I went grocery shopping the other day, and stopped and had lunch, and she accidentally put aspartame, or I think it was that, it might have been Splenda, in her coffee cup, and she took a sip and she said, whoa. So, she asked the waitress if she could please have another cup, and it was a new cup of coffee. And she says, oh, that’s great. I use that. I’ll drink it myself. And she started walking away. And I said, “Was it Splenda you put in your coffee?” “Yeah.” And I said, “No Splenda, no Splenda.” as she was walking away, and she turned around. And she said, “No Splenda?” And I said, “No.” So she came back. And she asked me about it. And I said, “No. It’s a real bad move, any of the artificial sweeteners. I said, just do a search on your search engine for Splenda; asked her if she had a computer. I said, just do a search for Splenda and you will find out about it. And she said, “Thank you.” And that was the end of it. And I mean, she meant it, Alan. She wasn’t just, oh, I’m a customer, so humor me. She was very appreciative to hear that. She had no idea. It took about three minutes. And anything like that.

 

Alan: Oh, yeah. You can’t really stop yourself. I mean, I can’t. Yeah.

 

Jackie: You can’t?

 

Alan: Yeah. And there’s so many opportunities.

 

Jackie: Every time somebody says something, it’s an opening isn’t it?

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: It really is. And then, then there comes a time when you just have to gulp, because everything they say is an opening. Everything they say. But when it comes to, when it comes to things like that, it’s so, it’s killing. It’s killing. It’s our responsibility to say it. Whether they listen or not, it is of course to be their own responsibility. And you know, I may have said this already. I may have said it on the air. But this thought has been in my mind. If I knew Alan, when I was a young woman. If I knew what this world was like, I don’t think I would have ever brought children into the world. Alan, I mean that.

 

Alan: Well, I decided that before I had a woman. (Chuckle) Yeah. I knew it then. Yeah.

 

Jackie: You knew it, but I didn’t. And then I think to myself, well you know what, who are we to say who’s to be here? Because there are people who come up. And I read some, in fact, I wanted to use it tonight as our spiritual message. It was spiritual I guess in a sense. But, basically what it said was that something about today there are so few that are doing so much for so many. But it had to do with the people who are awake and who are waking up.

 

Alan: Mm, hmm. Yeah, because we are at a crucial time. In the past, it wasn’t so urgent. It was always there, boiling away, simmering away, but now it’s urgent, because we know, they’ve published so much on their scientific data. They’ve had so many world meetings of scientists of what to do with the public, the type of public they wish to have in the very, very near future. And we know it’s a robotic type society. So, that’s why it’s so urgent now, you see. Yeah. Because those who are growing up now are the ones who are going to go through the biggest changes that’s ever been seen here for probably thousands of years. Yeah.

 

Jackie: Do you think this is the end of an age?

 

Alan: Oh, it is the end of an age. There’s no doubt, yeah.

 

Jackie: Well, I mean, it’s the end of the Age of Pisces and…

 

Alan: Yeah. And with that.

 

Jackie: Do they? No, but, I want to ask you a question. They refer to that as an Age?

 

Alan: Yes. To them, it’s the period of time, in every age, in every age their have their agenda scheduled out.

 

Jackie: So, is that every twenty some hundred years?

 

Alan: Yeah, it’s over twenty-five and a half thousand, really in a sense. Now, they knew, if you notice, history went along with the usual conquering stuff, the building up of empires in the traditional fashion, with the backing of the money lenders and the taxations of the conquered people. It went on quite the same, and so did agriculture and so on, until about the 1500s. And it was in the 1500s, as though an alarm bell went off. Suddenly there was this explosion of Rosicrucianism throughout Europe. And it was always Rosicrucians in amongst around the Royal Families, the advisors and so on. And they were into the sciences. Suddenly science was very important to them, because they knew though, it had only about five hundred years left to complete the mission that through science they would conquer all or finish off the period for the age. And that’s why they’ve had this tremendous rush since the 1500s.

 

Jackie: So, you’re saying, according to them, an Age is a full cycle of the zodiacal ages.

 

Alan: It’s called the Great Zodiac, yeah.

 

Jackie: The Great Zodiac, because according to, you know, what I’ve read, and I think we’ve talked about it, during the time when Jesus was here, that’s why they, the sign of the fish, Aquarius. And that was about 2000 years ago. So, isn’t each of those inner ages about twenty some hundred years?

 

Alan: Yeah. So, that’s really what it is. It’s broken down. Now, within the Great Cycle, one particular sign predominates, just as you do in the annular cycle. And so, they have all the mini ones in-between them. So, at the end of the age, technically, we’re going into, this is Aquarius. And they’ve been arguing about the exact moment of reaching Aquarius, for the last 60 years. Yeah. And the Theosophy Society came out with different debates on this. Yeah.

 

Jackie: So, in this Age, this Great Age, there’s one particular sign predominant?

 

Alan: That’s Aquarius, the Water Bearer.

 

Jackie: I mean, the Great Age, the whole 25,000 years.

 

Alan: They do, they do have a sort of symbol for it, occultic symbol. Some of them have different occultic symbols to confuse it all, because, they claim that every, and I really, I truly believe this, because, if you were to study, supposing the so-called civilization as they call it. Let’s take the standard nonsense we’re fed here. Life begins at Sumer, or civilization begins at Sumer. That’s nonsense. Sumer came on the scene fully fledged as a system, with its money form, with its even, receipts. You could get a baked clay receipt at the market within 15 minutes. They’ve found millions of them. And they have all these priesthoods that acted as bureaucrats in governmental departments, you might say, governing all trade, domestic and foreign.

 

Jackie: How could a humungous, was Sumer a city?

 

Alan: It was both city and cities. Some of them include Maree to the Northwest, as part of the whole Sumer area. It was really Akadia they called it, the whole area. Akadia.

 

Jackie: Could you spell that?

 

Alan: Some of them use K, A-K-A-D-I-A.

 

Jackie: Akadia, A-K, okay.

 

Alan: Other ones use the C, but it’s up to the person.

 

Jackie: But how in the world, out of almost nowhere, how did they gather, this many people.

 

Alan: Well, we know they came down from the Highland areas to the Northeast of them, and they brought the seed with them, which meant there was a previous agricultural civilization existing to have the seed. You see, nomadic peoples don’t keep seed and plan. They’re always on the move. So, these people came from the mountainous areas, and brought this system with them. So they had to have gotten it not only from a previous age. Now, to knock out the nonsense that we just sort of evolved from there, piecemeal by good luck or whatever, here’s the clue. They knew astronomy inside out, even at the beginning of Sumer. Now, if you were to follow all of the stars.

 

Jackie: Even fifteen hundred years ago.

 

Alan: Yeah, even if you followed all the stars, and all the planets, and the risings and settings, and the different comets that come and go, etc, to get one great year, you’d have to have studied it for twenty five and a half thousand years already to be sure it would happen exactly the same way again. You see what I’m saying? If you just watched it one time around, you couldn’t be certain it was going to come in the same sequence again. So, man is far, far older, with knowledge, intellect, methods of obviously translating this, or putting this information down and teaching it to others. To have had that extreme knowledge at the beginning of Sumer. So, that’s the key to that. We’re not supposed to know. So, getting back to what we’re saying here. They plan the ages. Now, the mini-ages are with each two thousand, it’s over two thousand years, again another sign will predominate. So, you’ll have within the Great Zodiac, you had Pisces for the time of Jesus. The fish was the symbol, long before the cross, and even after the cross it was used for two hundred years before the cross was officially made the Christian symbol. And they had the two thousand years mapped out. In other words, their goal was mapped out at the beginning.

 

Jackie: What do you know about the giants that were here?

 

Alan: I don’t go along with all of that.

 

Jackie: I’ve been reading some stuff.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: One of the things came from Ohio, and they actually, they actually showed the reports. You know how the little town halls or the county seats that we have now, where their records were kept. This was maybe 1800 and some time. They dug up; they found all kinds of bones. And this was reported and it was recorded in the public records. And these people were eight, nine, ten feet tall, large, and they had double rows of teeth. They showed jaws in them, Alan. And then, evidently there are some of the American Indians that were here before us. I don’t know, why do we call them Indians, because.

 

Alan: Oh, it’s a Masonic con game, yeah.

 

Jackie: Right. Because, they said they thought he landed on India.

 

Alan: I know, I know. It’s a Masonic con game, yeah.

 

Jackie: What kind of words to say for those people. But anyway, but in their lore, a lot of them said that there were giants here before they were here. And the one story, of course, it’s oral history, so we know where there’s smoke there’s fire, and I suppose it changes down through the years, but there were red bearded ones and black bearded ones. And then it reminded me of when we had talked about those red-haired people, you know, like in Egypt, the Pharaohs, and then over there in China.

 

Alan: And even the heads of kings and queens for Sumer. We knew they wore black wigs, because they found them in their graves.

 

Jackie: They were redheaded too. Well, that reminded me of that, but I’m not so sure, Alan, that there weren’t a very large race of people here at one time.

 

Alan: It’s possible that you’ll have aberrations, even within groups. We still have different aberrations in some African tribes, where they all had six toes, for instance, the whole tribe, every member. And fingers as well. So, you’ll get these things happening within peoples who interbreed intensively, if there’s already a dominant gene there. It will get passed on. And they’ll start losing it, if they start breeding out, you see.

 

Jackie: Well, I’m going to, I’d like to look into this further, I’ve found it very fascinating.

 

Alan: And the problem with the 1800s, I mean, I know, in the 1800s, there was so many, there was so much going on, there was an awful lot of con games going on in the 1800s too, in the US, and that’s when P.T. Barnum took over, because someone came out and claimed they had found a giant, and they put it on display or something, and then it was stolen. So, he, or some of his friends came up with one, they made it themselves and claimed it was the real thing, and they toured the whole of the US with it for a few years. And then admitted it was a fake. So, there was so much nonsense going on at the time, it’s hard to tell, because we weren’t there, really you know.

 

Jackie: I know, well, we weren’t there for any of this.

 

Alan: Yeah, yeah. So, really we just don’t know.

 

Jackie: I just wondered.

 

Alan: And I don’t know if they’ve even, if they’ve, if they still had, and even then, after the Piltdown Man that was taught that it was taught as fact, and people had thesis for their universities, and they passed it on this whole Piltdown Man nonsense.

 

Jackie: What was the Piltdown Man?

 

Alan: Well, they had it on display to try and prove it was a missing link for evolution, to try and prove. And then it came out, after years and years on display and taught in every school across the world as a fact, when they eventually did test it, the jaw was that of a pig stuck onto a gorilla’s skull. So, they do these cons in history in a big way. And it’s always the bigger the con the more gullible the people are. It’s a sad truth, you know. It’s a sad, sad truth.

 

Jackie: Were the, the American Indians weren’t real small people, were they?

 

Alan: Oh, some of them were pretty tall, especially up here in Canada.

 

Jackie: So, see, we’re looking at a different race once again. What brought that to my mind is we’re talking today about Valley Forge, and I said it was so fascinating to go there, and look in those little cabins, the bunks that they slept it. It was something that I would have been comfortable in, Alan.

 

Alan: Well, if you look at a lot of the old buildings across Europe, the people lived in, not only that, go into the castles, that’s what hit me when I was really young. I went off to explore the castles. And the regular guards, the armies had breastplates that wouldn’t have fit me at thirteen or twelve.

 

Jackie: Okay, there you go.

 

Alan: Because, and the normal people you see were starved. They weren’t getting proper diets. That was the reason for it. See, you can make people stunted in growth by malnourishment. And that’s why the nobility grew to their full height.

 

Jackie: Well, I’m talking though about these people that were here in the US, America, back in the 1700s, and they were meat eaters, Alan. They were small; they were short. I remember at the island in Michigan, Mackinaw Island, there’s a fort there. And we went there to see the fort. And they said that one of the reasons that they wore those really tall hats was to make them look more frightening.

 

Alan: Oh, yeah.

 

Jackie: Because they were shorter. The average was about 5’3”, 5’4” maybe. Well, so, men today are larger. But the point that I was thinking about was that at that same time, it seemed to be the European whites that were smaller, shorter. The American Indians were here, and they were of an average or taller height at the time. So, it seems that from those four hundred years that the males are taller today.

 

Alan: Everyone is. You see, when you come from Europe, I was astonished to look at the size of people male and female. The young people.

 

Jackie: Is it small or big?

 

Alan: Big. Around the 6 feet mark and so on. And then I caught on to what was the cause. There’s a cause for it, because the US allowed the growth hormone in food long before they did in Europe. And that hormone is not destroyed by cooking. It’s in all the meat products. And that’s, it makes you grow, it’s meant to make the cattle grow. Yeah. That’s the cause of it, yeah. But in World War I.

 

Jackie: I’m not so sure about that.

 

Alan: It’s a fact. Check it up. You don’t destroy hormones by boiling them.

 

Jackie: That growth hormone, from what I read about, they gave it to people a few weeks before market, to fatten them up.

 

Alan: That’s what they claim.

 

Jackie: Yeah. You now have to look that up too.

 

Alan: But here’s the thing, with Britain for instance. They found in World War I, the average soldier that came in, and they were all malnourished, they had the worst terrible diet. They averaged around the age of eighteen they were around 5’2” tall. And within four months of having army food, the best meals they’d ever had in their life, the average person sprouted six inches in four month.

 

Jackie: We’re out of our hour.

 

Alan: Yeah.

 

Jackie: Okay, thanks folks. Turn into Darren Monday night for sure, and find out more about the vaccine we were talking about earlier. Alan, thanks.

 

Alan: It’s a pleasure.

 

Jackie: Thanks for listening folks. Good Night. God Bless you.

 

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Jackie Patru: Well, good evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Thank you for joining us tonight, here on Sweet Liberty.  It is Thursday, and it is the 28^th of September in the year 2006.  We’re on, not usually Thursday Nights, as you know.  Last night, Alan was our guest.  And we were in a conversation.  And I hoped that we would be able to pick it up this evening.  I don’t know where it’s going to go.  I don’t know.  We never know anyway, do we Alan?

Alan Watt: It’s a long and winding road.

Jackie: It’s a long and winding road and a wheel within a wheel.  And when we were closing, last night, Alan, my parting comments, I believe, you know, we do, we have, since 1998, have been on the air together a lot, and of course, the history that you have given us, and the people who’s eyes have been opened because of the information that has been imparted, and the one thing for me, that has been missing, as I said last night, it feels that each program, at least part of each program, some place in it, would touch on the spiritual issues.  Because, we have touched on so much.  I mean, there has been a lot of conversation about religion, and you have said without any qualms, without any ifs ands or buts, all religions are manmade, and they were made by man to control the mind, the beliefs, and therefore the behavior of people.  And the people who have listened, many of our listeners have begun to realize that the religion that they have selected for were born into, has been a lie.  And as I said, it’s left a lot of people, and I don’t have a count, my phone calls that I’ve received, letters I’ve received, but mostly phone calls, now that I’m not doing short wave anymore, people feeling lost, floundering, literally, because they’re, they realize the religion, the lies that religions have been teaching.  And yet, what is there for somebody to hold on to.  What is there for somebody, and not another myth, you see.  And that’s why I asked if we could pick this up tonight.  I don’t know where we’re going to go with it, or what you would be willing to talk about.

Alan: It’s a quandary really for people, because they generally jump out of one religion into another.  And that’s the standard path that they take.  And yet, I keep saying, over and over, if this is the place where matter and spirit meet, and since this is a very important place for it to happen, since it’s the only place for it to happen, therefore what you do in this life is of utmost importance.  Therefore, you find your way towards one by living in the other.  You work your way towards something, which comes, which comes with time, if you’re doing all the right things.  Which generally are not just for yourself.  You help yourself as a side effect of doing the right thing.  And it’s a complete reevaluation of everything which you held dear, previously.  The old story about dying the death to be reborn, was an ancient saying.  And it’s ancient, and it’s modern at the same time, because it’s the same path, everyone must take, at least to start off with, where you truly look around all the things that you’ve chased all your life, the younger ones are being chased to going after the same things at the moment, and you for the first time truly evaluate them.  And you make a distinguishing line between one and the other, what truly is important in this life.  And quite a few years ago, you remember, a guy phoned me in, and, I think, yeah, he phoned I think.  And he said, you’ve got to get a computer Alan, he says.  This has become my best friend, my therapist, it’s become everything to me.  And I said to him, you’ll lose yourself in the process, I says, because you can die, and you can have that glass screen next to you as you’re dying, but personally, I’d rather have a human hand holding mine.

So, we’re caught up in the time, where science has become the sub-god, you might say, of this system.  We’ve all been trained that if an expert says something, in a white coat, then it’s the gospel truth.  And yet, science is taking us into a form of oblivion, for ourselves, albeit almost a painless one, eventually, as people go through the changes.  They’re already adapting to them.  But we’re losing every single thing, the uniqueness of being human in the process.

Jackie: And what is the uniqueness?

Alan: And that’s the question that people have to ask themselves.  Do they want to go on this path, that’s already been chosen, by the elite for us, or are they going to start now, and standing up and saying no.  That’s their personal choice.

Jackie: Saying no to what’s happening?  Is that what you’re saying.

Alan: To where we’re being directed, yeah.  We have lost so many things, just in the last fifty years, that we used to call our humanity.  We have lost the sacredness of life, number one.  That’s why it was always held up, even in the courts they had to hold it up, because of the religious traditions, which at least had that correct, that life itself was a sacred thing.  We’ve watched ourselves being allowed.  We’ve actually helped, enabled it to happen.

Jackie: How?

Alan: All the way to abortion.

Jackie: How have we helped an enabled it, Alan?

Alan: Pardon?

Jackie: How have we helped and enabled it?

Alan: Because, because our own drives.  We were told, unshackle your drives, let them go.  You don’t have to hold them back any more.  You don’t have to be morally or personally responsible for your drives.  That was the first part.

Jackie: Well, yeah, but.

Alan: Then it was encouraged from the top.  It was called the Sexual Revolution was, do your own thing.  There’s something there to take care of any fall out.  Don’t worry just do it.  Then the next part, of course, we’ve already seen the business that’s been flourishing quietly, and now it’s in the open, to do with body parts and stem cells.  It’s a flourishing business.

Jackie: I know it is, but what does this have to do with.

Alan: And we think, we think, and we graze all through this, accepting it, until it’s now normal.

Jackie: Alan, your talking though, with like a great big huge wide brush.  And like, everybody has accepted it.

Alan: Well, do you want me to be specific and name names?  We’re talking to everybody, because everybody knows what I mean.  Most people have drifted through this as though it didn’t affect them.  It didn’t affect them.  And of course, it has affected us, because a lot of the listeners out there have already had inoculations, and they use fetal tissue to make them.  And their children have as well.  So, our silence, as we drifted through this ‘60s, ‘70s, and ‘80s period, has enabled them to go so far, and with every bit of our humanity we give away, it makes it easier to give the next part away.

Jackie: Yes.  And once again, I’m not asking you to name names, but people who got vaccines, I had my two daughter vaccinated, Alan, not because I didn’t care or love my daughters, because I didn’t know any better.  And maybe when an individual finds out the dangers of these, and continues to do it, then they would fit in that group that is going along with it.  But not everybody goes along with this.  Not everybody does.

Alan: You’d be surprised with how much people go along with so many things which are wrong, because it’s over there that it’s happening, or it’s in another part of the country or whatever.  Everything comes round to each eventually; everything that happens anywhere on the planet, eventually comes round to us.  And this was something that was at one time understood.  That’s why there was such indignation when something terrible was happening somewhere else, and we demand that it be stopped or whatever.  But today, it’s almost as though everything is remote from us, because we have been depersonalized, scientifically, gradually, until even, say the family is pretty well non-existent today.  That too. Everything has been attacked with gradualism, and now the state has become the god.  Now many people saw this coming, and wrote about it.  Like I say, Carl Jung, who warned us all about the future we were allowing to happen.  But because it was supposedly the good times, the music, the sex, the drugs, the do your own thing, the shackles are off, it was so much fun to do it all.

Jackie: Are you, let me ask you this, you know, maybe, since I’ve been doing the broadcast, Sweet Liberty, I’ve had a sense of our listeners.  In the beginning, when I was on short wave, the majority of our listeners were fundamentalists, Christian, that you know, the Old Testament, the New Testament, dichotomy, every word was true, regardless, and it’s come such a long way, that I, my sense of the people who are listening to this broadcast today, they’re not listening out of a desire for entertainment, because the conversations are just too intense for people to be entertained by them.  I wonder would you…

Alan: I know that, but it’s also people too, who want to hear what they want to hear.

Jackie: Well, do you think?

Alan: They also call me.

Jackie: They call you, yes, but the people that are listening to this broadcast, do you think they’re listening, because they’re…

Alan: They’re from a broad spectrum out there.  However, we’ve all gone through the same things, really, I mean, pretty well.

Jackie: Well, yes, we have.  I was wondering if, tonight, maybe you would speak to an audience that you know, that a lot of them have come out of the lies are in a process of coming out of the lies, and I wonder if you would speak to that understanding that so many of our listeners are coming to, rather than throwing this out there, like you know, we all are the mass, and we’ve all done this, and I’ve done things.  As I said, the vaccinations.  I had no idea.  And there was evidently within me, some, thank heaven, knowing that when the mumps and the measles and these vaccines came out, and I got the calls from the doctors office, I said, no.  I wasn’t going to do it.  It wasn’t because, oh, I realized that it is creating autism, or that there is Mercury in it, or aluminum.  People, many people, who vaccinated their children, did it because they love their children, and truly believed that it was the right thing to do.

Alan: Yeah, because they worship the white coats.

Jackie: I didn’t worship white coats, Alan.

Alan: They were already trained.  I mean, I was a toddler when we got all the US reruns of Ben Casey and Dr. Killdare and all this kind of stuff.  Through drama the people were propagandized into seeing these people differently than they actually were.  And there’s more of it today than there ever was before, actually, with CSI and all the rest of them.  They give a fictional account.

Jackie: You think a great majority of our listeners are in that mode, in that frame of mind.

Alan: There’s hardly a person that escaped the subtle indoctrination, it’s very direct, that came through the TV era.  It’s given them so many opinions and all that.  It really has directed them in different ways.  That’s what it was given out to the public to do.  Just as the computer followed it.  I always say that the tools we are given are really, the secondary effect is that we can use them, but never the primary reason that they’re given out.  They’re given out for more control purposes.  Information has always been controlled, because you come to conclusions according to how much or what type of information you’re given.  But mostly behavior is done through fiction.  We emulate what we see.  And that’s always been understood.  So, see the people who are looking for answers, have to be responsible for the knowledge that they already have.  You don’t sit with it.  You don’t sit with.  There’s no point in teaching someone to sit at home and purr like a cat.  You must use it.

Jackie: What does that mean?

Alan: Many people want comfort.  They want to be told, there, there, everything will be okay for you.  That, that’s, I’ll leave that to the New Age Movement, that tells them all nothing is real anyway, so don’t worry about it, and life will just go on and on forever, for them.  That is what I mean.  People have to realize that here, as they walk the planet, they have a job to use the information they have.  And that means risking losing friends.  They’re not your friends anyway, if they walk away.  It means, you take the data, you photocopy it, you do whatever you can with it, and you pass it out.  I know people who do that.

Jackie: I know you do.  And I do also.  So.

Alan: And they are concerned, not just about themselves.  They’re concerned about others.  And that’s what we have to hold onto.  Because the system has been trying for years to break that connection between people.  The “I’m all right Jack” type society.  We must hang on to that, that need to share with other people our concerns for their sake, as well.  But you can teach people forever, who will never ever use it.  And that’s a waste of time. People have to use it.  They’ve got to stick their heads up above the trenches and get the information out.  Even if you only eventually change five people in your lifetime, you’ve done more than most.

Jackie; Yes.  And I don’t know how many people you’ve talked to, I would think that you have, that have listened to this broadcast, that have called you that have called you, that have called me, that have lost their friends, and their families, many people, lose their families because of it.  That’s, what I’m saying is, that the mind that the heart of people that I talk to, they’re not what you’re talking about right now.  And that’s why, and we’ve talked about this, since 1998, and that’s why I was hoping maybe this evening that we don’t do the general all over, you know, that’s what everybody does.  I don’t, there’s many of our listeners that they’ve sacrificed, well, their friends and their family.

Alan: They’ve not sacrificed it.  They were never yours anyway.

Jackie: No, no, it feels like, yes, but, you know what.  It feels like a sacrifice when it happens.

Alan: The change is within the person, and it’s nothing to be ashamed of.  And it’s definitely nothing to regret.  Truth has a price.  In everything in this world, there’s a cause and an effect.  And when you get truth.

Jackie: Yeah, I used the wrong word.  I did use the wrong word.  Sacrifice.  And I said, it feels like a sacrifice when it happened.  It is within them that they have an impelling urging to share what they know.  And because of that, they’ve lost friends, they’ve lost family.  Many of them, Alan.  I’ve talked, over these past ten in the half years, I couldn’t even guess the number of people that I’ve spoken with.  They feel like loners.  They feel alone.  In fact, that’s a lot of times why they call, because they have sometimes to talk to somebody that they can relate with.  And that’s, there’s a lot of people in our listening audience, that fit that.

Alan: Yes.  But you know, I don’t see it the same way, you see.

Jackie: You don’t.

Alan: I don’t view that the same way.  When you have broken away, and it will call it the mass, the stereotype.

Jackie: The what?

Alan: The mass, you might say.  The stereotype.  When you’ve broken out of it, even though, you’ll still see, even though you’ll still see, or have a feeling for the old once and a while, you should really go on and be thankful, in a sense, to rejoice even, because there’s nothing more wonderful than breaking through.  There’s nothing to compare with it.  You can have sadness at those you’ve left behind, and the knowledge that they’ll probably always be there.  Not necessarily so, but probably, there’s a good chance.  But you rejoice in the fact that you’ve broken through.  When you can break through this system, with all of the sciences behind it and the wisdom of the ages, that’s meant to keep you in a mental strait jacket from birth till death, when you’ve overcome that, you’ve overcome the world, and you can go on from there.  And yes, you won’t be part of the crowd, but that’s part of what you sought after.  When you look, don’t ask for it on your conditions.

Jackie: Yes.  I found that out.  I found that out.

Alan: Yeah.  You want truth with no attachments.  You don’t want any guarantees.  And I say to people all the time, do you really want truth, are you sure?   And I’ll warn them.  You’ll never be the same again.  And I’ll say, what’s dear to you.  And they’ll tell me what’s dear to them, and generally by that I will go further with them or not.

Jackie: In other words, what if they said, my family is dear to me.

Alan: Then I’d ask them, just how dear.  Would you be willing to sacrifice losing them?  And if they wouldn’t.

Jackie: So, it is a sacrifice in your mind.

Alan: To them it is, not to me.  See, there’s a new belonging, you see.  You only belong with that which is on the same walk as yourself.  You can’t go back when you’ve opened Pandora’s Box.

Jackie: You can never go back, no.

Alan: No.

Jackie: No, I know that.

Alan: And so, you certainly, see, you’ve left, as I say, the mass man, behind.  You’ve walked out of that room forever, and if you still have nostalgia, then that can play on you, and that can bring you down again.

Jackie: Nostalgia.

Alan: But you still can’t go back, because you can’t.  So you have a choice to work your way through it and realize that whether you like it or not, you’re not one of them anymore.

Jackie: And when that does happen, I’ve experienced it.  Of course, I’m not, you know, at that point where I’m walking on water.  When the tension comes between you and your loved ones and family, your children, or anybody in family, because of what you know, and because you are so compelled to share it.  And then they’ll say, oh, please don’t start preaching again.  Well, Alan, that hurts.  And it seems to me…

Alan: And that’s why I always tell them, don’t preach to your family, yeah.

Jackie: Well, is it preaching?

Alan: Yeah.

Jackie: Is it preaching when you find, oh, well wait a minute, how do you know it’s preaching unless I say.

Alan: Preaching is when you are speaking on something, which they cannot possibly at the moment relate to, and they let you know it.

Jackie: In other words, if you’re talking about some new information you found out on a particular product they might be using, that is damaging livers, now.

Alan: To them, if they have no interest in it themselves, then you’re just being a control freak.

Jackie: Alan, isn’t it a possibility.  I mean, this is a little bit of a double standard here we’ve got, because we have to, as you just said, we have got to stand up.  We have got to do, share information that we have.  Maybe our responsibility is to say that, and then let it go, knowing that they’re going to make the choice.

Alan: Yeah, but how many people do you know who can let it go?

Jackie: I’m talking about this particular situation, any particular situation where we finally realize that there are certain people who will and certain people who won’t.  And interestingly, when it’s your family, and they’re in your heart, it hurts even though, even though, you’re compelled to, it hurts.  And I’m not sure, because maybe I misunderstood, but it seems like what you said is, you’ve got to get through that, and, you know, if you even have nostalgia, it’s going to hold you back.  Does that mean, does that mean that we have to quit feeling, Alan?

Alan: You have to be able to handle feelings.

Jackie: Pardon?

Alan: You have to be able to handle feelings in a different way.  And every, every.

Jackie: You mean it can hurt, and you can accept the hurt.  Do you mean that?

Alan: Yeah.

Jackie: Well, okay, fine.  But at least.

Alan: In every religion, in every single religion, you have the same allegories over and over and over that when the person changes, you never look back.  There are reasons for not looking back.  And in every, every, every single religion out there, all of them, when you change yourself, you belong to a different family.  Every one.

Jackie: Do you see, or I don’t know, in your comprehension, I know it’s difficult for you to relate, from, it seems, you know, you’re very beginnings, there wasn’t much you didn’t know.  But do you see, that people are in certain steps.  Everybody isn’t at the same level of awakening or understanding.  And so, to take it to the very nth degree, and say if you can’t do this, you may as well not even try.

Alan: I wouldn’t try to wake someone up who hasn’t taken the first step themselves.  Asking questions outside the box.

Jackie: Okay.  We have to take a break here.  And folks, stay with us.  We’re going to be back.

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Jackie: Okay, we’re back.  And Alan, are you there?

Alan: Yep.

Jackie: Okay, well, we were talking.  You had mentioned that sharing with people, and people who’s journey, if you would, to spiritual consciousness is, you know, on a different path.  Each, I don’t mean different.  Maybe a different, a different level if you would on the journey.  And you said that you wouldn’t even, not talk to somebody, but, I don’t know what you said, but you said, unless they would ask questions outside the box.

Alan: You wouldn’t teach them something outside of their knowledge, their present knowledge, unless they were asking questions.

Jackie: Why would you have to teach them if it was already their knowledge though?

Alan: I just said, if they didn’t have it in them.  That they were not expressing questions, the right kind of questions, then there’s no point.  If you try to teach someone who hasn’t asked the questions, you’re actually nagging them.  It’s no different than a born-againer coming along, and preaching the gospel to you over and over.  It’s outside of their present reality.  They can’t relate to it.  So you can only teach people, and I hear it so often, because the first thing they want to do, it’s like conversion, you want to convert the person next store to you, or next to you.  And it ends up in chaos for them.  It makes a hell on earth for themselves and their wife or husband or whoever.  If you truly love a person, and you know where they are in their mindset, if you truly love them, and you know if they’ve been asking questions or not about, as I say, outside the box, if you truly love them, and they haven’t been asking the questions, leave them in peace.  You’re not loving someone when you start to nag them.  And that’s how they see it.  And that causes so much conflict.  Tremendous conflict.  And you have to be able to accept that that person might never have any inclination to ask the right questions, because they are making decisions.

Jackie: I’ve had, I’ve had experiences, well, actually, conversations with people, who have told me that I said something and they didn’t get it.  And I said the same thing again, another way, and they finally got it.  But maybe it took several, several times.  Those were things I didn’t know about, until I was told about.  But I don’t see the difference in that, and in saying something, and leave it go after you’ve said it.  Leave it go, because how do you know, at what point they’re going to “get it”, Alan.

Alan: Yeah, but you’re differentiating between just planting the occasional seed and leaving it, and then, wanting to save those around you.  These are two different things altogether.  We’re talking about generalities with the occasional person, when they’ve listened to the radio or whatever, or they’ve already been asking questions, that’s why they listen to these kinds of shows.  So, they’re asking questions.  Just by seeking they’re asking the questions.

Jackie: Exactly.  Thank you.

Alan: But other people, as I say, those right next to you, who like the idea of the world as it’s been presented and reinforced to them.  You can’t just walk in and say, “Hey.  You’ve got it all wrong.”  “You have to understand this.”  That’s a typical expression they’ll use.

Jackie: Well, maybe it is.  I’m not talking about being that blunt.  I’m not talking about being that blunt, and saying you’ve got to get this or else, or whatever.

Alan: And as I say, in every religion, you have little keys to truths which are buried from the masses, because they’re never really explained to the masses by the priests or preachers who are set up there.  And even in the West, for the Christian side, they have the same thing.  They tell you a little story, a little allegory, with a truth contained within.  And in the West, it was Jesus, and his family comes to visit, and wants to get to the head of the crowd, and right up to Jesus.  And he’s told they’re there in the audience, and he says, “Well, who is my mother?  Who is my father?  Who are my brothers and sisters?”  Meaning, those of the same mindset were really his family.

Jackie: I think people will understand that.  Don’t you?  That we have.

Alan: They might understand it, but they don’t understand the truth of it, you see.

Jackie: You mean, the truth of the fact that those of us who are really family are of the same mind.  You think they don’t understand.

Alan: Definitely, or they’re walking on the same path.  Or there’s someone behind you somewhere.

Jackie: There you go.

Alan: But regardless.

Jackie: Yeah.

Alan: You’ve broken out of the traditions.

Jackie: There you go, yes.

Alan: You’ve broken away from, you’ve already broken away from what was supposed to be the set of norms, and you have to accept that you are giving up that.  And that was the whole point of truth.  There are no guarantees with it.  It doesn’t say you’re going to have perpetual bliss.  That’s for the New Agers that think themselves in fantasy, and purr, as I say, like a cat forever.  Truth will take you through mountains and valleys.

Jackie: And so will love, won’t it, Alan.

Alan: Oh, that too, because with everything, there are two sides of everything.

Jackie: Yes.

Alan: You can’t truly have a picture of anything, unless you truly experience both sides;  the pain, the ecstasy, everything.  These are all growing experiences.  And it’s out of all of these things that the spiritual side will develop.  You can’t do it without it.

Jackie: The spiritual side will develop.

Alan: Yeah.

Jackie: Yes.

Alan: You cannot bypass it.  You can’t take shortcuts.  You can’t just throw down money and say, teach me this.  And I’ve had offers.  One guy offered $140,000 if I’d just give him the bottom line.

Jackie: The bottom line of what?

Alan: Truth and reality.

Jackie: Like you know it.

Alan: Yeah, here’s the money, give me my copy.

Jackie: And then, anything you say to him, he’ll say, that’s it, because Alan Watt said it.  That’s the guru.

Alan: Yeah.

Jackie: That’s what I told you last night, Alan.  This isn’t funny really.  It isn’t funny.

Alan: But that’s how people are.

Jackie: No, that isn’t how people are.  That’s how people are with you.

Alan: There’s a lot of people, a lot of people are like that.  And if you think I’m wrong, just look at the professional gurus in California.

Jackie: Alan.  I know that, I understand that, but what I’m saying is, I said this last night that you have become like a guru to a lot of people.

Alan: Yeah, that’s why I keep telling them.

Jackie: And they think you know everything.

Alan: Yeah.  That’s why I tell them, you know, don’t become me.

Jackie: Or believe everything I say.

Alan: You have to think for yourself.  That too, check everything.  And you must find yourself.  You must find who you are.

Jackie: That’s good.  Last night, when we were talking, and I mentioned to you, some, and I’m switching us grossly here, but it’s kind of in the same vein.  You had mentioned, back in May, in fact, I checked on the date, because I wanted to make sure.  It was the 17^th of May this year, and that was when you said you talk to people one on one, and you’re deprogramming them, and then you’re reprogramming them.  And last night I asked you, who has the right to program anybody.  And you said, well, you know, the best you can do is to give them a place to go or a start.  And I said, is that what you mean by reprogramming. And you said, no.  And so, I wonder, when you talk about programming somebody’s mind, Alan, do you, or does anybody have a right to do it?

Alan: You do if they’re completely, utterly at their wit’s end.

Jackie: Programming their mind.

Alan: Many, many of them are at their wit’s end.  Dangerously so.

Jackie: What does programming somebody’s mind mean then.  Because maybe I’m looking at it.

Alan: When you deprogram someone, you can’t leave a blank sheet, or you’ve got a zombie.

Jackie: So you reprogram.

Alan: You give a basic there, a basis for them to begin with.  What they do with it is up to them.

Jackie: Okay.  So, you’re not really programming somebody’s mind.

Alan: No, I’m not.  I’m not indoctrinating anybody.

Jackie: Well, that’s what you’re said, you’re reprogramming them.

Alan: No, I’m not indoctrinating anybody, Jackie.  I know you want to believe that, because you keep saying it over and over, and I’ve told you I’m not doing that.

Jackie: No, excuse me, Alan.  No you said reprogramming, and I heard reprogramming, that’s why I asked you to explain it the way you meant it.

Alan: If someone asks you for reality, what would you call what you give them?

Jackie: If somebody asks.

Alan: A suggestion?

Jackie: Excuse me.

Alan: Is it a suggestion or a truth?

Jackie: If somebody asks for reality, I wouldn’t know what to give them, because I don’t know what is reality.  I don’t.  I’m not there, Alan, you know, that I have every answer.

Alan: Well, what you give them, if they can handle it, is a basic platform to begin with.

Jackie: Like.

Alan: And if they want to go on with it, they can carry on themselves, or they can get back to you.

Jackie: Okay.

Alan: But at least they’ve got more to stand on than they had before.

Jackie: Okay.  Well, that isn’t programming somebody’s mind.  Not in the way I took it.  And thank you, Alan.

Alan: It’s not mind control.  It’s not mind control.

Jackie: Now, well, you used the word reprogramming, and you know, that has been such a topic of our conversations, how peoples minds have been programmed that when you said, I reprogram them, as I said, it slipped me by, when you first said it, and then I thought about it, and I said, wait a minute reprogramming.

Alan: Listen, let me put it straight to you and then you can get off the topic.  If someone asks me for a truth, and they’re in a bad way, I’ll ask them how bad they are.  I’ll ask them what they’ve already looked at.  I’ll see where the core of their problem lies, and if they’re really serious, and I think they’re in trouble, I will give them a basic, grounding to stand on.  But as I say, I’d leave it to them where they go with it.

Jackie: That’s good.  That isn’t programming somebody’s mind.

Alan: It’s all semantics.

Jackie: It’s a word that we’ve used a lot, and you have to forgive me, Alan.  You gave me what I was asking for.

Alan: Jackie, you won’t let it go, will you?  We should move over this, and go on to the next thing, because it’s explained.  Unless you don’t think it is explained.

Jackie: No, it isn’t that I don’t think it’s explained.  No.  But it.  I know, but I’m going to say something else about it again, and then you’re going to say, you won’t let it go, will you.

Alan: But you won’t you see.  If something is your bondage, you won’t let it go.  If it wasn’t bugging you, you’d let it go.  So, there’s another reason why it’s bugging you.

Jackie: And maybe it’s bugging you.  Maybe I’m bugging you, Alan.

Alan: If you keep on about it, there’s an intent somewhere, which is different from what I’m hearing.

Jackie: Okay, so in other words, I won’t have the last word.  And then everything.

Alan: If that’ important.  If that’s important.  That’s silly.  Yeah.

Jackie: You really have a way with words, don’t you, Alan.

Alan: Not words.

Jackie: Yes.

Alan: It’s not words.

Jackie: Okay.  Alright.  Well, so, we have ten, about ten minutes left here.  Where do we go with this?

Alan: Well, the topic really is about a spiritual side of someone who’s breaking out of this conditioned reality, where everyone has had the same conditioning.  Minor variations, minor degrees of different things, maybe even abuse, because it’s an abusive system.  And however, we’ve all gone through the same spectrum road, you might say.  To be trained in the same things, the same ways of looking at things, the same understandings and conclusions, and that’s mass indoctrination.  It’s a lifelong indoctrination, where we don’t have to think for ourselves.  The answers are debated on television by experts, and we pick the one we like best.  That’s why they always give you two opposing sides, to politics or what a president just said, or whatever.  Everything is given to us on a plate.  And we don’t really participate in anything, see.

Jackie: And we’ve talked about this, many, many times, haven’t we.

Alan: Yeah, and so therefore, if you truly want to break out of the system, you have to take the responsibility of having a purpose now.  You have a purpose.  Most people who don’t really know what’s wrong, will be told by the system, that it’s themselves that’s wrong.  Therefore they go to psychiatrists or councilors or therapy meetings or group meetings and so on, and yet, still inside there’s an emptiness there, and it’s because they have no purpose.  No real reason for being.  And that gnaws away at them.  So, when you break out of the box, and you realize, wait a minute, you can be quite correct with what you’re saying, as a minority of one.  You don’t need the majority vote here, or the majority conclusions, and so it’s alright to be different from the rest.  And you’ve broken free. And you are breaking free.  And you take the consequence, yeah.  You might be lonely at times, but there’s an added benefit, because now your mind is totally free.  And it becomes more free all the time.  The more you want to hang on to things, the more it will hold you back.  The more depressed you’ll become on and off, and you’ll go through a roller coaster, until you understand that you don’t belong to the same people any more.  You’ve moved on.

Jackie: And the spiritual side of that individual, that is the beginning of the development.

Alan: It’s a road, yep.  It’s a road.  And sometimes it doesn’t seem clear.  But, if the tragedies happen, the hope happens as well, and the reality of the fulfillment of the hope happens.  As I say, you have mountains and valleys, and each time, your mind really expands with understanding, and you think you’ve reached the top of a mountain, you’re down in a valley again to digest it for a while, before you go up the next mountain.  There’s so much to know.

Jackie: That’s like being the little, the big frog in the little pond, and then when you come to a new understanding, you’re like the little tiny frog in a great big huge pond.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: Yes.

Alan: And so, you’ve got to, it’s a matter of leaving behind and taking the risks.  Leaving behind all that was to become something that will be.  And the choice is yours, but you have to let go of many things too.

Jackie: Yes.  And I’m going to repeat what you said, is that, there are people, right now, who are breaking out of that.  And it is the beginning of their journey.  And that was, I’m not sure that I express myself in the way that.  Well, I grope for words, Alan.  But when we were talking about people being on different paths or different levels.  I don’t know the words that would be appropriate there, but you just said it, and I appreciate that.  That everybody is on, just awakening, opening their eyes, it’s just an ongoing and ongoing process, and there are many different stages of that.

Alan: Yeah.  And that’s what I’m saying.  Sometimes you get a glimpse of a higher truth, that can be almost overwhelming, and that’s the reward that you’ve really sought.  And it comes in different periods and each one is worth all that you think you may have lost.  But by that time, anyway, you know that you’ve really lost nothing at all.  You’ve gained far more than most people.  And as I say, you’ve overcome the world, a tremendous breakthrough.  Tremendous breakthrough.  Tremendous.  Against all odds.

Jackie: Are you saying that that very beginning is overcoming the world, because that first step is taken, Alan?

Alan: When, you’ve cast off everything and reevaluated everything, because you have, you’ve changed.  Once you’ve changed completely, you will see everything differently, everything.

Jackie: Yes.

Alan: You would have a deeper insight into yourself.  Into why you used to think this way, even about acquaintances or loved ones and so on, but, at the same time, you’ve now broken through and left them.  It made be sad to say, but you’ve left them.  And you must go on from there, and go higher.

Jackie: And maybe we’ve let them, or maybe the separation just happened.

Alan: Yeah, you know, it’s a separation.

Jackie: And there’s just one more, and once again, I’ll ask your forgiveness when I ask this question, it isn’t to be argumentative, but to get in my mind the cognitiveness, of this message.  Because, you said, a couple or three times, when people begin to suddenly awaken, the spiritual side then will begin to develop, and then, in the past, and at other times, everybody doesn’t have spirit. We have to call it to us.

Alan: It’s something that comes to you.  And it’s not channeling or even asking for something to come to you.

Jackie: It’s just something that is within.

Alan: You know, that there’s a knowledge coming closer and closer as you seek the same thing, you’re seeking it, it’s coming closer and closer.  And as I say, when you die to the old world system, and it’s old values, and indoctrinations, then it happens much quicker.  Not everybody can pass everything on.

Jackie: The differentiation that I hope to make here, is because you had said on one program, not Sweet Liberty, that there is a spirit that’s made for everybody, but we have to call it.

Alan: That’s what they always called your, your true soul mate is what they used to call it.

Jackie: And then you said, spirit doesn’t always come to everybody.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: Well, do you.  What does that mean?  Does that mean that there’s something.

Alan: It doesn’t come, because you see, not everybody is honest about the thing in the first place, honest with themselves.

Jackie: No, we’re talking about people who are calling spirit to them, and spirit doesn’t always come.

Alan: Yeah, and you don’t have to call it that either, you can call it anything you want.  It’s wisdom.  It’s something much bigger than all of this.  Much, much bigger.  It’s not traditional channeling or spirit guides, or stuff like that.

Jackie: No, I’m not talking about that Alan.

Alan: It’s way beyond all of that, and it’s always been the same in every age.

Jackie: And it is within each and every one of us.

Alan: It’s, the innate capacity would be there.

Jackie: Yes, that would be it, wouldn’t it?

Alan: Would be there, however there’s also choice of the physical, and the physical person as well has a personality.  And most choose never to go in that direction.

Jackie: In what direction?

Alan: To seek something bigger.  The other part.

Jackie: Oh, no, but I was talking about those who were seeking.

Alan: Yeah, they truly are seeking, and they’ve been honest with themselves, because you can’t get it, it won’t happen, it won’t happen unless you can stand back and look at yourself, and your whole life, and everything you’ve ever done in your life.  It won’t happen otherwise.

Jackie: And that’s like calling something into us that isn’t there.  That’s going to make a choice.

Alan: That would be another way, yeah.

Jackie: That’s going to make a choice whether we’re going to get it or not.  See, that’s kind of a hopelessness, isn’t it Alan.

Alan: It’s hopeless for people like that.

Jackie: Is it?

Alan: You can’t take who you are with you, with the guarantees that you will be you.

Jackie: But somebody who dotes on you, and everything you say, and they’re truly wanting truth, and they’re seeking and they’re calling, and they hear, well, spirit doesn’t always come.  And you know what, I’ve talked to people who have gotten very upset with wondering, is spirit going to come when they call.  We’re out of time.

Alan: You can’t whistle for it, no.

Jackie: I know.

Alan: No.  It will come when you are honest with yourself.

Jackie: It will come.

Alan: When you are honest with yourself and about yourself.