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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Wednesday. It is the last day of our week. For those of you who may be listeners from time to time we've been broadcasting three nights a week now since December and today is Wednesday the 23rd of February in the year 2005. Alan Watt is with us tonight and I'm glad you've joined us folks.

I want to begin here with our spiritual message. Alan came on with us last night at about 10 after, 12 after the hour and we got into a conversation just at the end of that hour that was very intriguing so I asked him to please come back this evening so that we could pick it up where we left off and we're going to do that.

Our spiritual message this evening is from John 12 and this begins with verse 44:

            "Jesus cried and said, he that believes in me believe not in me but in Him that sent me and he that sees me sees Him that sent me. I come as light into the world that whosoever believe in me should not abide in darkness."

He also said, "If any man hear my words and believe not, I judge him not for I came not to judge the world but to save the world."  He also said in John 18 that he came into this world to bear witness unto the truth.

Alan, thanks for being with us here tonight.

Alan:  Yes, it's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Oh you're so nice and clear there. What occurred to me as I was reading this is that many people take this literally and say well that proves that Jesus was God because he said that, "When a man sees me that he sees Him who sent me," and would you comment on that please.

Alan:  He's talking about a different deity. He's talking about the Creator, as opposed to the man-made lawgiver.

Jackie:  Yes and the fact that he said when you see me you see the Father or you see him who sent me, to me the interpretation well that proves that he was saying I am God I believe what he was saying here is that I am representative of that which is true and that which is light et cetera. He who sent me has given me these words.

Alan:  He also said that the Father was in him and that those who understood him, who tuned into the same wavelength, then he was also in them; and so it was a raising of consciousness as well to truth as they say in an era where their whole lives up until then had been run by tyrannical laws and law givers, and he was giving the truth out you see.

Jackie:  Right. The Pharisaical doctrine, is that what you mean?

Alan:  There were so many laws that you couldn't help but break a few before you got out of your house in the morning.

Jackie:  And then you got to be a sinner.

Alan:  Yes and of course as long as you paid money for something to be sacrificed, then it was okay. It was a good cash going business.

Jackie:  We are going to get back to what you were talking about last night, but you had made a statement, dog gone it. Sometimes my thoughts are so fleeting, Alan. Okay, I'm going to have to let that go because it was there and then it's gone. Last night, we were talking about the name of "God" of the Old Testament and in the Old Testament of course he said to his chosen people that when I made my covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob they knew me only as Lord God Almighty but I'm going to take you to be my people. I will be to you a god in my name or you will know me as Jehovah. What I mentioned last night is I get letters from people and emails and say his name was Yahweh and so in other words evidently the difference in the name takes away from everything that this god "Jehovah" of the Old Testament did and said.

What you mentioned is the fact that the belief was that if you had the name of the god – how did you express that, Alan?

Alan:  It was traditional in the entire Middle East that if you had the name of a god, a demon or genii, the genie in the bottle, then you had power over that entity to command that entity and that was the little game supposedly Moses was playing with the deity when he appeared as a burning bush. It's all allegory you see but he wanted to know the deity's name so he could have control over the deity and so the deity answered, "I am that I am."  That's all he would say at that particular point. The Jehovah of Yahweh thing came in much later. Of course it's nothing to do with an actual single entity as such, except in a very obscure form. See, the deity that they worshipped initially was the volcano god.

Jackie:  Did he have a name?

Alan:  The Greeks called it Vulcanos--

Jackie:  Would that be Vulcan?

Alan:  Mr. Spock, yes, pure logic, and of course if you came down a mountain you wouldn't be surprised to see bushes burning if it was a volcano and that's why they said they were led by a pillar of smoke by day and fire by night. It was a volcano you see and it was a much earlier story that the priests had adopted into this.

Jackie:  But that doesn't really make sense that they were led by a volcano because the volcano is there static and supposedly--

Alan:  No. What it means is they were led by a pillar of smoke. In other words, all they saw was the pillar of smoke. That was their landmark.

Jackie:  Oh, a landmark. Oh, the fire by night and the smoke by day.

Alan:  That's what it means.

Jackie:  And that's like the three wise guys following the stars.

Alan:  That's the same thing, yes. It's mystical language which paints a picture and if it's instilled early enough in a child's mind they will always remember that exoteric picture which seems real to them and they'll never figure out the esoteric story behind it. It's a clever technique which was deliberate. Language and the way it's used is very deliberate in these instances. Anyway, he started off as the Volcano God and he was also known in the Old Testament as the God of Thunder. Volcanoes also boom and bang and of course that's also associated with the thunder so he was the Sky God.

Jackie:  Wasn't Thor the God of Thunder?

Alan:  That's right. All these ancient religions were connected at one time and what they said was that eventually that God was in command of the earth, everything on the earth, all the species that walked the earth, the air itself and the rain itself and so that's where they came with earth, fire, wind and water. What that also means is opposites, because behind the religion is an esoteric religion behind the story form that you're told. This comes down through all Freemasonry and all religions, even Hinduism has it incorporated into it, that the world is run by opposing forces and so the simplest form is your seasons. You have your summer and your winter and your fall and your spring, and they also say that for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. Then if you delve back into the religion of the Babylonians where all this stems from, and Egypt and the Greeks in fact, they believed that there had to be a balance, always, between the forces of this or that – not necessarily good or evil because those are subjective terms according to the appropriation of it. Therefore, if it was out of balance one way, things could never be placid in the world and therefore they always had to keep this balance you might say between authority and freedom. The very same thing we're hearing from the Bush Administration today.

Jackie:  Like what?

Alan:  How much freedom are you willing to give up for security? It's a balance you see and if you read the books that many of the elite have written and the planners have written themselves, like those of Bertrand Russell, they go through this whole process of saying—and they knew their histories since they were historians and philosophers—they said the problem the elites have always had was deciding how much freedom to give the general common people and maintain authority over them at the same time. Of course, as they came up towards the 20th century, they got more in detail with the fact you'd have to lose freedom for the masses and the masses would definitely have more control over them as they came into this technological society. Then, for the 21st century, it was to be a century of increasing encroachment of bureaucracies to cover every facet of life and living for the general common people.

Jackie:  Yes, that's right out of the Talmud, isn't it?

Alan:  It's Talmudic too because the Talmud is a just a book of the same stuff.

Jackie:  That's what the thought that I lost there for a minute is that I recall you saying that the Talmudic laws, actually, if you really read it all or get into it, when they say that they intend to have total dominion over this physical world including the inhabitants here, that even the most personal functions let's say of the body et cetera, they have laws governing it. You did say that, yes?

Alan:  Well, I don't know if I said it but I know it's true. They do have all these laws of hygiene, laws of virginity, laws of pre-marriage examinations for virginity and so on and so on. Everything is law, laws. It's legalized and of course you probably read in the Masonic books they talk about "as above so below." Thousands of years ago when they gave birth to the Great Plan or the Great Work they used the stars and drew their plan you might say into the stars and of course each constellation has a period of rulership, so these were time periods as each constellation took its lead to rule. They worked out what would be done during those 2,000-odd year periods and for the time of Jesus, the fish, Pisces, and that was the earliest symbol of Christianity was the fish. Wherever they went in Europe these monks always drew in stone the fish and that was their symbol that they'd been there, so they were the Age of Pisces and that's why Jesus says, "I'll make you a fisher of men," you see. It's all allegory of a plan you might say.

Jackie:  What did he mean when he said that or do you think that was something they said he said?

Alan:  No. It was a preexisting religion which everyone knew it was partly Gnostic, which preexisted that period and co-existed with it. The Greeks talked about it. Plato talked about the fishermen of men. These would be people who were specially trained in the mysteries who would be sent out to gain discipleship and who would then spread this technique, which was actually to end up ruling the world in a perfect system. They believed that these disciples would pick leaders as children, train them to be philosopher kings. In fact, Alexander the Great was trained by Aristotle who was a pupil of Plato; Plato was a pupil of Socrates who had to drink the Hemlock as a punishment for trying to corrupt the youth, so they were using the youth, training them to go out into the world and create revolution. Alexander the Great was trained by Aristotle for the role that he was to take, so these were called "the fisher kings," that's what the term means.

Jackie:  Is that anything to do with the miter that the Pope wears?

Alan:  It does. Oannes was the fish-god as they say.

Jackie:  Who was that?

Alan:  Oannes was the name of that deity. Anyway, the fisher king was a principle where they would literally bring up a youth for a leadership role, indoctrinate him in philosophy and logic and his role would be to lead the world into the perfect "Republic" as Plato called it, which was a world which would be run by a guardian class. The guardian class were to be the elite aristocracies of the world and below them they would have the helping class, which would be the army, the military eventually incorporating females into those militaries. They hoped to then breed the female soldiers with the male soldiers and they would become the offspring that would obviously take the same roles. Below them, there were the working classes who would be specially bred for the tasks that they had to perform through selective breeding. If you wanted an apple picker, as Plato said, you would pick a tall thin guy and breed him with a tall thin female. If you want a miner, you breed a small squat guy with a small squat woman; and this was talked about 2,400 years ago. Anyway, they sent out these fisher kings to create revolution and also each revolution was to create a larger and larger empire and ultimately they would end up with a world empire. That was the whole agenda and of course Plato himself had been taught in Egypt, as all the aristocracy of Greece was, they were taught the mystery religions in Egypt, but everything that came out of Egypt always led to revolution in those countries that those students went back to. That's the key to it and of course revolution is a circle, you see. To revolve is to draw a circle. That's why they use the word revolution. That's why the term "revelation" is just vowel away from "revolution," just the alteration of a vowel.

This was planned a long, long time ago. Jehovah, which basically is the balancing of opposites, and if you've got a bit of paper there I can show you how to draw it.

Jackie:  I'm taking notes right now.

Alan:  Okay. You draw the letter X and on the bottom right-hand side put down YOD or YH.

Jackie:  How do I spell that?

Alan:  You can spell it anyway you want, that's why they left the vowels out of those. There were no vowels in fact in the early Hebrew.

Jackie:  That would be the "Y" for Yahweh, Yahvey?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And the bottom right-hand corner YOD.

Alan:  Put down YOD and then next to that you put down fire, and then you follow that line up to the top left and you put HAY and next to that you put AIR. Then you go to the next line, top right, and you put HAY, which is water.

Jackie:  Well how can HAY be water and air?

Alan:  VAY is AIR so put a "V" for air. Then for the water you put HH. You can say HEY if you want and then follow that down to the bottom left and you've got VAH, which is EARTH.

Jackie: Well Yahweh I thought was YHVH so we have right now YVVH.

Alan:  You've got Y, then you've got H, then you've got the V--

Jackie:  For air?

Alan:  Yes and a W, which is a V again, isn't it? Because they pronounce it V. What it's showing you is the opposites. Fire is opposite air and water is opposite earth. Water is a feminine symbol. Earth again is a feminine symbol. It's all to do basically with the balance of nature you might say and the control of nature. Even the name wasn't allowed to be pronounced except once a year by the high priests on pain of death and all the rest of the time they could call the deity Adonai, but they were not allowed to use that word--

Jackie:  Did they know that this was all allegory?

Alan:  No, the general public wouldn't know.

Jackie:  When you said that they were only allowed to say the name once a year, that would have been the general public?

Alan:  Yes. The high priests, even they didn't say it in public except on that one day of the year on some big service, but the general public wouldn't know what the inner meanings were – just like you accept the name of Jesus as Jesus and don't say: what does it mean?

Jackie:  But the insiders are the priests?

Alan:  Oh yes.

Jackie:  They knew that it was allegory. In other words did they know that Jehovah or YHVH was an allegory and it was not a "God," it was not an entity?

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Or a spiritual being but it was just an allegory. So in other words it kind of comes back to the fact that the religion had everything to do with this physical world and nothing to do with the spiritual or the dimensions let's say beyond the third dimension?

Alan:  No. In fact in the early Old Testament you'll see that there's nothing spiritual in it.

Jackie:  No, there isn't. You're right.

Alan:  There's no afterlife. You're dead, you're dead. You go and lay with your father and that's the end of it. The whole goal was to obtain wealth and happiness in this life.

Jackie:  That's right and I do recall because I really paid attention to it when Jehovah was handing down the mandate that if you do my statutes you will be blessed and then he gave all the blessings. Well, all the blessings were earthly. It was wealth and everything earthly and then of course if you didn't follow the statutes, well then the curses were just unbelievable. It went on for a page and a half including cannibalism. The parents would eat their own children. Those were the curses but I recall nothing that was ever said – for example, when Jesus said store up not your treasures here on earth because where your treasure is your heart is.

Alan:  That's right. Really, any idea of any spiritual nature was a much later edition to it basically for Hebrewism and even then, at the time of Jesus, there were many debates about even that. In fact the main difference with the Sadducees, apart from the fact that they were the nobility, they were the aristocracy that came out of Babylon with the Pharisees, the Sadducees did not believe in an afterlife. That was how they differed from the Pharisees.

Jackie:  Why in the Old Testament, because I don't have it memorized, but I just don't recall Jesus mentioning the Sadducees but it was the Pharisees that were getting his wrath.

Alan:  Yes, because they were the religious rulers you might say and they were becoming more aggressive for power, more determined to get power for themselves, but because they also had an inner religion for themselves, they were a brotherhood you see.

Jackie:  The Pharisees and the Sadducees too?

Alan:  Yes. They still had their differences though, a power struggle. You find that the Pharisees were definitely looking to take over the reigns of complete power and they also believed that no one could really know the Creator deity. That's what they believed, that no one could know. They could say through debating and logic what the Creator was not, but they could not say what the Creator was.

Jackie:  So they actually believed in a Creator?

Alan:  They believed there was a Creator but it was remote.

Jackie:  Not within us?

Alan:  Not within us.

Jackie:  Not in this physical world at all?

Alan:  Basically. However, they did believe that they had a duty – because Judaism is an active religion, it's not passive, and any rabbi will tell you, it's in a lot of their books, it works towards a goal. The purpose of Judaism is to work a goal into the world and to complete a mission you might say and of course the mission ultimately is global government under God's rule and that's when the Creator will come back they claim.

Jackie:  So they do speak of a creator but the "Creator" is not present?

Alan:  That's basically it. What they were left with was a lot of rules and laws and regulations, but within their own religion is a mystery religion to do with the Great Work of working towards this particular goal so they bring everything they claim into balance and magically I guess their Creator just pops back and says well done.

Jackie:  When they say the Creator is coming back are they talking about Lucifer?

Alan:  Well, that's it. Albert Pike himself who was called "The Pope of Freemasonry," which is one of the esoteric sects using all the rites supposedly of Judaism, but they actually go through Judaism all the way to Babylon and Egypt, he said himself that, "make no mistake our God is Lucifer. He is the light bringer," and of course they equate intellect and intelligence with light.

Jackie:  Right and Jesus was talking about light as spiritual, yes?

Alan:  It's almost the same thing because it's truth and so that's how easy it is for two people to say the same thing but both mean different things. The truth that Jesus was saying was basically the individual could literally through austere practices you might say and truthfulness with themselves connect themselves to the Creator.

Jackie:  Become aware of the connection, consciously aware of our oneness with our Creator?

Alan:  Yes and also that you didn't need intermediary; any priests between you and the Creator, which of course would have destroyed the whole control system.

Jackie:  What do you think how it would have turned out because it's very difficult for me to be able imagine this, but if the Old Testament had not been connected to the "New Testament," the gospels et cetera, the confusion wouldn’t be quite as great.

Alan:  It wouldn't have been quite as great. However, we must remember that Christianity from Constantine onwards was basically warped and twisted into the same religion for control purposes. Constantine did not make Christianity the main religion of his day. That's a fable. What he did was stopped all the persecution against Christians. Having an empire, he had many religions underneath him and he himself was a member of them all because he took out insurance policies on every sect that there was. After 325 AD, a few years later, he actually erected a temple to himself as a Son of Mithra, Mithraism, and also allowed himself to be worshipped as a god. He was a shrewd guy. He was a politician and the whole idea was to bring this new up-and-coming religion that grabbed the minds of many common people.

Jackie:  Exactly and combining them. Like in Mystery Babylon religion it explains how the gods of old, the gods and goddesses under Christianity under the Catholic Church became the saints.

Alan:  That's right. It was the same ones the pagans could understand because they had been worshipping the same deities forever and so Hermes became St. Christopher and so on.

Jackie:  And so when people are praying to the saints they're praying to the gods of old?

Alan:  It's the same thing. Psychologically it can give you a certain boost if you believe in it and it makes you feel a bit indestructible if you're getting a hand from somewhere, but this was traditional. These people, remember, the Romans inherited their empire from much older empires, the Greeks and the Egyptians, so they had thousands of years of watching new religions begin, taking them over and using them for their own purposes. They never let anything become independent of its own which would become a problem to the state.

Jackie:  I recall in the book "Mystery Babylon Religion", this by the way, Alan, even though I knew that there were many discrepancies and et cetera in the Bible, I've come a long ways to understand of course, many of us have, but I was in shock as I was ready "Mystery Babylon Religion", it was written by Ralph Woodrow I believe his name was and most of the information was taken from what was his name that wrote "The Two Babylons"?

Alan:  Hislop.

Jackie:  Thank you, but I remember Isis the Queen of Heaven and the way they pictured Isis is exactly the way Mary is pictured as the Queen of Heaven.

Alan:  Well, she always will be. Always was. That's the secret of the sphinx. That is the secret of the sphinx.

Jackie:  What is?

Alan:  The sphinx has the face of a woman and the body of a lion because the solar year or the Great Year in astronomy leads off with Virgo the Virgin and ends with Leo the Lion. That's the whole plan in a circle. That's what the sphinx stands for and the Egyptian year began with Virgo, ends with Leo the Lion, the progression of the equinoxes.

Jackie:  What does that got to do with Mary and Isis?

Alan:  Because it's the same thing. Mary is mother. Mary is also the sea in Latin, water, The Great Mother. In fact once you put it into German it's more like matter, Mutter, which means matter really, so she produces matter, the world of matter, mother. That's why you have Mother Earth. That's from Mary. It's the same thing.

Jackie:  You know the thing is when you think about it, it's so close that it almost merges. I thought at one time I was trying to explain to Chuck the way I was seeing it and I said it was like the razor's edge, the truth and the lie is so close. Then somebody said that it was actually in a sense merging, melding into where there wasn't really an edge at all and when we think about it in real life that in this physical world there is a consciousness in all things. The book that really fascinated me was the "Secret Life of Plants" and I've had my own experiences with plants and realized that they certainly respond. They do respond not just to watering but to care, to love and it isn't like – people who accept and recognize the consciousness they call them tree huggers, I guess, or God is in the tree, but that creative substance within all that is here in the physical world, that the earth itself would have a form of consciousness of type. I'm talking about awareness – well, like a plant. The experiments that they have done with plants where if a plant has been in room where another plant has been torn up by somebody, when that person walks into the room the plant that was there actually registers on their diodes, their instruments register some type of emotion and so there is a consciousness there, but a very low form of consciousness maybe, but the point I'm making is that it doesn’t mean that you worship it. You just accept and understand that that creative substance, that energy or spark or whatever we would call it is within all things.

Alan:  That was the Gnostic concept that preexisted Jesus and was also parallel with the time of Jesus. In fact many of the Gnostics complained to Constantine that he was stealing their religion that had always been there and they claimed that the real Jesus of course in Gnosticism could not be killed because he was pure spirit and that he was not born of a woman because he was pure spirit in fact. There was a tremendous debate in 325 AD to decide as to whether Jesus was pure spirit or was he spirit inside matter that had been born here. I mean they literally debated all this and of course all the Gnostic guys who came up were basically assassinated at the time of the meeting.

Jackie:  Would Arius been one of them in a sense?

Alan:  He was one of many.

Jackie:  According to Will Durant in his fourth volume of Jesus and Caesar, or whatever the title of that is is close. He said that by the 6th century BC if the church was not of the Arius teachings the church was literally empty, so whether that was true or not, that was the way it was presented. The fact that allegedly after the Council of Nicaea, that first council, that many of them who had voted said okay we'll agree that this will be the doctrine of the church. This will be the belief and anybody that doesn't believe it is anathemized and that many of them rescinded their agreeance to that later. Have you read anything that confirms that?

Alan:  There's no doubt that this was to be not just a state religion. It was to be the empire's religion because they themselves knew that they had so many countries under the Roman Empire with so many religions and since they were a secret brotherhood working towards a bigger empire of the future, they knew that they couldn't allow so many religions to exist so they decided to basically create the one. They did a lot of alteration because they had to stamp out the possibility of the Gnostic religion taking over.

Jackie:  The awareness that we are spiritual beings?

Alan:  Yes, that's absolutely right because right from the word go the bishops of Rome were taking upon themselves God's representative on earth. That's it basically.

Jackie:  Like the Pope does?

Alan:  Yes and that came later when they took absolute power and became God's authority on earth. You see the Catholic Church itself was a continuation of rulership and from an empire that existed for a long time, which had taken over from a previous empire which had lasted much longer, so they knew what they were doing. They knew that religion had to be used always as a tool to control the minds of the public. If the public were free from all this mind control they wouldn’t be working happily as slaves you might say to keep a small elite in power. They wouldn't be happy with that. In fact if they followed the teachings of Jesus they'd have no money in circulation and if you can't have money in circulation you can't tax it back from the public. That's why the Catholic Church, although they made a big to-do about they wouldn't allow usury, they made an exception for these Jewish bankers. Well, why would they do that unless they were in cahoots from the very beginning? What you'll find it was simply a continuation of what had already gone on before.

Jackie:  I had a call from a listener after the broadcast a couple of nights ago and he was talking about a broadcast that is on the air once a week and I do not recall the name of the person, but what he was saying is that everybody who is "blaming the Jews for everything have got it all wrong because it's the Jesuits."  My understanding is that all of it, the Catholic Church, the Jesuits, Illuminati, Freemasonry, it's all part of the same controlling factor.

Alan:  They're all faces of the same thing. You see that's what they always couched in Babylon and Egypt. They said that Isis, because these brotherhoods refer to the mother more than the father amongst themselves, but they said Isis had a thousand faces and that's what they mean by that. Every church you can look at, whether it's Moslem, Catholic, Protestant, whatever, or even the temples of the Shinto, you will seen the same hidden architecture, not so hidden actually, in them all and that's the big secret of course. They always put because they are the builders of society as well as the builders of the building and they put the structure of society in the architecture itself and they also give you all the symbology of the inner religion in all of the temples that they give the public. Things are always hidden out there in plain sight. In fact there was a man recently who came out in Manitoba who is at the University of Manitoba who’s done a four year study on the government main parliament building there for the province. His specialty is studying old architecture and so on and after studying the parliament building for the province, which is the government building, he came to the conclusion and he's got it all worked out perfectly they used the Egyptian Cubit, the Sacred Cubit, to build this thing right down to the last fraction of an inch. They have all the symbols of the outer portico temple and the inner temple in there. I mean the whole structure is a Masonic temple and the big joke of course that they've always known is that all parliament buildings are Masonic temples. All churches are Masonic temples.

As Pike said himself, "everyone who has been trained in the system is simply a Mason who hasn't gone through the degrees." We've all been trained through the school system. We've all gone to their churches regardless of what country we're in. We're all pre-Masonic you might say because we've gone through rituals without even knowing it. When you walk through that oval door into the church you've walked through the female. That's what it means. The spire is the phallus. The box is the female and the opening is the female. It's the mystery religion, we live it, we go through it everyday and most people don't even know it.

Jackie:  Of course we wouldn't know it.

Alan:  That's the big secret. Isis has a thousand faces.

Jackie:  I would like to go back – I made a note here when you said revolution completes a circle and what it means is revolve. Would you expand on that because I'm not getting it?

Alan:  That's why they used the term revelation.

Jackie:  No, but revolution you said. Revolution is to revolve in a circle. What do you mean? That it always comes back to the same thing?

Alan:  It means a new beginning. You go back to the beginning and then you start the next phase.

Jackie:  And revelation is to reveal?

Alan:  To reveal and that's why I'm sure they even created the term revelation.

Jackie:  And revelation reveals their plans.

Alan:  In mystical language.

Jackie:  In mystical language and then Christians are taught to believe it is the prophecy of the time to come, it is God's plan.

Alan:  That's right and it's been drummed into people and people forget that Revelations wasn't taught in Christianity for hundreds of years.

Jackie:  No, I didn't know that.

Alan:  It wasn't until they decided that it would become handy if they put it in there.

Jackie:  You're saying the Book of Revelations was added later?

Alan:  Yes. When they got together at Nicaea they also debated what books or writings that would be put in and what ones would be left out.

Jackie:  Yes and every time they had a new council they made changes, but wasn’t it under the Second Council of Constantinople under Justinian where they had taken so many of the writings out and all of the references to reincarnation?

Alan:  Yes, that was done then because that's still the traditional belief of mainstream Judaism, reincarnation, and of course non-Jews are totally ignorant of that fact. That's always been the inner belief of the average you know--

Jackie:  Well, the ancient eastern religions too.

Alan:  All the way from Egypt and so in the Old Testament--

Jackie:  Didn't you say that has now been admitted and it was fairly recently that the Vatican had apologized?

Alan:  They did admit it in one of their own publications.

Jackie:  And you said there's a Vatican website?

Alan:  Yes and I know they also had their own radio.

Jackie:  Yes, but I'd like to see if there is a publication. Where did you hear that?

Alan:  It was on the Catholic radio. It's WEWN I think they call it. They're always revising things you see and of course the Catholic Church now is in the process really and have been for a while of altering so much within Catholicism to bring it up for the New Age. We forget that the term the New Age was used first by Freemasons in the 1800's and right up until about 1950 or 1960 that was the name of the Freemasonic magazine, "The New Age."  That's where it comes from.

Jackie:  My wondering is that is there an evolutionary process so to speak and I don't mean that like Darwin or something, but where there is like each revolution a revolution of the astrological wheel when you go from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius then that would be termed a New Age. I mean what is it, every 2,400 years or so?

Alan:  25-1/2.

Jackie:  So the word new age really doesn't mean anything evil but yet it appears to me – there's a book that I've got here and I don't remember which one it was but it was about the Knights Templar and towards the end of the book they were talking about the New Age and it was so clear to me that what they have done is taken a natural occurrence if you would and just gained control of it and warp and twist anything, truth that could come out of it.

Alan:  The New Age to them is utopia. You have to see it from their point of view as controllers and from the ones who follow it. The followers never know what's going on. They think they do. In fact they often are brainwashed into wanting it to come on, but for the controllers it's their age of peace and tranquility because they plan to alter man or humankind so much that no one will be able to cause trouble of any kind by having independent thought; and that's what they mean. They'll have a perfect peace when everyone is chipped and cloned and all the rest of it.

Jackie:  Total absence of resistance to their plan.

Alan:  Absolutely. When individual consciousness in the masses has been eliminated then they will have succeeded – even that meeting they had at Loyola University two years ago with the geneticists funded by the U.S. government and they talked about that, that once this chip is implanted, which they have, into the human brain it will be the end of individual consciousness. Each person will be unable to perceive themselves as a distinct individual.

Jackie:  In that that chip actually has part of the human DNA in it?

Alan:  Basically, it's a combination of silicon and human protoplasm.

Jackie:  So it merges with the brain cells itself?

Alan:  It literally will bind itself to the nervous tissue right into the path of the brain.

Jackie:  And you said that they had said they will hear the whispering of the thoughts of so many other people.

Alan:  Who are all linked to central computers; and I thought this is the Borg of Star Trek. They showed us the Borg, but they plan on doing this and they say their only problem now is convince the public to accept it. They said all media, entertainment, cartoons et cetera will promote this as a positive thing and sure enough now there's movies out and science fiction like the "Mosaic," a terrible movie, but two dumb guys who probably left school at 15 going nowhere get chipped and can speak 20 languages, know kung fu, karate, et cetera and become super-spies. They're already doing it. The U.S. Department of Commerce sponsored and paid for that world meeting.

Jackie:  That's not surprising, is it, Alan?

Alan:  No, because we are the commerce.

Jackie:  We're out of our hour and the sad thing is that if you try to explain to a parent why cartoons are dangerous it's almost impossible to do. It just doesn't sink in because it keeps the children occupied. Alan, thank you so much for being here tonight.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Monday the 28th of March in the year 2005 and this is day 11 for Terri Schiavo without water, without food and we heard today that they are going to have an autopsy done after Terri's death so they can prove that there was no foul play by Michael and of course we know that whatever is said will just be more of their lies.

Our spiritual message this evening is the same as we have been doing for the last couple of weeks, from Matthew. This is something for us to consider all around, not just relating to Terri Schiavo.

            "For I was hungry and you gave me meat. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took me in naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came unto me inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these my brethren ye have done it unto me."

That is a quote, a statement that is attributed to Jesus and he did say that "I and my father are one. He is in me as I am in you and you are in me," and that's what I get from that, ladies and gentlemen. We're not going to spend the broadcast talking about Terri. Our heart is with her. Our love is with her and we posted a couple of weeks ago when the U.S. Congress was going to get involved here and we had posted a piece and I said well good news but the U.S. Congress doesn't do anything. The U.S. Congress critters don't do anything other than what their masters tell them to do and one of the statements that I made is that we have to be alert because we should be aware of what could be going on in the background behind the scenes while all our attention is on Terri Schiavo. Tonight our guest is Alan Watt. I called Alan late this afternoon. I thought well maybe I'll ask Alan to come on and ask him to give us his sage insight into what is happening and has been happening is what we're going to talk about, ladies and gentlemen. Alan, thanks for being here with us tonight.

Alan:  Yes. It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Yes, always. So behind the scenes what are your – just some insight or your thoughts. I mean we know that the mainstream media has not brought this out the way it has for nothing.

Alan:  It was a blitz across every border, every country. It was what they call in freemasonry a "must be."  It's a "must be" and it was portrayed in exactly the same format on every station where the public have been brought through and participated in a psychodrama. An occult psychodrama and they've been brought to the conclusion carefully by the magicians the masters wanted in the first place, which is the right of courts to declare their right and authority for euthanasia. Euthanasia is the word for it you see. They never use that and on all the stations they never used the word euthanasia and so without even a debate on congress the government is putting down on its books as a precedent the right to euthanize who they decide and, of course, life support is not having a feeding tube in you, you see, so they have given themselves--

Jackie:  Artificial life support they're calling it. Alan, I didn't mean to interrupt but I read a quote today. I think it was by Thelos or by one of the doctors that testified that she was PVS and he said that even a person who cannot bring a spoon up to their mouths. In other words, it doesn't matter if you can swallow or not, if you have to be fed by someone else then it's time for you.

Alan:  That would take most of the traffic victim accidents that are in hospitals for a few months and then out again. In other words, what they wanted to get through for a long, long time is the right for the courts to declare the right for euthanasia, condemn who they wish to and even use a non-medical term that you can stretch like a rubber band and say you're in a "vegetative state," which is a non-medical term. It's like "democracy," it can be stretched as far as they wish it to be stretched and the public have gone along with this because they swallowed the "vegetative state" or "weapons of mass destruction" repetition and of course now they're out putting their living wills together as they've all been advised to, which is the next big con.This living will thing, every station in Canada, like the U.S., does exactly the same thing. They gave you this spiel with the vegetative state repetition and they then talk to experts to advise everyone to get living wills and of course if you look at one of the biggest industries today, it's the organ donor industry. You'll see that the most expensive organs are those taken from a body where the heart is still beating but they're declared brain dead and so this follows right into their agenda because they always make a profit off the human misery they cause. Since we are nothing but the sheep, then it makes perfect sense they've done it in this format; but Joe Public has passively given his consent to having himself euthanized in the future, with or without a living will, because it makes no difference in the end if the courts have the rights to decide. They can overrule whatever they want. It's a psychodrama where they've brought the whole public in on the act, just like they did with the killing of Kennedy. It was broadcast all over the world over and over and over and so this is deliberate, very carefully constructed. There was no variation on the presentation of this from station to station, whether it was radio, television or whatever. It is all the same.

We're going down path they wish. They put these same laws through in Holland and you wouldn't believe where these laws have now ended up with the public. It started off with people who were brain dead supposedly and now there's so many lawsuits where they've inadvertently killed the wrong people by mistaking their tags and it goes on and on and on, plus they're making a tremendous profit from the organ donation from the live bodies. Yes, psychodramas of immense proportions.

Now while that was all happening on the 23rd, President Bush had a meeting with Fox and Prime Minister Martin of Canada and they signed into agreement the Unification of the Americas. I don't think they even broadcast it on the U.S. television as to what they'd done, but in Canada they certainly did show us little bits of it, censored though it was, where they admitted that they're going ahead and within four years there will be no borders as such.

Jackie:  So that anybody thinking about leaving the U.S. and moving to Canada may as well hang that up.

Alan:  Yes, because there is to be a common passport and they've got the pictures of it in the newspapers up here and it's biometric with their eye scan and it's got eye scan, thumbprint, everything on it and it's all ready to go. However, it's being constructed in exactly the same way as the European Union, where after they sign it into law basically you are part of the one continent from then on, so we are already, and they talked about they've already merged the military and the CSIS.

Jackie:  That certainly would include Mexico too, wouldn't it?

Alan:  Yes. It does and so all your CIA and so on are all combined with CSIS and so on. All law enforcement is combined.

Jackie:  What's CSIS?

Alan:  That's our version of the same thing. We call it "Big Sis." They're also bringing in a common currency eventually. They admitted that; common taxation, common rights to all natural resources and the bureaucrats from one country can move to the other country's government and work there if they wish to. This is all in process right now.

Jackie:  Alan. I'm sorry that phone call was the second one I have received and Eleanor called up the first one. I turned my mike down so we wouldn't interrupt your flow of talk. She said that we started out really nice and clear and she said now it's so muffled that you can't even hear us and I gave her WWCR's phone number for them to call. She said well I think it is WFAR if it isn't muffled on the internet it isn't from WFAR because WWCR picks up the signal off the internet so I gave Eleanor the phone number and I don't know if any of our engineers at WWCR listen but we need some help here to get a good clear signal out. This was another listener. Eleanor called from Canada. Kate called from New Jersey and she said Jackie I'm sorry but you and Alan are so muffled I cannot make out a word you are saying and we haven't had this happening Alan. We haven't had it happening. Nicholas, if you're listening to this broadcast, would you come in and click in please because I was thinking maybe Nicholas could get a hold of one of the engineers at WWCR.

Alan:  Yes, because I've got a little earpiece here from my radio and it sounds like mush.

Jackie:  Eleanor said it started out clear as a bell. Alan, let us continue as though people can hear us. Did you mention some meeting that was held in Waco, Texas?

Alan:  On the 23rd and they called it "The Three Amigos."

Jackie:  You know, Alan, the thing is this. For me to have sat here and done a radio broadcast as though what's happening to Terri isn't happening I could not do it and I do understand that. I mean I realize when it was all over the media the way it is, I did realize that they were doing it. I mean it was intentional. They never do anything that is not intentional but that's the kind of catch-22 they get us into.

Alan:  It was so obvious because it didn't matter what station you tuned into, radio, AM, television, U.S., Canada, it was the exact same format. They were reading the same scripts, no variation and the constant repetition of "vegetative state," "vegetative state," like "weapons of mass destruction."

Jackie:  You know they did that little – Linda Kennedy calls it an S curve. I'll tell you what happened. There was so many people emailing and calling those broadcasters and the stations saying, here, look at this. Here, look at this. They couldn't avoid it. They had to do it and let me tell you what I heard. I believe it was on the 18th or it might have been the 16th. It was Larry King Live. It was that week anyway. First he had Michael Schiavo and Felos on and then he had Suzanne which is Terri's sister and their lawyer Gibbs on. Then the last one that they had on it was all of them in the same broadcast but not altogether and it was some man from the Bioethics Institute--

Alan:  That's the new name for the eugenics institute.

Jackie:  I know it is. I've got information on it. It's not ethical at all of course. Here's what I noticed and this is how they do their slight little curve. Enough people knew that Terri Schiavo was not in a coma. They saw the videos et cetera and so Larry King was talking to this Arthur guy and he said that when you look at her and you see I mean she makes facial expressions, he says, "that's right".  Larry King said, "that's no coma" and then here's what the guy said. "That's right, you're right, but it doesn’t matter."  See, first of all they started pushing it like she's in a coma – she's been in a coma for 15 years and then it came out that she isn't and that she smiles and cries.

Alan:  I've got a tape of her trying to talk.

Jackie:  Okay, so then here's what the guy said, "but it doesn't matter," he said to Larry King, you're right, she isn't in a coma but he said listen we have a scientologist. We have Jehovah's witnesses who say we don't want your medicine. We would rather pray and he said we don't force it on them so why would we force it on Terri? She does not want to live like this. So you see they came right out and admitted, oh yes, she's not in a coma but it doesn't matter.

Alan:  That's your cognitive dissonance and that's how you get the public to go along with the flow of the way it's presented to them, right to the very conclusion they expect you to reach.

Jackie:  Exactly. It doesn't matter, she wants this and Michael is just fulfilling her wishes. They really did a number on this thing, didn't they, Alan?

Alan:  Well, they achieved three objectives.

Jackie:  Maybe more than three.

Alan:  At least, though. It was slick chess move, one by one and the public have no idea where they're really being led because it's a highly emotive production you see and that's when they get you. They rile you up into emotion and they have the public arguing amongst each other, which is designed, but they always bring you to your conclusion. Number one is the courts have the right to decide who's to be killed and who isn't; and no debate in Congress; and the public, if they acquiesce to that decision, then they have now given their power that that's okay with them. It's now law.

Jackie:  They're showing us that the courts are going to be the law in this land.

Alan:  We're living through psychodramas and they're masonically and occultically created to the tiniest detail because you take the Schindler's List novel and Schindler of course, the whole idea was that he had the right to decide who would live and die of course the parents are called Schindler. You take Terri Schiavo and the name itself and then you put it through the old Celtic name which is used in High Masonry for the "soul eater," which is called a "schriver" and you can certainly make that out of Terri Schiavo. You can put that together and you've got Schriver which is the soul eater and that was someone who was put out there to basically eat the sins of the person if the priests didn't get there in time.

Jackie:  I saw a movie about that, "The Sin Eater".

Alan:  You might have because they once in a blue moon they'll put a lot of that stuff out in movies, but in old history books you'll find that name comes up and in High Masonry they still use it. Right down to the tiniest detail this is an occult psychodrama that we're all being played through, just like all the details that went into the Kennedy assassination.

Jackie:  I've had people email me and say the name Schindler, are they Jews? Are they sacrificing one of their own et cetera and of course Schindler's List, people have connected that name but Schiavo of course that's amazing too, but tell me this. How does it happen – see, this gets really esoteric.

Schindler, okay, here's my thought. This happened to Terri Schlinder-Schiavo and she goes into the hospital and probably from the bone scan and it was said by a close friend she was going to be divorcing him because of the way he treated her and because of his womanizing. That night a friend said why don't you just don’t go home tonight, stay with me. Well, she winds up in this condition. She wasn't party to that. She didn't say, okay, I'll get brain dead because my name is Schindler-Schiavo. Alan, I don't think that Schiavo – I mean maybe he did, but that would be a heck of a reach to say this was all a plot and because the name is Schlinder-Schiavo and it means this and this we'll have him create this drama.

Alan: Yes, but I think things are worked so far in advance even before people get together and I think that's really how occultic everything truly is in this system.

Jackie:  What you're saying then – I mean if they worked this out, that we get beat up, we get strangled, we get made not brain dead or brain damaged because of maybe a fit of anger that a husband got into--

Alan:  Or he was ordered to do it at the right time and believe you me, in this real, real world, that's not beyond them. They plan wars.

Jackie:  They were in their 20s. Do you know they were in their 20s when this happened, Alan? They had only been married five years when this happened. We have to take our half hour break here. Alan, what makes me think of what you just said is that they are beyond occult.They are using the power, the creative energy, misusing it, maybe you could call it black magic, to induce people to do certain things. It's weird. That is warped. That's weird.

Alan:  It's beyond the human capability really, but I've seen it happen so many times it cannot be ignored. The precise detail – when they want a human sacrifice too – and of course it happens around Easter time.

Jackie:  Purim. Purim was just a few days before Easter.

Alan:  And it's all Ishtar anyway so it doesn't matter, but the thing is they go into incredible detail way in advance of the event and have everything perfect to pull it off because it is an occultic drama that the whole of society must participate in.

Jackie:  You know what that reminds me of? For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, powers against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places," and boy, Alan, you know this really behooves us to continue to look at ourselves and be very aware, acutely aware of how we're being, how we're feeling, even our emotions. I mean, see, I'm very clear these past couple of weeks and I haven't even gone to sleep until broad daylight several mornings because I'm sleepless and I actually – it's bright enough that when I go to bed I can sit there and read my books without the lights on. I'm very clear that that state of mind that I have been in and not having been able to somehow bring myself out of it, but I've been aware that how I'm feeling is exactly how they want us to feel.Hopeless, hurting, frustrated, all of those negative types of energies that feed their power because they are the negative.

Alan:  They are the negative and since 9/11, I don't know if people have noticed, but pretty well all authority figures out there from government departments are coming forward with a different demeanor. Even the politicians aren't giving us the same old pretense of joviality and so on We're seeing a new face of dictatorial personalities emerge and that's the new training of the public for the new era and this is again skillfully managed. It's an old technique because these guys go back thousands and thousands of years and we're going into their new phase of a form of dictatorship really.

Jackie:  And the people who are being put in the power places?

Alan:  No one's there by chance or hard work and so they have it all figured out who should be in and where. You have family dynasties here. I mean let's not kid ourselves. We're presented with the choice of this family dynasty or that family dynasty, only to find out that they’re all interrelated anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Jackie:  I remember one time you were talking about the Bush family and you said they're really only twigs on the family tree. Boy, those twigs sure have done their work, haven't they, Alan?

Alan:  They have but they're not the brightest of people.

Jackie:  Yes, I was going to say that. Actually they do nothing. They're just the front piece. Of course Poppy, he's a pretty wicked guy, isn't he?

Alan:  He's more shrewd. He thinks more and he calculates his language more than his son.

Jackie:  And all the son does, the shrub, all he does is stick his chest out and strut with that smirky little smile on his face like he's somebody.

Alan:  When he's got the script there he can read it pretty good, but when he doesn’t have a script there he makes incredible blunders. This is the man that was talking about the French because they wouldn't join his war and he said, "Well the French don't even have a word for entrepreneur."

Jackie:  Like that means something.

Alan:  Well, it is a French word.

Jackie: Oh, it is a French word. Oh my God, Alan.

 

Alan:  Then on the 23rd there when The Three Amigos were meeting to sign us all into one continent and one system, a reporter in the audience asked the main question. He said, "Does this mean it's the exact same format as the European Union?"  And Mr. Paul Martin who is also a lawyer--

Jackie:  And who is Paul Martin?

Alan:  He's the Prime Minister of Canada. He said, "Well it's not quite the big bang," I mean he was off balance but he was trying to give us a very vague answer but George couldn't help himself and he wasn't reading the script and said, "Yes, I see this whole thing based on inter cooperation and closer ties," the exact same phraseology they used when they were bringing Europe together, and he says, "progressing towards a common goal and spreading democracy through the entire continent." Yes, he couldn't help himself. He was too enthusiastic and he gave too much out of the bag really. It was only last year that the British people were given the released documents that had been classified since 1972 when they had actually signed Britain into the Union, sovereignty and all, and it said in the document that the British people must never be told the truth until this is accomplished. Now that's democracy for you. Democracy again is an elastic band that's never had a fixed definition.

Jackie:  You're laughing.

Alan:  Yes, because you have to stand back and look at the farce of it.

Jackie:  But Alan, how do you know all that you know and understand all that you know and can bear it?

Alan:  Because I was born like this. I mean I was a camera for the first five years of just watching and from then on I got to the learning stage to investigate what was going on. When you realize how old this plan is and the techniques used upon nations and peoples are ancient techniques that were known thousands of years ago and they're formulas actually and they were used in ancient times when the international bankers of 2,000 years ago were taking over the Middle East and Aegean Sea. The exact same techniques were used.

Jackie:  The money changers.

Alan:  They had international bankers back then.

Jackie:  You said the money changers were international bankers.

Alan:  They were the bankers but you know you can go into the writings of the old philosophers of Greece and Athens and Attica and so on and some of them actually explain how these guys came in and introduced their coinage, their gold and their silver. They set up local branch offices, branch banks and then once the public were used to using this strange thing called "money" rather than bartering with each other, the bankers would say your money isn't safe out there. Bring it into this branch bank--

Jackie:  And we'll give you paper receipts.

Alan:  What they gave them then was clay facsimiles and they found thousands of jars of this stuff. Clay facsimiles and as soon as the gold and silver was in the local branch bank it was shipped across the sea to the Middle East again and put into the temples.

Jackie:  Let me ask you a question. What's the big deal about gold?

Alan:  Gold of course--

Jackie:  I know it has intrinsic value but there's something about gold that has meant something to them throughout all these years.

Alan:  It's the old god. It's G-Old, Old G, the G of freemasonry that they have in all their symbols.

Jackie:  Gold, is that where the word God comes from?

Alan:  Well, God is also "dog" backwards because the symbol of the god in his night form was the constellation Orion who was always followed by the two dogs, his faithful dogs. Of course, Sirius is the main star that rises and tells them when the Nile flood was coming is the eye of the Canis Major, the dog that follows.

Jackie:  What is the Dog Star?

Alan:  That is Sirius. That's the eye of the dog that follows Orion.

Jackie:  There's something in the bible that that woman that was asking Jesus to help her and he wouldn't and she said I'll pick up the crumbs that you feed the dogs. That's symbolic. What did that mean?

Alan: Well, it's a racist comment if he actually said it. She supposedly replied, yes, but even the dogs will eat of the crumbs.

Jackie:  I didn't believe that he said that.

Alan:  It would have been something if he did.

Jackie:  He wouldn't, yes, exactly.

Alan:  It would negate the whole idea that he was for everyone.

Jackie:  That right. So forget that he said it but they said he said it. What did it symbolize to them?

Alan:  Again, it was to differentiate between who a true Jew was and who a Samarian was because they both come from Babylon. They both had been led out of Babylon and the invading kings who released them from Babylon had first sent out a group who were told you can only study the five books of the Bible and they were then called the "Samarians." Then he sent another group out a few years later who were the rest of the Jews supposedly and they were given also the Babylonian Talmud and they became bitter enemies, these two groups.

Jackie:  Were those the Pharisees and the Sadducees?

Alan:  They were very sad you see.

Jackie:  I have to let Mariah (the dog) out, she's bugging me, so will you explain the books that you have available. I'll be back with you in a minute.

Alan:  I have 3 books put together and they explain some of the occult terminology which is included within religion, because all Masonic temples in the West use the Bible, although they read the esoteric meanings from it, which "the profane," as the rest of the people are called, are not taught in their churches. [See www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering.] If you're interested in learning some of the occult terminology, I'm sure you won't be disappointed with this.

Jackie:  That was just perfect timing. Alan, thanks for coming on tonight.

Alan:  It's no problem. It's a pity the reception is so poor.

Jackie:  I know it is. Maybe I'll just play this tape another time and surprise them and see what happens. This past two weeks that this has been going on, three weeks I guess, I can't even describe to you where I've been because maybe I don't know. You know what I mean, Alan? But it's just nice to have you on for tonight.

Alan:  Well, at least we can shed some other light on it than that which has already been put out there. I don't know if the people also know that that Clearwater area is basically the center for Scientology.

Jackie:  Maybe they don't, but I've got another piece that's going to be posted on our website but Judge George Greer was given an award by the Clearwater Bar Association and you know what it was for? For passing the test. Literally the guy that gave him the award was a lawyer who was a lawyer for Scientology.

Alan:  In fact their main broadcasting station is right next door to the hospital and they have a degreed system because they are a higher freemasonic system you see and the OT8 – the degree of OT8 is the degree where you can kill with a thought.

Jackie:  Are you saying O like the letter O?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  T as in Thomas?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  8?

Alan:  Yes, number 8. That's their 8th degree and--

Jackie:  What does O & T stand for?

Alan:  Well, here's the thing. It's "Satan" with a lisp, because it's the Order of "Thatan," T-H-A-T, you see?

Jackie:  Order of Satan. Oh my God, Alan.

Alan:  The degree of 8, which is "as above, so below," the number 8, is the ability to kill with a thought. It's one of their higher degrees and of course once that's thought and been put on paper by a judge, they just killed with a thought.

Jackie:  Let me tell you something. I've got a quote by Greer and as a matter of fact I've sent it over to Darrin to put up at the very top of Terri's page and basically that's what he said. This girl – that was back at another time when they took out here feeding tube, is not to be fed. This girl is going to die.

Alan:  She starved to death.

Jackie:  It doesn't matter how. Well it does, but--

Alan:  You're starved to death and you die by dehydration. This is murder, obviously.

Jackie:  Well I know that. That's not the point. You just said their 8th degree when it's put on paper.

Alan:  That's them killing with a thought.

Jackie:  That's exactly what he said. "This girl is going to die." Well, it didn't happen then. It’s happening now and Alan, I really believe she has stepped outside of it. I think I've mentioned this to you in our conversations. I call it my twilight zone and sometimes as I'm drifting into sleep by I'm not sleeping and I saw her standing outside of her body and she was very, very peaceful and there was still that life flow, what they call the silver cord. Not that I saw a silver cord but it wasn't like okay Terri's gone "dead." But that she was standing there very peaceful and very lovely and she like you know watching.

Alan:  Well, you know the lawyer for the husband.

Jackie:  Felos.

Alan:  He's also a member of all these groups and in 1991 he was in I think it was "Future Magazine" as a prime advocate for the right of euthanasia and he claims that when he went into see Terri he saw her soul inside communicating with his and screaming to be released. That's what he said.

Jackie:  Do you know what he said a couple of days ago on Network News? That "Terri has never looked so beautiful" and Bobby Schiavo her brother said that is such a lie. But he told his mom don't even go into to see her anymore.

Alan:  No, because she's bleeding from her eyes and nose and so on.

Jackie:  From her tongue is bleeding and Felos to that devil she looked beautiful to him. God, Alan.

Alan:  Well, you know there are creatures from hell unfortunately.

Jackie:  And where is hell, Alan?

Alan:  This is it.

Jackie:  This world.

Alan:  Hella is the Norwegian or Nordic word for the earth, and this is it, folks. You're here and you're certainly being run by the master liars.

Jackie:  And what in the hell are we doing here, Alan?

Alan:  Maybe there's a way out for some people, some of the fallen angels. Maybe they've done some repenting.

Jackie:  Or like you said earlier today when we talking that the good news is that we can wake up in hell.

Alan:  Oh, that's a miracle. That is a miracle in itself when you realize the intense amount of indoctrination that we get as soon as we comprehend what's happening from the system in kindergarten, media, cartoons and school and the media, I mean that's all an intense matrix system to give us a version of reality which most people will never question right to their death and yet it's not happening just in this generation. It's happened for thousands of years.

Jackie:  Well, but you know what? Maybe not this intensely and I think you had said this a long time ago that there is nothing new under the sun and the technology today that you believed they had really advanced further in this time than they have ever advanced before.

Alan:  They've had the knowledge and we definitely know from Francis Bacon's books written in the 1500's and published in 1602 with "The New Atlantis," he's talking about a weather machine to control the weather and earthquakes and storms.

Jackie:  And genetically modifying the plants.

Alan:  Plants and animals and engineering mosquitoes to carry diseases for warfare purposes and this is in the days of the horse and buggy and the candle. 1602 was the first time it was published. It was written in the late 1500's.

Jackie:  "The New Atlantis."  You know, Alan, I never got that book. I called colleges. I just never got that book.

Alan:  It's worth the read because if you can plow through it--

Jackie:  I was trying to find – can I get the real "New Atlantis" like from Barnes & Nobel or something?

Alan:  Yes. They'll have a list of different upgraded additions.

Jackie:  I think I had called and they didn't have any but they could order them for me and you had suggested that colleges will have them and I called colleges up there in the New York phonebook that I had and here in Pennsylvania. None of them have it.

Alan:  You have to make sure you get the proper one by Francis Bacon because the last couple of years they've churned out ones by other authors who've adopted the story and taken it off into outer space.

Jackie:  Right, and I'm not so sure it's all that easy to get today.

Alan:  You'd had to get the reputable authors and you could actually ask for original type in the old language, in other words in the language of that day if you want to. In other words, they haven't been tampered with. They're just straight facsimiles of the original addition.

Jackie:  Would we be able to understand it?

Alan:  You will be. There are some spelling differences.

Jackie:  Well, like time is TYME.

Alan:  And Moses is MOYSE but you can figure it out quite easily. You cannot imagine where science would take you like science fiction unless you have a basis to take it from and of course we're expected to believe he knew all this stuff just by a dream or whatever in the 1500's, when, as I say, the horse and buggy were your means of transportation and a wax candle was your light. It's impossible. No, they had the knowledge. That was the days of the Rosicrucians.

Jackie:  We're out of our hour. You want to come back tomorrow night?

Alan:  Yes. We should really try and get it out. I think we weren't even on the air for the last 15 minutes.

Jackie:  Oh, you're kidding me.

Alan:  I think so, yes.

Jackie:  Anyway, we can have these played again by the way; and Scientology, maybe we should take a look at that a little closer tomorrow.

Alan:  Yes. That was a Masonic creation.

Jackie:  We will be back tomorrow night. Alan will be back with us and thanks for being here.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Tuesday. It is the 29th of March in the year 2005. Today is day 11 for Terri Schiavo, folks, and I wanted to say this tonight. Just because we aren't spending the entire broadcast discussing Terri does not mean that we give up and not that it's necessarily going to make a difference, but I think that the calls and the emails and the faxes should keep going into Jeb Bush and basically just to let them know folks how many people, how many of us know that you know and maybe that's all the good that it would do. But it doesn't mean we sit back and say okay that's it, it's over because it's never over until the fat lady sings, at least that's what I learned in school. I don't what you learned.

Our spiritual message this evening is St. Francis of Assisi prayer.

            "Father, make me an instrument of your piece. Where there is hatred, let me so love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt let me sow faith. Where there is despair, hope. Where there is darkness, let me sow light and where there is sadness, joy. Father, grant that I may not so much to be consulted as to consul. To be understood as to understand. To be loved as to love for it is in giving that we receive. It is in pardoning that we are pardoned and it is dying that we are born into eternal life."

 

That is very lovely for me. Our guest this evening once again is Alan Watt, folks, and Alan, thanks so much for being here.

Alan:  It's a pleasure if we're actually on.

Jackie:  Are we actually on?

Alan:  I don't know.

Jackie:  Alan, for the sake of our shortwave listeners who didn't hear it last night, basically what we talked about is what was going on behind the scenes with this Terri Schiavo situation being like you said on every where you turned, every TV, radio et cetera, and what was going on behind the scenes was the merging of the Americas, yes?

Alan:  That's right, on the 23rd.

Jackie:  For the sake of our listeners who really couldn't hear this last night, could you brief them again on this, Alan?

Alan:  Previously on the 14th, The Council on Foreign Relations broadcast on television their plan for the future, which was basically an amalgamated Americas. Then the following week Prime Minister Martin of Canada and Mr. Bush and Mr. Fox met in Waco, Texas before going on to the ranch there and on two television stations in Canada, the CBC (which is the government station) and City Television they showed us two versions and you could piece together the whole thing from the two. In other words, they were heavily censored but it did come out and one reporter did ask when "the three amigos" as they called them when they were up on stage.

Jackie:  The three amigos?

Alan:  That's what they called them.

Jackie:  Oh, for God sake.

Alan:  When they were up on stage.

 

Jackie:  In Canada?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  That was a good way to bring Mexico up to Canada, wasn't it?

Alan:  Yes and the reporter asked them, he says, "Is this the amalgamation the same as the European Union style?" and Paul Martin stepped in and he gave a vague answer which he says, "It's not quite the big bang" and then he rambled on from there, but then Mr. Bush stepped in and he was rather enthusiastic and he wasn't reading the script and he got carried away I think and he says, "I envisage closer cooperation and ties".  Now that's the same terminology they used all through the Free Trade amalgamation for the Europeans was "closer ties." What they've done is sign into law that a common taxation system for the whole Americas, a common right to all natural resources shared amongst them all, which are the big boys anyway, it's nothing to do with us, and a gradual disappearing of the borders within four years, which is exactly the same format as when you join the European Union – as they're amalgamating they give four years for the dissolution of the borders, so this is all part one. They signed it into law and they've got nine more meetings this year to fast-track the rest of it through.

Jackie:  And that four years gives them an opportunity to very slowly and subtly pull it over on the people to where the people by the time that "four years" is up they're full-fledged into it and don't even know it, Alan.

Alan:  They won't even know. In fact they already admitted that the CIA and Canada's CSIS (a similar organization) are already blended. The law enforcement are all being amalgamated right now. Bureaucrats from the Canadian government can now apply to work in the U.S. Federal government and vice versa, so it's already here.

Jackie:  Oh my. Why is it then we would have a Russian Jew, Chertoff, for head of the Homeland Security?

Alan:  Well, he's had plenty of training and experience with the KGB. I mean the Russians had the trial run of how to contain a whole people and brainwash them and keep them living in fear.

Jackie:  For our listeners and folks, I know you've heard this if you are long-time listener, but the book that I read by Mikhail Heller when Alan mentions Russia or the Soviet Union and it was a giant laboratory is exactly what it was. They created the new man. The new man was the Soviet man, by the way, and he says – listen to this. I just grabbed the book here, Alan. He said that "in the Soviet Union people aren't born. Organisms are born and we've turned them into people".  He said, "we turn them into truck drivers, tractor drivers, academicians," et cetera and he said, "it took millions of years for man to become homo sapiens, but in 60 short years we have created a whole new species called the Soviet man," Homo-Sovieticus.

Alan:  See that's that plan society which the elite wrote about over 100 years ago.

Jackie:  I can't find this place in the book but I guess I don't need it. This is exactly what is happening just what he said. A whole new species has emerged, Alan, like the cougars.

Alan:  Like Bertrand Russell and all the other front men who were told what to write basically and Bertrand Russell was Lord Bertrand Russell so he was talking from the perspective of one of the elite. In his own books he said that the future that we are creating will not be haphazard. He said "no one would be born into the society unless we have a function for them." You're talking about a totally planned society.

Jackie:  Yes. At least back into the bioethics what's going on with Terri, I have been reading a lot about so-called bioethics, realizing of course that it isn't ethical at all.

Alan:  You see it's the new name. The Rockefellers started up back in the 1920's the first Eugenics Society and now of course they've got dirty names after they measured people's skulls and decided they weren't worth living, so they changed their name to "Bioethics" which is more consumer friendly; and so they don't plan to have people born or at least allowed to live--

Jackie:  That's right and folks, listening to this, because honestly when I read Orwell's "1984" it didn't hit me that this is what they mean and it is certainly of course hitting me now. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a tendency to hear it but not really hear it. We listen but we don't get it, but what exactly Alan and I are talking about right now is exactly the plan. In other words, and my sis said this today, Alan. She said, "you mean in other words if my hips get bad they could just kill me?" I said "that's right sis" and that's exactly, folks, they're talking about the marginal elders. I mean they're saying it right out loud that this is going to be the treatment of—I forget how they call it—withholding food and water.

Alan:  Starvation.

Jackie:  But no, it isn't starvation, it's dehydration, Alan.

Alan:  As well, yes. Regardless, it's murder but you see they put their own books out there many years ago and nobody reads them and these are not conspiracy books because they're written by people who attend these meetings. Bertrand Russell was a member of The Royal Institute of International Affairs, which is the British Commonwealth version of the CFR. It's all one big club and he wrote "The Impact of Science on Society."  That's one of his books and he goes through this very thing, that they'd have to consider how much of a population they would actually need to fulfill certain basic functions and then decide which ones out of that population they would allow to live to fulfill those roles, based on IQ, sickness and so on.

Jackie:  Or lack thereof.

Alan:  Yes and when you couple that with the definition of the UN of a "good world citizen," which Mr. Rockefeller calls himself, a good world citizen under the UN definition is a good producer-consumer. Now when you become purely a consumer you're now a useless eater; you're wasting the resources of the world. You can see how it's all working perfectly along the same lines to where they want us all to go. It's perfect because they're all working in tandem and they're on the same track and Joe Public when he hears this--

Jackie:  It doesn't register, Alan.

Alan:  He can't believe it.

Jackie:  Well of course not, because it's taken a long time for me to actually get it that what we're talking about is for real. I mean we've talked about this and I've written about it, not this particular but all of it and it stays in and around our mind somewhere that it's unreal even though we know it is real.

Alan:  Until the knock comes to your door.

Jackie:  Exactly, but no, see, before that sometimes you get it before the knock comes. I got it and the seriousness of it for people to understand cannot be exaggerated.

Alan:  No, that's just it. You see, we're living under mind control. In fact the whole system from birth is intense mind control, which is reinforced through a universal schooling system so that everyone grows up with the same impressions and ideas thinking they're sane because their neighbor and all their friends who when through the same system all have the same opinions, so we must all be sane. That's how easy it is to train a whole society or a world to live under mind control and never know it. Zbigniew Brzezinski, he's still one of the top advisers there for all the presidents, Brzezinski in his own books "Between Two Ages" and the "Technetronic Era" talked in the '60's about the coming population. He said we're almost at the stage where the average individual is unable to think for themselves. He said all they'll be able to do shortly is repeat what was downloaded into them on the previous night's news. Now when you couple that with what Bertrand Russell said in his book, "The Impact of Science on Society," it's the same darn scheme. Bertrand Russell said that they were creating the people to only believe in the experts and that there would be experts for everything and that is a fact.

Jackie:  And when people argue with you, they say I know it, and when you ask them how they know it, they say because some guy in a white coat on the television said it.

Alan:  Yes, that's correct and that's exactly what happened with the Schiavo case. We watched the people with the professional uniforms on and I'm talking about the suits and ties, because fascism comes with a suit and tie, not with a uniform, and it's got a friendly face and then you see the judges with their cloaks on, so we're all well impressed by these experts and really these are just people. A hundred years ago if they tried this, those people wouldn't be walking around too long you know. However, everyone has been emasculated through this mind control system we've been under and the men especially today hardly know really what they are. They've been accused of everything so much that they've lost their natural abilities you might say to maintain--

Jackie:  You mean with the feminist movement?

Alan:  The feminist movement, everything, I mean the white man's been blamed for everything that's happened on the planet and so he doesn't know which way to go – if he's doing something right or wrong or whatever, he's unsure of himself in other words. He doesn't act on his impulse or instincts of self-preservation.

Jackie:  And that is the male instinct, not only self-preservation, but protectionist.

Alan:  Yes and this is what they called "scientific socialism," through a careful gradual process over maybe 50 years, Russell and other ones and H.G. Wells said the same thing, they said, "We can basically reduce the male to be impotent; mentally impotent," and that has been achieved. Of course, people think they have a free media. There are no free medias out there.

Jackie:  What do you mean free media?

Alan:  Independent.

Jackie:  Well, there's us.

Alan:  That's maybe it, but out there I'm talking about the regular, you know mainstream usual. When they can spray whole continents from the sky for the last five or six years on an almost a daily basis, not one newspaper or television is even – obviously they won't even mention it. Now that tells you that they're not independent whatsoever.

Jackie:  Exactly, where the control is.

Alan:  They're totally controlled.

Jackie:  You know what's amazing to me? When I was reading Doug Reese book "Controversy of Zion" back in the 1700's he told about the press control back then and how the press could totally ruin an individual who was standing up telling the truth.

Alan:  I've seen some of the original newspapers of the 1700's because I used to go to the old libraries in Scotland and I can't even describe what they'd put on a political cartoon when they were bringing somebody down because it was pre-Victorian and you wouldn't believe how they cartooned people in order to discredit them; but it's always been this way. For mind control you must have all the media working for you because the public get most of their "ongoing adult education," as it's called cryptically, from the media and that gives them their sense of reality.

Jackie:  Who was the prime minister before Churchill?

Alan:  Lloyd George was in.

Jackie:  Somebody before him.

Alan:  Are you talking about the one who signed the pact or the treaty with Hitler and he came back--

Jackie:  What was his name?

Alan:  It slipped my mind. I can actually see him.

Jackie:  Well, I can't see him but anyway it will come in. This reminds me of the same thing. Anyway, he went and spoke personally with Adolph Hitler and came back and he announced there will be no war and the people in England were cheering and celebrating. The people in Germany were celebrating. Does it start with an N?

Alan:  Neville Chamberlain.

Jackie:  Neville Chamberlain, thank you. Okay folks, this is the power of the press that we're talking about. He actually negotiated a peace with Germany and when he came back and announced that and everybody was cheering, what they did in about a few weeks span of time is that the press totally denigrated him. He was blamed for something that had to do with the navy that Churchill actually was responsible for and he was run right out of office and that was the press doing it again because they were going to have their war.

Alan:  This war was planned and to be honest, this is my opinion, but I think the top boys on all sides are always in on it. In fact when Hess flew to Britain – I don’t know if people realize that Hess was related to the royal family.

Jackie:  Was he really?

Alan:  The House of Hess is part of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha line yes.

Jackie:  Why did he stay in prison the rest of his life?

Alan:  We don't even know if he did, you know.

Jackie:  We don't know, do we, Alan?

Alan:  In fact they've even had BBC programs on that, where no one was allowed to see him and on one occasion one of his relatives said that wasn't him, so we'll never really know. Do you know where he took off to go and see? Who he was going to see?

Jackie:  No. Who was he going to see?

Alan:  He was going to see Lord Lothian who was the head of The Royal Institute of International Affairs, the CFR. He landed on his property.

Jackie:  I remember reading that, Alan.

Alan:  You see, so these guys had it all planned this thing and I'm sure they said to Adolf and so on, you go so far and then we'll come in and then will have a bit of a fight and then we'll have a truce; but of course they did a bad deal with them and Hess came over to see what was going on. These are all chess games and even those who go along with it can get dragged right down the tubes, but they've planned many wars in the past. This is an old, old strategy. In fact, Plato talked about it, where the elite of Athens and all the other islands, Iona and Attica, they'd agreed amongst themselves to have wars every so often to, number one, benefit the bankers because they have to buy new weapons after the vanquished all died and so on, and to keep the populations down, so they had these regular wars going on and they decided before who was going to declare victory for the history books.

Jackie:  And so what's new today?

Alan:  There's nothing new.

Jackie:  There's nothing new under the sun.

Alan:  Carroll Quigley said that wars are actually fought to achieve social change.

Jackie:  Remember Norman Dodd from the Carnegie Foundation? He read it right in their notes when he went to get their notes and they said well they're all stored away because once the U.S. joined the UN our work was done. In there he read in their minutes of their meetings, early 1900's, where would be – well, first of all, the question was asked: Is there any way to change a society, or what would we call it, any better way other than war? And they came up with: no, war is the way. If you want it never to return to the way it was, you have a war; and then they decided, well, let's see. Where should we have that war then? Oh, the Balkans would be a good place because that's the place that's already filled with unrest. Now they planned this 1906, Alan, and the First World War broke out, what, in 1913?

Alan:  1914.

Jackie:  Okay. Oh, that's right. Now I don't know if this is true, but I have read it, that they decided that they did not want to have that first war until the Federal Reserve Act was passed in the U.S.

Alan:  That is true.

Jackie:  And then the American people can pay for the war.

Alan:  That's right. Mandell House basically said that. He's often called the man who lived through five presidents because he advised five presidents.

Jackie:  He was Wilson's alter ego, wasn't he?

Alan:  Wilson was a puppet. Even some of the memoirs of those around him admitted that.

Jackie:  He was prideful.

Alan:  And he wasn't very bright.

Jackie:  And they stroke him, give him some money and give him a nice, big, huge, impressive home. That's what it took for him. That's all it took for him.

Alan:  That's right. He was the most boring speechmaker ever, apparently. However, Mandell House was called "The Park Bench Politician."

Jackie:  Yes, because he used to sit out on the park bench telling them what to do.

Alan:  And you know why?

Jackie:  No.

Alan:  Remember he wrote a novel called "Philip Dru: Administrator"

Jackie:  Yes, I read it.

Alan:  He's even got himself in the novel in a place called Mandell House and in the novel, which was written around 1912, he says a group of powerful men set up an invisible government and buy politicians to front for them.

Jackie:  Alan, we have to take our break and the music is playing. We'll pick this up on the other side. All right, folks, we're back with you. Alan Watt is our guest tonight and as usual, I don't know about for you, but we wend ourselves into conversations that are so fascinating and so enlightening that – Alan, thanks for coming on with me.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Okay. We were talking about Mandell House. You were talking about the book he wrote. That was in 1912, two years before the First World War and an administrator.

Alan:  He said that special advisers would be the real powers behind the man that the public sees as a president or prime ministers because they were taking over the world and in the novel one of the presidents starts to get uppity and believe he really is the president so they had to take him down a few pegs. Now the message the big boys used, and believe this or not, this is 1912, was to install tape recorders – tape recorders before they were invented, by the way, and they taped all his conversations and then exposed some of it to the public, to the media that then criticized the president and that brought him back into line.

Jackie:  Now where did you ever read this that they had tape-recorded him?

Alan:  It was in his novels.

Jackie:  Oh my God, Alan, you're right. "Philip Dru: Administrator."

Alan:  That is why Mandell House was called "The Park Bench Adviser," because he always talked to the press or everybody else on a park bench where no one could tape him. Now this is before the public ever heard or saw a tape recorder and these guys always have advance sciences way ahead of what the public know.

Jackie:  You know I remember reading and I think this was in Doug Reed's book, "Controversy of Zion," Edward Mandell House actually was running the government and he would have meetings with high people from other countries in his apartment. There was one time when Woodrow Wilson the President was in there and some ambassador or something came into Mandell House's apartment and he excused the president from the room.

Alan:  I can believe it.

Jackie:  And after that I think is when Woodrow Wilson was just pretty much you know done.

Alan:  He served his purpose and he tried to set up the League of Nations and that was one of his main jobs.

Jackie:  No he didn't.

Alan:  No.

Jackie:  But he was credited with it.

Alan:  Yes, he was a front man.

Jackie:  Remember before it was the League of Nations it was called The League to Enforce Peace.

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  The League to Enforce Peace.

Alan:  Doublespeak, yes, but isn’t it amazing that even in that novel he gives you the fact that there are men behind the scenes who are big multi, multi-billionaires who then employ the advisers and train the advisers. The advisers tell the presidents and prime ministers what really is the future because they plan the future like a business plan and then they use that exact same technique of bringing down a president with Nixon. The same technique, they bugged the whole White House with tape recorders.

Jackie:  Now we were told that Nixon was playing tapes because he wanted to write is memoirs.

Alan:  That's the story, but at the time they actually said before they came up with that it was for another reason.

Jackie:  Oh, in other words, that's why they had the tape. That was the justification. You're right because in the book "Henry Kissinger" that is addressed exactly what you just said the way they hid. They actually bugged his office.Alan, it was unbelievable the way they set that man up.

Alan:  Yes and as I say it's more incredible that somebody wrote about that technique around 1912 and even tape recorders before the public ever heard of a tape recorder.

Jackie:  Well, see I need to read that book again because I read it quite a few years ago. I don't mean like 20 years ago but before I was really seeing, Alan. I mean it was intense enough reading it then but I can't imagine what I would see when I read it the second time.

Alan:  That's right. It's amazing how much is out there to the public and the public don't see it and that's what they call "the mocking of the victim" in Masonry. They will put something out there. It's not up to them if you understand it or not. It's a form of legality that they have shown you, and stupid you if you didn't catch on.

Jackie:  A form of legality. That's exactly what's happening right now with the Terri Schiavo case.

Alan:  Yes it is.

Jackie:  It's all legal. It's all the courts, the law. I mean of course they're lying at every turn because the law is there that prohibits what they're doing but that doesn’t even matter, Alan.

Alan:  As I say, it's a Masonic "must be" and nothing will stop it because this was planned to go through. It's got to go down in the books as precedence. It gives them the right then to decide by the courts who will live and die and also what they determine as quality of life will go down on the books.

Jackie:  They get the man on the streets saying – I think I told you this, that when I talked to Jody about this and she asked me what I thought about it, but before she got my answer she said, you know, mom, I wouldn't want to live like her, would you? And Alan, Jody is a very compassionate person, so this gives me glimpse of how slick they are, so I began to tell Jody first of all that she wouldn't even be in that condition if she had ever had any therapy. I mean it goes on and on and on, Alan.

Alan:  I know. There was a woman on a show here not long ago who had a massive stroke--

Jackie:  That was Kate Adamson probably.

Alan:  I know that she's doing well now and she can talk coherently and so on.

Jackie:  But the point I was making is this: In the face of all the evidence that is out there, what they keep saying is they keep pushing this into peoples minds, "I wouldn’t want to live like that, would you?"

Alan:  In a vegetative state.

Jackie:  In a vegetative state.

Alan:  "Weapons of mass destruction," over and over.

Jackie:  These are not the people who are saying why don't you let her die. I've had two or three people write to me and say why don't you leave it alone. Let her die. Don't you have any compassion?

Alan:  Yet, here you are, being taken through a High Masonic psychodrama. This is what this production is and they have the public doing exactly as they're trained to do, debate A and B, and they're all at each other's throats over it and yet none of the public have been there themselves. They've taken everything from the media, which is very little, and made decisions and giving their passive assent to this.

Jackie:  That is exactly the point, that everything they do they wind up getting the – they call it the "mandate", the people's mandate, and that's how they do it.

Alan:  That's right and the public have no idea that this now gives the government a rubber band, which can be stretched and stretched, called their decision on quality of life and what a vegetative state is.

Jackie:  And you know what? I am just totally changing the subject on us, but every single one of our listeners, we can make a difference and basically the opportunity arises almost every single conversation we have with anybody and the thought that just came to my mind. Amber called me Easter Sunday and she said happy Easter mom and I said well happy Ishtar, honey, and she said what does that mean and I began to tell her and I said go into the internet because they do the computer stuff and I said you'll find this very fascinating. We talked about the egg. You know bunnies don't lay eggs. Why do we have Easter eggs? Well, because Ishtar hatched from an egg and somewhere in her mind this is going to stay there and what else can we do? What more can we do? I shouldn't say what else, but what more can we do than at every opportunity offer an opportunity to our kindred brothers, sisters, to at least consider the truth. It's like I said last night, even though I knew when this hit mainstream the way it did, I knew that they were using it and of course you see all the hooks and what they're doing and knowing that I was doing exactly what they wanted me to do, I did it, Alan, because I could not sit and say okay well they're playing a game and I'm not going to play that game with them. You cannot sit back and not do what you can because it wasn't just Terri anyway.

Alan:  That's what Joe Public doesn't realize as they give their consent to this. This isn't about one person. This is the right of the government to decide from now on right into the future who can live and who can die by a court order.

Jackie:  And yet, while that is true, it is about one person; it is about Terri Schiavo, a woman who is being murdered--

Alan:  It's a sacrifice at Easter time.

Jackie:  …in plain sight of the entire world, Alan.

Alan:  Yes, absolutely. I mean this is, as I say, set up the same way as when they shot Kennedy. They made sure the whole world was watching. The whole world goes through the psychodrama. It has a shock effect on the person, highly emotive, highly charged with emotion and the public are being led from beginning to end through a chess game in which they don't even know they're participating because they're giving their approval.

Jackie:  See, but I knew I was participating and I still did it and Alan – it isn't that I wrestle with that, but I think about how slick they are that they get us in these places where we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.

Alan:  Yes I know and at the same time as everybody starts taking on the pros and cons and fighting with each other about it all from the media, as it's designed to do, as I say the most historical thing that's happened since the American Revolution just took place on the 23rd and no one knew.

Jackie:  Without a shot being fired.

Alan:  That's right and that's so typical.

Jackie:  By the suits.

Alan:  Yes, plus they have their sacrifice. They always have a sacrifice when they build a new structure and this is it, at Easter time too. It's perfect. It's a beautiful Masonic script.

Jackie:  This is a real window of opportunity for them, the whole thing, their own Masonic holidays and probably astrologically it suited for what they did.

Alan:  Yes and for the High Masons they still go by the Roman calendar where March is the beginning of their year.

Jackie:  Oh, okay. Happy New Year, guys, right?

Alan:  That's right and of course that's the death – again, there's always a death of something and there's the death of winter, the beginning of life. They've built a structure because they build forms, which are systems. That's what they mean by builders. They are builders. They've just built the new future of the Americas so quietly and easily and distracted the public while they carried out their sacrifice, which is only the first one of many to come.

Jackie:  There have been many before her. It just happened to be the one that came out.

Alan:  Yes, so this is your typical skilled Masonic ceremony and we all went through it and very few people realized it.

Jackie:  All right. Now you know what I would like to do? Well, this is a real downer, you know, what we've been talking about. I don't mean it’s a downer because anytime we are brought into understanding we actually should celebrate but this is very difficult and sounding almost hopeless, Alan, so let's talk about the other side of the face of this coin that what they envision, what is happening does not have to happen if enough people wake up to it, but it isn't just waking up to this lie. It's waking up to the religious lies that we've been told.

Alan:  It's the entire system which we call reality and normality.

Jackie:  On that other level, on the other dimension, the other frequency, you know I have a tendency to think out there when I think different levels or frequencies and I have to keep reminding myself that it is all one, but doesn't it come down to, Alan, right now it appears to me that there are almost people choosing up sides. It isn't consciously, like okay I'm on this side. It's people doing the right thing for the right reason and I think about Terri Schiavo and I think about the outpouring of love because everybody who was standing with Terri and doing whatever they could to stop this slaughter, this sacrifice, I think that there is something magnificent out of this that each and every one of these people experienced love that is unfathomable. Love of a person that they don't even know and there is something very beautiful about that and it has occurred to me that this could turn the tide when people understand that love is the power and all that there really is that is real, Alan.

Alan:  Well, the key – see, this is the strange thing because they give you all your holy books but they always leave the truths in there because they're so legalistic. They tell you the antidote to the system and they tell it to you in the New Testament, which has been refurbished a few times. However, they tell you if you have so much goods and so on, give them away. If someone is in need, help them and have the faith that when you need something someone will help you. You see that's the only antidote to their system because their system is based on a substitute for all of that, and it's called money, and that was the first trick that was ever pulled--

Jackie:  In other words, do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

Alan:  Yes. In other words, use your humanity. There is no humanity in a monied system. It can only be an elite that manages the whole con game and the rest of the people who are generally fairly poor and because it's a profit-making thing based on usury, everyone is born with a function to work at a job and job is from the Bible. Job was persecuted by his deity and that's why you get a job. If you're one of the higher-ups you get a salary, you see, but if you're are a worker (and most people are trained to be workers) you get a job; and this is all Masonic of course in its esoteric meanings and that's why the Masons have that Bible in the temples. However, the fact is, the antidote is also there if the people decided to use their humanity and say we're not going along with this system anymore.

Jackie:  And do you know what? I really believe this, that within each and every one of us there is a place that we know. I other words, even people let's say who make a decision based on, well, it doesn't seem right but after all I've got four mouths to feed. See what I'm saying? That if somebody sees that it is wrong and understands that it is wrong they don't do it. They don't take into their realm of consideration of this, well, I have to do this because otherwise how am I going to feed my family, and there's where the faith comes in that you were just talking about. You do the right thing for the right reason and doors will open but you have to just know that, Alan.

Alan: Yes, but the whole problem in a monied system, it's a dog-eat-dog from the top and the reason that we worship – and society does, they worship multimillionaires and that's what they call success. That's why it doesn't matter how they get there, as long as they get there; and this trickle-down theory is more of a bunch of pariahs on every level having to eat off the guy beneath you in this trickle-down system, and when everything goes up in price you have to shaft the guy below you to make up what you had before.

Jackie:  So in other words, okay, you shaft them.

Alan:  You shaft them. He shafts you.

Jackie:  If you didn't add something to what you're selling.

Alan:  It doesn't matter. You see, this whole system--

Jackie:  No, but I'm looking at it within that. It isn't like they consciously feel that they're shafting somebody because they have certain overhead and in order to meet the overhead they charge what they charge.

Alan:  This system is based on a fallacy and it's based on deceit by very clever people who've been taught this many thousands of years ago how to run this system and we call this system, which is completely inhumane. People do not live their lives. They run and race and worry through it. They don't live but we call this system humane and the guy who's your neighbor to your left, he might have the same medical problem as you neighbor to the right, but the guy on the left doesn't have as much money and so he get's a few pills that will probably give him an ulcer or something or make him bleed to death, but the guy on the right has more bucks so his life will be saved. We call this normal and we call this is humane society. There's nothing humane in it. There's nothing humane in this system. It's a corrupt evil system and it was from the beginning.

Jackie:  Well that comes back once to us, each and every one of us, Alan, and we can talk about the corrupt system and then the question is are we going to be part of it?

Alan:  Yes, and if you are going to be part of it--

Jackie:  Well, I don't mean forced into like okay you have to have a driver's license, but I'm talking about doing what you know in your heart – it's like people who work for Children Family Services. They go into people's homes and they steal children and they say well I was only doing my job. This is what I'm talking about, Alan.

Alan:  And those cops at Schiavo's thing that were arresting the children that were trying to take water – they were just doing their job; and when they take you in to kill you, they'll tell you the same thing. You see there's an evilness through segments of society and I don't care how it's glossed over, ultimately the individuals are well aware of what they're doing.

Jackie:  It's the human being or a human condition maybe or whatever you call it that they know human nature and they know what seduces people, but somewhere – we've got about four minutes left. I want to say something that you said a long time ago and well I liked it and maybe I liked it because I know it's true but what you say means something and we were talking about people wakening up, I mean enlightened, spiritual consciousness and I asked you one time how many do you think it will take? And you said not really very many because there aren't many of them.

Alan:  That's a fact.

Jackie:  Yes because the light into the darkness is where that shines away that evil.

Alan:  Really at the top they estimate there is only three percent who run the world.

Jackie:  And so enough of us who stand in every way that we can that we stand for right, in other words, Alan, and if it isn't right we know it because there's something in us that niggles us and we get the warning and say, no, don't do that, and then we're either going to go with that because we accept and know or we're going to say don't bother me conscience. Don't bother me because I have to do this just this one time because then I'll get that promotion.

Alan:  And if you're part of the team and you're all there in the same uniform, because a whole bunch are doing the wrong thing doesn't mean that you have to. People are making decisions all time you know and it doesn't wash, the excuse doesn't wash that it's the law or I'm only following orders. That does not wash. That does not wash at all. They know who they are and what they've done and that doesn’t go on forever. There's always a balance to the scale and when evil gets too low it must perish. It must be destroyed and it will.

Jackie:  Evil can only be destroyed by the light.

Alan:  The evil also turns on itself at a certain time.

Jackie:  Oh, that's good. Do you want to talk about that tomorrow night?

Alan:  Sure.

Jackie:  Evil turning on itself. Will you write that down?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Folks, we'll be back with you tomorrow night with Alan. We'll just pick up with this conversation where it left off.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Wednesday the 6th of April in the year 2005 and I hope you're day was as lovely as our day was here today. It was 80 degrees here, just unreal. Alan Watt is with us tonight.

Let me begin with our spiritual message and we'll bring Alan up. This we did last night from John 18 verse 37 when Pilate asked Jesus, "Are you a king? Jesus said, "You say that I'm a king. To this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world that I should bear witness unto the truth. Everyone that is of the truth hears my voice."

It's pretty clear to me. Hello Alan Watt.

Alan:  Hello.

Jackie:  Thank you for being here tonight.

Alan:  Yes, it's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Yes, it's a pleasure.

Alan:  It's pouring rain here.

Jackie:  Oh my gosh, Alan. It's 80 degrees. I had every window in the house open and I went out and I spread a couple of bales of hay in the chicken's yard. It was muddy out there and I got all the hay off my perennials and got leaves out of the flower gardens and stuff. It was beautiful. It's just so exciting.

Alan:  Well, it's the spring, eh?

Jackie:  It is and it's amazing what a nice day can do for our energy level, isn't it?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Well gosh, Alan, you know we have to have these times, for me, the information, that stuff that we have learned and the lies that we have been told and that darkness that is in this world, it is so nice to have the break like this sometimes, isn't it?

Alan:  It is.

Jackie:  It's good for what ails you. It's good for the soul.

Alan:  Yes. Unfortunately though, I watched them spraying all day yesterday until they turned the whole sky into just polymer mush and they're going after it big time.

Jackie:  Today was sunny here. The skies were blue and the clouds were white and puffy.

Alan:  That's the real thing.

Jackie:  Oh it is. This has been a rare day. Yes, it's lovely. I've been printing out some stuff. You had mentioned this and I had gotten some information on it, Alan. These are the Top-Off they're calling it and I got this right from the U.S. government's website, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Top Officials Three Exercise. Okay, that's what they're calling it, "Top Off Three".  Top Officials Three Exercise, whatever that means, is a congressionally mandated exercise designed to strengthen the nation's capacity to prevent, prepare for, respond to and recover from large scale terrorist attacks involving weapons of mass destruction. Then it goes on and of course as we've talked about and I mentioned it last night to our listeners. It isn't just here in the U.S. It's in Canada. It's in the UK and the two states that are involved are New Jersey and Connecticut and they're underway between the fourth and the eighth of this month.

Alan:  I hear too that they also had some British and some French aircraft and so on and military personnel over here, so it's international.

Jackie:  That's what I said, Canada and the UK.

Alan:  It's quite something but I did hear there is going Eskimo rebellion and that's probably what it's all about.

Jackie:  Yeah, an Eskimo rebellion.

Alan:  We set up communist Russia. We set up and financed communist China. We gave China – well, we didn't give it, but the boys that run us gave China all the industry, so who on earth is there anyway that's going to do all of this chaos?

Jackie:  All we have to do is look at the Trading With the Enemy Act here in the U.S. and we see that according to the U.S. government incorporated that we the people in America are the enemy.

Alan:  Yes, that's right. That makes sense. Because that's what the Soviets did. The Soviets really had no or the Bolsheviks had no real enemies once they had their borders and to contain people, and Lenin said it, to contain people and make them obedient you must have a reign of terror within and of course that's when they started looking within for terrorists. The same thing in the French Revolution until it go so carried away in the French Revolution that if you looked at someone the wrong way you were a terrorist and had your head lopped off, but this is the same thing. For them to maintain complete control in a global society under one government, they have to create this so-called terrorism within. You know the Goldstein of 1984. Who was Goldstein? Goldstein leads the terrorists. Where are they? They're everywhere and that's what they have to do. This is an old science and they're simply using the same techniques again and eventually they'll convince a lot of the general public after they've introduced the psychological testing that they're potential terrorists and they didn't know it. And the people will thank them for protecting them.

Jackie:  Like they tell young children today that they're homosexuals and I recall this so clearly. It was on the news and they did this testing in school and a 14-year old boy, they told him he was homosexual and when they asked him how he felt about it, he said I don't know because I didn't know I was. But possibly that boy believed them, Alan.

Alan:  Lots of them are doing it because they're being told – I mean you wouldn't believe how indoctrinated in sexuality we are prior to even puberty by adults with agendas and they tell them that if you haven't tried this there might be something wrong with you.

Jackie:  Then we have the President's New Freedom Commission here. New freedom, don't you love that?

Alan:  Oh, it's wonderful.

Jackie:  And that's the commission that is going to do the screening across the nation – mental health screening and we know just like Winston Smith. We're mentally ill if we think for ourselves.

Alan:  It's thought crime.

Jackie:  It's dog training?

Alan:  It's thought crime.

Jackie:  Oh, thought crime.

Alan:  And of course Winston when he was picked up and taken to the Ministry of Love, same thing. That's where they torture you. He met his next-door neighbor and his neighbor said, "don't come near me Winston" (of course he was a prisoner too). He said, "don't come near me Winston. I've just found out that I'm a thought criminal." He said, "I didn't know it myself but my daughter spotted it. Thank God she caught me in time before I did anything."  And that's what it will come to here.

Jackie:  Yes it is.

Alan:  And people will thank them.

Jackie:  For telling them that they're mentally ill?

Alan:  Yes. You have these subconscious aggressions against different things and you might act on them and so we've caught you in time and here's the medical regime and here's the pills that you take and here's the office you check into every week for analysis. That will become the norm, only for a while until we get the brain chip out there, which they have. At the Loyola University Meeting that your tax money paid for, the geneticists and the biotech engineers who were there from all over the world said that they have this partial protoplasmic chip all ready to go and it will be inserted in to the brain and it will interface with your cerebral cortex. Basically, everyone will be hooked up to regional computers and you won't be able to imagine yourself as an individual anymore. It will be more like the beehive. In other words, it will be like the Borg in Star Trek. However, they're selling the idea, and they said that at that meeting, that all novels, cartoons, and movies will incorporate this in their story lines to make it a thing that the public will want; and sure enough, there's whole bunch of movies just been released to do with brain chips and applications and how wonderful it can be. That's how you program the public to accept things.

Jackie:  I would like you to say again what you said about the chip because that can slide by somebody. This chip that actually blends with your own tissue, yes?

Alan:  That's right. Your body will not reject it because it's made of some type of protoplasm which is the same as the human type and it was invented in Japan. Some of your listeners may remember maybe 10 years ago when I think it was Sony Corporation announced that they had created a form of computer composed primarily of protoplasmic brain type cells and silicon chips interfaced, they all work together, so this has been tried and tested. They have it all ready to go at the Loyola University meeting they said – and Newt Gingrich was there. He led off the meeting but they said all they have to do now is convince the public of the need to take it and of course they're going to use this fear of terrorism to advance it.

Jackie:  Yes. While you're talking I'm going through my Homeland Security file because I've got that report, the CFR Phase III Report on National Homeland Security, and Alan, they said something in this. I couldn't believe it and it was towards the last of it, just exactly what you're talking about. I couldn't believe that they actually – well, you go ahead because I think I'm pretty close to where it is and this report by the way was done in what was it, Alan, 1998, 1999 and let me see. Oh, excuse me, the final draft came on the 31st of January 2001 but that was Phase III of it. This thing started sometime in 1998 or 1999 and then of course right after 9/11 out it came and then we got our Department of Homeland Security.

Alan:  This was also planned way in advance and even in Canada here the most senior civil servant in Ottawa who helped draft up the negotiation books for the Free Trade Negotiations, which were the precursors of the NAFTA, she came out afterwards and told the public they're merging the entire continent starting in 2005 and that's exactly what they're doing.

Jackie:  All of this has been going on while the mainstream media pushed Terri Schiavo. Here is a wrap-up if I could on their 14 points. They're just very short, all of them. We arrived at these 14 conclusions. Now listen to this. Listen to this. I know I'm away from the mike. Listen to their conclusion.

"1. The United States will become increasingly vulnerable to hostile attacks on the American homeland and U.S. military superiority will not entirely protect us.

2. Rapid advances in information and biotechnology will create new vulnerabilities for U.S. security.
3. New technologies will divide the world as well as draw it together.
4. The national security of all advanced states will be increasingly effective by the vulnerabilities of the evolving global economic infrastructure.
5. Energy supplies will continue to have major strategic significance.
6. All borders will be more porous. Some will bend and some will break.
7. The sovereignty of states will come under pressure but will endure as the main principle of international political organization.
8. The fragmentation and failure of some states will occur with destabilizing effects on entire regions.
9. Foreign crisis will be replete with atrocities and the deliberate terror rising of civilian populations."

Isn't that what we're doing over in Iraq today?

Alan:  Oh, I'd say so.

Jackie:  "Space will become a critical and competitive military environment." (And listen to this). "The essence of war will not change. U.S. intelligence will face more challenging adversaries and even excellent intelligence will not prevent all surprises."

So they warn us right up front that no matter how many of your liberties and freedoms that we take away, you're not safe, folks.

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Well anyway. Oh here. "The United States will be called upon frequently to intervene militarily in time of uncertain alliances and with the prospect of fewer forward deployed forces."  (And then here's another one).  "The emerging security environment in the next quarter century will require different U.S. military and other national capabilities."

Here, listen to this. This is what I was looking for, I think.

            "The commissions stressed on communicating the scale and pace of change has been borne out by extraordinary developments in science and technology in just the 18-month period since the Phase I Report appeared. The mapping of the humane genome was completed. A functioning quantum computing device was invented. Organic and inorganic material was mated at the molecular level for the first time."

Isn't that what we're talking about, Alan?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  "Basic mechanisms of the aging process have been understood at the genetic level. Anyone of these developments would have qualified as a breakthrough of the decade a quarter century ago but they all happened within the past year and a half."

Alan:  Yes, what a joke.

Jackie:  And there's just a couple of more here. It says: "This suggests the possible advent of period of change the scale of which will often astound us. The key factor driving change in America's national security environment over the next 25 years will be the acceleration of scientific discovery and its technological applications and the uneven human social and psychological capacity to harness them. Synergistic developments in information, technology, material science, biotechnology and nanotechnology will almost certainly transport (listen to this) transform human tools more dramatically and rapidly than any time in human history. While it is easy to underestimate the social implications of change on such a scale the need for human intellectual and social adaptation imposes limits to the pace of change. These limits are healthy for they allow and encourage the application (listen to this) of the human moral sense two choices of major import. We will surely have our hands full with such choices over the next quarter century. In that time we may witness the development of a capacity to guide or control evolution (listen, let me do that again).  In that time, we may witness the development of a capacity to guide or control evolution by manipulating human DNA and the ability to join organic and inorganic material formed prospects are both sobering and contentious."

Wait, I missed a sentence. "The ability to join organic and inorganic material formed suggests that humans may evolve literally with their own machines. Such prospects are both sobering and contentious."

Alan:  These inventions were made long ago.

Jackie: I want our listeners to know that this report – this Phase III Report, I'm pretty sure it is. They said it, to merge human and organic and inorganic.

Alan:  That basically is the chip too. In other words, they're talking about the cyborg as well. Part human, part machine and of course I don't know if you noticed that movie they put out again, "Artificial Intelligence."

Jackie:  That was sad.

Alan: It also is to leave the person with the subconscious question of what is human anyway. In other words, if a robot can adopt human qualities can we therefore classify them as the new humans; and before you know it, our minds have been made up for us primarily through all the fiction that we've watched.

Jackie:  And not only that, but there will be possibly a compassion for these creatures that are being created.

Alan:  Oh yes and the whole law industry for civil rights and all that.

Jackie:  Oh yes. Well remember was it the "Millennium Man," was that it, with Robin Williams?

Alan:  That's right. See they've already given us a scenario.

Jackie:  Tell our listeners about that.

Alan:  Yes, well that's the same idea that the guy starts off as a superior type robot and goes through his long, long life and eventually wants to become human because he's adopted all these qualities and then he goes to court to demand they have the same rights.

Jackie:  And it was the world court and it was a three-man panel. Remember that?

Alan:  Yes, so all of this drama is predictive programming. That's what they call it and our conclusions are given to us primarily through fiction in advance of the actual events so that we react to these events the same way as the characters in the movie. We accept it in other words and that's the Tavistock method. It's an old method.

Jackie:  But they have such a slick way of presenting it, because if you recall when he was up there before the court to get his certificate of what, humanity – what was he trying to get?

Alan:  To be a human being and a citizen.

Jackie:  Yes and he was a total cyborg or whatever you call it, but then one of the judges says well I have an artificial heart and my father had an artificial gizzard or whatever, and basically you sat there and listened to that and you thought, yeah, sure.

Alan:  That's how they program you.

Jackie:  Exactly. Well I could see it though. That's one of the beauties of actually knowing. That chapter out of that book that I read to our listeners the last few nights, it's exactly what it talked about is knowing about the darkness. Knowing the darkness because other than that, how are you going to shed light into it, Alan?

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  And you've been very much of a blessing for all of us to open our eyes, open our minds. It's not been easy at times. You know that, don't you?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Because there was that spell that I went through for I don't know how long where I thought I was in some other place and there was nothing that I looked at that looked real to me and it was such a confusing place to be, Alan, but somehow we settle in with that, don't we?

Alan:  Yes, that's right.

Jackie:  Sort of like an initiation.

Alan:  Most people actually float through their lives through all the changes in almost a dreamlike state – just like they floated through the transfer of all industry to China. Most people sort of vaguely remember something about that but they're not quite sure, even though everything is made in China and it never dawned on them why was it a mandate for American and Canadian business to be moved to China? I mean this is coming from the top. They float through their lives and the changes and they accept that. Plato talked about this whole scenario 2,400 years ago and of course they were part of the Mystery Religion of his day and they talked about the perfect state, which was a prototype of the perfect world state, where they would create – the guardian class, that's the elite who run the whole show, would have this lesser elite of "technocrats" you might call them.

Jackie:  Those would be the minions?

Alan:  The technocrats would be the high bureaucrats and the scientists combined, and then they have the people below them that do all the work and they would breed these people just like they bred hybrid animals for specific tasks. They would mate them up with specific women, and for tall guys that would pick apples for instance and the small squat guys who would do mining, and they said this is the perfect society and the majority of the people in Plato's "Republic" were not called people. They were called ITS.

Jackie:  ITS?

Alan:  Yes, you're either a human being or you're an IT.

Jackie:  Only you were a human being if you were part of the elite?

Alan:  Yes and everyone else was an IT, and of course that's another way of using aristocracy and nobility and the commoners. The commoners are the ITS, you see, so nothing has changed.

Jackie:  Maybe we're mankind and they're ITS.

Alan:  Well, they're not an IT. They are an infection that shouldn't be here. They are THE infection. They are the deviants, a deviant species.

Jackie:  When we say "they," are we talking about the royal Khazars?

Alan:  It's all royalty across the planet in all countries. You'll find that the Japanese ones have connection with the British ones and so on going way, way back for thousands of years before even the Khazars.

Jackie:  And their ancestors had red hair probably?

Alan:  Some of them certainly did, we know that, even the ones going into China with some of the mummies of these red-haired people. Of course, this all stems really from what they called the Aryan race that came into India and also had links with Iran and other parts of the Middle East.

Jackie:  Okay. I don't understand this Aryan race thing. We're going to take a 60 second break here. Well, that took 10 minutes but we don't do that often, have all these long commercials, and besides that, they're worthwhile, aren't they, Alan?

 

Alan:  You know the people eventually won't need to use shortwave because they'll have the chip in their head and they'll have music playing all the time, elevator music.

Jackie: Or rap.

Alan:  Well, it will be rap for the military because they've got to be aggressive. For the public it will be elevator music.

Jackie:  I remember you saying that you saw a news thing when they were sending a shipload of America boys, young men, women, girls over to Iraq and they had war paint on their faces.

Alan:  The guys had their shirts off and some of them had baggy pants on.

Jackie:  And doing and rap music and dancing and you said that the thought that came into your mind was they're sending the barbarians over there.

Alan:  Yes, we're sending the barbarians into one of the oldest civilizations in the world and this barbarian generation was deliberately created to do just this.

Jackie:  Generation X.

Alan:  They were dumbed down, given video games to kill, kill, kill. The state gave them whatever values they desired and their boss is their paymaster and they've got the most primitive form of music ever devised – scientifically devised and it works very well.

Jackie:  The primitive music, the piercing of the body in all places, it takes us right back to the jungle to primitive man.

Alan:  You always get that appearing when you have a generation for warfare. The pirates too, when they were big, they also pierced themselves and put rings and so on.

Jackie:  More than just their ears?

Alan:  Yes, and of course the pirates were all Masons anyway because that was the symbol of their flag.

Jackie:  Well, wait a minute now. You're not talking about all of them onboard ship, but you're talking about the pirate captains, yes?

Alan:  You also had them with the mates right down to the long-term crew. Eventually they'd join it as well. In fact if you ever see Gilbert & Sullivan's movie "The Pirates of Penzance," or the stage play or whatever, written in the late 1800's, you'll actually see a sort of mock ceremony onboard the pirate ship of the Masonic initiation.

Jackie:  "The Pirates of Penzance"? Would you spell that?

Alan:  It’s P-E-N-Z-A-N-C-E, I think it is. That's just at the course of Cornwall in England. That was one of their big bases, but you'll see the apprentice sailor with his shirt open, his breast exposed, one of his trouser legs rolled up and torn and I think wearing one shoe and so he's all ready for the initiation. Then they lay him on the Skull & Bones flag and they pulled him up three times, so that's him now a Master Mason you see.

Jackie:  Just waiting for the wool to be pulled over his eyes?

Alan:  Yes, and of course Gilbert & Sullivan were high Masons. We see these things all the time but the public don't know what they're really looking at and it's no different from the movies they churn out today. They're always mocking the public and programming them at the same time. Again, going back to Plato, he said, "we have the ability (meaning the aristocracy) since we give the people their culture; culture does not come from the bottom up. It comes from the top down."  And he said, "We can change the culture and all the values in one generation and the people involved who lived through it won't even notice the change."

Jackie:  Alan, this thought came to me while we were on the air one night. The biodiversity treaty treats humankind, mankind as organisms. In other words, we are no different than above or below. All organisms are the same including the lowest amoeba, and you were talking about this, how they culture us, and then it occurred to me in the pictures that I get in my mind that the world is their Petri dish. We are the organisms that are being cultured.

Alan:  When the Phoenicians went into new lands they had a whole routine that they went through to entice the public down to the beach where they'll lay out presents and then go back into their boats and watch. They studied the public of a new nation, a new people and they watched their tribal habits and they called it "customs," and that's why you have customs ports at every port nowadays and that's what they did. By understanding the cultures you can interfere and take over the people and the Phoenicians ended up enslaving most of the little villages they took over and turned them into almost semi-automatic production facilities for different items.

Jackie:  Like they are today.

Alan:  Yes. This is an ancient technique and they had their international bankers went with them even as long ago as 2,500 BC.

Jackie:  What were they using for "money" back then?

Alan:  In the beginning they used gold and silver powder and they weighed it and ingots too. It was all done by weights. In fact in Sumer around 5,000 BC you had the standard weights which we still use today. What they were doing at that time was wherever they went to new countries, they introduced their money system where none had existed before because people bartered when they were free. Then they set up a branch office, a bank, introduced their gold and eventually it became of course coin and then told them to put their coin in the bank and they gave them clay facsimiles, just like paper money.

Jackie:  That was back in that era?

Alan:  Yes and once they done that they shipped the gold and silver back out of the country to the major religious temples in the Middle East and those were the banks.

Jackie:  I've become real intrigued with the question about gold, gold more than silver. I got some information mailed to me by one of our listeners quite a while ago and it told about the use of gold for many – well, I shouldn't have even brought it up because I cannot recall, but it went far beyond using gold as "money" or a means of exchange or riches or wealth, but there's something to gold that's very important to them.

Alan:  I know. There's a whole bunch of stuff out there put out by Gardner from one of the Masonic institutions in England. I mean I'm telling you the people on the internet who phone me swallow everything that's out there.

Jackie:  Okay. Well, I'm not saying I swallowed it but maybe this is the same thing you're talking about. But what are you talking about?

Alan:  The gold was simply – these guys had been into mining very early on. I've no doubt they learned it from long before Sumer, they had to of, and they had a monopoly on their mines and so they got metals that were fairly rare, had monopolies on them and forced that on the countries round about and overseas. As they were doing that, they were creating an international standard of weights and measures and a value system.

Jackie:  But what made them valuable?

Alan:  Because they forced it on as a means of exchange instead of having real goods to exchange with others. It's a method of control.

Jackie:  In other words, they could have chosen anything. They could have chosen nickel?

Alan:  I don't think they should have chosen anything at all. I think they should have left it.

Jackie:  I didn't say they should. I said they could have.

Alan:  You see this is what it is. Nature should have been left the way it was. That's the key to it.

Jackie:  I understand that. All I'm saying is why they chose gold.

Alan:  If it was something else that was as rare they would have used it. Sure they would have. Again, gold is often along the same vein as you'll find silver, it often turns into the gold further on in the same vein, so they had them both in the one mine. You'll find the Phoenicians--

Jackie:  Silver turns into gold?

Alan:  Silver will go alongside gold often.

Jackie:  But it doesn't turn into gold?

Alan:  There's a method – I mean even the white gold you see is a mixture of really the two. You see there's an in-between and the two distinct ones and you often also find lead also around the same area, but you'll find the Phoenicians had mines as far as Russia thousands of years ago. What they did was create wars because once they had taken a country over and introduced money, they would get the government, which they then owned, to create a standing army and then they could just use money to pay them. Any country who didn't go along and accept the same system, they would arm them because they also owned the best weapons of the day, no different from today, and they would invade that country, take it over and force the system on them. In those days they called it "civilization."  Today they call it "democracy."

Jackie:  You know Adolph Hitler was bartering. That was one of the things them drove him crazy because according to what I have read, Germany had no gold left after the Weimer Republic and they created a script, just like Abraham Lincoln did, but that they were actually bartering with other nations and they were bartering goods for goods and it drove them nuts. You know what really confirmed it for me? I've got a speech here by Cordele Hull. It was on Labor Day and it was when the U.S. – well, it was in 1941, Labor Day and he was talking about international trade and all this. He said if this present war is not won we will be reduced to barter and I knew that he was talking about Adolph Hitler's barter system and that was driving them absolutely nuts because there were no trade deficits and there were manufactured goods traded for food mostly.

Alan:  Well, I still don't believe that – I think every peoples get used you know. I really think they all get used. All the nations get used. Even if you think you're rebelling against them, they'll put their own men in at the top and guide you along the path.

Jackie:  They put their spin on it too.

Alan:  Because you'll find that Hitler did have Schacht who was his banker and Schacht was a member of the German and Dutch families that were big bankers. If you look at Roosevelt's wife, Eleanor Roosevelt, she did a genealogical chart of her husband in one of her books and you'll find that FDR was related to the Schacht family as well.

Jackie:  When you say Schacht, how are you spelling it?

Alan:  I think it's S-C-H-A-C-H-T.

Jackie:  Oh, like shocked.

Alan:  FDR was related to Hitler's banker and the Dutch families as well of the Schacht and Germans, so everything is a play and the public get used and the real theater of war is a theater. It's a theater you see and to make people believe it was all very real, real people must really die.

Jackie:  Yes, but how many people were told by history in school that Adolph Hitler was bartering? You see, the things that are hidden, Alan, are the things that to me maybe slipped out of their hands, maybe somebody. I considered the same thing with Saddam Hussein, that maybe he was put in power by them. I don't know but I see the possibility that their minions got away with them. Look at JFK and I think he actually got to thinking that he was the president.

Alan:  So did Reagan, that's why they shot him.

Jackie:  Yes exactly, but you see they put him in and I understand at that time that there was in Chicago or Illinois specifically a lot of fraudulent votes to get JFK in, but he got in and then suddenly said what the hell is going on here and so he thought he was the president so they killed him. So I'm saying that some of this people slipped through their hands.

Alan:  I think some of them also get carried away. I've no doubt Saddam did and no doubt Saddam never really looked at the end of the Cold War because his whole power structure was based on being an American ally during the whole thing.

Jackie:  Well, because America – not America, we'll say the U.S. government Inc., they were playing with him, I believe.

Alan:  They did finance him and they did give him weaponry.

Jackie:  I know. That's what I'm saying, but Saddam Hussein was attempting to develop a Pan-Arab collation.Well, that's something that Israel and the U.S. government isn't going to stand for.

Alan:  They've said that. They've said that publicly. Israel came out and said that the New American Century agenda that was drawn up by Wolfowitz and Perle and Rumsfeld and so on, back in the '90's, with the agenda attacking first of all Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Iran, then Syria. They said it was identical to their own. That's what Israel said; so yes, it's one in the same policy. However, in ancient times, what the historians call "spreading civilization," it was the same system there as it created empire after empire and spread civilization. They were standardizing a system across the world and today the U.S. is just completing that job and today they call it democracy.

Jackie:  I think we ought to be really contemplating, really considering that we're going to be some of the ones that slip through their hands because everybody doesn't fall for it, do they, Alan?

Alan:  No. They know that in every generation there are some who, as they say themselves, "slip through the net," the ones whose indoctrination doesn't take so well and they're clever enough to remain free thinkers and hide it through school. Today, of course, if you show it at school, they put you on drugs.

Jackie:  You know what? For me if this broadcast does anything that it would be to open the eyes, open the minds, open the hearts of our listeners that they would be part of the one that slipped through the net, Alan, and you are part of this. You are so much a part of this of informing us and bringing us out of the Dark Ages, out of the forest.

Alan:  People all claim that they want truth and I tell them – and most people want truth like buying a fast-food hamburger and they don't realize that they have to do a lot of work.

Jackie:  Yes. We're out of our hour. You'll be back with us, won't you, Alan?

Alan:  Oh yes.

Jackie:  Thanks for being here.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Wednesday and it is the 13th of April in the year 2005 and Alan Watt is with us this evening. I had friend stop by.

Our spiritual message tonight is the pray of Saint Francis of Assisi:

"Father, make me an instrument of your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; Where there is injury, let me so pardon; Where there is doubt, faith; Where there is despair let me so hope; Where there is darkness, let me sow light; And where there is sadness, joy.  Father grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; To be understood as to understand; To be loved as to love; For it is in giving that we receive; It is in pardoning that we are pardoned; And it is in dying that we are born into eternal life."

Alan, thank you being here tonight.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Always. How has your day been, besides the chemtrail spraying?

Alan:  I got my truck stuck in the field.

Jackie:  Oh no.

Alan:  Yes. I was taking it out there to do some important stuff and it's just not dry enough.

Jackie:  So did you get it out?

Alan:  No, I spoke to it quietly and left it there.

Jackie:  Oh okay. So do you think it's going to come in by itself now?

Alan:  Well, I did tell it what would happen to it if it didn't.

Jackie:  You know what? These things can happen because last summer when the children were here, Brandon got a real bad shock out on the porch and they were plugging in one of their players and instead of connecting the extension cord and then plugging it in. He had already plugged it in and I was in the house. They said his hair stood right up on end. It was a good one and it knocked out some fuses. Well, I got all the fuse things flipped back but my doorbell quit ringing and I thought well there's something in there. Something like a ballast and I thought well then maybe it's a ballast and I have to find the company and I was without a doorbell for I cannot tell you how long and then one day suddenly someone came up and rang the doorbell and it's working without doing anything to it. I like that. So maybe you'll find your truck up by the house in the morning.

Alan:  Well, I did threaten it.

Jackie:  But you did it quietly?

Alan:  I did it quietly.

Jackie:  Okay. Well Alan there's something that I would like you to address tonight. I don't know how to respond. I don't know that what I say or the way I say it or whatever it is that's lacking or maybe it isn't. Maybe it's just difficult. The one thing that initiated this is I got a call last night from a really nice man and I mean this sincerely and I know that it's with all of his heart the belief, but basically it was the same thing I get from people who are I guess it's Christian or Israel identity, but it isn't Yahweh or Jehovah that god of the Old Testament. The name is wrong. It's Yahweh; and Alan, what is the difference?

Alan:  Well, to them it's everything really and that goes way, way back into the Middle East where if you knew the exact pronunciation of the entity or demon, then you would control it. That's where it all stems from and of course it's all nonsense because if you're talking to a creator I'm sure the creator is bright enough to know who you're talking to.

Jackie:  What about the part in the Old Testament where it says if my people – does it say know my name or something about repent. I wished I knew it word for word. I don't if you know which one I'm referring to, but I think a lot of stuff is pinned onto that too. "If my people would say my name or know my name, call upon me, I will heal their land." So that's to make people think that we have to have a name for Creator?

Alan:  That's pretty well it. It's nonsense. If you are speaking to a creator that's so dumb with a low IQ that if you get the name wrong and he doesn't hear you, then I think you're praying to the wrong entity because obviously anything that was a creator knows exactly who you mean.

Jackie:  But this goes along with the fact that it wasn't the Jews that was the chosen, it was the white Anglo-Saxon and there's a lot of evidentially research that people have done in the bloodlines and people from back in that area and so what it comes down to this is. It comes down to believing that Creator would choose a special people and we're to rule the world. Rule the world. It says in there, Alan, that you are going to loan to nations and borrow from none and it also says to a special people that they cannot loan money and charge usury to their fellows but they have to charge usury to the stranger or the goyim. Well, how is this reconciled in people's minds or is there something that at least to plant a seed that would get them thinking, Alan?

Alan:  Their thinking would have to overcome their conditioning. That's the problem and they've been so heavily steeped in this stuff from childhood that for many of them it's impossible to break that barrier.

Jackie:  A lot of people who are Christian identity I don't think it's necessarily from childhood. It is what they've deduced from whoever – this came from British Israelism, didn't it? The Israel identity or Christian identity? What is British Israelism?

Alan:  It began in the 1800's with one man who was a bit of a nutcase to begin with. In fact he ended up in a psychiatric hospital for the rest of his days.

Jackie:  Do you know a name?

Alan:  I can't quite remember the guy's name but he actually demanded that the king and queen of England dethrone themselves and put him in power because he believed that he was closer to the bloodline that was mentioned than they were, you see, so they locked him up. However, then the World Zionist federation realized this could be an aid in their plans and so they pushed it ever since and you'll find that the World Federalist Society--

Jackie:  World Federalist or World Zionist?

Alan:  World Federalist Society is the exact same address in every country as the World Zionist Society. It's one and the same outfit. They're using religion once again to verify the Old Testament and to bring Israel up to be the basically the capital of the planet.

Jackie:  And going along with that, isn't it the second coming, the coming of Jesus, and I don't know if this is British Israelism or Israel identity but that Jesus is going to have his throne right there in Jerusalem.

Alan:  It's all part of the plan and you see behind religions you've had people who conned everyone for thousands of years so they do certainly know the techniques to use and they could pull it off. They could certainly pull it off; but if you go into the Old Testament, Jehovah or Yahweh is a latecomer. He comes on the scene after the Elohim and the Elohim are the creators you might say, so definitely Yahweh was a local deity that was then pushed – in fact he was the volcano god and he was eventually pushed up to overtake everyone else, not by Jews but by the ruling governments of the day.

Jackie:  The priesthood?

Alan:  Yes and Constantine I'm sure had a few good chuckles at that one because he was steeped in all the mystery religions and even though he's given the accolades for bringing Christianity to the fore, he did not make Christianity the religion of Rome. He simply stopped the persecution of it and prior to doing that he created his own temple of the Mithraic Cult – he was a Mithraic disciple, a form of Masonry you might call it. He also created a church where you could go in, like all Caesars, and worship him in his own church, so he was worshipped as a god. He had insurance policies out with every mystery religion and so he used this religion, the Christian religion, to further the cause, which was again to lead eventually to world government.

Jackie:  I've mentioned this on the air before because I don't really understand all of the writings that are attributed to things of Jesus but there are some that are so simple and that you just absolutely know is true. You know, how to live. Do unto others. That is it, Alan. As you sow, so shall you reap. I take that literally and for people to think that okay if I say a certain amount of hail Mary's or the priest or I pay enough, well the Lord knows that I'm a weak sinner and Jesus died for my sins so I'm okay because I repent and then you do it again and repent again and it really gives people a cop out. But far beyond that, the way I see it, the way it appears to me, is that it has created that separation – that perceived separation between each of us and our Creator.

Alan:  Long before Christianity the mystery religions had always been around and they knew from time immemorial that man would always seek out his Creator. He had a yearning to be in touch with the all or whatever name they gave to it and then they exploited it. The priesthoods actually exploited this natural need you see and of course out of the need they create dogma, and from the dogma they make rules and laws and enslave the minds of the people.

Jackie:  And if you don't buy into the dogma you're a heretic; and I remember saying that on the air. Actually it was sometime in '98 and why I remember that is because it was still daylight when I was doing the broadcast at the time. But I said I just want you all to know that I am a heretic, and by the definition in the dictionary, that I do not ascribe or subscribe to the religious doctrine and the religious dogma that we have been taught. I had somebody call me and say that's a terrible thing to say about yourself. In other words, it's terrible to be a heretic.

Alan:  "Heretic" comes from "hearsay," and that's what they forbid the public to do, was listen to hearsay; and from "hearsay" you have "heresy." That's where it comes from, so you were forbidden to listen to any kind of hearsay or heresy and if you did then you were a heretic. It's a fantastic form of mind control to do with guilt-tripping and sin of course and it's been exploited and used by professionals for thousands upon thousands of years. It's all mind control, all of it.

Jackie:  I remember when Rick, what was his name, Wiles, was actually on this hour on this shortwave frequency at 9 p.m. Eastern time and Lilly listened to him and taped the thing one day and called and let me hear it. This basically was his message because he used to do news and tell all the terrible things that were going on, but then he'd say but that's okay, I see what’s going on out there, I know what's going on but it's okay because I know that it's the time Jesus is coming, see. Then he says come on Jesus and establish your throne in Jerusalem and I am going to be there right in the front row worshipping you and following you. It seems that the kingdom on earth is the message that has permeated throughout a lot of these religions, like the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Alan:  Of course the history of the Witnesses was began by--

Jackie:  Charles Taze Russell

Alan:  And he's buried under a pyramid.

Jackie:  "34 holy," I was at his pyramid. I have photographs of them, Alan.

Alan:  Yes and it's right opposite the Masonic Lodge and of course the whole idea of the "Russellites," as they called themselves, was that the Gentiles had blown it with all their wars and the goal was to bring the time of the Jews to rule the world. That was part of the Russellite philosophy.

Jackie:  Oh, you're kidding.

Alan:  In fact Balfour who gave the Balfour Declaration said the same thing. If you read the whole declaration, and generally you'll see only part of it published, but if you read the whole thing he said the same thing that the Gentiles have blown their ability for salvation, were unable to handle freedom and therefore the Jews had the right to rule.

Jackie:  I had never read the whole thing then because what I have that I was under the impression that this was the Balfour Declaration, basically it just said that a home there will be established for the Jews. However, it said something about that this would not encroach upon the people who are living there already, the Palestinians.

Alan:  Well, they are nice liars.

Jackie:  Yes I know that but that's all I've got.

Alan:  I've got the whole thing and don't forget too, it was not a British government document. It was a personal letter to Baron Rothschild, so it was never debated in Parliament in Britain. This was a managed thing between Rothschild and Balfour; but that was the scheme of it all, was that "look, you Gentiles just can't handle it so it's only right that Jews take over." H.G. Wells who was also a front man for MI6 and who was given most of his material that he wrote his stories around, H.G. Wells also categorized the races that should be allowed to live and the ones that would have to be exterminated, long before Adolph Hitler came along. He said that the British Crown had decided that Jews because of their survival abilities and their ability to handle this economic system would be allowed to survive alongside the aristocracy of Britain.

Jackie:  You're kidding.

Alan:  No.

Jackie:  So their ability to handle it. They're the ones that – well, the elite are the ones that created it, aren't they, way back in ancient times?

Alan:  Oh yes, it's always been the elite of course. When you read into the books, H.G. Wells wrote the first set, it was a two-volume set called "The History of the World," and he lays out there the races that would have to be destroyed because they could not come into this new order, which was an economic system, and he said that the red man would have to be killed off by diseases and so would the blacks. He also had the Irish in there, by the way.

Jackie:  Why the Irish?

Alan:  Because the Irish have a temperamental streak where they don't like to go along with systems and the only ones that would be allowed to survive would be people who would conform to an economic system, and that's the key to everything is the economic system. We under law exist to serve the economic system and not the other way around. They wrote a lot of their agenda openly back in the early 1900's and put down in that agenda the races that would have to be eliminated.

Jackie:  When you read enough different stuff you know that you keep seeing these connections. And in the Protocols of course their world court it looks like it's already built there in Israel but they say that their king despot of the blood of Zion is going to be the Pope of the world. Now I was sharing with out listeners last night a thing that I got on the different popes but there's something here that I didn't get to and I think it's part of our conversation now and I'd like to share it. He was talking about the scandals of the child molestation and he said:

"Notwithstanding the scandal and shock of the aforementioned, Rome carries on quietly with her program of world dominion. They lead the competition to establish the first one world system that has ever existed. Their ultimate goal is global religious syncretism, and to eventually wield control and authority over every individual on earth. The human solidarity goals of the Roman Church are identical to the goals and objectives of the United Nations. This is why they are such a perfect fit. Rome only gives the appearance of objecting to the UN agenda. At the 1996 World Food Summit in Rome, Cardinal Angelo Sodano fledged the holy seas support for the UN humanistic programs of action. Rome also has designs on Jerusalem."

Now this is where the connection comes in.

"For 46 years after Israel's rebirth the Vatican refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. But Rome wants to exert premier influence over Jerusalem, which will one day function as the capital of her World Church.  In a 1993 letter to the Pope, Shimon Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem granting the UN political control of the Old City and the Vatican hegemony over the holy sites within. This was confirmed by the Italian newspaper La Stampa. In March 1995 the Israeli radio station Arutz Sheva was leaked a cable from the Israeli Embassy in Rome, confirming the hand over of Jerusalem to the Vatican. The future Pope will establish his throne one day within the walls of the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. It is from here that he will rule his World Church."

That reminds me that the king despot of the blood of Zion is said that it will be the Pope of the World and it says and there's just another paragraph here.

            "And this day may not be as far off as many believe. The cornerstones for the Third Temple have already been quarried by the Jewish group known as the Temple Mount Faithful. They are extremely well financed and organized. They have also produced priestly vestments in accordance with scriptural outlines and are presently attempting to breed a perfect red heifer in anticipation of the coming dedication ceremonies. Obviously, Rome and the Temple Mount Faithful are headed for a showdown."

I don't think so. Do you, Alan? I don't think there is going to be a showdown.

Alan:  No, I wouldn't think so.

Jackie:  Okay. Here's the last. "In a letter sent to the Vatican in January 2004, the Temple Mount Faithful demanded that Pope John Paul return the Temple Menorah and other vessels and treasures removed in 70AD by Titus and taken to Rome, where they are presently held within the Secret Vatican Archives."  And that's the end of the article and this was written by some guy in Toronto, but I think there's a lot of truth in here except that there's going to be a show down. This last pope according to many sources his mother was a Jew. He went to Israel and apologized on behalf of all Christians for the terrible persecution of the Jews that have taken place over the last 2,000 years, so the guy was a Jew.

Alan:  He also worked for I.G. Farben just prior to World War II.

Jackie:  Yes. I understand that he became a Catholic in order to escape whatever and he became a cardinal and the next thing you know he's a pope. There's not going to be any showdown. Their puppets are being put in place right now.

Alan:  Sure, the Catholic Church was always used for this. In fact if you look at some of the big names of Catholic popes, they were also world bankers in their own right.

Jackie:  I was telling our listeners last night about this beautiful book I have written by David Yallop, I think his name was. It was titled "In God's Name" and it was about Pope John Paul I that was in only for 33 days and he was going to get rid of Marchinko the Vatican banker because he found out that they had laundered a billion, 900 and some million, dollars of bad bonds through the Vatican church. It was the night before when he handed these instructions to the Secretary of State, which he had actually inherited from the previous pope, and the author said that the guy begged the pope not to do this, evidentially knowing what was going to happen, and he said I want this done. Marchinko was some bishop or cardinal and the next morning he was found dead. He was poisoned.

Alan:  He was going to make a speech that day, too, to ban freemasonry in the Vatican.

Jackie:  Yes. What is it called? 32P… 3P… 22?

Alan:  There's two 2's.

Jackie:  P2 freemasonry. Yes, that was mentioned. We have to take our 60-second break here. This was a pope that could have done some real good. He was going to get rid of the birth control ban for Catholics and they got rid of him in 33 days. Okay folks, we'll be right back with Alan Watt.

Okay Alan, what were we talking about?

Alan:  The fact is that organized religions have always been used for the purpose of control from the most ancient times.

Jackie:  Oh yes, we were talking about Pope John Paul I.

Alan:  If you really want to find mystery religion, you should look into the established churches because that's where it all began.

Jackie:  You know the word pagan? Well, I looked it up one day. I got a whole bunch of dictionaries here and every time Chuck found one in an old bookstore from all different areas and I look up the word pagan in every single one of them, including 1828 whatever. Pagan, the word is connected with the word heathen and that is the person of the heath. Pagan really means rural folks, but what the dictionary said is that they were people who did not come into the organized church, the doctrine and the dogma of the church; and Alan, do you know that almost every single one of them, one of the definitions of a pagan was a gentile? Now that kind of confused me. Can you explain that?

Alan:  Sure. All ancient peoples had meaning in life. They had meaning from life. They lived the meaning of life and it didn't matter really where their source of inspiration came from. They lived their life and life has to be meaningful. If you take away the meaningfulness of life, then you have robots and slaves and of course the organized religions were intended and set up to do exactly that. The ancient people had special sacred spots all over the world and it meant something to them. That's all important you see.

Jackie:  Yes and it wasn't necessarily evil, was it, Alan?

Alan:  No, not in the least. In fact, there was far less bloodletting with the so-called Pagani as there has been with established religion. Established religion has been a horror show.

Jackie:  Alan, what about the people now, I guess I have thought of them as pagans who sacrificed their children? Like I remember reading in Hawaii they throw their babies into the ocean sacrificing them to the gods. Some of them when they built a building, the four corners, before they put those posts in an infant was thrown in there; did that come from the priesthood?

Alan:  It came from Babylon. In fact, the archaeologists today who've worked steadily what was Babylon right into Jerusalem have found no sign of a Jehovah type worship. What they have found is that the same exact system of Babylon, where you kill children and often put them in an urn and you put them on each four corners to protect the inhabitants. All this rubbish and nonsense about a great Judaic people who worshipped this Jehovah is absolute rubbish. The truth is in the earth. The proof is there buried in the earth and in fact you can't tell Judaism apart from the Phoenicians who also did the same thing of killing first-born children and burying them in the four corners of the structure.  You see in the ancient times, even in Rome, the emperor himself, to open up land for building purposes he would make the crossroads with the plows and he would plow an exact square and everywhere--

Jackie:  Who did this?

Alan:  The old Caesars.

Jackie:  The Caesars themselves?

Alan:  Yes. That was the law that they had to plow a square part of the land, with a plow, and wherever any structure went up then a human sacrifice was given so that the mother goddess would not be offended. That was their belief system and that was rampant – that same belief system is exactly the same as Babylon and Jerusalem and on and on you go.

Jackie:  This Caesar, are you speaking of in Rome?

Alan:  In Rome and their empire, wherever their empire extended to, it was the same system because there is only one mystery religion.

Jackie:  You mean the Romans were doing baby sacrifices?

Alan:  Yes and even today in the land of the so-called Phoenicians, which was the Holy Land basically--

Jackie:  Okay. Tell me where that was?

Alan:  That was the Holy Land. That was Jerusalem and round about Jerusalem.

Jackie:  That was Phoenicia, huh?

Alan:  Yes and the Greeks called the land of that area Phoenicia. South of them was the Edomites, but that land itself was the Phoenicians.

Jackie:  Aren't the Edomites the ones the Jews supposedly are supposed to get rid of?

Alan:  Well, you'll find they were not too happy with anybody else. Everybody was their enemy basically. However, what you find with the Phoenicians, and this is the key to it all, it's an economic system and the Phoenicians were the ones who lived in that area who always created an artificial island and that was their capital and from there they would spread their system of commerce all over the ancient world.

Jackie:  You mean somewhere out in the ocean they would create an island?

Alan:  Yes, a man-made island.

Jackie:  How do you do that, Alan?

Alan:  They poured millions and billions of tons of soil and stone and so on and then they built their island.

Jackie:  In other words, sort of like a shoal or something that was already fairly not deep, fairly shallow?

Alan:  That's what they did and they built it off of Joppa [Jaffa, Yafo] off the coast of Israel in the Mediterranean Sea and that was their capital. Then they moved eventually to Venice. Venice is a play on Phoenician – Venetian, Phoenician, same thing – and that was their capital of the world; Venice itself again was created by man, by the creation of an artificial city, and so the MO [modus operandi] you can trace down through history wherever they go.

Jackie:  Yes and this gets so confusing because I read a fairly long piece about Venice. I think it was Venice where the Jesuits were supposed to be so powerful. Is that so, was it Venice?

Alan:  They were definitely powerful because the Jesuits traveled even to ancient Japan. They created the warrior caste of Japan. It wasn't natural to that country. They actually gave them the Warrior Caste and they've done it wherever they've gone. If you say--

Jackie:  Phoenician and Venetian.

Alan:  It's the same thing, and the Phoenix bird dies every 500 years and it's recreated in its own image.

Jackie:  And that would be a takeoff on the Phoenicians?

Alan:  That's right. You'll find if you say "Jesus" and then take it into the French, you have "Je Suis," I Am.  Jesuit is Je Suis, same thing, "I am." The whole thing is the mystery religion. All of it is the mystery religion.

Jackie:  Now I have read that the one we know as Jesus but wasn't really his name.

Alan:  Jesus is a Greek term because the initial writers of the gospel wrote primarily in Greek and they had no problem by saying 'Son of Zeus,' (Zeus, Iesous), because they were familiar with the son of Zeus, Hesus. The other name is Apollo of course and Jesus is the sun. He is the sun. If you look a the King James Bible and you get a proper King James Bible--

Jackie:  You mean like the original one?

Alan:  Yes. You'll find that the accolades they give to King James says "you are the SUN." King James is the SUN and then talks about the late queen Elizabeth I who is the Eastern Star. That's where the Eastern Star Lodge comes from. That's in all the original King James Bibles.

Jackie:  All Masonic.

Alan:  All Masonic. These guys have literally pulled the wool over everyone's eyes for thousands of years. You look at all the churches, they have a spire, which is the phallic symbol going right back to Egypt and it's called ON. The phallic symbol is called ON. It's in the English language today. We use ON for an erection; and you walk through the phallic symbol into the box and you walk through the vulva. That's why you have what they call a "Norman Arch," and you walk through it into the church into the box and it always faces to the East where the sun comes up.

Jackie:  Is this in the Catholic Church mostly?

Alan:  It's in all Christian churches.

Jackie:  Are you saying then that all Christian churches that the entrance faces east?

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Gosh, I never noticed that, Alan.

Alan:  And the priest gets dressed up in his robe, which is a female dress, because he portrays the hermaphrodite, male and female in one, because in the beginning God created man and woman; "in his perfect image created them both," which means (and this is in the Talmud) that the god they're talking about is a hermaphrodite. It's male and female in one. They worship on Saturn’s day, which is Saturday, and that's why they wear the black robe. When they wear the black robe they are also ultimate law. They're all law.

Jackie:  Is that what the black robe means?

Alan:  That's what it means. It's the law. That's why judges wear the black robe. They are the law. They are Saturn. When they sit on that bench above the people and there's a bar in the way, they belong to the bar, they are speaking as gods. They are gods in the courtroom.

Jackie:  In the courtroom. Well, how does law connect with black?

Alan:  Again it's the ancient system that predated Judaism and all the rest of them.

Jackie:  You mean that's what they did was wore black?

Alan:  Yes and when they brought even Hebrews in for trial, this is how they said it: they held them by the "short and curlies." They held them by the you-know-what.

Jackie:  The pubic hair?

Alan:  By the B-A-L-L-S and if you lied they crushed it. The crushed your “manhood” and that's where the “short and curlies” comes from. This is all history. It is recorded history and we've been fooled for such a long, long time with all this nonsense that we have not allowed ourselves to live. These guys who run this system know exactly where they're taking us and what they're taking us to and they have decided that they want to eradicate that part of the mind, the brain, which allows you to think of yourself as an individual.

Jackie:  Okay. What part of the brain is that?

Alan:  It's your higher survival centers. Arthur Koestler worked for the United Nations. He wrote about it. He said we will have to lobotomize that part of the brain that gives them their individuality because they won't need it anymore since the state will be making all their decisions for them.

Jackie:  Are we talking about in the pituitary area?  Like a frontal lobotomy?

Alan:  It includes that. They've been right up front with their agenda.

Jackie:  Alan, was it Arthur Koestler who wrote--

Alan:  "The Thirteenth Tribe."

Jackie:  I know "The Thirteenth Tribe," but what about "The Ghost in the Machine?"

Alan:  "The Ghost in the Machine" is what they refer to for your ability to know yourself as a distinct personality.

Jackie:  Wasn't that a book?

Alan:  "The Ghost in the Machine was a book, yes.

Jackie:  Was it Arthur Koestler who wrote that?

Alan:  Yes. He worked for the United Nations on a way to eradicate what they called "a problem of individuality."

Jackie:  So you know what had just occurred to me? These psychotropic drugs that they are putting everybody on, do you think that does something with that frontal lobe of the brain? Do you think that's the way of chemically lobotomizing people, Alan?

Alan:  They are doing that. That's what the spraying in the sky is all about.

Jackie:  Well yes, but besides the spraying in the sky, the psychotropic drugs that they're putting so many people on and so many children. Do you think that that is sort of like a chemical – I mean they actually get zombie-like in a sense.

Alan:  When you put them on the drugs they've been put on, it actually shrinks the brain and what they're doing is eliminating all those people with leadership abilities who can convey what they understand and know and have learned to other people. They're eliminating them before they become a problem and this is not fantasia. It's been written about by the very people involved. It's just that no one reads these books.

Jackie:  So "The Ghost in the Machine" would be the actual soul or spirit of the individual?

Alan:  It's everything that makes you who you are. That's what they mean and they're doing it.

Jackie:  I've always meant to get that book and I've never done it.

Alan:  Arthur Koestler was quite candid about it. He believes in it of course. He worked for Stalin and then he came over to the University of New York and taught the same theories there.

Jackie:  Koestler was a Russian Jew?

Alan:  Yes and then he also spent the rest of his life working on methods to eradicate that part of the brain that makes you who you are; an individual.

Jackie:  You know what just occurred to me, that people who live in cities that every opportunity that they get to leave the city and find a place, Alan, that is where the birds sing and the crickets – there aren't too many crickets around anymore that I know of, but the little peeper frogs and the whippoorwills and the morning doves and the mocking birds and just to get out and away from the artificiality of the city. When I had my business in Springfield, Illinois, I actually lived 50 miles from work but it was sub-development you know down the highway and off the highway and into from what they call the hard road and a beautiful 360 acres of woods and a little lake and to me it was just like heaven to be able to escape there, but there were people in Springfield when they had a long weekend they would go to St. Louis and I would go why are you going to St. Louis? Well, they're going to go to a game and I go why don't you go camping someplace? It just amazed me the people who already lived in the city wanted to go to a bigger city for a vacation and I really mean this folks. I truly mean this from the bottom of my heart, if you haven't done it, take a vacation. Take a weekend. Take your children, take yourselves. Get the hell out of the city and find a place where water runs, a little brook, a stream, a river, but go someplace where there aren't telephones. Buy a tent and go camping. Alan, how else are people ever going to be able to get in touch with themselves?

Alan:  Well, their time is running out because the agenda is there. It's ongoing very quickly now and you will find that those who are dead already, that they are dead in the world and the few who are truly awake are often caught up in the confusion. There are very few people who are truly awake who've broken through all the confusion, but the agenda is going on right now. Seti, the Egyptian pharoph Seti, was the one who put into effect the long-range plans to lobotomize the public and that's why you have "City."

Jackie:  Alan, we're out of time. We're out of our hour, let me put it that way. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back with you Monday. Alan, thank you for being here.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for being here with us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Wednesday. It is the 20th of April in the year 2005.

Today is Adolph Hitler's birthday and it is also my daughter Nicole's birthday and I used to think that was pretty ashamed. I've told her since I've found out some different things about Adolph Hitler that she could have done worse having her birthday on that same date. I hope you had a nice day today, ladies and gentlemen. We are definitely going to be talking about Codex Alimentaria and just in case – I know that we have thrown that name around. We're not talking about it tonight, but Codex Alimentaria is a plan to harmonize all the food values, vitamins et cetera and to totally control – it has a lot to do with the nutrition that today we have available for at least reasonable prices. What they intend to do with this is to make it so that it would be illegal to have unless it's a real low, low potency, something that would probably do us very little good, unless it was prescribed, and the pharmaceuticals will begin formulating the vitamins. Do you like that?

We will be talking barring any unforeseen events. We will be talking about this on Monday. I spoke with a gentleman today at the suggestion of Mildred, a lovely lady, one of our listeners and a great supporter of this broadcast I must say, and I did speak with him today and he is going to be here with us Monday evening and tonight Alan Watt is with us. Alan? Do you ever think ahead while you're talking?

Alan:  Yes, I do.

Jackie:  That's what I just did. Tonight Alan Watt is with us. Because I didn't have anything prepared for our spiritual message, I'll do this. This is Mother Theresa. It is a writing by Mother Theresa.

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway. If you're kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives. Be kind anyway. If you are successful, you'll win some false friends and some rue enemies. Succeed anyway. If you're honest and frank, people may cheat you. Be honest anyway. What you spent years building someone could destroy overnight. Build anyway.  If you find serenity and happiness, people may be jealous. Be happy anyway. The good you do today people will often forget tomorrow. Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have and it may never be enough. Give the world the best you have anyway. You see in the final analysis it's between you and Creator. It was never between you and them anyway."

 

Alan, thanks for being here tonight.

Alan:  Yes. It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  You know last night when I said your voice sounded low, Mildred called. Well, no, it wasn't. It was Melvin, another one of our listeners, and he just saying how much he appreciated your coming on with us and the information, but he said it was real low at first, or maybe it was Mildred that said that, and then suddenly your voice got nice and loud and clear and it isn't very loud right now.

Alan:  It's not? How's that now?

Jackie:  I don't know, talk.

Alan:  Is that better now?

Jackie:  Maybe a little bit better. But when it comes through clear it's really wonderful. I mean you are clear. It's just kind of muted I guess. Alan? When we talked today earlier and I asked are you okay because I sensed that something was bothering you and what you've began talking about is your concern about what is happening and how fast it's happening today and how important it is that as many people as possible understand, and so that's why we've decided not to have a break like until next Monday and to have you back tonight. So whatever it is in your heart and on your mind that you want to share with our listeners, please do so.

Alan:  I keep telling people that the stage we're at now, this particular stage, is the final battle for human consciousness or the elimination of it. One or the other because the big boys are on a roll and they've written about it for centuries as to what they wanted to do and they are now in the process of doing it. It's like the drugs you were talking about or the vitamins. They're standardizing everything you see across the world.

Jackie:  They call it harmonizing.

Alan:  Yes and what it really is is standardizing and since they are knights and all the rest of it, a knight has a standard and they put that standard in the ground and everything around them from horizon to horizon is now under their standard or it's standardized.

Jackie:  Would you like to expand on that? What did you say, knights of the standard?

Alan:  All of these high Masonic knights, they use knightly emblems and words that we use commonly and we don't think even where they came from.

Jackie:  But they do use the word harmonizing?

Alan:  Oh yes.

Jackie:  And you are right. They are standardizing it, aren't they?

Alan:  They are and even when they were signing the North American agreement, this amalgamation, on the 23rd, as they were doing that, they quipped on the newsreel that even pizza from the north of Canada to the south of Mexico will come under these laws and all the ingredients will be standardized so you get the exact same pizza from north to south.

Jackie:  Oh no. Are you serious?

Alan:  I'm serious. I've got this on tape.

Jackie:  You said that every pizza is going to taste the same?

Alan:  Well, I don't know if it will taste the same but it certainly has the same ingredients in it and it will be the same with everything else. They're going the whole way to standardize everything. It's obsessional compulsion going to the tenth degree and eventually of course they plan to standardize each individual human being, because the chipping is only one part of the process and the next race of slaves that they want will be cloned and they'll be all standardized too. This is how – I wouldn't say insane because they have written about it copiously, but this is how diabolical this whole thing is and we're right on the brink now literally to retain consciousness and that essence which we call humanity is fighting for its life and most people don't even know it. As long as they can come home after working and turn on the television and watch their favorite programs to the very last day, as long the Seinfeld repeats come on or whatever they watch, they'll think everything is okay. This literally is a fight for--

Jackie:  And then there are many of them who think it's wonderful what's happening because it's the sign that Jesus is coming back and he's going to have his kingdom. The seat of his kingdom will be Jerusalem, and my gosh, Alan, there are so many people that actually believe that it's wonderful what's happening because it is that time. Now if a person would read the Protocols and hear what the plan was, regardless who the heck's plan it was, it was laid out this perfectly a hundred years ago. I mean I do understand and our listeners I'm sure get it that it isn't a hundred year old plan. I mean actually in writing how they're going to do it and when you read the Protocols it's right on target and they say that Jerusalem will be their headquarters and their king despot of the blood of Zion will have has quarters there and he will be the pope of the world. Then we find out that Rome has evidentially made plans, and I didn't know this, Alan, to actually move the Vatican to Jerusalem. So do you think a whole bunch of Catholic "Christians" will be cheering and say "look, it's the end, it's the time"?

Alan:  You have to understand that in all the traditional religions have within them the same mystery religion that really runs the show and it's the same with the word "Zion." People don't even know what it means and it's the hermaphroditic deity. That's what it means.

Jackie:  Zion?

Alan:  Yes, and the mountains that they used to worship where the moon passed over the top was called Mt. Sin and that's where SIN comes from. SIN or ZIN, it doesn't matter. Then you have ON, which is the phallic symbol of the male deity or the obelisk which it passes over and of course the pyramid of Cheops, or Khufu as it's called in Egyptian, is the uncapped pyramid. It's the top of an obelisk. That's what it represents and over it passes the moon god SIN.  When you take the first two letters, which is typical of high occult masonry, modern and ancient, you end up with ZI and then ON, Zion. That's what it means. That's what it means to the high masons. It's the completion of the male and female in one because behind all the religions, whether it's Hindu or any of the others, they're all, even ancient Greeks, their god was male and female.

Jackie:  I remember in Genesis where it says, male and female made he them.

Alan:  Yes, and of course if you go into the Talmud they also talk about that. It doesn't mean they made male and female one and one. It can also mean he made a bunch of male and female--

Jackie:  Hermaphrodites.

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  That's kind of how that's said, isn't it, because I remember when I read that I thought it was worded funny. Male and female made he them.

Alan:  If you look at the exact wording in the Greek and you have Imagio, which is the image. It means the perfect likeness, sameness in fact.

Jackie:  So in other words "the architect," what would you call it?  I mean a cloned body, is that what we're talking about, by a hermaphrodite?

Alan:  An exact duplicate of that particular deity and that's the symbol behind even occult Judaism and Catholicism and all the rest of them is a hermaphroditic figure. That's why you have two creations or beginnings of species. Not the first beginnings. They talk about regenerating the planet, which means to repopulate, but you have two beginnings where the deity creates male and female and then later on you look and it says there's no one to till the soil so he creates Adam and Eve. What they're talking about there is those that were made in the same image of the gods, if you like, the human gods, man and woman, are the upper elite group who will control the world; whereas the Adam and Eve types are the workers you see. It's a system that they're describing more than anything else, wrapped up in a story. It's a system.

Jackie:  Well, what is their ultimate plan, Alan? I mean at least as you understand it?

Alan:  The ultimate plan has been laid out and spoken of by many of them such as Aldous Huxley. He went into the fact that science – and that's what they mean in freemasonry when you read them talking about the law of nature and following nature and by dissecting nature. In other words, everything that works in the world of physics and biology et cetera and chemistry; once you understand it all, you can then take the original material and the world which was left imperfect by the Creator (according to masonry) and reshape it into their own perfection. Everything is to be recreated in their own perfection.  Huxley was well into this. Lord Bertrand Russell also talked about the need to do this and Charles Galton Darwin also said exactly the same thing. He says already in the 1950's, Galton Darwin said, in his book, "The Next Million Years," we already have too many of the working and lower classes which will be become unnecessary in the future.

Jackie:  Well sure, they already are with all the computers and robotized machinery.

Alan:  He says we can't allow them to simply proliferate and procreate and reproduce themselves because eventually they'll be too many for them to be controlled by the establishment. None of these authors ever talk about government or democracy, never, because government and democracy is nothing but a front; an absolute front and always has been a front for what we call The Establishment behind it. Whenever you hear the speeches or read the books by these people, they simply give the agenda and they don't even bother to pay lip service to this Punch and Judy show we call politics. They've written about it, what they would have to do and sure enough every year the United Nations since about the 1950's, since the polio vaccine came out in the 1950's, they tell you every year what the male sperm count is in the Western world and they go through the countries. Now they never give a comment. They simply give the statistics as though it's quite natural. Last year they said that the male sperm count in the west was down 75 percent of what it was in 1950. Now that should mean a crisis level if it was some sort of strange natural occurring phenomena like a disease; but if they don't comment on it, it tells you right away this is part of the agenda.

Jackie:  I know but there's still a lot of children being born.

Alan:  There are, but the fact is if you look at the population, especially the white population, it isn't just that they aren't having so many children. It's the fact that the males are becoming almost sterile and what sperm left is too weak to reproduce, so there are other reasons behind this, but this all began with the inoculations. When you mentioned the Protocols they did mention in there that they would kill off people and so on by inoculations. It isn't science fiction of the past we're discussing. It's the laying out of an agenda which is being fulfilled and they've almost reached their goal. Aldous Huxley thought it was just fantastic that they could eventually manipulate the DNA and clone different kinds of people for the task to have to perform—minus that part of the brain that gave them their higher intellect or self-awareness as an individual. That would be cloned out you see.

Then you jump back 2,500 years from when he said it and you have Plato talking about the exact same thing in "The Republic" and Plato belonged to the mystery religions. He was part of the Greek aristocracy and he said, "we the aristocracy are descended from the gods."  You connect that once more with the same God created man and woman and later created Adam and Eve and you're back to the same thing again. There's an upper elite group who literally have been running the world for many thousands of years and they have sham governments as fronts, always, in every country and the agenda has never faltered and no part of the agenda has ever faltered regardless of what political party in power. We are literally at the stage where in 50 years or less, maybe 40 or 30 even, and according to that Loyola University meeting, they hope to have the chipping completed by about 2018. Well, that's the end of individual consciousness for the general population.

Jackie:  I thought 2012 was their magic number.

Alan:  No, they want to start it around then. They want to start it then and have--

Jackie:  Start what the chipping?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  You said they started that back in the '60's.

Alan:  That's when they were experimenting. They want to have the whole population chipped. Now they're going for everyone you see. The experimenting is over. They have the one that works best and they said that at that meeting and now the only problem they have is to convince the general population to accept it. When they were testing them out on people, these subjects didn't even know they were being tested out on; it was done covertly. They've laid their agenda right out and they're going full steam ahead with it.

Jackie:  So people knowing this, what do you think?

Alan:  I think it should be the prime preoccupation of their life from now on to literally—they better—train themselves very, very quickly that they are in the battle for their lives and train themselves not to get distracted or even switch off for a little while to have the relaxation that they're used to or the programming they're used to from TV. They better start dedicating themselves 100 percent to combating this because it's coming fast. In fact, Canada just announced that they're having next year a fake general killer flu alert and they're going to have a massive testing of how the hospitals will react across the whole country next year. In that blurb from the CBC they also mentioned that in the future with the chip implant they'll be able to track down the actual carriers no matter where they go in the world very quickly and so here's another plus you see pushing for the chip. In two or three years time with the propaganda that's coming out, Joe Public, I'm afraid to say it, will actually look upon this and believe this is all for his benefit and will be looking forward to it, never knowing there's a completely different intention behind it because Joe won't know who he is once that switch is thrown. He will be controlled by a computer. He literally will be remote controlled so he won't have the ability to even know he's an individual.

Jackie:  What can Joe do knowing about this?

Alan:  He has to start telling everyone he knows. It's like that quote you read by Mother Theresa. It doesn't matter what they think of you while you're doing it. Do it anyway because it has to be brought out. Everyone has got to at least know the truth behind this and that's the only way they can combat the propaganda that's pushing for it and they better also instruct their children in it too very quickly.

Jackie:  You know this conversation it can just take us everywhere because you know the thought that enters my mind?Unless people have seed – at least the natural seed as we know natural today, because maybe it all has been genetically modified in times gone by, but the kind of food that is being purchased and brought home and eaten from the grocery store with all of the junk that's in it, Alan, and I mean you think about it. I read this a couple of three years ago. They have carrots that you can get a hepatitis B vaccine from and we have know idea what types of vaccines are being – I mean some of these plants are actually growing that vaccine or whatever. It's out of this world, but what good does it do knowing about this when you are eating meat that is irradiated? When you are eating food that has all kinds of preservatives and additives and chemicals and probably vaccines and God only knows what in it. What good is it going to do to know it, Alan?

Alan:  They'll have to spend extra money and try and get organic produce.

Jackie:  You know it is possible, even if you live in an apartment, you can actually grow vegetables in containers. I don't know.

Alan:  But here's the kicker too, you see, there's something else that was talked about recently and I kid you not. It's the banning of home gardens.

Jackie:  Oh yes. That came up a couple of years ago.

Alan:  It came up again from the United Nations. Of course their spin on it is that the additives that people use in the soil and herbicides are destroying Mother Nature et cetera and therefore they want to stop all home gardening and hope to start this program in two years. I mean they're going the whole way and people better understand this very quickly because it's coming to a place near you. They better get up and get off that chair and throw that TV out the window and go to the meetings where they're supposed to be discussing this because they will go through formalities, and they better stand up and say no damn way.

Jackie:  And bring your own documentation and handouts.

Alan:  The fact is you can't leave that meeting until you've got your way because we're in a battle now for our lives. That's what we're in and there are people at the top that quite calmly discussed the elimination remember of over three-quarters of the human race in the next 20, 30 years and they mean it.

Jackie:  I know they do mean it. I know that. And you know when we get into these types of conversations and it's like we're swimming in it as we're discussing it and always what comes back to my mind is that there is nothing more important right now than to get our own house in order and I'm talking about our own spiritual house.

Alan:  That's right. Everyone's disconnected, or, if they're plugged in at all, it's to a regular church which isn't speaking out about the very things we're talking about because they're part of the agenda, the control agenda. I mean why aren't the churches speaking out about this and telling their flock the sheep what to eat or what grass to eat here? They're saying nothing about it because they're part of the control and organized religion has always been used for that very purpose.

Jackie:  Yes, and Passover is coming up and there will be a whole, whole, whole slew of Christian Zionists or whatever in God's name they call themselves that will be taking the Seder meal in the synagogue with the Talmudists. We have to take a break here.

Alan:  The time is getting so short as to where the world is going and how were all just going along, like the Pied Piper's followers, in a trance, being entertained to death and the entertainment is actually our programming. If we look at the movies they're churning out and have been since the Loyola meeting to do with chipping the brain, where they said that all novels and movies would start to contain stories about this and point out all the plusses. You simply take the Matrix movie as an example and you have Neo, who is the new man to come. His name means "new" and of course Anderson comes from Andros, which is the Greek word for man. He is the new son of man, and how does he get in and out of the Matrix? He plugs himself into it from the back of his head and he has all these amazing powers and the children think that this is fantastic and of course the whole idea is to make people believe you will have super powers. Now I'm well aware that there are people who will want to escape from the world and plug themselves in like the Lawnmower Man and that is up to them, but for those who are beginning to wake up, I think they should start shaking themselves awake very fast and learning fast and dedicating themselves to fighting this because once it's happened, that's it. It’s game over. There's no second chance. It literally will be the end of consciousness as you know it. A good book to read on that is "The Ghost in the Machine," and here's another problem with modern society. Most people who are on the internet tell me they cannot read a book anymore. They just simply can't go through a book because they're getting bits and bites and that's their new language is little bits of things.

Jackie:  What do you mean by that, Alan, people who are on the internet?

Alan:  I get them phoning me up and they'll ask me where do I find this information or that information. I'll tell them well you go to your library; I'll give them the names of the books to look up. Most of these types of books are available at the library or can be gotten through inter-library loans. As soon as I mention a book, they tell me that right out that they can't read a book anymore.

Jackie:  How do you respond to that?

Alan:  Well, I say why bother phoning me for information with a clarification that they'll only look into it if it's on the internet. Now the internet is designed to be fast-paced and to recondition the minds to think in short bits and bites, and people who use the internet a lot, I've noticed, they don't read anything right through. They get bits and bites of it and this is again intentional. Zbigniew Brzezinski talked about giving it to the people back in the 1960's and what its real function would be. It's a preparatory phase of conditioning the mind to actually to the binary code, because the whole computer system runs on zeros and ones, ones and zeros, and hence the high number 10 in Masonry. It's conditioning the actual minds to be nearer to a computer's logic than a human logic and they don't realize this.

Jackie:  There are whole books on the internet.

Alan:  Yes, but they can't ready anything right through. Now, anyway, getting back to "The Ghost in the Machine," for those who can't be bothered to read the whole book, just read the last chapter and that's by a man employed initially by Stalin as an officer. He helped in the starvation of millions of Ukrainians and he tells you in his own writing in that book that he was so conditioned in believing in the communist system that what he was doing was part of "historical necessity." That's the term they use when they have to eliminate vast populations.

Jackie:  You mean that's what he was told and he believed it?

Alan:  Yes. Now you think after he tells you this that obviously he'd changed his mind.

Jackie:  That's what I was going to ask.

Alan:  But that's the big shocker when you find out that, no, he came over to New York worked for the United Nations. He taught in universities there and he worked for the UN think tanks on ways to literally lobotomize that part of the brain, the higher intellect, and that's why it's called "The Ghost in the Machine."  It's that illusive part that is your spiritual connection with the body, you might say, that makes you you and his job was to try different techniques. He said there were other think tanks and they had regular meetings and the other think tanks were employing other means of trying to achieve the same ends, and he worked for about 20 years on this very problem. In the last chapter of the book he goes through not only what they decided on doing and he does mention, by the way, dumbing the people down through altering the food, adding chemicals to the water and so on to make them more accepting of the next phase, and he also rationalizes the reasons for having to do this to bring world peace. Utopia to these elitists is going to be a hell for everyone else if they get their way and these people are deadly, deadly serious.

Jackie:  You know, Alan, utopia for them is whoever is left of the underlings will be so drugged or maybe they won't even need to be drugged by then, but I don’t know if there's any truth to what their plan is if you're reading like "This Perfect Day" or "1984," those. They have the drugs. Anybody who suddenly felt some type of emotion reached in their pocket and took out a soma and took the pill to get those emotions gone. Well, think about this. If this is true, I don't know, but it has been reported in newspaper reports that they're finding high quantities of Prozac and all these psychotropic drugs. Evidentially, what the body doesn't absorb is being excreted and it is not being filtered out; it's in the drinking water, Alan.

Alan:  It's been in the drinking water because they're also spraying it along with other chemicals in these trails above our heads.

Jackie:  You're assuming that.

Alan:  No. Rumsfeld said it right after 9/11 on television; he was asked what their plans were if there was another major crisis in a city where the people began to panic and he said, "we already have chemicals to spray over entire cities containing Prozac and Valium; aerosolized Prozac and Valium."  Now if he said that then it doesn’t take much to come up with the equation that they're already do it and of course because it's being found in the drinking water is simply diverting reality of where it's coming from. Because the people today, many people are beginning to lose their short-term memory and I've talked to many people who complained of it and yet they feel sort of happy as though they're tranquilized and that's what's happening. It makes perfect sense as we go through these massive world changes and societal changes, the biggest changes that have ever happened since the Industrial Revolution began and all the people were moved into the cities. We’re going through the biggest changes society has seen for hundreds of years.

Jackie:  Hundreds of years?

Alan:  Yes and it makes perfect sense to drug down the people as you bring them through it. It makes perfect sense, but Rumsfeld admitted that.

Jackie:  Do you feel tranquilized?

Alan:  Not so much. Occasionally I'll get bouts of being tired, but what I've also noticed is those who are really, really awake prior to this don't seem to be affected the same way and I think it's because they're so used to studying that their mind sort of compensates, because as you study you must memorize and so on. It keeps your mind alert.

Jackie:  Do you suppose there could be something to it, those who are more spiritually conscious or connected, aware of the connection?

Alan:  I think so.

Jackie:  Maybe so, Alan.

Alan:  There's no doubt about it. I've done my own sort of unofficial surveys and that's what I come up with all the time. As I say, you must always be able to jump from where you are into the mind of the controllers and you can only do it by studying them and their writings. It makes perfect sense to drug the people as you're bringing them through such incredible changes, leading ultimately to the extinction of individual consciousness. You would have to drug them and make them happy.

Jackie:  Or not necessarily happy, just emotionless. Happiness is an emotion, Alan, and unless they're giving a happy pill, I would think that it would be just an emotionless that they wouldn't feel much of anything.

Alan:  Well, they don't, you see. They don't even respond much – I mean they can sit there and eat their dinners and watch Iraqis blown up by mistake, whole villages, and it doesn’t bother them. If you can't cry for every catastrophe that's occurred on this planet to all the different people, if you can't cry for them, there's something wrong with you.

Jackie:  Well, if we did that we would be crying all the time.

Alan:  We should be crying all the time.

Jackie:  I mean the sorrow or the compassion that you feel.

Alan:  It's the empathy and when you lose empathy then you're emotionally stunted. Something has happened to you and that means that if all those around you are the same, well, who's going to cry for you when they come for you?  No one will, so we better wake up fast and really see what's going on here and try to become as human as possible, and by that, I mean use the humaneness within you. Use it with others fast and for others fast, regardless of what they think of you because the time is really getting short now. When you watch how much spraying they're doing almost all over the planet right now on a daily basis – we're watching clouds that have come out of science fiction movies but they're right above our head and it's no movie and this is happening daily now. These clouds are becoming the new norm to most people who can't remember what the old clouds look like. They have gone the whole way. They have tampered with the food. They have altered them for vaccinations, but it's done to such a micro level that they can also create drugs within the food as well, just like soma was opium and we know where opium comes from. It comes from a plant. They're simply doing the same thing again.

Jackie:  That's why they called George Bush's father Poppy.

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Not because he was his papa, but because of his opium dealings. We have a call here. Hi, you're on the air. Who are we talking to?

Myron:  Yes. Good evening. This is Myron from Georgia.

 

Jackie:  Hi Myron.

Myron:  Yes, I called in last night also. I'll be very brief as possible. I want to state that I received Mr. Watt's booklets and I thoroughly enjoyed them. Very, very informative. I'd like to say something. I've done my own personal research on freemasonry and I went to the local library within my town as well and I came across a book. It's an autobiography of Albert Pike and the name of the book was "The Man Beyond the Monument" and the author's name is Jim Tresner. Within the book he states that Albert Pike made a remark, and if I may, may I share my brief remarks of what Albert Pike had stated?

 

Jackie: Yes do Myron.

Myron:  It states on page 76 of his book was a remark made by Albert Pike is this.

            "To the ancients, this light was an outflowing from the Deity. To us, as to them, it is the apt symbol of truth and knowledge. Masonry is a march and a struggle toward the Light. For the individual as well as the nation, Light is Virtue, Manliness, Intelligence, Liberty. Tyranny over the soul or body, is darkness. Masonry to the Masonic Brethren is a search after, and a journeying toward Light. The Masonic Light is Truth. It is the inculcation of truth by means of symbols and instructions. Teaching a pure morality by its lessons and lectures, it is also a great system of philosophy and of political and of religious truth concealed by symbols." Thank you, ma'am.

Jackie:  Thank you, Myron. Alan, now I've said this before so often because what he was reading didn't sound terrible. Tyranny over the souls of man is darkness. How do you explain this?

Alan:  Because on the lower levels that's exactly the propaganda they do put out and you must remember even the word "man" does not refer to ordinary people in their religion. The profane are not really men and women. In fact the profane are subhuman and of course when you really – well, read Albert Pike's own book, not by someone else. Read Albert Pike's "Morals and Dogma" and he tells you that freemasonry is a religion and he tells you again, he says, "make no mistake. Lucifer is God," and unfortunately so is Adonai.

Jackie:  He says that in "Morals and Dogma"?

Alan:  It's in "Morals and Dogma". Make no mistake, he says, "Lucifer is God." Lucifer is the light you see he's talking about.

Jackie:  In the Masonic rituals, I actually have this in Chapter 16 and 17 of the book, they say to the freemasons when they get up high enough the lost word is Jehovah. That's in one of the initiations or the part – so Lucifer and Jehovah are the Masonic gods?

Alan:  They're two sides of the same coin.

Jackie:  Well of course. I mean Lucifer – the reason I'm saying this is because of the call I received from a listener who said that referring to Jehovah as Lucifer is blasphemy, well but it isn't Jehovah it's Yahweh, and that I was being put on an altar, that he would take me if I was wrong or take her if she was wrong. Now this is not a cruel lady. What she is saying she means it with all of her heart and soul because she believes with all her heart and soul that Yahweh, or however they do it, that is creator and that is the god Jehovah but it's using his name wrong. You see the whole thing is so twisted.

Alan:  When you cut through the chase of freemasonry, most people don't get beyond the third degree and they're quite happy as a Master Mason, you see, but "life begins at 40" and that's what it means, the 40th degree is when they start to tell you what the real truth is.

Jackie:  There was a Masonic song and it was sung to the tune of "God Save the King," which is the same tune of, what is it, "Oh Beautiful for Spacious Skies," or whatever, well right in that song the lyric are Jehovah, Jove, Oh Lord.

Alan:  That's right and Rudyard Kipling also wrote it and he said, "Jehovah, Jove, by George."  It's a big joke to them because ultimately in freemasonry the high masons are taught the truth. As they come in the Grand Master sits in the East you see where the sun rises--

Jackie:  Yes and you know what they say?

Alan:  And they go round the altar and the secret is that you have become a god.

Jackie:  They're building temples and tabernacles in the soul of man and nations, and when they ask which way are you traveling from Babylon to Jerusalem. This is up somewhere around the 16th or something like that level but it deals with Jerusalem and the temple and the avenging of Hiram Abiff and it all goes--

Alan:  Hiram Abiff is not a person. It's a symbol of the higher self, the godhood within man, and the three unworthy craftsman that they talk about they often call it the JUWES; like Jack the Ripper used. It's desire, thought and action. That's what they stand for. Desire, thought and action used impulsively will kill the higher god within you and you become the low profane. That's what it means. It's all allegory you see.

Jackie:  I know but you know there is so many people who say I am a Christian and worship and adore Yahweh, Jehovah, Jove, Lucifer and they don't even realize they're doing it, Alan.

Alan:  That's how far mind control can take you and really it's also a choice for them and you can't really do anything about it. The time has come where you have to concentrate on people who do want it. Those who are worshipping the traditional religions, on the one hand, they're preaching the terror of the last days, the ETs, extraterrestrial or end times; they have a joke for that one. On the other hand, after they've terrified their flock, they say: "but don't worry, God is in control" – so who's doing it?

Jackie:  Yes and Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you.

Alan:  Exactly.

Jackie:  And if that isn't the most outward of our expression, and I know I'm not saying that mine is, but that would be our desire to be an expression of our creator.

Alan:  Remember Albert Pike was also a member of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (SRFM) and if you speak it, you see, that's another one of their little tricks, if you speak it you have Seraphim. Seraphim are the highest order of angels beneath the Cherubim, and the Scottish Rite calls themselves the Order of the Perfection. When you're perfect, a Perfecti, you are now a god on earth; but of course they can't publicize that at the bottom.

Jackie:  One of the degrees is called the Knights of Kadosh or something like that. In my researching I find that the first Jewish synagogue or temple or whatever, was the temple or the whatever, Kadosh, and there we are in one of those degrees of freemasonry.

Alan:  It was also a battle place.

Jackie:  Okay. We've got a call here. Go ahead caller. Who's there?

Kate:  Hi Jackie. This is Kate.

Jackie:  Yes Kate.

Kate:  I want to know from Alan, you know the Catholic Church years ago have been taken over by the Jewish masons--

Jackie:  Yes, we've only got a couple of minutes, honey, so be quick.

Kate:  What I want to know is this other pope that died or they killed him, why did he always hit the ground when he got off the plane?

Jackie:  Alan?

Alan:  I think he was afraid of flying, or maybe he was just kissing his own property, but the fact is the mystery religions has been always present within all organized religions. It's behind it.

Jackie:  We’re out of time.

Alan:  Okay.

Jackie:  Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back Monday. Thank you, Alan.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Wednesday. It is the last night of our broadcast week of course and our guest again this evening is Alan Watt. Alan, thanks for being here tonight.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Let me do this and as you know, I was just a little bit behind tonight when you called. What I would like to do first of all from Matthew 25, Jesus said:

             "For I was hungry and you gave me meat. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took me in naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came unto me; inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these my brethren ye have done it unto me."

 

I like that. That's pretty. That's so real, isn't it, Alan?

Alan:  It is, yes, and there's no money involved.

Jackie:  Well I know but what I mean is that it is true. Let me put it that way: that what we do to one or for one, it's to all or for all.

Alan:  That's right. It's natural humanity.

Jackie:  That's what I mean. What I would appreciate if you would do – I know we talked about it last night, but let our listeners know again this evening. Folks, today is Wednesday it is the 27th of April in the year 2005. Maybe I gave the date, I don’t think I did. Today is Chuck's birthday, his birthday in this third dimensional world, and I just wanted to remember him to you, folks. Alan, if you will, tell our listeners about the books.

 

Alan:  My books go through freemasonry, the banking system of ancient times up to the present, how countries were taken over and empires built up and then destroyed as the money powers moved on. I also go into how these bankers created the world religions and helped to dominate the peoples they took over in foreign countries by imposing these religions, installing priesthoods, generally from the Middle East, and setting up churches in each country, which also served as a branch of their banking system. Therefore, the gold that was lent to these countries ended up underneath these churches for so-called "safe keeping." It's an interesting read, each one of them, and the secret society that was on the go 5,000 BC is still on the go today and that's why nothing really changes. [See www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information.]  It's the same system of debt creation, which gives power to private bankers over the countries and obviously then it gives the bankers the right to dictate policies of those countries, just like Alan Greenspan does.

In Canada we have the Bank of Canada, which is not a Canadian bank, it's actually a board of men who were picked by the international bankers who liaised with the Canadian government. They've pulled this trick in every country and really only 12 families or so are the international families which lend to every country, and technically they lend nothing, but they want repayment in real goods or gold and that's how it is up until the present system.

Jackie:  And they never print enough money to pay the usury that's charged.

Alan:  That's correct and they must always keep a country in debt. Even in ancient times when they would take over a country by force, often, because they employed armies of countries they'd already conquered, they would install what they called a tyrant or dictator and he was well-paid for his function and he would immediately start massive public works and projects and build mausoleums and so on. Of course, this was borrowed from the bankers and they created the debt system, which was based also on compound interest, meaning you could never get away from the debt. You couldn't pay it off, so the bankers ended up having complete control over the country through the front man who was the tyrant or dictator. Later on, of course, they gave us democracy, so you have a bunch tyrants basically fronting for the bankers and it's all the same system. They're all Masons of high degree, pre-picked before the public even see them up for election and they vowed complete obedience to the organization they serve, which is not the people you see. It's an ancient system. It's well documented in some books in fact and even many of the ancient Greeks especially wrote about these bankers and how they operated and how they had been taking over the countries 2,000 BC by the same techniques.

Jackie:  And they wrote about it in Genesis.

Alan:  That's why they put Genesis together, the "Gene of Isis," because it contains their mystery religion and of course religion dominates the mind. That's what its function was meant to do. It limits your scope of thinking.

Jackie:  I received a call from a listener last night and he is a long-time listener but he was really thrilled to hear you mention the CIA behind many of the shortwave alternative broadcasts, but he said, " to be honest with you, I had quit listening for a while when you had Alan on and he said that Jesus was the same as Jupiter." And I said no he didn't and he was convinced and I said, "no, you misunderstood what he told us," and I looked it up of course. I didn't carry this on in the conversation but you can search and find it in so many places that Jehovah, Jupiter, Jove, are all one and the same.

Alan:  That's right. Rudyard Kipling even wrote a little poem on it, and it ended with "Jehovah, Jupiter, Jove, by George." That's how it ended; he was a high mason too, so they all know. Of course it's a mystery religion and it's been around for thousands and thousands of years and they've controlled all other established religions. They certainly took them over from the beginning. You can see even in the New Testament where you have obviously a person who was doing extraordinary things such as taking bankers out of the temple, standing up to the priesthoods of his day and decrying them for what they were, which again was front men for other powers, so you can see there was a real person there. Where it comes to the addition of the old mystery religion which Rome put on it, you can see the 12 disciples and Jesus as the sun, so they added on the old mystery religion on top of the real character you might say.

Jackie:  The real individual, the real person?  I'm sorry. You go right ahead, Alan.

Alan:  It's easy to discern a real person and what a real person is doing, as opposed to the standard sun and the 12 disciples, or the sun and the 12 signs of the zodiac, which had preceded the idea for thousands of years. In the Egyptian times it was 10 signs of the zodiac and they changed two of the signs. One was a hippo and one was an alligator, although the hippo was more important to the sign at the time.

Jackie:  Why? What did it mean?

Alan:  It's the only animal which can fart through its mouth.

Jackie:  Are you serious?

Alan:  Yes. It's a fact.

Jackie:  Is that a joke?

Alan:  It's true. It's a pretty formidable animal and you don't want to face it anyway.

Jackie:  Well, wouldn't we call that a burp?

Alan:  Not really. This literally was from the other end. It came right through its mouth.

Jackie:  Oh my, my. But that's why it was so important?

Alan:  It's because it could also swim underwater and on land, and of course they like the symbol of the Nile bringing the life to the area and onto the land and so the hippo could signify that or symbolize that. It could swim into the water and come onto the land.

Jackie:  One of the thoughts that I have had – you know you have shown us how they have used the astrological wheel, all of that, as part of their mystery religion. Well, Alan, they don't do that for fun. My thought is well and I don't know. You may not agree with this and that's okay, but I find that there – for example, if an individual has an astrological chart drawn up the person who draws up the chart, the astrologer, if it's a good one, doesn’t have to know anything about the individual and like a natal chart. Of course it doesn't mean your life is mapped out but it seems to me that there is relevance in understanding the energy from the different planets and how they play upon us at certain times and it's just too accurate in too many ways for too many people for there not to be some merit to it; but maybe that's why in the Old Testament they tell you not to go to astrologers, because I think Christians think that it's sinful et cetera, et cetera, but I would like your comments on that. I mean why – for example, the number 13. I thought about this and of course they gave us Jesus and his 12 disciples. Were there 12 disciples? I don't know but I thought to myself – in fact I've said it. One time I was talking to a group and somebody was talking about the number 13 and I said well the energy, the color, each color has its own – would we call it a vibration or frequency, and the tuned and musical tones, the notes, everything really is quite beautiful the way everything kind of meshes and joins together. But I thought well maybe there's something about the number 13 the energy of it that is powerful. So we're told that it's an unlucky number and they won't put a thirteenth floor on a building et cetera, et cetera. And Jesus, what was it, his 33rd year, did he begin or was he crucified?

Alan:  Crucified.

Jackie:  Okay, so they use these numbers and they use the astrological signs and dates, and I wonder if that has to do with what they call their windows of opportunity.

Alan:  They definitely use the solar chart as a timetable because it's a clock and it's a clock which deals in hundreds and thousands of years, and their plans are ancient, but they say themselves the plan came down or came to them around 4,500 BC. That's when the plan to take the entire planet over and how it would be done was supposedly drawn up. That's why you see two dates on Masonic temples, the date it was built, in modern numbers and times, and they had the other one with AL on it (Anno Lucifer), the fall of Lucifer. They have that date plus the 4,500 years tacked on to it.

Jackie:  Didn't you say this plan is much older than even that?

Alan:  I believe so. In fact I think that plan is only one phase of a much older plan.

Jackie:  In other words, maybe it was the tweaking. Maybe they tweaked it.

Alan:  Or revised it.

Jackie:  Or revised it. It was like that Rabbi Ricorn said at some funeral. This is a quote allegedly. I wasn't there so I can't say for a fact, but what he said in this, it was at a eulogy, I believe, a friends funeral, he said we get together every 100 years to take a look at where we are and to plan out the next 100. You know, Alan, I thought my goodness, because when you read the Protocols and you see how everything is falling right into place and according to the way they laid it out. Then you think well that was 100 years ago, but we know they say in the Protocols it is said this plan that we have had underway for 2,000, 25-whatever-hundred years. Well, it makes sense that every 100 years or so--

Alan:  It's no different from any corporation. They literally plan ahead 100 years.

Jackie:  Boy, do they plan.

Alan:  Even the World Council of Churches plans ahead in 100 years and of course David Rockefeller started that up.

Jackie:  Getting back to the astrological thing, if they are the keepers of the truth, of the mysteries and it is so important to them, I guess what I am saying is that it makes some sense to me that there is something to it and they don't want people to know.

Alan:  It's not that at all actually.

Jackie:  What is it?

Alan:  They wanted people to believe exactly what you've said, that there's strange powers and so on, that's the exoteric, but they kept the esoteric meanings to themselves. Pythagoras of course was the first one to write about this in the Greek language.

Jackie:  Write about what?

Alan:  This particular – you were talking about colors, tones, astrological signs and so on. In fact the name "tone" comes from Pythagoras and the tone of a color or the tone of a sound comes from Pythagoras and the weight ton all comes from that as well.

Jackie:  But I'm talking about a type of energy or frequency.

Alan:  That's what they talk about.

Jackie:  Now maybe all of this is a lie. In a book that I read "Tuning the Human Instruments," and this was written I think back in the '70's, that they were experimenting in Russia using let's say vitamin E. There's a certain energy frequency from vitamin C and that they were literally using those frequencies to—how would you say it? Not inject, because they're not using needles, but that energy, that frequency that vitamin E makes up that literally people were able to have those vitamins. Am I making any sense? Are you understanding what I'm saying?

Alan:  I've not quite got the end part.

Jackie:  In other words, why do you say they want you to think that a color has a certain frequency or a tone has a certain frequency?

Alan:  What Pythagoras did – and remember he had been trained in Egypt and went back and taught in Crotona, which was a Greek outpost, and he started his own school up. He, like many afterwards, he recruited young aristocrats who had to pass tests to get in and they had to also have a vow of silence for the first three or four years, just like the later Essenes, because that was a later edition of the mystery religion. Then he selected certain ones to go into the real mysteries and he also taught females and gave them a great education and they became so desirable amongst the nobility, and the female's job was to go out basically and help to subtly take over the mind of the nobility that she married and change their political persuasions and so on, so it was a form of control.

Now for the general population, which they called the profane, the people who are uneducated, they gave out the stories of magic, mysticism, again that these were real powers in the sky et cetera, the constellations and the planets. However, for themselves they used it all as allegories for other things, which was to do primarily with the aspects of their plan for the future and the time clock. That's why George Bush, Sr. after he mentioned the New World Order looked up and he said, "everything is going to the heavenly plan."  He was talking about Aquarius, the Age of Aquarius that we are in now.

Jackie:  Fine. That's what I'm saying. It means something to them.

Alan:  It's nothing more than a timepiece for them because it's been used before.

Jackie:  But they have their windows of opportunity. I've heard them say it.

Alan:  Yes, and they must through them, but that's why all the early symbols of Christianity was never the cross. You'll always find it inscribed as the fish, for the Age of Pisces, so the Age of Christ was to take us through the Age of Pisces. That's why it's written, and of course it's tampered with, but it's written that Jesus tells them to go and find a man carrying a picture of water, signifying the end of his reign.

Jackie:  The age of Pisces?

Alan:  That's right and so Aquarius is the carrier of the water. Now the water itself is a feminine symbol, so that's when women must rise to the top to be used, not for their own purposes, but to be used by those behind the Grand Plan. It's working very successfully as you see the destruction of everything that was in order to make way for that which is to come. This is an incredible – you can't really read about it in five minutes. You'd have to read and study the Egyptian Book of the Dead and you'd have to study many of the inscriptions that were left by the scribes of Egypt and cursive shorthand, which they had as well as the hieroglyphics, and you compare that with Babylon, what's been dug up there and their inscriptions, and then you'll find it's the same mystery religion in every empire that ever existed down through time.

Jackie:  And is that where the Cabbalistic--

Alan:  The Cabbalism was literally taken from Babylon. It didn't originate in Jerusalem and the Cabbala was added to the--

Jackie:  The mysteries?

Alan:  Yes. That's why it has the 10 fruits on the trees of the Tree of Life, because at that time when Babylon created the Cabbala there were only 10 signs of the zodiac you see. So it's a very, very in depth mystery religion and you have to study it intensely to understand the different languages and miss nothing. If you miss anything at all, you can miss the most amazing things.

Jackie:  Okay, the "Egyptian Book of the Dead," is that available in English?

Alan:  Yes. You can get translations.

Jackie:  Are there translations that are real and translations that are lies?

Alan:  You'll get different translations. You have to go back to either Beardsen who was the initial historian--

Jackie:  How do you spell that?

Alan:  B-E-A-R-D-S-E-N, I think it is.

Jackie:  Would that book be available?

Alan:  It should be through libraries.

Jackie:  I would just buy the "Egyptian Book of the Dead?"

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And do you have a first name for this Beardsen guy?

Alan:  Oh no. He's always just called Beardsen and also you can get E.A. Wallis Budge, who was another translator in the early part of the 1900's.

Jackie:  But let me ask you this: Are they the same translation?

Alan:  They're pretty similar because you must remember from the hieroglyphs and you're talking a different language into another language, you have to often--

Jackie:  Substitute words.

Alan:  Substitute and almost unfortunately destroy some of the meanings, or else use more than just one word to translate one word. You might use a phrase occasionally to try and get the whole meaning of it there.

Jackie:  Well, let me ask you this: Have you read both Beardsen and Budge's "Egyptian Book of the Dead?"

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  If you were going to recommend one, which one would it be?

Alan:  Budge's is cheaper and it's just as good really.

Jackie:  E.A. Wallis Budge.Thank you, because you see I'm still not really following what you're saying. You're saying they want us to think that there is some importance to the astrological signs and times and ages, but there really isn't, but they use it for their own plan.

Alan:  No. They want you to think that there's a magic quality to it.

Jackie:  I don't understand. What do you mean magic quality?

Alan:  That there's forces and powers you can get from the stars or the planets.

Jackie:  When I was saying what I was saying, I wasn't talking about forces or powers. I was talking about influence of the particular planets at particular times et cetera and you know that I am not a fool. I know that I have been naïve. I know I've come out of a lot of ignorance and I've got a long way to go. I have had an astrological chart drawn up and the person that did it did not know me from Adam; and it was me, the natal chart that was drawn up. And I had one drawn on the girls and maybe our listeners are going to think I'm cuckoo and New Age and all that, but the reason I did is because I saw how very much the chart that was drawn up on me was me and there are influences that maybe can be helpful throughout our life, and I don't mean using that to live by. I don't mean that at all but there is something to it. That's what I'm saying. I don't know what it is to it, but if these guys use it – and you know what, we've got to take our break first. We're back. Alan, thanks. Okay, well, I don't know. Maybe we ought to just get off the subject because it just isn't making sense, what I'm not doing and it isn't because I don't want to understand. I'm just not understanding what you're saying. They use this and yet--

Alan:  They used it for their own plan's time-clock, you see, and every symbol and every planet is a symbol of part of their action, like Mars is a God of War, for instance, that type of thing; so when that would come into the appendancy, that means that they would use that time for their war.

Jackie:  The wars have been going on forever.

Alan:  Oh, I know, but the big ones at certain times, the really big ones, the big changes, that's really what they mean by that.

Jackie:  So in other words, it isn't a particular really more effective for them. It isn't more that they can influence people more at that particular time. It's just the timeframe that they use?

Alan:  That's it, yes, and as I say, they planned it such a long time ago. I don't think it's the first time it's happened and the Hindus say that we go through these phases you might say of birth, living and then destruction. These are called "ages" and of course in the legends of all peoples we have these world disaster periods, floods and earthquakes and so on. Even in Sumer, in the Sumerian tablets, they claim that prior to their coming into existence, their city, there had been catastrophes on the earth where old continents had sunk and new ones had arisen from the sea.

Jackie:  That they created?

Alan:  It's possible. If you go into the writings of Tacitus, who wrote for Nero, he talked to the Druids in Britain and they claim that they had records of three previous ages, maybe 125,000 years apart, and that the survivors and the high priests of course, always the nobility--

Jackie:  They do survive, don't they?

Alan:  Yes. They tunneled into mountains and took provisions in to live for long periods; and that tallies with the records of Greece, where their priesthood tunneled into Mt. Parnassus and claimed the same thing that they survived the disasters.

Jackie:  We'll take a call. Do you have more you want to say on that, Alan?

Alan:  That also tallies with the story of the Ark, because there's no Ark as such, it's allegory, but the mountain Ararat that it lies upon is riddled with tunnels.

Jackie:  There we are. We have a call. Okay, you're on the air. Who are we talking to?

Myron:  Yes. Good evening Ms.--

Jackie:  Oh, is it Myron?

Myron:  Yes it is. How are you?

Jackie:  I'm fine.

Myron:  Good evening Mr. Watt.

Alan:  Good evening.

Jackie:  Okay, go ahead.

Myron:  Last night I heard you mention Passover and I was wondering if Mr. Watt could explain this teaching of the Passover that many ministers teach out of the Old Testament and what is the symbolism or the meaning of this Passover that's really being talked about?

Jackie:  Okay, good question, Myron.

Myron:  Yes, thank you.

Jackie:  Give him just a minute to get his radio turned up, Alan. Okay, Passover.

Alan:  That was a fairly recent invention because the historian Josephus, who lived in the 1st century AD, claims that the Passover was a fairly new institution and it hadn't actually grounded itself with any historical past.

Jackie:  Wasn't the Old Testament already written then?

Alan:  I doubt it.

Jackie:  It was the first century AD?

Alan:  Yes, I don't think the Old Testament was all written at all.

Jackie:  Not all written but weren't those first five books already put into--

Alan:  That's the first five books of Moses. The thing is, as Josephus said, there was no – it was hazy as to why it came into existence. It was a festival time and sometime it had been equated with a festival of lights, which they usually had at these times, but, as far as a bloody sacrifice type thing, that wasn't part of it at that time in his day.

Jackie:  Hanukkah as they call their festival of lights, but I'm reminded of Velikovsky's book and you had mentioned him so often and World's in Collision" and oh my goodness, Alan. That book and the "Earth in Upheaval," I couldn't put them down when I got started reading. This is another thing. I'm glad Myron brought this up because I was thinking of that because it doesn't jive with Velikovsky's book, as far as at least that one "Cataclysm" and I think it was supposed to be around 3,600 years ago when the comet came around and did all the damage et cetera, but he talks in there about what the rabbis actually said about that time because it wasn't something the way the story was written in Exodus. It was a worldwide conflagration.

Alan:  In fact, the Babylonian priests wrote more about it than anybody because they were the main scientists of their day and astronomers. After it was over they were called into Egypt because they had to reset the world calendar because the time of the earth's spinning had changed.

Jackie:  The sun was even coming up from a different place.

Alan:  Yes and when it settled down.

Jackie:  And they had to find out where the seasons were.

Alan:  They had to reset the calendar.

Jackie:  Well, here's the thing, that in Velikovsky's book, he said that – well, you know in the Old Testament version in Exodus that the sun was gone for three days and the darkness was terrible. Well, on the other side of the earth, historical writings say that the sun stayed in the sky for three days and the rivers running red with blood. It was happening all over the world because of some stuff that was coming out of the tail of that comet--

Alan:  It was raining fire.

Jackie:  They said that too, but the red – Velikovsky mentions this in his book from many different sources and it was almost a water soluble type of a mineral and it did stink and--

Alan:  And it also burned up the cattle and it was red hot.

Jackie:  Therefore these rabbis and it was a compendium I think of what the rabbis basically said, that the so-called Exodus – people were leaving because they were looking for food. They were looking for water and that if there were – if they were not Hyksos, if they were whatever his chosen people were, that 49 out of 50 of them died and it wasn't just them leaving.

Alan:  No, no. Everybody was running.

Jackie:  Everybody was on the move.

Alan:  Also the peoples of the sea were coming in from another direction hoping to get away from it too.

Jackie:  Right. Therefore what the Pharisees, scribes, whoever wrote all of this, they just took a historical event and wound it into--

Alan:  A myth.

Jackie:  The private little story about the chosen people.

Alan:  It's a myth.

Jackie:  Yes, a myth and that Jehovah brought all these curses down on the pharaoh's people because pharaoh wouldn't let his people go because Jehovah had hardened his heart so he could--

Alan:  Well, that's fine. Jehovah was more honest because he also played the devil you see.

Jackie:  You know this seems awful stupid to me and I don't mean to offend anybody but this is supposed to be our loving Creator and he says well I want you to go get my people. You tell the pharaoh to let them go but I'm not going to let them. I know he's not going to let them go because I'm going to harden his heart so they won't and then I'll bring all these plagues down and I can prove to the world that I'm the Lord God almighty.

Alan:  Really, he's playing solitaire with himself.

Jackie:  I don't mean to joke about it because I know to some people this is very hurtful, but, gee, all we have to do is take a look at it and say wait a minute. It depends upon our concept. Of course I don't know that any of us have truly the concept of Creator, but we can know what it isn't, Alan.

Alan:  Well, that's it and in the Talmud they're more upfront with that, that no one can actually know or figure out the mind of a creator.

Jackie:  Do they actually say that?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Okay, so then who do they say Jehovah was?

Alan:  That's another deity. They even have another story of Moses. In the Talmud it's different from the one in the Old Testament.

Jackie:  Do they?

Alan:  Moses was actually a full Egyptian, Ramoses; it means child, Child of RA.

Jackie:  Son of RA.

Alan:  So he left and he wanted to take over the pharaoh's job and he went to Ethiopia and builds himself up there, recruited an army and went to attack Egypt, so there's a whole different story told in the Talmud.

Jackie:  Okay, Myron's actual question was: Is their symbology there?

Alan:  There's astronomical symbologies and also agricultural symbology. It's a pass-over from death into life for spring and planting, the crops and so on. It's all nature and pantheistic, really, and it's a time for planting and also for seed. It symbolizes the death lying through the winter comes to life again, the resurrection.

Jackie:  Like Easter?

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Just like Easter. Okay. All right, that makes sense.  Freemasonry, for anybody who’s a freemason who might be listening or who knows one, I'd like to share, if I may, Alan – this is a part that I had forgotten all about. They suck them in and they stroke them and groom them and they mention some place in here it will be the people in high offices and it will be the judges and the administrators and you mentioned I think last night the captains, the police forces. All of them and there they are and they say oh well we might spare them or some of them but the others we'll kill.

 

Alan:  There's one thing that Masons do allow the public to know through a rumor, and that's if you join it you get unmerited favor and help with your career and promotion and so on. They make sure they get people who really are almost corrupt anyway who will join it for those very reasons. They also tell you you can bypass petty bureaucracy and get tax relief and so on, if you join. That's the bait.

 

Jackie:  Tax relief?

Alan:  They get different assessments.

Jackie:  These local and county and city officials and state legislators, do you think that every time they raise taxes, property taxes et cetera, do you think their's get raised?

Alan:  No, they don't and neither do lawyers because lawyers help with the real estate scams and so they are automatically are exempted from land taxes.

Jackie:  And these people think they're going to be exempt from all the evil they’re doing?

Alan:  What they don't realize is you see most people on this planet, at the moment, at this stage that we're at right now, are expendable and it's coming to the stage where they'll try and fulfill the promise to wipe out over three quarters of the population. There will be an awful lot of people wiped out, good and bad, if they get their way and they're ready for it now. We know this because they’ve been prepping us for years with coming plagues and all this stuff, at the very time when we know that we can splice genes and join anything to anything, even viruses to bacterium, which is the flesh-eating disease. It's the first one in history that was created, two different species joined together. They're ready to unleash a lot of stuff on the public and these will not be race-specific. These will spread right through--

Jackie:  Not race specific, right. There was an article in a newsletter just recently that said that the scientists somewhere have been given permission to create a mouse with a human brain.

Alan:  They've done more than that. They've done all of these – whenever they tell you they're doing something, this is the old stuff. They were doing genetic modifications in the 1920's.

Jackie:  And if the mouse starts acting like a human being then they're going to make them quit.

Alan:  Well, he might become maybe a Christian mouse. So there you go. There'll be a whole new set of lawyers to deal with all of this.

Jackie:  One of the things I don't think that we've discussed and maybe our listeners, a lot of them, know about it, but maybe they don’t, was that terrible flu virus that they shipped. Would you talk about that? Will you mention the plague?

Alan:  In the papers about a week ago, supposedly the CDC had sent out thousands of vials of 1950's version of the flu to laboratories all over the world and also one shipment with Ebola.  Now, I don't know if they really did this or if it's a scare to the public, because it seems an incredible thing that they'd do, but certainly it's having an effect on the public of terrifying them and getting them ready for a coming plague.

Jackie:  Well, it will terrify them if they read the article. However, I remember the article that I read that somebody had emailed on the internet. They said that most of these have been mailed from the U.S. and their concern is that some of the labs haven't received theirs yet.

Alan:  They said in fact, in the last document about it, they said that my goodness the ones that had not been destroyed was in Lebanon but they were in the process of destroying it. In other words, psychologically they were attaching it to terrorism.

Jackie:  Sure and not only that, but it will be a good excuse or justification – well, what brought it to my mind was when you said the plagues that they are readying. This could be a prelude to it. You know this sounds like such a downer. You can't not talk about it, Alan.

Alan:  You cannot face truth unless you look at the dark side, you see, and that's the problem with people. They’re egosyntonic. They've been trained that way. They want to only look at the things that make them feel good and because of that they're wide open to whatever it is going to happen. That is a choice because maturity takes a person, and truly seeking truth, takes a person to look at all sides of everything and you must be prepared to look at the blackest black you've ever looked at—the void.

Jackie:  That was in the chapter of the Family of Dark which I shared with our listeners a few weeks ago and that's what they actually said, that in order truly to be in light, if you would, enlightened or aware, you have to know the depths of the evil, the darkness.

Alan:  We’ve got to get out of this Disney World where people are really responsible at the top and are there because they're good and decent and just people. The opposite is true. The corrupt people are at the top and it's only the corrupt people who can get to the top in this particular system we live in.

Jackie:  Before we go off the air tonight because we won't be back until Monday, a thought that occurred to me that I would like to share with our listeners is in knowing this it doesn’t mean that we have to dwell on it every moment of our lives, folks. We share the information with those who want to know and there are times – there are precious moments and those precious moments are times that we spend with our loved ones, with our children, with our friends, times of being quiet and seeking a self-awareness. In other words, we don't have to swim in this sea of darkness. That's what I'm trying to say, Alan, because I wouldn't be able to live.

Alan:  Most people couldn't and that's what I say. Those who think that they can't face it shouldn't even look at it. They should continue the way they are and what makes them happy, but those who are looking for truth have no option but to look at the dark side.

Jackie:  Yes, I understand, but do you understand what I just said?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  That we don't have to swim in it. In other words, we know it. It's there and once we know it, we cannot un-know it, but, in other words, if it is all we dwell in – well, maybe I'm only speaking for myself. It would be unbearable and I just wanted to say that because there are precious moments and there are times even when you say some silly thing to lighten up the conversation. In a sense, that's a precious moment. Okay, that's what I mean because that's what I mean because I don't want to leave the broadcast tonight on just a note of hopeless, helplessness, evil, darkness, because it isn't all evil and darkness. Like you said, there are good people and there is love in this world and really it all begins with us.

Alan:  It begins with the individuals who must look at everything and who have gone through the darkness and come out again and they know that it's evil and they know that they must fight it, you see. It's not an occasional fight. You know you're going to fight this thing with everything you've got.

Jackie:  Yes, exactly. We're out of our hour tonight. Once again, thank you so much, and ladies and gentlemen, we will be back with you Monday and thank you for being here and Creator bless you all tonight. Good night, Alan.

Alan:  Good night.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Monday and it is the 2nd of May already in the year 2005 and we had snow flurries this afternoon. I wonder what your weather is like, folks. It sure doesn't feel like May. We had one day that was 80 and a few very nice days, but other than that, this is not spring. Not here, not yet, except the birdies say so, so maybe it is.

Let me do our spiritual message right now and then we'll bring our guest up. This is from John 4 beginning with verse 4.

            "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

And in verse 7:

"Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God and everyone that loves is born of God and knows God. He that loves not, knows not God for God is love."

That is the only thing in this physical world that I see that is real, ladies and gentlemen. I'm not saying that because I say it is so, that in my mind and in my heart there's nothing real here other than love and our expressions of love to one another and to ourselves. And Alan Watt is with us again this evening. Alan, thank you so much.

Alan:  Yes, it's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Well, I was outside doing stuff today and I get really I guess what it is is because it's staying light longer and I'm not a clock-watcher so I kind of judge the time by what the darkness is. I'm going to have to quit doing that because I keep getting – you were very gracious to come on with two minutes notice.

Alan:  It's no problem. We've got the same weather this way.

Jackie:  Same weather?

Alan:  Yes, it was sleet and snow for a while.

Jackie:  Today?

Alan:  They're standardizing the weather.

Jackie:  Yes, along with frozen pizza, Alan.

Alan:  Yes and the rest of the continent.

Jackie:  Well, it was very short notice when I called you of course and I really didn't have anything in particular in mind to talk about. Is there anything that you would like to discuss with or bring up for our listeners tonight?You know I don't have a real good voice level on you. I suppose you haven't done anything different, have you?

Alan:  No.

Jackie:  And I suppose we'll hear a click a little later on, then your voice level will come up.

Alan:  There's always so much going on behind the scenes because most of the politics that we're given is just drama and the gossip they lay out on the politicians and so on to keep the people busy, but the agenda that was written a long time ago, to not only unite the continent, but to unite the planet under a particular system, is rushing full steam ahead. Of course everybody's been kept so busy running as the buying power of their money decreases, so they're running faster and faster to get all these toys they're supposed to have according to what they've been told that's their standard of living. However, since we're not the producers anymore, the manufacturers, it hasn't dawned on most people that the system as it is now is not meant to last for very long. It's a "service industry" they call it and that's what they told Britain as well when they united them into Europe, that they would become a service industry.

Jackie:  The U.S. is a service industry too.

Alan:  Yes. In fact, I've got books from the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the CFR (it's both the same club), because you don't want to have the royal in front of the American name so they called the CFR, but their 1937 meeting held in Australia, their annual meeting, in there the Minutes of the meetings are there, with the speeches and everything, and one of the speakers said that they would set up China to be the manufacturer for the world, in 1937.

Jackie:  We were talking about this and you had mentioned – Alan, thank you for bringing this up tonight. You know when we have conversations off-air so often and I don't say it, like I used to do, I wish we were doing this on the air, but our last conversation and I thought oh my goodness I wish our listeners could hear this. We were talking about this and you mentioned why they chose the Asian people and would you explain this to our listeners what you did last night? And I'll tell you I'm going to turn my mike down. I'm going to run out and grab a robe because it's chilly where I'm sitting so I'll be back. Okay, thanks Alan.

Alan:  If we look down through history, pretty well every country on the planet has been invaded over and over and over by one group or another; but the one that's the least invaded and left alone has been China.  I used to wonder why they left China to be such a pure race, compared to all the rest of the peoples whom they mixed up through invasions and so on. Then you look at the culture of China and I thought well what's different about the culture? Well, they've never known what we call freedom of any kind. Not that we've had really much freedom in the last few hundred years, but they also are a mass man. In the sociological books you can get from any university library, where they have the different cultures delineated and broken down into traits and so on, you'll find the Chinese like – actually don't mind being in a crowd. They like to "rub shoulders" as they say in the books with their fellow man; whereas of course the Western people like their distance from each other, "don't invade my space" type of thing. They, although not so much in the last 1,500 years they have not been an inventive people, prior to that, inventions were in China. They had detection devices for earthquakes 2,500 years ago.  I wondered why all these main invaders gave China this big passage of clearance, including Napoleon who said let the sleeping dragon sleep. No one wanted to invade China and it wasn't because China was well armed or anything. In fact it was mainly a peasant class catering to the few nobility across the whole length and breadth of the country and it's been that way for a couple of thousands years. Even though they're not an inventive people, they can certainly mimic what they're given very, very well.

Jackie:  They can what?

Alan:  Mimic. They can copy very well what they're given. If you look as the history as it's unfolded, Western Europe primarily was used for the last couple of hundred years or more to go through an industrial era of intense misery for the general population, especially in factory towns. During that time we developed machinery et cetera and then we went through the electronic revolution, technological revolution; and now that we've completed our mission basically, apart from conquering the last of the Moslems to bring into the system, they've quite candidly through the GATT treaties and so on handed all of what were American or what we thought was American and Canadian and British and German and so on companies. They've handed them lock, stock and barrel over to China. They set them up and they moved them, complete factories.

Jackie:  Yes. And did you say while I was gone what you said about why they chose the Chinese?

Alan:  Because the Chinese as I say are perfect for this era, perfect to be the manufacturers.

Jackie:  And why is that?

Alan:  In an advanced type of manufacturing. They didn't invent anything in that manufacturing. However, they didn't have to. We simply handed it over once we had basically perfected technology and simplified it to its basic form.

Jackie:  But you also mentioned their work habits.

Alan:  The Chinese are known to be so obedient to their masters for thousands of years that they'd work all day and half the night if need be and nothing has changed, really, even though it's communistic run. They don't have a culture where there's a lot of kindness between each other to help each other out either, so they're divided to an extent in that respect. They're ideal workers for this particular era, and very, very cheap too, to be the manufacturers for the whole planet. When you look back on things you can see the plan and you can smell the plan actually for hundreds of years. In the later books in the 1900's and the 20th century and into the present day, you actually see it all happening and been written down that this was going to happen. We've lived through the transfer of technology to China with the factories lock, stock and barrel.  I used to wonder why would the West be training thousands of engineers of all kinds in the western universities for the last 30 years when they were supposedly your prime enemy, they were communists, but all of these engineers have been trained in Canada.

Jackie:  So these are Chinese people?

Alan:  Yes, coming to Canada, Britain, Europe and so on, and getting the education for machinery—which they did not yet have. Of course, since about 1990, we've seen the exodus after the GATT treaty of all the machinery, which they had been trained to use but didn't have, we saw it all transferred to China. Now everything is made in China.

Jackie:  You know this is something that was brought to my attention and I suppose maybe many people have considered this, but until it had, it was during the NAFTA thing.  I had never thought about it, but during the Depression there were plenty of people to work and there were plenty of people to purchase or manufactured items and food goods that were produced on the farms et cetera. But the Depression was simply the withdrawal of course of the drawing in of the money, just the way the story goes in the Old Testament in Genesis when Joseph gathered up all the money and took it to the pharaoh. But there were the factories sitting there, Alan, you see, and so that when they decided they'd start trickling money back in, well, today there are no factories sitting. They have not just moved the manufacturing. They have moved all of the factories and either flattened the buildings or I guess they've just demolished the factories, period, so it isn't a situation like it was after the Depression.

Alan:  Yes, because they know that they were not going to use them ever again.

Jackie:  You mentioned service industry. When I remember hearing about that, I thought well everybody's going to be doing what? What do they mean by this?

Alan:  There's an esoteric meaning to all the words in the English language.

Jackie:  Well, say what it means to you.

Alan:  "Ice" always means when you put something on ice, it means to stop it, to cease it, you see. Service is to "SERVE ICE," you see. Just like they "park" continents down through history and leave them and go back to them.

Jackie:  Yes, but they're talking about a service economy, so the actual meaning of the word is just, oh, stop the economy?

Alan:  To stop the whole thing because we are now unneeded. We're unnecessary. That's why they're re-wilding the areas around people in the country, while those people are still alive, they're putting in carnivores and predators. I mean that's telling you something. That's telling you that shortly there is not going to be those people living in the country.

Jackie:  Well then think about – what I wondered is how would people have work and of course today millions don't. But in the Protocols it's just amazing. I've been scanning them lately and you know every now and then you do that and you pick up things – of course I had already had this circled and highlighted but it's just a reminder.  So when you think about it there are government jobs and there will be the people who will be spying on all the people. It's exactly like Orwell's "1984," Alan.

Alan:  That's been happening for a long time.

Jackie:  I know, but it's really getting obvious today. I mean it's blatant to people that have never read "1984" or really thought about what's going on. It's been the 'slowly boiling frog syndrome.' Well, they're nuking the frog now. I mean this isn't just fast cooking. It's nuking the frog.

Alan:  They've been spraying us like bugs from the sky pretty well daily for the last few years and this stuff supposedly has aluminum and barium in it, which are used for clotting agents for wounds and things.

Jackie:  For what?

Alan:  For any kind of wound or hemorrhage.

Jackie:  Barium and what?

Alan:  Aluminum oxide.

Jackie:  And it's used for what?

Alan:  You can use them for clotting agents if something is bleeding.

Jackie:  Do you put it on the wound?

Alan:  Yes, you put it on a wound.

Jackie:  Okay, I think I've heard of that, Alan.

Alan:  If you see that in Canada for instance and in other countries now for the last couple of years, the government is putting out ads warning people on the signs and symptoms of strokes. Now we've got young people coming down with strokes all over the place, which is again a clot, you see, lodged basically in the brain.

Jackie:  Haven't there been a lot of young athletes dying suddenly that have been strokes or heart attacks?

Alan:  People are getting sick. They have these hacking coughs they can't get rid of and those who aren't affected, as yet, eventually will be because everyone's got a tolerance level as they ingest this stuff, breathe this stuff in and drink it, because it's in everything. It's in the food, the water and in the air we breathe, so eventually it will come to a crisis point and I've no doubt as we go through a rising death toll we'll still see the same familiar faces on TV and the same comedies and Joe Blow will think well everything must be okay because it seems the same on the TV.

Jackie:  You know that terrible cough I've had lately? I mean I've had that on and off for a long time but sometimes it's gone and sometimes it isn't. Well, I just have to say this because I want to share it with our listeners too. I started taking my MSM again about five days ago Alan and it is clearing up amazingly. I'm not doing anything else different. I haven't been doing – I did a couple of days oil of oregano but boy I'll tell you and it's always been my left lung whatever it is that I've had but it's clearing up and I knew it would.

If our lungs are being damaged and there is a natural form of sulfur which the body requires in order to function property which is missing and the body can reproduce those healthy cells, the body could repair damaged lungs.

Alan: I wouldn't agree with you.

Jackie:  Well, that's okay. You don't have too.

Alan:  I'll tell you why: Because as you're being poisoned, you see they’re laying this stuff on thick and they're not letting up on it to let you heal, and it's in the ground water. When the snow melted this year there was three inches of this 'candy cane' type stuff all over the fields, which was the drying residue of a few months of accumulation of spraying that was in the snow; and on the first day of the sun it starts to go down and then when it dries it turns back into its chemical parts, white powders. We're being sprayed like bugs, like roaches.

Jackie:  Yes, but what does that got to do with you don't agree that what? You don't agree that anything could heal the lungs?

Alan:  How can you heal something as you're being poisoned all the time?

Jackie:  I don't know.

Alan:  It can't happen.

Jackie:  Well okay, let's put it this way. Let's say if that wasn't an ongoing onslaught the healing could happen and possibly think about this, Alan. Without it, maybe the damage continues until the person drops, so maybe it at least keeps them a modicum of health.

Alan:  If they want to try it they can try it.

Jackie:  I don't sell MSM, Alan. I have nothing to gain here, honey.

Alan:  As you're being poisoned, it's like getting a transfusion in one arm with the cut wrist on the other.

Jackie:  Yes, okay, I want to share something else with you and our listeners but you also. When my mom was told that she had a cancer on her vocal cord, they did radiation therapy on it. Is that what you call it?

Alan: Yes.

Jackie:  Ladies and gentlemen, as you know, our guest is Alan Watt and I apologize for the time that I've taken away from because Alan is our guest tonight but we'll talk about MSM another time.  Alan, thank you. We have a caller who has a couple of questions for Alan. Alan, do you accept my apology?

Alan:  For what?

Jackie:  No, not you, Allen. Alan Watt. Well just because I've been talking so much.

Alan:  It's all right. It's actually yours.

Jackie:  No, you're my guest, so do you accept my apology?

Alan:  Yes, sure.

Jackie:  Allen is on the air from Michigan and he wants to ask you a couple of questions. Allen from Michigan, are you aware that you're going to have to hang up to hear his answer?

Allen:  I didn't ask the question yet.

Jackie:  I know but I wanted to know if you know that.

Allen:  Yes. I liked to know why Billy Graham was picked by William Randolph Hearst and the second question. Does he know anything about the Masonic lodges where they're dated when they're put up and established, they're dated Anno Lucis. Does he know anything about that?

 

Jackie:  Okay Alan, did you get both of those questions?

Alan:  A bit on the Hearst thing was a bit fuzzy.

 

Jackie:  Okay. Do the Billy Graham question again, Allen.

Allen:  I wanted to know why Billy Graham was picked by William Randolph Hearst to be America's preacher, and the other question was does he know anything about Masonic lodges being dated by Anno Lucis, like 5526 A.L. Anno Lucis?

 

Jackie:  Do you understand that question Alan?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Okay. He's going to hang up so he can hear you.

Alan:  That's after Lucifer's fall, supposedly, meaning the light coming down and it's the same story as Prometheus bringing the wisdom down, the light, the torch, the fire to those who could accept it. Of course the Masons claim that around 4,000 BC that's when the plan to change the world—the ways of living from a natural system into their system—began, which is to culminate with the evolution of man worldwide through physical and scientific means, which is exactly what they're coming to.

Jackie:  This is on Masonic lodges as the date, yes?

Alan:  Yes. They have two dates. They have the one that was built and then they have the same date plus about 4,000 years.

Jackie:  And that was after the fall of Lucifer?

Alan:  Or Prometheus. It's the same story.

Jackie:  Okay, but Lucifer being the fallen angel, yes?

Alan:  Yes. The light bringer.

Jackie:  Oh here you come, Alan.

Alan:  Did it go up?

Jackie:  Oh, it's wonderful.

Alan:  Maybe the operator was getting interested.

Jackie:  You know what, that could very easily be whatever it was. Thank you, whoever upped that volume.

Alan:  Then as far as Hearst goes, Hearst was not just a self-made man. All these big boys are put in place. They're trained for what they're to do because their job is to control the minds of the people and they do it through media. Media is an arm of government. It's an essential arm of government. You can't mind control the people without it, and as long as the people think it's free and independent, they get suckered and they believe in it.  Hearst of course picked Billy Graham because Billy Graham is a 33-degree Freemason and he's been open about that in the last couple of years, and of course freemasons as Napoleon, as Benjamin Franklin said, and many others: "When I'm in the Middle East, I'm a Mohammedan. When I'm in London, I'm a Christian, et cetera, et cetera."  In other words, they could be whatever they want, you see. Billy Graham's job, as any high priest has always been down through the many centuries, is to once again control the minds of the people. That's his job. He's a multibillionaire probably but he's a 33-degree Freemason. At least that's the Scottish Rite.

Jackie:  Or maybe even higher.

Alan:  Well, "life begins at 40," so he's probably over the 40th degree into a higher lodge.

Jackie:  Is that what that means, Alan?Life begins at 40. In other words, when you hit the 40th degree--

Alan: You start to get the truth. Below that, under the 32nd degree it's a camouflage even for the people involved at the bottom, who truly do think it's a self-improvement society. There's charitable work but if you're involved in any kind of mind control, which is media, even a local newspaper, the Grand Master will pull you out of the lodge and tell you to be at a certain place at a certain night and he will take you to the Black Lodge, where you go up higher, you see. Those in the Blue Lodge won't even know that it exists. This is what they do. They pick out the ones who are useful for mind control primarily, or politics or whatever, and they thrown them up through the higher degrees.

Jackie:  And many of them reach their high levels of politics because of their ready status as a freemason?

Alan:  Absolutely. They've proven their worth. You see, the workman must prove his worthiness, which means that you can keep your mouth shut and follow orders. That's what it means. A Mason is avowed to instantly obey the order of a superior Mason without hesitation and he must immediately reserve all his moral conscience to himself and obey it. These guys have been involved through petty little scams and so on at the bottom to see if they can keep their mouths shut, and, if they can, they get up the ladder into the bigger scams.

Jackie:  Oh. They test them?

Alan:  They're tested constantly. That's even in some of their older manuals.

Jackie:  How high up do you have to get before you quit being tested?

Alan:  Once you're up to at least the 96th.

Jackie:  And there's nobody above 96?

Alan:  There's 360 degrees in a circle.

Jackie:  Alan, are you being serious right now?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  We say, "he's a 33rd degree Mason." Now is that in any book that there are 360 degrees of Freemasonry?

Alan:  What they do is they hint at it all the time.

Jackie:  It makes sense.

Alan:  They hint at it all the time. The OTO, which is the Ordo Templi Orientis, which is a French version supposedly of the Templars, which really is German, and they go up to about 96 degrees and that is official. Aleister Crowley that worked for MI6 in England and everybody in the MI6 had to be a freemason according to Peter Wright who wrote "Spycatcher." He's the only guy that wasn't a Mason.

Jackie:  But it was actually made public that he was 96 degrees?

Alan:  Aleister Crowley, yes.

Jackie:  And Aleister Crowley wasn't yet at the top?

Alan:  Oh no. He was a good workman. He did his job. Anybody in the public eye will be at least up to 96 degrees. After that, it's more invisible.

Jackie:  Is this researchable for people?

Alan:  If you really want to go on the trail for it, you can.

Jackie:  You know I'm not accusing you of saying something like you're lying here or something, but this is something I've never heard before and I have a sense that there are listeners who will definitely want to research this.

Alan:  It's all based on the sun.

Jackie:  In other words, I guess what I'm asking is: through your observation in all the other stuff that you've learned, this is what you've deduced or is it actually written some place?

Alan:  It's written in occasional old books and many other books will actually hint at it because you're supposed to figure it out for yourself. That's why they say that the profane will never catch on.

Jackie:  So you're not the profane, huh, Alan?

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Does that mean you're one of them?

Alan:  Oh no. Everything is circular and of course it's based on the movements of the sun going through the zodiac and so on, and the planets going round the sun. Well, what does round mean? It means go around in a complete circle, one revolution, and of course they give you all the visible symbols of the serpent eating its tail et cetera but most people don't catch on.

Jackie:  The serpent eating its tail.

Alan:  Of course theosophy has that on its logo.

Jackie:  What does that signify?

Alan:  They give you different meanings depending on what category or degree you're in; and Albert Pike admits that, that the guys in the lower degrees must not necessarily know the meanings of the rituals and words but they must think that they know. As they get up they say, well, all that stuff they told you before was just nonsense.

Jackie:  But what does it signify to them?

Alan:  Partly eternity, and they'll you that at the lower degrees it's eternal. It's their power for eternity, by the way, but in the higher degrees of course you start to – if you look at sun dial or anything and you say wait a minute, it's round here and it's all marked off in degrees, why would it stop at 96?  It doesn't.

Jackie:  Okay, that makes sense.

Alan:  Mind you, too, it's admitted today that if you have the money and you have some kind of import as I say in society with your views and opinions, even a column writer for a newspaper, they can take you from nothing and put you up to a 32nd degree freemason in a matter of a couple of weeks, if you pay, because you pay all the time you see. The 33rd degree is honorary and it's after that of course that you really get into the real stuff, if you're asked.

Jackie:  Do they get to a point where they have to disavow Jesus?

Alan:  Well, sure because that's all part of it. They will tell you themselves that all religions (and they kind of boast about it) stemmed from the same solar cult thousands and thousands and thousands – actually almost a million years ago; and prior to that, there was the stellar cult; and prior to that, there was the lunar cult. That's why the emblems they use come from all three, because they incorporated them all until they became the solar cult.

Jackie:  And it doesn't mean that just because they use these emblems that the emblems themselves are evil?

Alan:  No.

Jackie:  Exactly. I just wanted our listeners – I remember Chuck because he knew about this longer that I did, but I noticed that for example they used the word light and he would highlight it when he would read it in an article and he actually believed it to be evil because they used the word, and the same thing with these symbols. The symbols themselves are not evil. It's just that they symbolize something for them and they're evil, so we relate the symbol itself to evil.

Alan:  Really, if you correlate the evil and the good symbols and you can figure it out, you'll really find they're symbolizing the same thing. Although one's supposed to be good and one is supposed to be evil, which is the intent of mind control. It's doublethink. It's holding two opposite opinions in your head about the same thing at the same time.

Jackie:  Do you mean their symbols mean to them what the symbols mean to a good person?

Alan:  Well, sure. I mean everyone's been taught recently for instance that for instance what they think is the Star of David, which isn't, it's got another meaning, but you think that's a good symbol; all the Christians do, or modern Christians.

Jackie:  The Christian Zionists or Judeo-Christians.

Alan:  It's modern Christianity but they all belong to the World Council of Churches, which was started off by David Rockefeller who's a High Mason and Theosophist and he calls himself a world citizen. The whole idea of getting all these churches to belong is the same theology being taught through all the different branches of the church you see. They all teach the same thing, and of course, they don't even notice the changes.

Jackie:  You were going to talk about the Star of David.

Alan:  That's been taught to be good symbol and yet you find it in ancient India. I'm talking about ancient India, long before there was any Hebrew or Habiru or whatever mentioned anywhere. It was used in India long before that; so was the swastika and the swastika is simply a symbol of the sun with the feet in its movements. That's what it stands for.

Jackie:  With its feet in its movement?What does that mean?

Alan:  They always go on about: "if it's reversed it's Black Magic"; it's all nonsense. It's the direction the sun appears to take as it walks across the sky; and that's what they used to call the sun, "he who walks the sky," in ancient Egypt; or Luke Skywalker in the Star Wars movies. It's all the same thing. We are told to "fear this, but this is okay," and of course in different times in history you might fear the one and like the other, then they'll reverse it and you don't even notice the difference.

Jackie:  It's what they teach us to fear. You know, I think the number 13 is a real good example of that, that people, oh, 13, and of course they use it all the time. I mean everything to them is 13 and 33 and et cetera and of course we're told that 13 is an unlucky number and they won't put a 13th floor on an elevator.

Alan:  That's from Jacques DeMolay. He was burnt on the 13th on Friday.

Jackie:  So I got to thinking, in their belief it's a pretty dog gone powerful number so why should we fear it?

Alan:  Yes, or walking under ladders or anything like that, but that's where it all comes from. These are all ancient symbols of Masonry as it progressed down through the ages.

Jackie:  So we get afraid of what they teach us to be afraid of and they tell us what to like.

Alan:  They can reverse it just as easily and we don't notice – just like they reversed the cultures when they wish to. During the Industrial Era they really threw Christianity at the people who were starving in the industrial cities to keep them in line. You know, work hard at your 16 hours now for your pittance and you'll go to heaven. That's what the religion did for the people in Europe at that time, especially Britain, and of course once that job is over and no more industrialized it's promiscuity time, just do what you want. That's how they do it and they go through these changes and the very generation that goes through the major changes doesn't even notice that now their beliefs in everything are upside down. However, Plato said that was what they could do 2,500 years ago. It was so down pat 2,500 years ago that he could write about that, about the techniques of culture creation coming from the top and the methods of implementing it through the music, the arts, fashion, drama, plays et cetera.

Jackie:  That reminds me of what we were talking about when you said they tell us what we like. You didn't say they tell us what to like. They tell us what we like.

Alan:  And we believe it.

Jackie:  And you explained to our listeners like the music thing. That never occurred to me, Alan.

Alan:  As I've said before, that if the human brain has been the same for the last few hundred years at least, then a teenager who is supposed to come into music around the age of around 13 to 15, and he has a higher acuity of high tones and the low tones in music, the teenager should really like every type of music that everyone 15 years of age has ever liked in history.

Jackie:  Because the brain has not changed.

Alan:  It hasn't changed but they literally think, "my God this is fantastic stuff." Their dad or their mom or even their older sister or brother will say will listen to this. "Oh, I don't want that. That's old stuff," and everything that they hear on the radio that they listen to and the magazines they buy and so on is telling them that: "This is your music," and I've said because of that, at the moment, you've got people in the old age homes who are listening to Walt Whitman and so on. Then you're going to get the rockers coming in who are geriatric tapping their feet to Pink Floyd and then eventually you're going to get geriatrics who are rappers, believe it or not.

Jackie:  They'll be sitting around listening to rap music because it was the good old days.

Alan:  It was their time.

Jackie:  It was their music and they still love it.

Alan:  And to show you again how it's all been sold from the top--

Jackie:  These were given to us.

Alan:  It's given to you. Plato said it. He says no culture is permitted to come from the people themselves. He says every cultural change comes from the top down and it's always been that way. You know the BBC were the ones in Britain. This is your government station. Everybody who staffed the BBC had to work for Eaton or be at Eaton College. That was a class system you see and here they are pushing Benny Hill with his almost nude dancers in the '60's and pushing the pop revolution. I said well why would an older generation be pushing this on a government-financed TV station because it seemed to contradict everything that they'd done to the people before, like be well-behaved et cetera, no promiscuity, and here they are completely reversing it and it came from the top down; so that's how it goes.

The Beatles were a formulated group. They did not own their own songs. There's nothing real in show business, regardless of what all the magazines say. That's the magazine's job, it's to make you think it's all real, but the fact is these poor guys were picked and the songs were written by Theodore Adorno, one of the top musicians or music masters you would say of the construction of music on the planet. He was a Talmudic scholar as well, who could write a sentence that would be half a page long and he would tell you in the beginning of his books that the average person will not be able to follow this sentence and keep grasp of the theme to the very end, because he says we've dumbed the people down so much.

Jackie:  Alan, with the television, how they have those three and four second shots and then it switches, then it switches, then it switches. If that isn't the perfect tool to really mess up a person's ability to concentrate and focus. How could anybody hold the attention for more than a few seconds?

Alan:  I watched even my parents look at TVs like that and I could see them hypnotized.

Jackie:  Yes, but I'm talking about a child who watches TV all the time.

Alan:  Yes, we know the marketing companies actually do surveys on this because they're targeting younger and younger children all the time.

Jackie:  You know even the adults, come to think of it, as you said, they can't hold their attention to get through a book or follow a thought.

Alan:  No, they can't. Bit and bites are all they can handle.

Jackie:  It has to be in little short chunks.

Alan:  You can't extend the conversation on a particular topic without them losing track of where you were going with it. Their attention span is getting smaller and smaller. However, as I say, the Beatles, everyone thinks why do they call them the Beatles? Well, it's the beat, you know; but it wasn't just the beats. It was from the Greek word Beatyl and it means sacred pillars or sacred stone.  A sacred stone in masonry is the perfectly-shaped ashlar or--

Jackie:  A what?

Alan:  An ashlar they call it.

Jackie:  What is an ashlar?

Alan:  An ashlar is a perfectly-shaped stone squared; so they take the round one, which is the natural one, and they square it as a Mason. Of course that's why in the '60's and '70's they called the people "squares" if you were old fashioned and stiff upper lip and work ethic and so on; and so the Beatles were the sacred stones. It's also the same as the--

Jackie:  The Rolling Stones?

Alan:  The Rolling Stones were natural stones, so they came right out and sang about sex.

Jackie:  And they rolled?

Alan:  They did their roll-ups with their dope and all the rest of it. The Beatles of course, if you look at their songs, were exoteric for the people and esoteric for the message, if you could grasp the messages. Why would they knight Paul McCartney who helped bring in "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"—LSD?  Why the royalty knight people who created disaster apparently across the country for so many people and a whole culture? Because Paul McCartney was doing what he was supposed to do for that ruling class at the top. What the Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away.

Jackie:  What about Elvis Presley?What did he do?

Alan:  He brought in the male sex thing, which was almost a pre-'male stripper', although fully clothed. Up until that time, the man had to be the man, John Wayne type, but now they brought in a young guy and said hey it's okay to--

Jackie:  Swivel your hips--

Alan:  And do all that stuff and it's also again hidden meanings as well. EL is the God.

Jackie:  EL, E-L?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Elvis.

Alan:  And the sixth coming race they call it, the next upgrade of mankind is to come (according to high masonry and theosophy) and so you have EL and then you have VI, which is 6, and then S is to shape = ELVIS.  This is all codes language which the masons use all the time and we use these words all the time too, because no one has explained to the people what it really means. The whole English was created.

Jackie:  This is fascinating and I don't think you've talked about this because you did it so long ago and maybe next time you come on you could spend more time explaining this. You talked about the control of the media. We'll be back with you tomorrow night. Alan, thank you so much.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Bye-bye folks.