Quote from Hamish on March 10, 2021, 7:25 pm

Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Wednesday. It's the end of our broadcast week here and is the 25th of May in the year 2005. Alan Watt is with us tonight. Alan, thanks for being here tonight.

Alan:  Yes, it's a pleasure.

Jackie:  So what's up?

Alan:  Well, I guess there's a lot guess up because there's so much going on that I think everyone's concerned about the ID card coming out.

Jackie:  Well, I would hope everybody's concerned, Alan.

Alan:  Some are; but I think the ones who are usually watching what's happening, they understand it. The rest of the public of course are either oblivious to it and therefore they'll accept it quite calmly as it comes along, as they would anything else. With the biometric scan, they really introduced that when they introduced the driving licenses in a lot of places. That was the same thing with the biometric reading of certain points in your face so the computer can then recognize anytime.

Jackie:  I think Georgia has already done it.

Alan:  Quite a lot of places have done that already.

Jackie:  What are they doing in Canada?

Alan:  The same thing. It's the same here, the same everywhere.

Jackie:  I know, but are they requiring the biometrics?

Alan:  They have for the driving license for quite a few years now.

Jackie:  Okay, what are the biometrics? Are we talking fingerprints? Are we talking retina scans?

Alan:  No. The driving license up until now has just been the actual biometric photograph – the computerized photograph.

Jackie:  Oh, the digital thing?

Alan:  Yes. It does do certain geometrical patterns between points in your face so they can recognize it again once the computer's broken it down, so that's been here for quite a few years and in Britain as well as everywhere else.

Jackie:  How do they use facial recognition? I mean what's the deal with these?

Alan:  Apart from the fact the computer literally breaks down your face into numbers really, it's tiny little numbers, zeros and ones, binary code, they also take points between your cheekbones; the distance between your eyes. All of that thing is being measured as that photograph is being taken.

Jackie:  And what is the purpose for that?

Alan:  I think the purpose of it all was to get us all used to it, so that when you move into the next stage of the ID card itself it's no big deal since you've already got that photograph already.

Jackie:  I know. But what I don't understand is what's the big deal measuring the distance between our eyes et cetera, et cetera?

Alan:  It's a certain distance when you get your photograph taken. There's a certain distance between you and the camera, which is computed into the whole thing, so that they can positively identify you even if you've had some facial features altered for instance.

Jackie:  Oh, I see.

Alan:  They can still measure between the eyes.

Jackie:  Let's say if you had nose job or something or even a face-lift or something?

Alan:  Or a chin implant. They can still take the rest of what's left and still positively say that's still that person.

Jackie:  Do you think it's true that we all have doubles?  Do you think there's anybody else exactly like somebody else, exactly?

Alan:  There are some like that, absolutely, I know that for a fact.

Jackie:  Okay. How do you know that for a fact?

Alan:  I met someone who thought I was the other person and it was the oddest thing that ever happened.

Jackie:  Did he talk funny like you? I'm teasing.

Alan:  I don't know but I'll tell you, listen to this little story. I had come down from Inverness in Scotland down to Sterling this morning, that one morning, and had brought a girlfriend down with me. I got off in Sterling and a woman shouted my name and she said Alan and I said who is this woman? She obviously knows me and then she said Alan and then I still stood there with a puzzled expression and she said, Alan Watson. I thought well she's so darn close she must obviously know me somehow and it turned out she was the next door neighbor of this guy called Alan Watson, who was married that lived next door to her and had just left that morning on a trip up to Inverness. I had just come down from Inverness.

Jackie:  And she saw you there with another woman.

Alan:  Yes and she would not believe – I mean she still wouldn't believe me and she came right up to me too and she still thought I was this other guy.

Jackie:  And he did talk funny like you then?

Alan:  I guess he must have.

Jackie:  Well, he was from Scotland.

Alan:  That was weird, though, but that did happen. It was the oddest thing.

Jackie:  Yes, especially so close to home. Well, I was reading an item today about again this real ID and some woman wrote I think a doctor but they're talking that this – see, I went through my files, Alan, and this was from last year in October and it had something to do with one of their intelligence bills they had passed. This article told about the national ID that buried in that that was passed last October, but that's where all this biometrics and things. Because see, I haven't seen anything about it in his Conference Report that I wrote. Well of course, the thing is they have given the Homeland Security the authority to add any requirements that he wants to and you know there's something in this thing about building a wall or something in San Diego for illegal aliens to stop them. I don't know what it's all about but it's something about building a barrier 17 miles or something and the Homeland Security Czar has total authority over this too; and in the process he has the right, the authority, to just bypass any laws that are in force whatsoever. There's got to be a lot more to this than I am reading in this report.

Alan:  It is a totalitarian position this man holds. He has all rights to do everything he wants basically.

Jackie:  I want to remind our listeners of this. The New York Times featured, this was not long after 9/11 when they came out with the restructuring, you can read that in the Homeland Security section by the way. What do they call it? The 21st Century what – the plans for restructuring? Anyway, the New York Times did like a graph. Not a graph, a flowchart like if you're doing a family tree. What do they call that?

Alan:  Genealogy.

Jackie:  Okay, but this is the U.S. government and what they showed the pecking order. They showed the president. Underneath the president they showed the Homeland Security Czar. Underneath that, a big line, there was FEMA and underneath FEMA there was every single department and office in the U.S. government. So the Homeland Security Czar would have authority over the FEMA director and of course the puppet president would do whatever he does. But the thing is, where they showed the U.S. Congress was up in the top left corner of this thing on the page and it wasn't connected to any feature at all, not one part of the structure of the U.S. government.

Tell our listeners about your books.

Alan:  What I've put in these books, the first two are basically a sort of gestalt type of education into all that's happening around you, which you don't really see in a sense. You see them on an exoteric level. I show you the esoteric and it helps to get the reader to participate in what he's reading because you'll find that certain cogs in your brain start to mesh together and start making sense of what's really going on. The third one goes into the religions, what was behind the religions. [See www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information.]  You'll find the same esoteric story is contained within every major religion known to the high priests in every major religion, whether it was Judaism, Brahmanism, whatever. It's all the same at the top and of course the world has been run, as they say in the Kabbalah and other major books out there, for 6,000 years with the Great Work as they call it commencing around 4,000 BC. The Great Work was to take over the world and perfect that which was left imperfect, and by that, they mean perfecting wild nature into nature which they can control through science and ultimately restructuring man, rebuilding man and woman in the way that the scientists deem fit for their purpose and that's what's called the Great Work. Of course, as we all know with the talk of brain implants, which they do have ready to go, and cybernetics to create people for special jobs, various tasks and so on, and actually cloning thrown in there, you can see that that's where they've been heading for all this time. The complete reshaping of the world in which we live through the understanding of nature or science and the rebuilding of human type specialized beings, which the elite will deem necessary for the elites' survival.

If you go into Charles Galton Darwin's book (the grandson of Charles Darwin), he wrote a book in the 1950's called "The Next Million Years" and he said there was simply too many people from the working class types, the lower classes as he called them, and they wouldn't be necessary in the future which science had already mapped out; so he said they had to start eliminating the lower gene pools which they didn't need and the rest would be altered for specialized jobs to serve the elite. He himself of course believes he was one of them; and he said, we the elite will not be altered ourselves because we are steering the ship, we are guiding the ship and we need our survival capabilities in order to take the world where we want it to go, whereas the rest of the people, the workers, will not need that ability in their brain, that part of the brain that gives you your survival capabilities, because the State will be taking care of all of their problems for them. Of course in a socialized system, which is almost worldwide today, you'll find that most of your problems – actually most of your decision making is already taken care of by governmental departments and what you're left with is sort of a narrow avenue where you can still use self-will and make your own decisions. The rest of them are really made for you and in fact you're born into their system where debt, the owing of debt, the paying of debt, all of this stuff has already been done by previous generations. According to Jefferson, and the Old Testament, anyone born into a debt is therefore a slave. Charles Galton Darwin in his book "The Next Million Years" actually said that. He said, "every type of system in this civilization has been based on slavery and we are simply making a more perfect form of slavery." 

It isn't that your system is changing. The fact is: it was never your system. You were simply born into a part of it you got used to and the true owners are simply upgrading their system to the next phase.  I go through this in my writings and I quote other authors too who were part of the same structure and what you find is that pretty well every major event in your lifetime that's happened to any country in the world, you'll find that these major events were planned long before you were born. They were discussed by very high-level groups of very wealthy people and you're simply living the script. It's no accident that today into this new millennium we kicked it off really with a completely different structure of totalitarianism coming in, in order to ram through the "scientific socialism" as they call it down our throats under the guise of terrorism.

Jackie:  I'm back here, Alan. Did you want to continue with your train of thought there?

Alan:  I pretty well came to it. I was telling the people that all the major things that are happening now and have been through their lifetime were actually planned.

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Jackie:  Well, I'll tell you what you said today that you would like to ask Alan, because you are not a stupid person as we both know, but you've been uninformed and you said that you would like for him to give you maybe – for the person who is just waking up. How did you put that, for the average Joe?

Tim:  For the blue-collar guy.

Jackie:  The blue-collar guy. You ask the question, Tim.

Tim:  I think my question was, Alan, what are the top five things that you would tell a regular old blue-collar person who's just starting to wake up? What would you want them to know?

Jackie:  Okay, Tim, the way we're set up here you have to listen off air, honey. Off the phone.

Tim:  I'm on internet because I couldn't make out WWCR.

Jackie:  Okay cool. Well, you'll be able to hear his answer. Check it and see.

Tim:  I'll try tuning it up and see what happens.

Alan:  Well, the first thing he's got to know is that if you've classified yourself as blue-collar, you've already put yourself in a category. Everyone puts themselves into a pre-made category in the system because the entire system is fake. There's nothing natural in the system.

Jackie:  Would you repeat that again in case Tim wasn't able to hear it yet?

Alan:  The first thing is not to put yourself into a category, whether it's blue-collar, white-collar or whatever.

Jackie:  In other words, don't label yourself.

Alan:  Yes, because that's what they want you to do is have a certain impression of who you are and that's all that you are and here you are in this level, and of course that keeps you submissive really to the system and to the ones who actually run the system and puts you in an inferior position. By rights, everyone who's born technically is a sovereign unless they give it away and you give it away unknowingly through the labels that you allow to be put on yourself.

Jackie:  In other words, calling ourselves a democrat, a republican, a conservative, a liberal, a this, a that.

Alan:  Left right, whatever.

Jackie:  Left, right.

Alan:  Up, down.

Jackie:  Okay, thanks. That's wonderful.

Alan:  That's the first part of it. The second part is that when a person wakes up to the beginnings of it all, they think that the system that they're used to has been taken over. In reality the system they were born in was created for them by the elite and it had a purpose to serve and the same elite are simply upgrading their system to the next part and you're not comfortable with it because you're just simply not used to it, because this system has been fake from the beginning. It’s all based on money and a form of slavery, which, with the use of money, is more hidden. It's sophisticated, as Charles Galton Darwin said, but when you end up paying 40 percent or more of your earnings back in taxes openly and hidden taxes and property taxes, you are in fact simply a slave who is feeding himself, clothing himself and making sure he can get to work. Whereas in the old days they had slave masters who had to throw the clothes at you and once in a while a pair of shoes and so on. Therefore, it's a more sophisticated form of slavery and we have to ask ourselves if that's why we're here, to serve?

Jackie:  In other words, the whole like American dream I could relate this to myself that it isn't – the dream was given to us and the system that we've been living in, as you said, it's a system that has – it's a controlled system in other words?

Alan:  Totally.

Jackie:  Totally controlled in every aspect?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  In entertainment; in fashion; in religion; in education; and history and everything that we ever thought we knew.

Alan:  That's right and it also alters what you think of as purpose—purpose in life—because really you're confined to a very narrow channel, as far as what you think are free choices, because all the other choices really have been made for you before you were even born. The system is already in effect. The debt system is already there. You're born into owing a debt that you did not incur and that's how the slavery system works in the Old Testament. If the debtor who was in bondage to pay off a debt had children while he was still in debt, then those children then belonged to the slave master as well. That's traditional. That is traditional and so as Jefferson said, "if a generation is born owing a debt incurred by a previous generation then those children are actually slaves."  This is well understood by the ones at the top.

Jackie:  And you know that's a tough pill to swallow and people who’ve listened to the broadcasts with you for a long time they've got it or they're beginning to get it. They're in a stage of getting it. We all are but I know for myself when we first were – well, when you and I talked for about six months before you even came on the air with us and you've been coming on the air off and on since then, but when I finally got it that everything that we thought we knew was a lie and all of this wonderful American dream. This is the greatest country in the world. We're free. We have a Constitution et cetera, et cetera; it was tough, Alan, and I went through a period of disorientation that was incredible where everything looked foreign to me. It was almost as though I were in another world or something, and so I want to say this to Tim and to any of our listeners who are fairly new and if you don't have, if you haven't ordered, Alan's books, I'll tell you what folks, it will take you a long way into what we've been talking about over the past several years.

Alan:  It's interesting too because the third thing you'll find is that you go through a death, a form of dying, and you go through all the process of it when you find out that democracy is a big lie and that you really have no say in anything because everything has been decided by people you'll never meet or even know of. You go through the same stages of depression and so on as any other death as you let go of the old and begin to see what's really there, so that's probably the third thing that happens.

The fourth thing to do, I would definitely say, is to get a hold of some old books by people like Bertrand Russell who worked for the establishment that planned the future because the world is just one big business plan.

Jackie:  And this would be the more recent past?

Alan:  Yes. He wrote a book to do with education and how the conditioning process would be worked on the minds of the young and in such a fashion that the parental input would be null and void because the indoctrination from kindergarten onwards would be introduced in a very scientific way and it would really take hold of in the minds of the children, so that when they went home at night, no matter what the parents said, the children would take the indoctrination from the school as a priori in their dealing with things. That book he put out back in the early 1900's from his own experimental schools that he was given permission to set up in Britain is called "Education and the Good Life." That was the title of it and the other one he wrote was "The Roads to Freedom," and in both of those books he goes through the whole future. We've actually seen it occur since then and he was part of the planning committee for British Royalty and nobility. He's Lord Bertrand Russell and he saw nothing wrong in the small elite, the intellectual elite and the scientific elite having the right to dominate the world and all the people in it.

Jackie:  What would the title of that book mean to him The Roads to Freedom"? Freedom from what?

Alan:  They've always been terrified of the masses. That's why you have such incredible amounts of entertainment and hobbies and sports and so on to keep everyone occupied and to get rid of any angry tendencies that can be played out on a field. They've always been terrified of the people actually truly being awake and seeing what was really going on, so they've always been terrified of the masses and quite rightly so; because if the masses could understand what's been happening to them and what is happening to them today, I wouldn't like to be in the shoes of any of the elite.

Jackie:  And they wouldn't like to be in their shoes either, would they?

Alan:  That's correct and that's why they're spraying the skies. They're killing off people. They've gone too far to turn back now. They can't come out and admit what they’ve been doing, but the signs are all around us – apparently even the UN has come out and admitted that the leading cause of death now is bronchial problems and pneumonia. They know what they're doing and they can't come out on any media and tell you this now. They've gone too far. The sperm count in the West is down by 75 percent. In other words, men are three quarter sterile from what they were in 1950 and it's about time the UN comes out next month and tells us the next statistic because they do it every year. Their plan is working and now of course with the next phase they plan – Bertrand Russell goes into this whole thing from the early 1900's, that they would create different types of humans for specialized work and he goes into it in a book called "The Impact of Science on Society."  He outlines all of this cybernetic type genetic manipulation and the need to eradicate again the part of your brain (for the masses, that is) which leads to your survival capabilities. It's your survival capabilities they're worried about. If they were working, you would know what's happening to those around you and yourself.

Jackie:  What part of the brain are we talking about?

Alan:  Basically it’s the part where all your intuition is based.

Jackie:  Is that the right side?

Alan:  It connects with them but it really is – they call it the primitive part. I mean all animals should have that. All wild animals have it because they can sense what's going on and it allows them to survive.

Jackie:  But you said one time that for example and I always forget whether it's the left or right side. One side is logic, knowledge et cetera, and the other side is creativity, intuition. Which side is which?

Alan:  The right is emotion and so on.

Jackie:  The right is right. Well I could remember that then.

Alan:  But all parts of your brain are still connected to that part which is your basic survival center and that should connect with both so that both sides can go into action and save your life. However, if you notice today, people are so passive and nothing is bothering them really, most people, and they don't even complain about the cost of gasoline; and when you see dictatorial measures taken to take away all rights and freedoms, really amongst the majority of the public, there's no real problem with it. Well, that's not natural you see. Plato went into that over 2,400 years ago. He said that we domesticate animals to eradicate their wildness and their survival capabilities. That's what a domesticated animal is. It's placid and tame and it doesn’t have the intuition of its impending doom, you might say, and of course that's what he suggested they actually do to people: Breed them the same way and breed out the aggressive tendencies which would allow them to be free. This is well understood. It's been discussed by many think tanks over the last 100 years or so and they're actually implementing it through scientific methods.

Jackie:  I think it's important for our newer listeners when you say okay this has been implemented over the past 100 years. It is just another phase of a system that has – but it takes itself in cycles, it seems, Alan.

Alan:  A long time ago the Egyptians had the diet of the slaves down to a very fine art. They knew exactly what to feed them, what not to feed them, to make them obedient, sluggish of thought but efficient enough to work. Not too fit and healthy so they could run off, so this has been tried by the Egyptians. The East India Company also used those techniques in its plantations. Malthus, who wrote the Treatise on population and population control, also wrote a book about feeding certain things to the people so they'd be sluggish of mind but very obedient.

Jackie:  And so did Charles Galton Darwin.

Alan:  The same thing. Of course, now we see that they've gone for the genetically modified food, which has taken over everything; and Monsanto, who is one of the biggest producers of the modified food, one of it's subsidiary companies is called SEARLE Pharmaceuticals and they work with the parent company on the modified food. Now Searle Company is one of the main leaders in psychotropic drugs for the psychiatric industry.  What on earth are specialists who normally make drugs (which tranquilize people) working with the food producers for?  And I think the answer is pretty obvious to everybody.

Jackie:  Who was it that said, one of the people in the U.S. government, that they would spray--

Alan:  That was Rumsfeld.

Jackie:  Rumsfeld. That they would actually spray a Prozac-like aerosol in the air if there was another terrorist attack. Is that what he said?

Alan:  He was asked right after 9/11 and it was an American station, probably CNN, but they probably didn't show it in the states, there was part of it where a reporter asked him how are you going to deal with another strike in another city where there can be widespread panic throughout the whole city?  And he said we have plenty of aerosolized Valium and Prozac which we can spray directly from the air which will calm the people down to such an extent they'll be kept out of a panic situation.  When he said it, I thought well that's probably what they've been doing all along in the spraying, because if I was one of them and I wanted to bring the world through this incredible transition, where amongst the few choices left you can at least your own mate to breed with and they want to stop even that from occurring, and so if I was going make the people of the future, I'd modify them just as much as they've modified the food. They call it "genetic enhancement"; if I was going to do all these massive changes, I would want the public to be tranquilized too. Of course, it makes perfect sense that's what they're doing.

Jackie:  We have number five to do before we go off the air.

Alan:  Well, number five is when and it comes to everyone is when you re-access yourself and who you are and where you stand in position with all those around you and you reshape all of your priorities, because they must obviously be re-categorized. Everyone I think goes through the same stages right up to there, where you have to decide what really is important to you as an individual with very limited choices really in life. Is it the material world that you're totally attached to? Or is there something else inside of you which will push you off in another direction or stand up and say no when the time comes for you?  It's a decision time in other words you will come to.  Most people will take the ID card, which is only a precursor to the chip which is implanted and it's already there. They've admitted that. Most people will take all of this hoping they can hang on to those material things, their house, vehicles and all this stuff, and it's a vain hope because these characters have said in all of their books that the world that they're creating with human habitat areas, there will be no private property. There will be no private property. There will be no private transportation allowed. That's on the UN website, by the way, under those habitat areas. Even though you think you're trying to save what you have, you have to accept the fact that the people who are running this world, even if you take the card and then take the chip, you're not going to be allowed to keep that stuff anyway.

Jackie:  You know what? I realized that when I got involved in this when it hit me and I said – my awakening was the first Iraq war when they had Poppy Bush talking about the New World Order, a gentler kinder world that we're going to live in and the Iraq war which didn't make sense at all to me why we were there. When it hit me it was just like a two-by-four across my head and what I realized and there were people because you know I owned a business and it was quite a successful business, a small business but it did very well, and the talk about me was and this was even in towns around Springfield that I got the echoes of what was being said. Well, I heard she's really gone off the deep end and people – what I realized is if everybody was like me because the way I was then was – you know my girls were grown. I was doing my business and taking tap lessons and my oil painting and playing Trivial Pursuit on Friday nights, et cetera, et cetera, and I realized literally, like a light bulb, if everybody is like me, because I am a perfect example of the problem, that nobody is going to have anything. I won't have a business. Nobody will have a business and that was – because I began to neglect my business. I just never went there anymore. I had people working for me, Alan, that I didn't even know and by the time I sold it I sold it for a pittance of what it had been worth because I had neglected it so, but there wasn't anything more important to me anymore, but I realize that.

The time does fly. We had a good half hour. I'm glad Tim called because the questions that he asked I think and your number five, re-assess ourselves. What is our purpose? Why are we here and who are we? Know thyself basically is what it is. Alan, thank you.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Thank you so much for being with us tonight, folks.

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Alan Solo

 

Alan:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. This isn't Jackie. It's Alan in case you're wondering. I joked with Jackie earlier that maybe the spray is affecting everybody and we're getting too much hormonal treatment coming from the skies, but no, it's me Alan Watt. I'm standing in and today is the 30th of May 2005 and I think it's the end of the Memorial Day in the United States of America.

In Canada we had our version of the same thing a couple of weeks ago and it was rather sad to see all the footage from World War I and II and then the Korean War; excerpts which had never been shown to the public before because it would have been "bad for morale" as they say. What you see are battlefields just full of bodies from the First World War lying in formation as they went over the trenches just dropping in line. One row after another and no one could ever persuade me that the generals did not know how to fight this war and so they just continued for two or three years sending regiment after regiment up into machine-gun fire. This was definitely a population reduction program, which really worked very, very well for them. Every town and village across the lengths and breadth of Britain has these monuments with thousands of names on them of people that were often your ancestors just wiped out at the age of 17 and 18.

My grandfather went to World War I at the age of 15. He lied to get in. It's just incredible to watch the techniques used by the big powers to get us into battles and wars. They can lie to us so we think we know what we're fighting for, but we never really do. It's not until 50 years later or more that we find out what the real reasons of the wars were. What the real motives were? Who benefited from them?  And of course the history of warfare goes back for many, many thousands of years using the same techniques and when money was first introduced by the Minoans who lived in the Aegean Sea, the Minoans are the precursors of the Phoenicians and very probably they were the same people simply using different names down through time. The Minoans live in beautiful island in the Aegean Sea. We know that because some of the remains of their buildings are still there and they had every room hand-painted in fresco art, which is still beautiful today. These Minoans owned the shipping lines of their day, the caravan routes across the Middle East and elsewhere. They owned basically the whole economy of the Old Ancient World and they lived the life of luxury in the Aegean Islands.

They also had connection to Egypt and we know that from the frescos which we can see on the walls, where the young boys' curls come down to the sides of their cheeks, which is a sign of youth, and the Egyptians used the same symbols for theirs and very probably they used the same artist to do their frescos. However, these Minoans left very little to us by knowledge except that apart from their luxurious lifestyles and the command of the trade routes, they also traded factory towns wherever they went. They would take over gradually through the introduction of money, which at that time was weighed and we can find the same weighing of money going back to Sumer. The same scales were used. The same weights and measures were used and these ancient merchant bankers literally were standardizing the weight and measure system across the Old Ancient World. When they took over a town or a village by the introduction of money and then the gradual lending of money, which led to interest, which then led to bankruptcy, they took over those little areas, put their own men in as tyrants and created factory towns, and then had everyone working producing things to pay off the debt; and this was going on 4,000 BC and probably longer.

We know for instance that the Egyptians traded with them. We also know that the people in the Levant areas traded with them and we know that they had an island of Bahrain, which that was their half way place where they brought in all of their goodies to sell. They could defend that little island and that way it was like a bank into itself, heavily defended. Even the Sumerian tablets show us the island they had of Bahrain was called "Dilmun," heavily fortified and the people themselves in Sumer did not know where all the goods actually came from at that time, but it's thought they were actually being brought over from somewhere in India.

We're looking at a tremendous society in ancient times run by a small group of people who introduced money everywhere they went. They introduced debt systems wherever they went. They introduced gradually, through bankruptcy, slavery systems wherever they went and then we're given to reason as to why they disappeared. Their main religious symbol as far as we know was a battle axe and it's the battle axe of course we eventually see showing as the fasciae [fasces] of the Romans much, much later. However, in between that time and the Romans, they changed their name to Phoenicians and moved into that area which is now called the Holy Land and they ran their trading routes from that area.

We know that the Phoenicians did kill their first-born in times of trouble; they'd sacrifice their first-born children. Only the nobility did this and thousands and thousands of urns have been dug up, unearthed underneath the temples where they buried the remains of these burned children. It's quite fascinating to see the same symbology eventually go into the Old Testament because there's hints, lot of hints at old Jehovah demanding the first-born of every creature; and no matter how much it's been scrubbed and polished, we can still get traces of that thing happening within what we think of as the Hebrew people.

However, getting back to the money situation, the money was the key to pretty well all of the world's problems 5,000 BC and onwards. Without money you could not hire an army or train it or hold it and then send it off abroad to fight for maybe years, and so whoever created the money ruled the army. What we find is an ongoing succession of countries becoming empires by the introduction of money, living quite happily with slavery systems as part of their system and we see them attacking countries which did not use their money and would not allow the debt system to come in. They simply used countries they'd taken over to invade them and force it on the people and this went on as they built up empire after empire.

The Greek Empire, which preceded the Roman Empire, had a huge effect on the Ancient World. Alexander the Great – although he was Macedonian and the Macedonians, by the way, their language is directly descended from the Phoenician tongue. Alexander had been trained by Aristotle who'd been trained by Plato and then going back a whole bunch of trainers prior to that went back to Egypt, because these were the Egyptian mysteries which were being exported abroad. We find that Aristotle was sent out as a "fisher king" to train revolutionaries to take over more and more of the world. Everything that came out of Egypt always ended up with people (students) setting up elsewhere and causing revolutions. Revolutions being the key to the "Great Work," as they called it, of taking over the world and making everything one.

Aristotle also was married to one of these international bankers of his day. His wife was the niece of one of the biggest international bankers who lived in a so-called area of the Holy Land. He trained Alexander to be a warrior. He trained him in the mysteries and he trained him to lead men and he also trained him that he was a god, because in all the mystery religions when you work through them you end up finding out, my God, you're a god yourself. Alexander did what he was told and trained to do and he took over a good part of Asia and the Holy Land of course and Egypt as well, and he was heavily, heavily funded from the banks back in his own country and the banks of Greece. When he died he left a couple of his generals who started dynasties in the countries which had been taken over. Ptolemy ended up taking over Egypt and becoming a pharaoh, so the latter pharaohs were not Egyptian. They were actually Greek, right down to Cleopatra.

They had a tremendous import and export business in the Ancient World when the Greeks ran it and when eventually it became too hot for the Greeks, they simply (the elite) moved and created Rome. Even though we always think of the Romans as speaking the old Latin language, the elite of Rome through their entire empire era spoke Greek amongst themselves because they were descended from the elite of Greece who all claimed to be the descendents of gods. The Romans, of course, you'll find in any history book that the Rome Elite did exactly the same because they were the same people and they even dedicated temples to themselves while alive and the people could go and worship their statue there as an actual deity, a god.

Constantine, even after he'd officially accepted Christianity, he himself was a member of the Mithraic cult, which was a mystery religion, and others; and he in his lifetime after 365 AD he also set up a temple where people could go and worship his likeness, his deity. Christianity did not put an end to the mystery religion. It was still working in the open in 365 AD and afterwards.

The obelisks that you see in Egypt were a symbol – each one was a symbol for some aristocracy member having reached a great height in the mystery religions and the obelisk was a phallic symbol of Apotheosis, attaining godhood, having the power of a god; and it was always shown with the virile obelisk symbol and that could even be used for a female. Cleopatra had one for her and other Egyptian queens prior to her. You'll find these obelisks, these phallic symbols from Egypt, some of them were taken to Rome. One was set up in the circus. Constantine had his son go and fetch them, which is a great job in itself, and then of course in about the 1700's the pope of that day had it moved to St. Peters Square outside of the Vatican.

France also had one which they put outside their parliament building. Another one was taken and sent to London where it stands on the banks of the Thames faced by the four major banks that rule Britain. Another one was taken from Egypt and ended up in the park outside New York. It's still there and we wonder why would brand new countries send off to Egypt for obelisk symbols in an era of supposed Christianity; and what it tells you is that the mystery religion not only co-exists with Christianity, it claims to have created the religion of Christianity and it is behind it in fact. These obelisks were brought from a place which had an empire; a world empire of its time, Egypt, and placed around the world in other areas.

There was also one taken to Constantinople where Justinian ruled the Catholic Church at that time. The only new one which was built on any scale was the one to George Washington and we have to look at that very carefully because why in this supposed what we're told is all these Christians fighting for their new country and no king but Jesus et cetera, et cetera and the propaganda we read coming out and afterwards of that era – why would they erect an obelisk to George Washington? And the reason of course is that George Washington was a member not only of the British Royal families, as you can find from Burk's Peerage, the official Queen's genealogists, but most of the big figures that we know of that signed the Declaration of Independence were terribly High Masons, freemasons of that era.

In the modern Masonic books they boast about the fact that they've been behind revolutions, that they gave us the national and international education system and they do the planning for the future. Now obviously these aren't the little Masons on your street corner. These are the lower freemasons who think they know what they belong to, but in the words of Albert Pike, who was the high chutzpa of the Southern Jurisdiction, he was the Grand Master. He was actually called the Pope of Freemasonry. He said for the lower masons "it's not necessary that they understand what the symbols mean. It's only that they think they understand," because freemasonry does not end at the 32nd and then the 33rd honorary degree. It goes way beyond that and there are much, much higher sects and then you get into the noble lineages, the knightly images, Aristocratic freemasonry where you now get into the real stuff of what's really going on. You'll find that these aristocracies and these nobilities can trace the lineages back for thousands and thousands of years and they only intermarry through the advice of the high priests who match them up genealogically with their wives so that they can maintain, as they say, "the perfect breeding."

In the newspapers over the last few years, they've been quite honest especially in the British newspapers to inform us who these presidents are and their running mates too, and generally you'll find that both of them are related to the royal families. John Kerry actually had more bloodline connections in the royal families of Europe than did George Bush and he has plenty enough. What we're looking at here are families who have been involved in huge business and banking going back for many, many thousands of years, right down into ancient Greece and even Egypt.

When we look at Prince Charles, he made the famous statement that he not only goes back to the lineage of David but he goes back to the days of Noah. Now supposedly these people are quite sane, so the newspapers tell us, and yet they come out with these statements without any qualification to the public and we let it pass, even though they say it with a straight face; but when you really do the digging, you'll find they're telling the truth. At least to the fact that they can trace their lineages back for thousands and thousands of years.

If you go back to the Minoans, the earliest merchant bankers who owned the shipping lines, the ships themselves and the trading routes going all the way to China and then passing it on to the Phoenicians and then again the building up of the Grecian Empire, which then promoted it further and created a larger empire, then the Roman Empire which took over a good part of the world. What we're seeing is a step-by-step enlargement of empires until eventually they've got to where they are now, which is the final step towards world empire. The people who are up there in charge of all this have descendancies going all the way back to all the ancient famous people of ancient history. That is not a coincidence. It's impossible to be a coincidence. These people are literally specially bred through their mating up of their partners to do exactly what they're doing.

If we jump even further back to Plato of Greece who lived around 2,350 years ago, Plato laid out the agenda for world empire in a book called "The Republic" and if we give some background on Plato, he like all of the aristocracy claimed direct descendancy from the gods. He was trained in the Grecian mysteries. He then went off to do his studies like most of them did in Egypt and then he left to go to the Middle East, which is basically Jerusalem, and from then on from studying the mysteries there he then went to India and then completed his course there and came back to Greece, where he did exactly what all those before him had done. He started his own mystery school up where he recruited the youth and he taught the youth the methods of governance, of how to change the world, the direction they were to change the world in, the reasons for it and sometimes to create revolutions. He also talked in "The Republic" of this perfect world state to come, where "The Guardian Class," as he called it, which today we'd say were the aristocracy, most of whom we never hear about and see in public. These Guardian Classes have been here forever and Plato said that they would have complete and total rule over the perfect world state. He said they were specially bred for intellect. They were specially bred to have sensitivity – it was intellect but not softness, as he called it, meaning they would not be terribly forgiving; and then he likened it to the ways that animals have been bred already for thousands of years. He said, "we can breed domesticated animals with certain traits."  And he mentioned the dogs, different variety of dogs. Some were bred with other dogs to create vicious types for guard dogs. Some were bred for higher intelligence like the sheep dogs and so on. He said we can do the same with people.

Now when he said that, you also get the clue that the Guardian Class that he's talking about have also been bred for that position. They can be ruthless when required. They can use intelligence most certainly. They're cunning but they have enough congeniality to get on with each other as the Guardian Class. When you realize that priests even in the Christian era took over from the old mystery religion boys when it came to mating up kings and queens and rulers by the same technique of going through their genealogies for certain traits, then they could pretty well, as Plato said, like a good well-bred dog, he said you could actually breed the qualities into a person and their offspring that you wanted. Therefore, if you got someone who was a bit too weak or too kind, you would not let them be king, so you would breed them again and then get the perfect one, the one who was aggressive. The perfect type of Alexander for instance who would go and enjoy killing and slaughtering and yet still have a fairly high intellect. This is the Guardian Class that he was talking about.

He then went on to say there'll be a helper class around them who could be drawn from the lower classes, which he called "the ITS", the lower classes in his day were simply called "the ITS."  You were a non-person. You were a thing. You were classed amongst the lowest animals and he talked about the need to breed them the same way for specialized tasks and specialized functions. If you wanted people to be miners, you would breed them small and squat and you'd match them up to wives that were the same. You would make sure that they had good health. They were strong and robust and could withstand the dampness in the mines and the conditions and they actually did that. They bred people the same way as you'd breed animals for specific tasks by mating them up.

In the world to come that he talks about, he said eventually no one will be allowed to marry in the IT class, the lower classes, without specialized permission, instead we shall selectively breed the types we need. And isn't it strange that here we are today where that science has been pushing so hard through genetic engineering to get to that very step?

I hear the bell and I believe we're going to take a break for a minute. I'll talk to you later after the break.

I think there is a truism that you can never take sponsorship from any company or corporation without some sort of, how do we say it – there's a compromise always made and most of those on shortwave today are heavily financed and backed by companies who sell various products, generally fear-based products which you buy in emergencies and so on, and that is their outlet is a fear-based station or program which cries horror and terror all the time. It's good for business and people could do that, but Jackie has decided not to because there are more listener questions involved here. Is it right to make people so afraid and then have them buy your products out of fear? We should really think about these things and Jackie doesn't want to compromise what she has to say by bringing in a big partner.

If anyone wants to get in touch with me, I'm putting out three books which explain this ancient history right up to the present time. I explain how the societies have been involved in the creation of religions, all religions, and how they manage societies through mind control basically and that's what religion was always used for, still is.

Now we get back to what we were saying there about these amazing long, long genealogical lineages going back, all the way back to Sumer – which tells us obviously that Sumer was not the beginnings of civilization. It simply resumed that type, the system (I call it) of civilization from a previous civilization. We know that 6,000 BC and before, there were other trading groups called the Harappans who traded all the way from India and all through the Middle East. These Harappans whose cities they're still digging up lived very well. They were definitely traders, very wealthy. They had hot and cold running water going through their buildings. They lived better than many people of today live in fact and I think they simply transposed eventually into the Sumerian culture because when the Sumerians sprang up, they did not learn or evolve in their system. It was already established from all the different priesthoods who were also bureaucrats. They were specialized bureaucrats or priesthoods. They had a monied system and a weights and measures system. They had receipts which you could use at the local market and they'd bake it for you in clay in 15 minutes. They had a whole system of taxation, right to death taxes, in Sumer 5,000 BC. Nothing really has changed terribly in this system.

If we look at Charles Galton Darwin, who was the grandson of Charles Darwin, and this particular Darwin was a physicist working in England in the 1950's, in his book that he put out called "The Next Million Years," he goes through this system. He says quite openly and honestly, he said that every system in civilization—and that's the key. They're talking about their system, which is called "civilization"—every system has been based on a form of slavery and he said what we are creating now in the 1950's is a more perfect form of slavery, where the average person will be unaware that they are actually a slave. This was to be done so gradually and carefully and through various taxations et cetera and the burgeoning of bureaucracies that the public would slowly step-by-step simply accept it. They would never really think about it and once it was in place it's almost impossible for most people to actually go back and find out how all this started, it was so subtle and gradual. That's what they're talking about.

They took their basis for a slave system, in Charles Galton Darwin's book, he took it from the serfdom of England. Now England being England doesn't like to use the word slave so when the Normans took over in about 1266 they created a serfdom, which is a slave system for the inhabitants, and the serf was bought and sold with the land for hundreds of years afterwards. The serf technically owned nothing. The little farmhouse that he lived in was not his. It belonged to the lord, but he had to grow all of the lord's wheat or corn and he would be left with about 60 percent—in non-intensive farming, remember, 60 percent of his labor, his corn, was kept to himself and to feed his family and his helpers; 40 percent went to the lord, which he generally sold most of.

Now when you work out the taxation system today, it's quite amazing to find out that through direct taxation and hidden taxes the average Joe is paying 40 percent or more in taxes, so we are serfs and slaves, only we're better at it. We're self-maintained. The slave master doesn’t have to throw us clothes or shoes or hire thugs to watch us. They simply train us that we're free and tell us that, and then we work ourselves and what's left we actually feed ourselves and clothe ourselves and buy vehicles to get to work; plus all the licenses and insurance it takes to do that. He was quite right that we are living in a more sophisticated form of slavery.

When we jump back again in time to Plato, because Plato out of all the mystery philosophers wrote much more about this system that was to come, he said outside of the Guardian Class the helping class would be consisting mainly of a military; a hereditary military. He said towards the end we will bring females into the military and eventually these females will breed with the soldiers and they will have an intergenerational army, who will know nothing except what they're taught in the military and they will be apart from civilization population. Of course, now we're getting to the end of the whole thing and we see that happening today, where they've already vanquished the differences between male and female. The women are emulating the males and of course we're finding more and more of these army people marrying each other and having offspring, who then become members of the military. They are training people and breeding them exactly the same way that Plato said they would.

Towards the end when they have the whole world system in place, Plato talked about the reductions of populations by various methods including disease to reduce the excess which would no longer be required. He said eventually they will have their utopia run by the Guardian Class who were technically a scientific elite and he called it "The Natural Aristocracy."  The same term that you'll find that Thomas Jefferson used because he was an illuminati himself. They believed that they being the well-educated scientific types had the right to dominate those less intelligent or uneducated and run the world through scientific means; and that also meant running the people the same way, forbidding certain ones to breed, perhaps sterilizing others, and this is almost where we are at today. Almost all of the program has been implemented and Plato said eventually those who will be left (he's talking about the lower ITS, you might say) would simply live with a duty to serve the state. That will be your only function: a duty to serve the state.

From there we jump into the Rockefeller Foundation and all the other foundations and they're pouring out propaganda about the New World Order and what it's supposed to be and my goodness it's along the line of Plato. No excess population. You will not be born unless they have a job to put you into and they also talk about the specialization through breeding for specialized tasks. Now we're hearing that the future laborer is going to be a cyborg, part machine. They definitely will be unable to think for themselves because they will have chips installed which will be connected to regionalized computers, which will direct their work for them, and this is all pretty well out in the open for anyone who wants to look at it now. It's called "social Darwinism."  It's the perfect society for the elite, where they don't have to use media, novels and nice stories to persuade us to go along a certain direction. They simply will have the right to make us go along in the direction they want and leading eventually of the annihilation of individualism. Individualism is their great enemy, that's why they want to destroy that part of the brain, as they've said in so many writings, that gives you your ability of being an individual, of even perceiving yourself amongst others as a distinct living entity. They want to destroy that through chemical means and various other means.

Arthur Koestler who worked for the United Nations on this very project of how to lobotomize that part of the brain which he called "primitive," but it's the part of the brain that gives you all of your individual survival capabilities. He said, "how do we destroy this to get world peace?" He said, "should we put drugs in their water which will attack that part of the brain? Should we put it in the drinking supply or their food supply or he said spray them from the air?" and my goodness, what do we find? They're doing all of them.

Inoculations of course were also mentioned because inoculations, just like biological warfare, they can target specific parts of the brain and literally burn them out. Now Charles Galton Darwin in his book again, "The Next Million Years," tells us that the elite themselves, the scientific elite, the natural aristocracy, will of course leave themselves unaffected. They will not be lobotomized he said because it will destroy the survival capabilities of anyone who is. Since they are the elite who will be guiding the planet he said we will need to retain all those faculties; and so those women and men who they have deemed to belong to the natural aristocracy, the super scientific elite, will remain unharmed. Of course, the food that they will be given won't be genetically modified as it's been given to everyone else today.

Now this might sound shocking to people and it is the bad news. Of course it is, because you have to look at the bad news to see what can be done about it, even for yourself, and that is the key to it. You can't start off a movement to try and save the world. You'll find most people don't really care or they're too far gone already with their inoculations and their lifestyle and their buying of the fast foods and so on and the cans of the modified stuff. You have to save yourself first of all so you can think more clearly and you must try and get those around you to do the same. People who can grow their own foods should be doing it, because when you see that Monsanto has a subsidiary company called Searle and Searle Company is a pharmaceutical company specializing for many, many years in psychotropic drugs for the psychiatric industry. Now when the two of them are working together to make your food, alarm bells should be going off and you say why would a company who specializes in various kinds of tranquilizers and anti-psychotic drugs be in bed with these other guys to make our food?

Now that's a simple basic question that everyone should ask and they should really know the answer before they ask it because it's obvious. Plants have grown drugs in the past. India thousands of years ago had a huge slave population who lived on Soma. The drug Soma produced by a plant. We're talking really about opium. Plants are famous for creating certain drugs. Now when Monsanto spends years swapping genes from various, various species of animals, insects and even humans to put them into these modern plants, coupled with a psychiatric producing firm or drug producing firm, it's rather obvious that these modified foods are also producing certain drugs and these drugs are affecting people, who are losing memory. More and more people are losing short-term memory, of all ages. Therefore you have to keep yourself alive and in peak condition as possible by eating natural foods, which you have to grow yourself or get from someone that you know has natural seed. There are some companies out there, which I'm sure Jackie will tell you about when she comes back on the show as to where you can send for companies which sell natural seed – the seed that has not been altered, as far as anyone knows.

Canada found out five years ago by accident that the Canadian population were the test rats for the modified food and we got the news from England. It turned out that the government of Canada had entered (and they've admitted this too) secret deals with Monsanto to test the modified stuff on the Canadians. Now the Canadians here have a national healthcare system so all your healthcare goes into central databases in Ottawa, so they can see immediately what health effects are causing on the public. It's a great way of taking data you see on your experiment and since the government admitted finally under pressure that we've been eating this modified food for 10 years, and since governments always lie, you could probably stretch that to 20 years.

We see the effects around us. Those who are awake can see the sluggishness of the minds of Joe Average. It isn't their fault. You can't blame them. They've been inoculated with God knows what and we can't find out actually what they have been inoculated with. They're eating stuff that's scientifically designed to slow them down mentally. They're not reacting to anything really, such as the gas prices skyrocketing. You're looking at a population that's being tranquilized and then we find out all the spraying that's going on is adding to that. We are in the middle of a war and it's a war primarily of the mind. This is the last war. It's a war for the mind and when the mind goes, any other war is gone. Forget it. The war for your spirit or anything else goes with it. Therefore I'd advise those who can start a regime of healthy eating for themselves by finding out who is selling organic foods, real organic foods, to go out and do it and start it because you cannot waste time on this. When your mind goes you go.

Now this has been a rush in this hour to put out so much, but the point was a system was developed and put into operation; a plan was hatched thousands of years ago to take over the world. The rabbis claim it was about 4 - 4,500 BC that this "great plan" came down, as they called it, and was set into motion. The Greeks said the same thing and therefore the reference to Prometheus is a symbol of this great light or plan coming down to the high initiates who had put it into motion; and they hoped to have it all in place by what they called the Age of Aquarius, which we are now entering into now. The Age of Aquarius they said for the people it would be a sign of peace, love and understanding. Of course, the elites knew it for its deeper meaning, which is: as Aquarius throws out the old water from his bowl, it's the sea of life he's talking about. It's the gene pool and of course the old man gets thrown out as they bring in the new. That's what it really means and we are living at that time when we're about to embark upon the next phase, which can be introduced very easily, they're ready to do it, of enhancing genes as they say and then giving us a completely cloned human being – who they will say is much superior intellectually and otherwise.

They are creating what the Christians would call "the anti-Christ" you might say, someone who believes he's god-like and he certainly will have an incredible intelligence. He'll be charming enough to fool most people and because the media will build them up to this stardom status, the public will believe that they should follow this guy, this guy has got all the answers, but there won't be just one of them. There will be many of them and unfortunately the public generally fall for the massive propaganda when they create this type of "superman" you might call it, so be aware that this is all underway. World meetings have been held over many years about this very time that we're living in and the strategies were all laid down. Thousands of think tanks work on them all the time and we are about to see it come into effect and we are about to take the brunt and we are the ones who have to be able to speak out and inform those who are uninformed as to what's really going on; so it's not all black or hopeless. There are people out there who do understand what must be said openly and we must also accept there will be a backlash against anyone who can put over their knowledge to those who have none. This will definitely come.

That's almost where we have to conclude tonight, I think, because we're up against the bell. Tomorrow night Jackie will be back with, you refreshed I'm sure, and we'll take it from there. Thanks for listening tonight and once again my name is Alan Watt and I thank you very much for listening. Good night, folks.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. This is Monday and it is the 6th of June in the year 2005 and I'm glad you've joined us tonight. I hope you had a nice weekend, folks. I'm getting myself organized here. We have a guest this evening, somebody that I think you'll be very pleased to be able to listen to and we haven't had him on too often and so I wanted to bring him on this evening. Alan Watt is with us tonight, folks. I'm being facetious. Alan, thanks for being here.

Alan:  Yes, it's a pleasure.

Jackie:  The reason I ask Alan to come on we were talking about the food folks and one of the things that Alan was telling me that I wasn't aware of is what the large argi-businesses like Monsanto. You wouldn't call them an agri-business, would you? Agri-business?

Alan:  That's what they call themselves, but they're really a complete monopoly. That's their job.

Jackie:  A complete monopoly; and to start this out, would you tell our listeners what you were telling me about what they're doing with the patenting of other peoples and companies seeds?

Alan:  Monsanto of course started off with a patent for genetically modified food for one particular species and of course that eventually after a few failures eventually it got through the patenting procedure and so for the first time a company could actually patent and own a foodstuff or the seed. However, that didn't seem to be the real purpose behind it because what it did was open up the doors for Monsanto then to go and purchase anybody's seed, and then of course they could go patent it, go back to the purchaser and say to them you can't sell that anymore because we own the rights to it.

Jackie:  And you said they're actually doing this today?

Alan:  They've done it with thousands of species.

Jackie:  Of species of seeds?

Alan:  These are seeds which produce plants which people have spliced and so on in the old way for hundreds maybe thousands of generations to get that perfect plant and of course no one thought of patenting the rights to it, except of course the big money boys because food and water are necessities and they're taking over both. And I think you have the quote there from that lady who was in charge of the UN--

Jackie:  Bertonelli.

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Where she said we use food as a – did she say weapon? She said we make no apologies.

Alan:  Yes and of course there's no doubt about it, to whip the world into shape into the new system we can see that water has been taken over step by step. Now food of course is going the same way. People don't realize they’ve had riots in other parts of the world where Monsanto has paid off governments to push their seeds on the people. India had massive riots over there.

Jackie:  You mean the people in India actually know?

Alan:  India has such a long history of a very class type system and it's only in recent years that they've had any small farmers at all who owned their own land and they see right away this is a move to take it all back from them, because the seed that you have to purchase from Monsanto won't regenerate itself. You have to go back every year to buy more seed.

Jackie:  They have the terminator seed and that is one, I believe – I remember reading about that that they're on the third world countries where people – I mean they live by the food that they grow and the farmers are being forced into using the terminator seed. They won't be able to afford continue farming because they always save their seed, their corn and grain and et cetera, enough of it for the next planting; and the terminator seed, folks, in case you haven't heard about it, probably most of you had, it is a seed that will grow a food. I don't think the foods are seedless but the seeds will not sprout and this is another – you know when Alan did the broadcast last Monday night and I didn't listen to it then but I did listen to it Tuesday night after I did the broadcast. I listened to it on the archives and he mentioned the importance of gardening, but gardening with not hybrid seeds. The hybrids aren't bad. They're not genetically modified food but the seed of the hybrid, if they take two different types of let's say a hybrid tomato and they make it this real nice cool super tomato out of it, the seeds of that tomato, about 25% of them will germinate but they're not going to be the hybrid. They're going to go back to whoever hybridized them believed to be inferior. What they do, Alan – you know one of the nice things about if we didn't have to worry about buying seed is that they can hybridize a particular plant for particular areas that maybe are resistant to certain plant diseases but now in the Southern Exposure Seed Exchange Catalogue they've got, it’s like you said, they have grown these seeds over time. They're actually what they call "heritage seeds" from long, long ago and so they actually have been able to breed the plants that are no longer hybrids that are for particular growing areas and are resistant to rust or whatever some plants can get and we won't have access to these.

Alan:  No, and this is again a priority. It's obviously a priority because the judges are totally onboard as they say with this – onboard is a good pirate term. Now they're fining anybody who gets Monsanto's seed blown on their land and even in the charges that they're using against farmers where they find one or two plants on his land, they'll put him out of business and take the farm and they're doing it. The judge even said in Canada here at the Supreme Court level, he didn't care how it got there, if it blew off, was dropped, brought in by a combine harvester and that's another method of moving this around. Farmers often hire guys to go around the farms with their combines and they're taking seed with them and then spreading it on the next farm.

Jackie:  This one particular I remember reading it and I think it's the same one you're talking about, although there have probably been more than one, but the one farmer who grew a non-GM corn and there was GM corn close enough that if – what's the word? Pollinated, then he was accused of patent infringement and that's the one where the judge said and it was because the wind blew the pollen from this GM corn into his field and the judge didn't give a dog gone.

Alan:  In that case there was even another farmer who had a whole truck full of seeds who had gone past his land and found out the bags were burst.They found out that the bags had burst on another farmer that was passing his farm and the farmer said that probably half of my seed here has blown onto your land, and the farmer admitted it.He says you've probably got half my seed across your field here and so that was against him too, but the judge said I don't care if a bird even passed its seed in its droppings, the fact is as long as it's on your land that's all I need to know.  Again, it's a Masonic must-be for their GM Grand Master foods that this is going to be this way because they want the small farmers out of business.

Jackie:  They want to put home gardeners out of business.

Alan:  Yes they do.

Jackie:  Just people who are growing for their own survival, Alan.

Alan:  Yes, that's a fact. They want to have total control of everything on the planet and when you watch these wildlife programs that they always have on television, you'll notice that they have the experts in the fields, or students or whatever, tracing all kinds of animals, even rattle snacks and they catch them--

Jackie:  Tracking them?

Alan:  They tag them and track them, and you know this is all a symbol of what's going to happen to every individual. It's the same thing. It's the ownership of everything on the planet.

Jackie:  Including our minds.

Alan:  That too. We can see where it's all going and food, shelter and clothing and water are essential for human life and they want to make sure in the perfect world they're creating in their habitat areas there will be no private property. You'll have to rent. You'll pay for all your food and you'll pay for every glass of water you drink; and of course if you don't go along with it, the punishment will be the withdrawal of your credits so that you can't pay for anything.

Jackie:  Your pings on the computer. Well, this is good news what I'm going to say that just popped in my mind because we talk about – I don't like saying "they're going to" because it seems to me we're helping speak it in like it's a given and maybe you think it is. Maybe it is, Alan, but I don't care to be part of helping to speak it in and I'd rather say their intentions and we know how far they've come today. But Holland and France, in Holland there was a 67 percent 'no' vote for the European Constitution and of course France also and these are the people out there. It seems like there's a wakening happening, Alan.

Alan:  I don't see it the same way.

Jackie:  Don't you?

Alan:  I was in Europe when all that stuff was going on the last time and I can remember Britain voting no to join the union three times and they said well regardless you're getting it anyway and the same with most the other countries. Whatever is happening today, there's another motive behind it and I think what they're doing is bringing on a form of chaos.

Jackie:  But this isn't the government voting. It's the people voting.

Alan:  Yes, but you know the governments can manipulate votes anyway they wish, because they can tell you whatever results they want to, and so I think they're intentionally stirring up something because they do want some chaos on so that they can put the new laws through and speed things up that way.

Jackie:  They have to have the opposition to make the change.

Alan:  See that's their religion. It's the "law of nature" as they call it; and by nature, they mean spring, fall, summer, winter. It's using at least two sides for opposition to create a third, which is the outcome.

Jackie:  The third way.

Alan:  The third way and that's what they've always done you see. Something else is going on over there because these guys remember started the program and the bureaucracies up in 1948 to unite Europe, but they never admitted that to the public until it was all achieved, so they're not likely to throw it out the window now.

Jackie:  Like Vicente Fox and George Bush and Paul Martin restructured a continent in an afternoon on March 23rd while Terri Schiavo was being murdered in plain sight in front of the whole world.

Alan:  That's right. That's what they did. Of course, one day you wake up and some how it all changed and it's here and you say well how did it get here?  However, there are big forces working towards all of this and the media of course being an arm of government – in fact, the media is essential to government to keep us all busy and distracted and worried and so on. The media isn't going to come out and tell the public the truth. It's amazing how many authors come out from the media after the goal of any particular part has been achieved. They all come out with their books after it's done, which meant they knew it all along but they didn't tell the public.

Winston Churchill boasted about this during World War II that they'd unite Europe. It's so odd you see. There's your right and left again. There was Hitler going to unite Europe and there was Churchill. The only opposition they really had in a peacetime situation was the general public in every country that wouldn't go for it, so they gave us a war you see and achieved it anyway. This is typical of the strategy they use. Something else is going on in Holland right now and France.

Jackie:  Something else. You mean that we don't know about?

Alan:  We'll eventually see it, whether they want some kind of restructuring after a students riot or something, but there's something else behind it. Something they want.

Jackie:  Well, you know what? That makes sense because it's like the article that I told you about last evening. It was in the Philadelphia Enquirer about fluoride and the dangers of fluoride. How it destroys kidneys and bones and why do we have this in our drinking water? The Philadelphia Enquirer is a big newspaper and very widely read and then there was the man that gave the talk on 9/11 at that university in Wisconsin and then C-Span picked it up. On at least two occasions I caught it the second time around and this man pulled no punches. It wasn't one of those "oh, there was government forewarning and the government didn't do anything. The FBI knew but they didn't do anything," et cetera. He laid it out and basically said this was an insider job and this was on C-Span twice and I sat there and I listened. You know your ears get really tuned and you can hear the littlest hook and I heard no hooks, Alan, and I thought my God, why is C-Span doing this? Twice. They didn't just do it once. They did it twice. But it's as you said. What they might be doing with this fluoride article, maybe it is testing the waters to see if anybody even responds or reacts to it.

Alan:  It could be.

Jackie:  I mean the thing is, why is it mandated to be in our water systems and it was a lengthy article.

Alan:  And I wonder how much we actually have had so far?

Jackie:  I don't know. Now see, that makes me question. Now I get excited when it looks like a lot of people are standing up and speaking out. That looks to me like an awakening. That's why I said that, but when the controlled media is saying this stuff it gets very confusing. What in the world are they up to?  It was just like – do you know after GW on the afternoon of the eve of Purim announced that we were going to "go to war with Iraq" the New York Times and the New York Post began printing articles about how he lied and all the lies that were told to justify going to war. Now this is two years ago and I thought what are they doing here? Because these are the same creatures that put him into office and I thought well maybe they're going to take him down, but they haven't, and they printed all that stuff.

Alan:  I know. In Canada here they did show on the CBC part of the supposed inquiry into the Iraq war and Bush was sitting along with Powell and a few other ones and they asked the question about the reasons for his attacking Iraq and the fact that there was no connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 bombing, and he said I never claimed that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11. He admitted that, but of course the same media and the Canadian government again, the CBC television, showed polls done in the U.S. that two years after 9/11 the media had convinced the public that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for 9/11; but there was the president admitting that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with it at the actual inquiries.

Jackie:  But like you said, people are losing their memories.

Alan:  They are losing memory. He did admit it. In fact, he justified it by saying "the world's better off without this tyrant." That's how he justified the war.

Jackie:  Without this tyrant.And I'll tell you on the internet, probably 29 out of 30 articles that you get about anything, there's always that thing in there. For example, yes, it's true. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and he shouldn't have been in power, however, so the big lie is Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and yet he's the man we saw standing in front of a crowd of people talking and when he finished besides the jeering and yelling they were all firing their guns. In the book on Saddam Hussein the government actually gave the guns to the people for self-defense.

Alan:  In fact on again the CBC prelude to the war, they showed that all the private gun shops in Iraq were open up to the start of the invasion and they were selling their guns very, very cheaply to everybody, every civilian.

Jackie:  The people who didn't have them?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And you know if somebody's hated that bad a "tyrant" they're not going to stand – I mean even if he was wearing a whole of body armor, his head and face was – you know underneath his uniform he might have been protected, but his head and face wasn't protected and that was right on CNN.

Alan:  Winston Churchill talked about Iraq before World War II and he said that Iraq is going to be very, very important in the future because of the vast quantities of oil in the north. He said that will be a future battleground. Again, if you go back to H.G. Wells, who was a propagandist for the British government, in "The Shape of Things to Come" he said there would be two world wars and then a final third one. He said two with Germany, by the way, before the first one happened, and he said the third one will start in Basra, which is Basra, Iraq. These guys have had this agenda up their sleeves for over 100 years, probably a lot longer. People forget already that Saddam Hussein in his eyes he was taking back Kuwait which had been part of old Persia before Britain divided up the land after World War I.

Jackie:  Yes and England did that, didn't it?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And not only – maybe it would have been left alone but while Iraq was involved in that war with Iran and then you find out when you read the book on Saddam Hussein. While the U.S. was actually – what do you call supporting Iran in that war to keep it going and while they were doing that Kuwait was drilling underneath at an angle and drilling oil -- sucking oil out of actually Iraq territory, and that was what Saddam Hussein said, you guys stop it.

Alan:  It was in the papers at the time and Papa Bush, that was his first major job for the big boys was to set up the oil fields in Kuwait.

Jackie:  We're at the bottom of the hour and we're going to take a commercial break here, folks, and I hope you will get your pen in hand.

Alan:  Hello. We're back again and I have three books for sale concerning not just the New World Order. This is an old world order which simply keeps upgrading itself to the next part and I've got 1 2 and 3 just completed and I'll be putting more out this week. If anyone wants them, [see www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information], and I'll get them out as fast as I can.  They do go through a lot of the history of this system and that's what it is. It's a system which has been running this world for thousands of years, building empires and destroying empires as it goes along. Now we've reached the time when they're building the final empire, the world empire, and they're going to reshape the whole planet in the image they've created for it, which is basically based on economics and if you don't have a function or they have no function for you, you simply will not be allowed to exist.

Jackie:  I'm here Alan, but you go right ahead.

Alan:  I've just finished.

Jackie:  Well, you said this is the final one.

Alan:  It's the final one for this phase of it it's taking.

Jackie:  Right. Becausethey've been here before and maybe not to the extent that they are right now as you've said, but as you've said, too, they're not going to be successful. It doesn't mean that there isn't going to be terrible chaos and heartache et cetera, but it doesn't mean that they're going to be successful.

Alan:  What I watch for is not people fighting or Holland or France complaining or stopping or saying no. What I watch is for the elite starting to fight amongst themselves, because that will be the sign that their pyramid is going to start crumbling. Because these people you have to understand have been bred for their purpose. That's why there so intent on not just interbreeding but specialized breeding for specific traits, just like pedigree animals or domesticated animals are bred for specific tendencies. These people are bred to rule basically. They don't have compassion as we know it and they're heartless, but what they also have in common is an addiction to total power. They want power. The Joe Average doesn't want power over anything but these people want power over everything and they all want it; and now that they see this throne of the world, this philosopher king as they call it, the throne is getting set up basically. There's only one seat for this philosopher king and they all want to be occupying it, and that's when they will start fighting amongst themselves.

Jackie:  And I have read – this has been even in the last few years that they're already bickering and fighting amongst themselves.

Alan:  They try and cover it up as best they can because they must give a semblance of order to the people, but these people are ruthless when it comes to power and the sharks can all feed on other creatures as long as there's lots of other creatures around; but once they're penned in themselves into that little top group where they all want positions, that's when they start feeding on each other and that's when the trouble starts.

Jackie:  Folks, I've got the phone number here for you. What I went and did was found my catalogue for the Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. There are other catalogues out there that have non-hybrid seeds and non-GM seeds. This one I use. I love this catalogue. There is just about nothing that you would not want to grow that you couldn't find in this catalogue and they actually have them listed for what parts of the country they're good. Even for example in the Deep South, a particular type of tomato that grows well there et cetera and this is Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. They're in Virginia and their website is SouthernExposure.com if you want to get a hold of them. You can get their address when you call them and I urge you – well, I'm not going to urge you I guess because you're going to do it if you're going to do it or not. I don't care if you live in the city. You can turn your backyard into a garden, folks, and I know I'm taking us back off the trail that we were on and back to this food thing, but where there is a will there is a way. If you live in the city. If you live in an apartment.

You know there are people who are doing this in cities getting permission if you would from the city or the township or whatever if you don't have the space to do a garden and they’re doing gardening collectively. I hate to use that word but that's what they're doing and where there is a will there is a way, but today we just have no idea what we're eating. What we're drinking when we buy food at the grocery stores today and you know I've been buying lettuce. I love salads and I get lettuce and I just – Alan, that lettuce will stay without wilting or rusting for weeks.

 

Alan:  I know someone in the area telling me he knows someone who had a tomato that sat on the window ledge for months and it took almost eight months before it starting drying out.

Jackie:  Well, let me tell you something. There's a tomato at the grocery store now. I don't know that I've seen it lately but I haven't look and you know what it says? Please don't refrigerate our beautiful tomatoes. Now this is a beautiful looking tomato on the outside, but probably besides the minerals that you would get from a tomato grown in good sound nutritious earth. Vitamin C dissipates at room temperature and so therefore in the first place how in the world could you keep a tomato without keeping it refrigerated for any length of time? But even the lettuce and anything we eat and you know I was reading that article to our listeners last week about aspartame, by God it's in all kinds of things. It's in all kinds of prepared foods. The same as the MSG (monosodium glutamate) and it's a killer.

Alan:  And they know that too.

Jackie:  Yes, of course they do and I don't think I ever got to the article on MSG additive in food. They mask the name of it. Some of the things will say "no MSG added" and it's because the MSG is already in it, but also when you see an ingredient that says "hydrolyzed vegetable protein" – now that sounds pretty innocent, doesn't it? I don't know what the heck hydrolyzed means but vegetable protein. It's another name for monosodium glutamate and evidentially the word is getting out because Lilly found on the internet a bill that was actually passed here in Pennsylvania that is mandating that restaurants list on their menus foods that MSGs are being added to because MSG first of all of course it has no nutrients. But they say that it causes obesity and in the article that I have here that I intended and I don't think I got to it, when they're studying rats let's say for an example. An example was used they want to study diabetes and they need to have a fat rat. Well, rats aren't fat naturally so they inject them with MSG. They inject them with MSG and get their fat rats and not only that, but the FDA has put no limits on how much they use. It's in everything and they listed – I mean you can list all the restaurants but some of the – well, like McDonald's and Kentucky Fried and et cetera, et cetera, they say that it's actually addictive and it makes people eat more.

Alan:  It's a war on the people. It's no surprise to us, but it's a complete war on the people where you make them malnourished. You can be very obese but still malnourished because your body is craving things and you can cram all this stuff down you, but it ends up in fat and you're still tired and lethargic and so on. However, that's they type of population you would want when you're bringing them through massive changes.

Jackie:  Yes it is, isn't it?

Alan:  Now I think it was Rumsfeld that had got that thing through for aspartame?

Jackie:  I don't know.

Alan:  Rumsfeld, remember, was director for the Searle Company, which is a subsidiary of Monsanto. The Searle Company's main specialties for the last 40 years has been in the area of psychiatric drugs, so that makes perfect sense to me that it's a form of warfare.

Jackie:  You know what I saw on the weather channel? You know how they advertise all these drugs? If you're afraid to go outside or socialize, they call it something-disorder. Social-something disorder. They call it SAD. They have a drug for everything of course and then they do the side effects real fast so that you can't even hardly hear them. Well anyway, they were advertising some drug, another drug, and then they started talking about he Merck patient assistance program and they gave an 800 number. In fact I wrote it down. I've got it out there on the kitchen counter and I called it but they just had a message on it because you have to call them between like 8 and 5, but if you need Merck medication and you can't afford it and you don’t have insurance you get a hold of them and they have a patient assistance program. They're pretty lenient because if you make less that $19,000 a year as an individual you can qualify and then they go on to say $36,000 for a family et cetera. But even if you are above those figures there will be special – they'll consider, in other words, so you get to get your Merck medications.

Alan:  Well, I'm sure there's a government backing program that will pay it back to them. They won't lose on it. I mean the government is tied at the hip with big business. In fact most of these – like Rumsfeld, he was the director for Searle Company, which is part of Monsanto.

Jackie:  Searle, where are they headquartered?

Alan:  They have branches in the states and in Canada.

Jackie:  They're here in the states and that's medicine and they're connected with – it's a subsidiary of Monsanto.

Alan:  They work with Monsanto because they are a part of Monsanto really. They worked with them to create the modified food; and as I keep saying, why would a company that specialized in psychiatric drugs, why on earth would they be involved in making your food? That should raise alarms everywhere.

Jackie:  Sure. It would make me want to start a garden.

Alan:  And know as you say where the seed comes from.

Jackie:  Oh, and by the way, I don't think I told our listeners this. I might have a lovely tomato here that a lady in New York, a Mennonite lady, gave Chuck about three years ago and this tomato it over-filled my hand. He got talking to her and come to find out she listened to Sweet Liberty and we had been doing a whole probably two weeks on the food and gardening and she gave him the tomato and said give this to Jackie, it is a Mennonite heritage tomato and tell her to save the seeds. Well, I did but you know the floods that we've had I was concerned because my tomatoes even though some grew but they all started getting the blossom end rot and stuff from all the rain. I sent Southern Exposure the seeds and they grew the tomatoes last year and they're offering the seeds to their customers and it is a beautiful, beautiful tomato. When you call that number, folks, to get the catalogue, if you look in the '95 catalogue you'll see it listed under tomatoes and the tomatoes are about a pound a piece and they're beautiful and you can use them for anything. You can do anything with them. You can make – they are supposed to be a pasta tomato. Of course, they're delicious eating but you can can them. You can make your pasta sauce with them. You can do everything with them. The website is SouthernExposure.com and almost everything in there – I don't think they have any hybrids. I know no GM but they might have hybrids but if they do, it's listed as a hybrid. Some of their seeds in there are 80, 90 over 100 years old and to me that is just beautiful.

Alan:  That's what people are going to have to do because it's only common sense in this day and age that you do it. You have no option.

Jackie:  Yes, you do have options, don't you?  Surely we all have options. I think options are called choices, yes?

Alan:  That's right because we know what's going on. There's enough information out really about all this stuff, even for the average person to get a hold of, so it's common sense what to do.

Jackie:  Especially people who have children, Alan. It would be different – children don't have the choices. Children are subject to the choices their parents make and to have children and know this and have an opportunity or even if it's tough to be able to grow healthy food. Learn how to can. Learn how to dry. Learn how to preserve. Probably freezing is our last choice in case you lose your electricity and stuff, but I freeze stuff just for the time being. I can also, but to not do that, to not want to give your children the very best you can give them, to me it makes no sense at all. It just makes no sense at all to just ignore it and just pretend, you know, shove it out of your mind.

Alan:  As you say, it's the children with everything look to their parents to advise them; and if they parents don't know themselves, then the children think that "oh, I'll just copy my parents." That's the natural way of things.

Jackie:  There are parents who know and I think you called it willful ignorance.Actually, it goes beyond willful ignorance because willful ignorance would be "oh don't tell me. I don't want to know," but once you know it, Alan, how could you not?

Alan:  It's a choice once again of being double-minded in that they still want to believe the people – the experts you see. The society of experts that guide us you see. They want to believe that they'd never do anything so nasty to the public, so therefore it must be okay even though the evidence is out there that it's not. They'd rather believe the experts you see. It's a choice. It makes them feel better because if they have to wake up and say wait a minute, these experts are all lying to us, here's the evidence, then they'd have to start questioning everything and they don't want to start that journey.

Jackie:  You know what though? I don't think people would be listening to this broadcast if they didn't want to know.

Alan:  There's that section of society who already know what to do.

Jackie:  Okay. So then those who are listening and do know, then it behooves them. Folks, it doesn't it? It behooves you to do something about it and if you've never made a garden there's nothing more fulfilling and satisfying than to plant a seed, watch it grow, tend it nuture it and harvest it and know that you're giving your family the best you can give them, even if it's only yourself. Even if you don't have children, for God's sake. Eat a carrot and get your hepatitis B vaccine – I've got articles here that sometimes when I bring my email up I walk away after reading some of this stuff. I walk away kind of bummed out for a while because there's so much that we don't even have the time to talk about. I don't think you have to talk about every tinny, tiny little detail to get the point across do you?At least we shouldn't have to.

Alan:  No. I mean plants have been used for thousands of years for creating drugs, and to modify food you're modifying a plant and they've already admitted they can if they wish make that plant produce anything they want it to produce. When they say they can do it, you can bet your bottom dollar they are doing it. That's all you really have to know.

Jackie:  And eating GM modified food, then that would mean that the body is being modified.

Alan:  Absolutely. Re-engineered.

Jackie:  Yes, and to remind our listeners, I did this only it's been a couple of years ago and for those of you who haven’t heard it, a report that I read on – this particular one was potatoes. Feeding them to rats. GM Potatoes. The rats stomach lining thickened. The arteries thickened. The immune system was depressed and when they took the rat off the potatoes and started giving them a healthy diet, they could not reverse the damage. They couldn't reverse the damage, so it's time. Alan, thank you for being with us tonight.

Alan:  It’s a pleasure.

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Jackie:  Ladies and gentlemen, good evening. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Monday and it is the 27th of June in the year 2005. This month is almost over with and I hope you had a nice weekend, folks, and I hope you're doing some gardening. I told you last week that I believed that Alan's books were on the way and I received mine and those of you who ordered Alan's book probably have received it, for those of you here in the states, and it's quite a work. Alan Watt is with us this evening and we're going to discuss some of the things that he's covered in the book. I'm only about halfway through it. I've been working out in the garden, 98 degrees today, folks, here and boy I want to tell you it's hot. When I walked out the door it felt like I was opening my oven is exactly what it felt like but anyway I find that I drift off to sleep a lot quicker at night when I'm out there. That heat can really zap your energy with the exercise and the thrill of getting it done and seeing the progress is wonderful. Anyway, I'm about halfway through the book and Alan, thanks for being here with us tonight and thank you for those books.

I received, I thought this was quite timely and maybe you won't want to address it but actually I think that throughout your book you have addressed the email that I received that came in today and its says, "amazing. It's amazing how the truth can be staring someone right in the face and they're completely unable to see it. Jesus, the way the truth and the life, stood in front of Pilate and the Pharisees and asked Jesus what is truth." Now you claim the first five books of the Bible were written by the Pharisees. Explain this.

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  This is to me, but we'll keep these questions in mind and maybe we'll address them. He says, "you know because you were there or because some document which is more trustworthy than the Bible declares it. Just asking. On your April 27th show with Alan Watt you mocked the Bible by claiming that the whole Exodus story was a farce, really? Then I guess the entire Bible is a farce since the same Moses, which Alan claimed is son of Ra, appeared to Jesus on the Mount of transfiguration and is referenced by Jesus more than once. Funny that Jesus would call Moses a prophet when he was the "son of Ra," so I guess that Jesus meets with fictional characters from an Old Testament which was contrived by the Pharisees. This pretty much makes the entire Bible untrustworthy. Do you actually believe what you say? It gets more and more bizarre every time I check in to hear what you have to say. It seems to me that you just make it up as you go, so what other parts of the Bible are false? Some, most, all, and you love to put "other sources" of information above the word of God, why? If the Bible is incorrect then why even talk about Jesus, especially since I heard you say on several occasions that what is written about him in the Bible is false as well. Well that's an exaggeration but with all of this said, we come full circle to my opening statement. So you, like Pilate, stand right in front of the truth and ask what is the truth. Why? Because you do not believe that the Bible is the infallible written word of God and you live by knowledge and not by faith and this, Jackie, will be your downfall."

Alan:  Well, they're entitled to their opinion for sure.

Jackie:  I know that but I thought that maybe, for example this Moses thing. She says Jesus references Moses. No, I don't know that we would say Jesus references Moses. Moses is written into the New Testament. Is there anything in here that you would be willing to discuss?

Alan:  I'll tell you, to be honest with you, people who are so brainwashed into a condition, and that's what their reality is for them, it's a condition of training you see. Now these people believe that this is the infallible word of God would be just as good if they were born in the Middle East and if they were Mohammedans or if they were born in India and they were Buddhists or Hindu, they would be faithful followers of the religion that was given to them. Of course they themselves can't see that because they cannot imagine being born anywhere else or to be anybody else than that whom they are, but they believe exactly as they've been programmed to believe.

Jackie:  The one thing that when people say the infallible word of God, then in their mind their concept of Creator is conflict, confusion, chaos--

Alan:  And superiority and elitism. You know, "we've been chosen and you haven't."

Jackie:  Right and I think about the contradictions and I know that the "law," if you would, truth, is within in our hearts. It's within our minds, even though we don't have it all recalled to our consciousness but isn't that what our purpose being here is, Alan?

Alan:  Yes and also people believe that they've been created in a long line of lineages of creations all stemming from the same source. They'd have to ask why do we have the ability to think for ourselves. Why do we have that ability and rather than being good little programmed readers of something that was supposedly written many thousands of years ago, supposedly, but really the world hadn't really heard of the actual teachings of this religion until Constantine came along and had his Christian counsel and most of his advisers were supposedly Jewish bishops from various areas of the Roman world. Basically they confabulated a whole history to justify this religion, which they were giving to the people solely to control the people. Politicians are there to control people. That's their job.

Jackie:  One of the things so far that you have done with your explanation about the actual photocopies of the old books where it's just -- even Freemasonry when they said Freemasonry -- was it Freemasonry began in Babylon? Is that what it said?

Alan:  Yes, basically.

Jackie:  And that all of the stories that are in the "infallible" word of God bible were part of the religion from ancient times.

Alan:  Oh, absolutely, just recycled over and over and you'll find the same characters doing the same things in the Hindu religion which preexisted all of that. Much, much older and they simply translated the same terms for their names into another language and so you have characters like Moses. Moses is an Egyptian word. It simply means "child."

Jackie:  Or son of, if that means child?

Alan:  Yes and Ramoses is child or son of Ra, so you just skip the Ra and you're left with the child, you see – kind of like Rothschild.

Jackie:  There was Ramses or Ramoses, Tutmoses and then we have Moses.

Alan:  Yes, and even then people get thrown off by I think deliberate misspellings of things because Tutmose is "child of Thoth" so it should really be T-H-O-T-H, you see, so the official historians give us another spelling of it which throws people off, but it's the spoken word when you’re dealing with languages and the origins of words. It's the spoken word which is important.

Jackie:  Yes, you've covered that in the book also where you called it hearing – instead of spelling it's the hearing. You hear the sameness of certain words and see that's where I've noticed that I've gotten caught up is by the spelling not the hearing of it.

Alan:  Of course we live in such an intense controlled situation called reality, where even our language has been so tampered with or even created from the beginning that "spelling" even in the dictionary is next to "spell" – to cast a spell – and that isn't a mistake. Spelling itself casts a spell over the reader and if you're not sounding the words in your mind you'll actually miss the other meanings of them.

Jackie:  A lot of our listeners have caught this a lot quicker than I have because a lot of times when we do a broadcast together then I'll get emails from people and they see something and say look at this and they actually wind up doing what you do, is see the word within the word, the actual word, which I think that's wonderful that people – the title of this is Cutting Through, No. 3 and as I said when I looked at it, I thought cutting through the BS is what it is, Alan.

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Are there any particular areas of the book that you would like to go into tonight?

Alan:  Well, it's to show people really how behind all the religions there's another religion contained within them all and that one religion is the esoteric within them all. In other words, there's only one esoteric religion, and yet, whether you're Hindu or Mohammedan or Christian or whatever, you'll find with the "mythos" as they called it, the founding of the religions and the stories told, there's actually the same story being told over and over and over. Of course that's what all high Freemasonry has always been taught even before it was called Freemasonry, you know Rosicrucianism and so on, and it does go back not only to Babylon but it was there at the beginning with Sumer. The same stories are told of their deities, which are supposedly all gods, and in those days remember a person who was superior and one of the nobility was called a god. These were very human-like gods and so the same stories were told about their foundings and how they came to be all these different gods and it's the same stories told over and over.

Jackie:  In "Mystery Babylon Religion" which quotes heavily of course from the two Babylon's, even to the Catholic saints they had the same individuals, the same gods or goddesses, sometimes even the same names.

Alan:  In fact, if you look at the Greek version of Hermes, he was also a patron of shepherds and the Greek version of Hermes has a statue of him with a lamb over his shoulder and of course that was the same symbology that was brought into Christianity and you'll see the same statues there. Sometimes it's Jesus with the lamb over his shoulders and sometimes even St. Christopher even has that at one point, so they use the same symbols, same statues actually.

Jackie:  The symbol of Mary the mother of Jesus, they use the same symbol for her as they do Isis and they call her "the Queen of Heaven" and they actually show her, they depict her in some of them standing on like a crescent moon with the stars around her and that's the same way that Isis--

Alan:  And the moon under her feet. That's the traditional mother of all creation. They mean all the world of matter. That's what it means and of course in Luxor there are two main pillars there. One for Osiris and one for Isis and the statement inscribed in it for Isis is that "I am Isis, Queen of all, Queen of heaven, Queen of earth. Without me nothing was made." In other words, she is matter and it's from that very word matter that you get, it comes from mother.

Jackie:  What about father?

Alan:  The father again is varied because even in freemasonry since it is a male-dominated thing you'll find different terms for different types of "father" you might say.

Jackie:  Can you give an example?

Alan:  It's a degreed system and of course they gave them titles to do with power over others and some of them very ridiculous long titles, which I thought you used to only find them in the Middle East but you still find them filtering into even the court system of the West where you have "the right honorable judge" and so on. These were all titles to a god or a deity and even the worshipful master of a Masonic lodge is a worshipful master. He deserves your worship. That's what it means. They have a hierarchy of meanings for father and brother. That's why all Masons are also brothers but they also have a father.

Jackie:  I heard Joseph Biden after they got the crime bill passed. They had this big old celebration and it was on C-Span and they had the guy from Ohio. He was an old guy. I forget his name. Joseph Biden and Janet Reno up there and when Clinton came in, Joseph Biden almost genuflected and called him "your holiness."

Alan:  Oh really? Well, I'm not surprised because if you're worshipful then you're supposed to deserve worship, literally worship.

Jackie:  And the ziggurat. You've got the photocopies of the ziggurat in here and where the first step was 33 degrees, but what fascinated me was seeing Lenin's tomb and seeing that it was a takeoff on the ziggurat and the ziggurat was a religious type of a thing. It's like a pyramid, only it's stepped.

Alan:  That's right. They show the world the religion they really belong to, while the same people stir up the exoteric religions against each other. It's quite clever, while the inner players all belong to an esoteric religion, which is one worldwide, but their symbols are always thrown in your face and they love to mock the victim, which is really the population. However, they show us upfront what they belong to and everyone knows of course – in fact, Lenin's tomb was recently redecorated inside and they've got his body or his mummy back on display. There's another thing too. Why would they mummify his body?

Jackie:  No lie.

Alan:  It's in a crystal case and you'd swear that he just died five minutes ago and that's back on display and everyone knows of course that Lenin was a Jew and that's behind the head now. They have a placard up there giving his history for the first time.

Jackie:  Do the people in Russia, maybe you don't know this, as a whole do they revere Lenin or do they know what a monster he was?

Alan:  There's a lot of the population do revere him because the propaganda was so intense including their schooling right from your first day at school. You'd be taught to revere this man literally as the next thing to any god.

Jackie:  So it would be only the people who were there when Lenin was there that knew what a monster he was and they're gone today.

Alan:  They're gone. Although, even some of his compadres there, his henchmen like Trotsky, did write books at that period and went through their system or their strategy of terror, because when you take over a system you want compliance and immediate compliance to maintain your hold on the system and they have a reign of terror. They always have a reign of terror and so you saw that – actually they had that too in the British Revolution. People forget that England was the first one to have a revolution.

Jackie:  And that was when, Alan?

Alan:  They had that actually before Cromwell but he re-revolutionized it again and you'll find the same thing with the American Revolution, then the French Revolution. The French really went to town and then after that of course you had the Russian Revolution with its reign of terror, which was based more on the French model right down to population control. That was part of the French Revolution. They had maps made out before the revolution that they had to reduce the populations of the rural areas and they rounded up thousands and thousands from regions. They had the map cut up into regions and they would take the so-called excess population, peasants mainly, and put them on river barges; the ones at the coast line were put onto old ships and they fired cannon into them and sunk them because they wanted the population down. This wasn't just a haphazard spontaneous revolution.

Jackie:  So they couldn't revolt?

Alan:  Partly that, but they also had the whole agenda that we see portrayed through the League of Nations and then the United Nations with its population reduction, population management, right down to how many do we actually need for a specific task.

Jackie:  They call it "Family Planning," Alan.

Alan:  That's right and now it's societal planning.

Jackie:  You have to say it nice.

Alan:  This stuff goes right back for hundreds of years. It's part of the Mystery Religion you might call it.

Jackie:  I would like to say this to our listeners. It was told to a group of doctors I think it was back in '65 or '68 in Pittsburgh by Dr. Richard Day and you know it was interesting. Dr. Dunegan who started taking the notes and made the tape he said that Dr. Day mentioned several times that – in other words, he realized that his handlers would not be happy that he was telling all these doctors this, but there had to have been some type of hypnotic something going on. Maybe it was because they were all full from a real good dinner and had a few probably cocktails or wine, whatever, but he told them you cannot take notes and you cannot tape this and most of you aren't even going to remember most of what I'm saying tonight, but he says I wouldn't have been able to tell you this a couple of years ago but now everything is in its place and we intend to go into the 21st century with a running start and nothing can stop us now and he talks about all of this. It's all laid out and he even told how they would do it and when you read that you cannot deny it because it's happening today. Even minute little details about the clothing and how they were going to take little girls and they were going to take the nurturing inherent mothering qualities from them by getting rid of the baby dolls and then came the Barbie dolls right after that.

Alan:  They gave the dolls to the boys.

Jackie:  Yes, they did give the dolls to the boys, didn't they? All these things, Alan, that you've talked about that we've talked about, it was laid out there and he said it very plainly and what I found interesting Dr. Day was elderly but it was very soon after he admitted all this to this group of doctors that he died and they probably got pretty ticked off. Sort of like what's his name?

Alan:  Carroll Quigley.

Jackie:  Yes, Carroll Quigley. He told that he thought it was a wonderful idea and his only problem with it was that they wanted to keep it secret and he thought people should know because it was such a wonderful plan. What a nitwit. What a nitwit this man was.

Alan:  The thing is, when you look back at everything you realize that every era has been just as controlled, every era. You see, we've never had what we think of as freedom since as I say from at least the days of Sumer and now through archaeological digs they're digging up previous civilizations like the Harappan culture which also was intensely – I mean you're talking about underground heating, under-floor heating, piped water in the rooms--

Jackie:  Under-floor heating.

Alan:  Yes and piped water into rooms and you were talking 6,000 or more, 7,000 BC.

Jackie:  Who were the Harappans?

Alan:  Well, that's just it. The Sumerian culture was basically built on top of the previous civilizations that had existed there and the one prior to Sumer they're giving the name of Harappan. They like to give it a name so they can identify or at least know who they're talking about.

Jackie:  Okay. So that was before Sumer?

Alan:  Yes and the Harappan cities that they're digging up extended all the way from Egypt to China, so they had a tremendous trade market. They had a high standard of living but it boils back to the same thing. It's trade and a monetary form so that they could literally get the people using their money. Whether you weight it or count it doesn't matter. It's getting the public to give up their rights for things they want and once you do that and they introduce their money they've got you. I knew that too because it's evident when you study Sumer that they were so perfect in their managerial system of society.

Jackie:  You know what? I'm glad you brought that up and I want if you will because we have to take our break right now. When we come back, because you were reading to me once and I know that it's in your head so you don't have to read it, but the system that you were reading from, whatever it was, is exactly the system that we're living under today.

Alan:  Exactly.

Jackie:  Including the taxes and just everything. All right, we're back folks and since we're talking about Alan's third book here let's give Alan's address, if you still have your pen in your hand. I hope you do. If you want the book that we're discussing, first of all Alan recommends very emphatically that if you don't have numbers 1 and 2 you should begin there because this is the third one that he's done and really what it does is it just follows along from one to the other to the other. Do you call all of them "Cutting Through," Alan?

Alan:  I did initially then I changed I think the second one, but they're all "Cutting Through"--

Jackie:  They are cutting through the BS. Okay. [See www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information.]

Alan, before we pick up the Sumer thing there's a couple of things I wanted to mention. Joe Bannister, I think most of our listeners or a lot of our listeners are probably aware of it. Joe Bannister is a former IRS agent. In fact this has been in the newspapers you know, the press and the news, the mainstream has actually picked this story up. Joe Bannister who was a former IRS agent and is now part of the "We the People" organization, that would be Bob Schultz from New York, he was indicted and charged with giving I think disinformation to his clients because he left the IRS and became a CPA and Joe Bannister actually won his trial. He was acquitted of all charges. Al Thompson and we had Al on with us one night, a business owner. He was one of Joe Bannister's clients and they each had a trial. They were both – I don't know if this was together, if they were charged together and the trials together or separately, but lets just put it this way.

Joe Bannister got off and his client from what I've read I'm sure they'll be appealing it is going to prison and I also read if I'm not mistaken, I shouldn't maybe say it because I can't take it to the bank but there was another client of Joe Bannister's who's already in prison and you know this doesn't surprise me. Just because of his association with this Bob Schultz because Bob Schultz is a Rockefeller boy and there's an article about Bob Schultz and it was actually written by Sandy Stika, a lawyer, but this woman had the goods on Bob Schultz and I had the goods on him myself from a previous interaction with him in 1993. I knew he was a phony but I didn't know he was a Rockefeller boy and I'm not surprised. When I found out that he was going to court, I thought ha, maybe I was wrong about Joe Bannister. Maybe he's just been taken in by this crew but to get off on these charges we've got Dixon Cannon from Texas sitting in prison. There are other business owners sitting in prison and Bannister gets off and folks I wanted you to know that. I want you to not be taken in by this because I suspect that this was a setup. The whole thing was planned out.

Alan:  Generally, most of these things are sting operations where they put their man out there, people fall for it then they arrest them.

Jackie:  And Bannister gets off and everybody on the internet is just celebrating to high heaven.

Alan:  "They give us our heroes" as Albert Pike said.

Jackie:  Alan, I'm going to tell you something. Sometimes the internet just makes me crazy because you get these articles and people are just ecstatic that he won this thing but they're not getting it. They don't put two and two together and see that he got off but his client didn't.

Alan:  Well, that's what happens when you make a hero. He already was a hero for coming out and now he's more of a hero for getting off with the charges. You can be a bigger hero now and con more people.

Jackie:  That's why I wanted to bring this up before I forgot it. Now can we go to Sumer? And you know the gentlemen who wrote me the letter? I don't know, he probably wouldn't want to have a conversation with you because he just wants to say how crazy I am and how crazy you are. I'd like to say this one more thing though. If he's listening tonight, if you read about the account that was written by Immanuel Velikovsky on the conflagration that occurred about the time the so-called exodus out of Egypt was supposed to have occurred you will see that. His book is titled, "Worlds in Collision" and the other one is called "Earth in Upheaval", it's a sequel, and those books unless he made up all of that, all of the ancient manuscripts that he quoted from, and I don't believe he did, and he's a Jew and he even quoted the Rabbis saying that at that time when the sun – it was dark for three days. According to his report on the other side of the earth, the sun stood still in the sky for three days but the Rabbis said that 49 out of 50 of the quote "chosen people" left Egypt. They were leaving because they were trying to find some sun. They were trying to find some food and it wasn't just they who left and so therefore that to me when you look at that and you see that they wrote that story of exodus, of course always around the chosen, well then it's our choice if we're going to --

Alan:  It's a choice. See, Velikovsky too, we've got to remember, was a Rabbinical Rabbi and the son of a Rabbinical Rabbi.

Jackie:  Well, he must have ticked them off no end.

Alan:  No. He was sent out from Communist Russia to promulgate this really.

Jackie:  But why?

Alan:  Because at that time they could not find any evidence of an ancient Israel people so his job was to try and validate the fact that there had been an ancient Israel people.

Jackie:  I see. So he wrote it into the histories.

Alan:  When you look at all of it – when they discovered the Tel el Amarna city, which was the record-keeping capital basically of Egypt when Akhenaton was in power, they found literally millions of correspondences all in baked tablets from all their satrapies or little princedoms across the entire Middle East back and forth from the leaders or the princes or whoever was put in charge of these conquered peoples. Yet nobody's history, whether it's ancient Persian or Egypt or whatever, nowhere did they mention a people called Israeli or a land called Israel.

Jackie:  It's been supposed or theorized maybe that it was the Hyksos that were there during that time that it was supposedly the chosen.

Alan:  What we do know is that from the Greek records and Tel el Amarna records that one of the peoples was called Hyksos, which today means again "shepherd kings," but it really was cattle which they drove in front of them, these wandering tribes. They were joined by another huge group from they think somewhere in the Aegean and of course this is where all the stories of Atlantis come from, that these people evacuated their land during tremendous volcanic upheavals when the land sunk beneath the water.

Jackie:  Would that have been around the time of that whole conflagration?

Alan:  Yes. In fact, the Egyptians had records of incredible tidal waves which had traveled across the Mediterranean and caused tremendous damage to neighboring shorelines and so on. Crete was flooded at the time when this huge island went down and the Peoples of the Sea came in, very well organized people, very well military equipped and they joined with the Hyksos and invaded Egypt and they took it over and ran it for about 150 years or so. They were the cruelest barbaric people according to the Egyptians that they'd ever known. They had no respect for any religion. They used terror again to subjugate the populace. They would just commandeer hundreds of people for a public spectacle and chop them to pieces and that was to keep everybody else in line.

Jackie:  That's the entertainment of the day.

Alan:  It has never changed. The same thing happened in the Russian Revolution where Lenin ordered his men according to Trotsky to go out into all the rural areas and just round up a couple of dozen in every little village, hang them from the trees and let their bodies rot and that will terrify the rest of them to comply. That's how power is maintained. It's an ancient technique and it's a science in fact which has never been lost. It's actually taught in certain places and of course we're seeing the same thing now as they go into a global civilization – I hate to use the world civilization. That's their term for their system, but we're going to the global structure and to maintain powers as governments they must have a terror within if they can't have a terror abroad.

Jackie:  Do you know the Guantanamo – no, the place where they have found that they have been torturing people – what's the name of this place?

Alan:  That's right. That's the one that's in Cuba, Guantanamo Bay.

Jackie:  Do you know that one of the – I don't which one it was of the three broadcast companies, but they actually had a poll on their internet site asking people if they agree that torture should be used for these "suspected terrorists" in order to get the truth out of them. Now how could any person believe that torture is going to get the truth because they'll admit to anything to please quite torturing me. Whatever they want them to admit to they'll admit to it.

Alan:  It's understood by the ones who run things.

Jackie:  According to this poll there were actually people who said yes.

Alan:  Of course there will be. Torture, they know themselves that they have far more sophisticated methods of extracting truth from people and painless methods too. The whole thing about torture is to terrify the public.

Jackie:  They can just give them a shot, can't they?

Alan:  They can give them a shot. They have equipment today I am sure that--

Jackie:  Isn't sodium pentothal supposed to be the – that’s old.

Alan:  It doesn’t really. It’s called abreaction therapy and you can certainly take a person back into certain states with a form of hypnosis and a good life history of the individual but it doesn't necessarily guarantee truth.

Jackie:  I'll bet they have a truth serum today.

Alan:  See, everything that was known in the Spanish Inquisition and the European Inquisition of the Catholic Church about torture, everything that was known then is known today that, yes, people will say anything in order to have that pain relief.

Jackie:  It was like the Nuremberg trials. They tortured them and when they hung them they had a shorter rope so the people would take a long time to die. It was a terrible, terrible thing that happened during those Nuremberg trials. Okay, we've got about 10 minutes left here. Can we do Sumer?

Alan:  Yes, getting back to Sumer, there's a book, which I don't have actually, it was a library book, but it was called, "Life Begins at Sumer" and it's an easy read. I can't remember the author's name but he was quoting from tablets that were unearthed there written by scribes and every priestcraft was a specialist lawyer, so you had a priesthood that dealt solely with real estate and with the writing up of the dividing up of property and so on. You had a priesthood for every function at the top of every function.

Jackie:  In Sumer? That would be the lawyers today.

Alan:  This one young priest wrote and said "I look from the east. I look to the west. He says I cannot see the sky for government buildings."

Jackie:  In Sumer.

Alan:  5,000 BC. He said they tax everything. He said they tax the fish we bring in. They tax the goods we bring in. They tax us for living. He said when we bury our relatives they come to the graveside and of course they left offerings of food and that on the grave. He said they come and take the food for death taxes and I thought well nothing's changed.

Jackie:  Nothings changed. "Life Begins at Sumer?" I'm going to check and see if that's available.

Alan:  It's an easy read and it's a good book and they even show you the students who were being trained. They were picking young boys and training them from the age of five to be scribes and they have unearthed some of the schools and there are thousands of practice clay tablets they found where they were doing advanced trigonometry and geometry just as well as we do it today.

Jackie:  I have a newspaper article or maybe it's from the government itself. I think it is the U.S. government. They have special schools for gifted children and they bring them to Washington, D.C. and you can see that what they're doing is they’re grooming them and probably intensive brainwashing, intensive brainwashing.

There's something in the book here I must ask you about because remember when you talked about for example even the royal Khazars, red heads, and they've unearthed and you said that the Egyptian pharaohs they wore those big headdresses and stuff.

Alan:  They wore wigs.

Jackie:  Because to cover up their hair and in here, this would be on page 31, you've to this thing it's called – you'd have to pronounce it for me. Tenochtitlan. Is that it? It's a human sacrifice. It's a drawing, a depiction.

"A priest slashes open a captive's chest to tear out his living heart and they actually have drawn this. Every night, the Aztec god Huitzilopochtli was believed to do battle against the power of darkness. To give him strength, and to ensure that the sun would be reborn every morning, the priests offered mankind's most precious gift--human hearts and blood. This scene is from the Codex Magliabechiano (16th century AD).  Then you had written below it:

"Many people know of the bloody sacrifices to the Aztecs and their predecessors. It cannot be stressed enough that sun-priests had a long history of similar cultural mind control techniques across the ancient world. Much has been over thousands of years to 'clean' the historical records. We know the Egyptians used to sacrifice red-haired captives to the sun on certain high holy days."

Okay, well that confused me because it seemed that the red-headed ones were put up in those high positions.

Alan:  Yes, but don't forget too that even the Phoenician nobility used to sacrifice their own first-born, so this would probably be some of the special first-born and that's the highest sacrifice you could give.

Jackie:  Of course, like GW. I believe he was sacrificed when he was born. I mean the guy he's so pathetically stupid that you could almost feel compassion for him and that you know that he was born and bred to be where he is today to be the idiot puppet of the U.S. government.

Alan:  They did sacrifice the red-haired men in Egypt and later of course they changed it to the red heifer. The red heifer was adopted by Judaism for a sacrifice, a perfect red heifer.

Jackie:  It's a holy thing. Oh, do you know what? A friend of mine sent me a photograph, her son is a dairy farmer and she sent me a photograph of a red heifer that was born to one of his cows; and I meant to and I didn't write back to her and say what is the relevance of this. Is that what she is getting at? That it's something holy?

Alan:  Yes. In fact, they are apparently breeding stock to try to get back to the perfect red heifer so they could recommence the sacrifices on the so-called holy mount.

Jackie:  Oh my God. Then, so when somebody gets a red heifer, they celebrate that this is a wonder thing?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Oh, Alan.

Alan:  The whole thing is barbaric, but again, as I say, it's a form of brainwashing, especially children who have to watch that, because it also hardens them and steels them to suffering for even for animals.

Jackie:  They've done that with the movies and I've seen that young people can watch the most grotesque. I remember one time a movie was on and I happened to walk in the room and some guy was laying in a hospital and he was all bandaged up except one eye and they opened that eye and I saw that they were going to shove an ice pick in it and I just cringed and walked away but they were actually sitting watching it. It was when I was visiting in St. Louis and that's the kind of stuff our children watch, so Alan, they've already been--

Alan:  Desensitized.

Jackie:  Oh absolutely, absolutely.

Alan:  It's all planned that way because this sort of period we're going through has been done so many times in the past that they know exactly what type of generation they need to implement these kind of things, so they create that generation. That's why they could write into Revelations and so on that children would be against parents and parents against children and all that, man against wife.

Jackie:  I'm not to the back of the book but that's where you're addressing Revelations. Okay, would you like to come on with us again tomorrow night?

Alan:  Sure.

Jackie:  And maybe I'll be there by then and if I'm not you can just – we can talk about it but Revelations is so mightily important to people because it's like oh look at this. It's written in the book.

Alan:  By God.

Jackie:  And by God, yes, and it's going to happen, it's God's plan, and then we say oh God is love.

Alan:  Just a bit hard to figure out sometimes.

Jackie:  Well it is. It's quite insane. We're out of our hour. Thanks for being with us tonight, Alan.

Alan:  It's been a pleasure.

Jackie:  Then we'll see you tomorrow night?

Alan:  Yes.

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Jackie:  Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight here on Sweet Liberty. It is Tuesday and it is the 28th of June in the year 2005 and Alan Watt is back with us again tonight and I was doing last minute preparations. Alan, are you there with us?

Alan:  I am.

Jackie:  Folks, we're going to be talking about Alan's book, "Cutting Through" tonight. We're going to be talking about "Cutting Through" and we're going to zero in on Revelations and so Alan would you give them your address, your contact information.

Alan:  Sure.

Jackie:  Okay, thank you.

Alan:  There's actually three books, 1, 2 and 3, and the last one goes into some of the history of priesthoods and the bankers because they do go hand-in-hand all down through the thousands of years that we know of. I try and give you the documentation – the scanty documentation that is available and I have found enough to put in a book and show you this correlation between religion and money. If anyone wants 1, 2 or 3, "Cutting Through," [see www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information.]. You will enjoy this because I don't think the correlations have been put so precisely before.

All knowledge as I say is scattered deliberately, so I think, because I don't see why the authorized historians who have access to archives, as opposed to public libraries, why wouldn't they give us this correlation between money, the system of money, the money which creates standing armies which then go and conquer other countries to force the same money system on them with the debt and all the rest of it and the priesthoods, who basically their purpose is to control the minds of the people so that they'll go along with it. It's still going on today as we force Moslem countries to accept this term called "democracy", a term, by the way, which changes definition every 25 years because the democracy of today is different from that 50 years ago and it's different from the one they had in Britain in the 1800's. At that time only the nobility could vote. People without property had no say in anything.

Jackie:  And that was the truth even in the young America.

Alan:  That's right. It was only landowners and even then they specified a certain acreage before you could vote.

Jackie:  Yes, exactly under the Constitution. You had to be a landowner.

Alan:  That wonderful document written by lawyers that you could drive buses through. Everything is a scam and of course even prior to the revolution there were international meetings in Europe where the bankers and the top front men for the bankers got together and they needed a shining knight in armor that would lead the world into their system believing it was for the people. They couldn't use England because London had pillaged half the world and stole and robbed and so on, and they couldn’t use France because they did the same thing. Therefore they decided to create a brand new one and people fell for it of course. There's more mythology involved in the founding than reality, but that was their Novus Ordo Seclorum, their New World Order. That's the motto and the U.S. is actually doing what it was created to do, which was to bring this in.

Jackie:  Well yes and think about it. They referred to America as the New World, and I thought about that.

Alan:  Every symbol of the U.S. federal government including the Great Seal, both sides, is ancient, ancient Egyptian. Even prior to Egyptian the same symbols were used in Sumer so this is an ancient brotherhood stretching back many, many thousands of years using their symbols openly in front of the people who generally never inquire as to what they actually mean. It's the oddest thing even to see Washington's Monument built like an Egyptian obelisk dedicated to a god. That's why they raised the obelisk. A human being had achieved godhood. That's what apotheosis means and here they erect one in Washington and the average American doesn't ask the question, "why would they put an Egyptian obelisk for Washington in this so-called, so-called Christian country?"  The signs are right in front of us.

Jackie:  I had a call from a very nice man today and he said how much he enjoyed our broadcast but he said I just don't understand why the program before yours and after yours always comes in so good. I hear this from so many people, Alan, that he has to listen so closely to be able to hear it, but he said that he knew that the Bible was true and we talked and I mentioned the King James Version and that Francis Bacon was one of the editors. Who was Francis Bacon? He certainly was an insider but people get the idea and I don't know why because I've said it a jillion times. I know that there's truth in that book. They have to give us truth but there's so much – it's all mingled up with the lies and the contradictions and that is the one thing that it doesn't cease to confuse me I guess is that people can believe that the infallible word of God is contradictory; and it is contradictory. There are so many contradictions.

Alan:  That is the technique of mind control; it's to give the person the ability to hold two opposing opinions on the same subject in their head at the same time.

Jackie:  And both of them being true?

Alan:  That's right. They'll fight to the death to defend either contradiction.

Jackie:  As I told you just before we went on the air, I really wanted to read the book last night and get into where you were talking about Revelations and after about five minutes I crashed, working out in that hot sun and the good exercise, it really helps you sleep but you said you haven't read it yourself.

Alan:  I read it; I mean I wrote it and I never recheck anything once I've written it so there'll be a few typo errors. I didn't use a computer and I watched my fingers rather than what I was writing, so excuse any typo errors that you come across.

Jackie:  You want me to make a note of it if I find them as I'm reading?

Alan:  Sure. I can't be bothered.

Jackie:  Well, Revelations, can you give us some of what you wrote? You said you don't have a copy there?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Now Alan, how are you going to make copies for your new people?

Alan:  I've got a master copy.

Jackie:  Oh, but you don't want to mess with the master copy?

Alan:  You get one wrinkle on that and you can't get it through the machine.

Jackie:  Maybe we'll have to do it another time though because I haven't read it so there aren't places that I can refer to. Some of the symbology that you gave in the book can you recall with Revelations?

Alan:  It's all astral theology, the ancient, ancient priesthoods and we don't know how far back they stretch but we know it's way before Sumer, 5,000 BC they already had all of the major planets charted. They had the stars, the constellations and so on named, and many of the stars charted. They knew when certain stars would rise and what time in fact. It was so exact they knew what time it would rise for the first time in a set period and they basically wrote their plan into the constellations rising and setting, which constellations of the zodiac follow which ones, and they used that terminology even to do with – it's like animals chasing each other in a constant circle. They wrote elaborate stories for each part of the story for the zodiac and of course when people are trained to believe these are actual people that lived on earth it's very difficult to get that out so that they can see what it really is, especially if they've been trained from a very, very young age to believe that these are very real people.

In the book I use an old chart, an astrology chart in fact. That's how they couched that back in the 1500's. They were studying astronomy but they used astrology as an exoteric cover and in that particular zodiac you'll even see – have you got it in front of you?

Jackie:  Yes, I've got the book. Where would I go?

Alan:  Go to that zodiacal chart that's there. If you flick through it, the whole page is the zodiac. It's all symbols and animals.

Jackie:  Oh yes, I've already gone by that. It's up towards the front more?

Alan:  I think so. Every religion that's ever been and the stories concerning the individuals--

Jackie:  Oh yes, this is this whole page?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And then you've got the names, Baal, Saudi, God all Mighty. Now who are all these people?

Alan:  These are all the same people. It's all titles to the sun. It's titles to the sun at different periods of the year.

Jackie:  Baal means lord?

Alan:  Lord and it can also mean sun because it all revolves around the sun. The sun being born in the morning, prior to that, you get the coming of the sun. The color is purple. That's before dawn and like the song goes, "in the deep purple dawn." That's the royal color. That's why royalty is then set above the people. This is a system. The zodiac is a system of the system that we live in.

Jackie:  Are you saying system?

Alan:  Yes, system. Before that you get the royalty, the dawn. The Greeks called it Aurora and Aurora was the goddess of the dawn. She was dressed in purple as well and purple is the royal color for British royalty and royalty all over the world because they come in a sense before the system. They are pre-existent. Their system is pre-existent before the sun rises. That's what it means and then of course as the sun goes through its phases during the day they give it a different title. He's a young lion in the morning and of course he's a full-grown lion at midday and that's really one of the titles of Ra, Almighty Ra, such power and fire, so he's a full-grown adult male basically generally pictured as a lion. Then of course towards sundown he's an older lion who sheds his blood for the world, which is of course the sunset, the sky turns red, so every day the god of the world gives his life for the world. It's that simple.

Jackie:  And who is the god of the world?

Alan:  Well, you can take your pick. I mean there's many names for the same thing in different cultures and Lucifer of course is the light bringer and many of the esoteric sects that coexist inside the Christian sects and always have done in their own private rituals will have Lucifer as their god, meaning the light-bearer. Whereas the average Christian who's taken everything at face value, they're in the dark. They're still in the dark. They haven't seen the light, you see. That's what that means, so as we're being good little Christians we're also being mocked by the people who run Christianity and that's why all of the Pied Piper leaders you get, the TV evangelists, the superstars you might say, multimillionaires, have their own private meetings with Freemasonry. Billy Graham is a 33rd degree Mason and I'm sure all the rest of them are too and they have their own private esoteric meaning for everything.

Jackie:  I forgot to tell you I got a response. Remember that article about the Sanhedrin being reestablished, which you said you don't think it's ever not been and that would probably be so, but they're bringing it out in the open now. One of the courts that they're going to be establishing, the first one in Israel, are the Noahide courts and that one will be established in the U.S. and remember I sent that note to Billy Graham and asked he or his colleagues if there's been any opposition to this. Well, I got mail back from somebody who said Billy asked me to respond to you and he is very ill. He's evidentially on is way out but he just didn't have time to answer me personally and he hasn't done any research on it so there's nothing he had to say about it.

Alan:  No, which is ridiculous because these guys have known about these laws for years and Billy's been over to Israel who knows how many times and his job of course is to bring Christianity together with this religion based in Israel which will be the world court as well.

Jackie:  The world court?

Alan:  Yes. All these boys they lie because that's their job.

Jackie:  Well you know Alan from doing chapter 16 and 17 of the book and rereading the I think it's "The Cause of World Unrest" and all of the rituals that this guy brought out actually from Albert Pike's book, no wonder they're all so in love with Israel. I mean all of these – whatever, the 30th degree, the Knight Kadosh or whatever and their – well, even before then into their initiations, what are you building? We’re building temples, physical temples and temples in men's minds. Which way do you travel? From Babylon to Israel; and they asked them in one of them: Are you ready to be governors of Israel? Now that of course has got to be some kind of code. What the heck does that mean, Alan, are you ready to be governors of Israel?

Alan:  Israel again is Isis Ra-El. It's the bisexual deity in the male/female hermaphroditic god and of course behind all religions it's the same deity because their creator as they say is both male and female, meaning perfection, and of course if you go into that of India, they're far more explicit in connecting the two together. That's why Shiva and so on have attributes of both male and female and they show it openly in their statues and so on. There's a religion behind the exoteric religion. It's always been there and I think it was even Clements that said that when the mass is gone – and that's what he means by that. That's why you have a mass for the people. They're the masses. When the mass is gone, he said, we have our own secret meeting or secret rituals which the profane cannot see; so this has always been here from its very inception. As I say, too, Constantine himself just a week prior to the counsel that he supposedly was responsible for he deified himself as a god in the cult of Mithra. He built a temple so that the people – and this is traditional in the Roman theology – he built a temple so that people could go and worship him, a statue of him, even while he was still alive. He was worshipped as a god and that was traditional in ancient Greece and in Rome, so the secret religion of course is that they all attain godhood.

Jackie:  Did the people differentiate between "gods" and creator?

Alan:  Well, not really. In the Christian religion, even though the Old Testament is so wishy-washy because you have Elohim in the beginning and then you have this latecomer called Jehovah. I could also pronounce all the crazy other names or terms they use for it.

Jackie:  Yawvey and Yahaweh.

Alan:  Oh yes.

Jackie:  Did you hear a click on your phone?

Alan:  I did, yes.

Jackie:  I want you to know that your voice – the volume is up. It's almost like you're being suppressed or something.

Alan:  It's very possible because a lot of technology out there is so advanced that doing that is quite simple. Yes, you do have this Elohim and of course the secret behind the Elohim which is everybody is confused about and many guys have written books and made lots of money on them, but the real secret is the Elohim is 'we,' meaning the deity who's both male and female. That's what it really refers to.

Jackie:  Is that why it says, "let us make man in our image?"

Alan:  That's right and therefore Adam had the attributes of the deity. He was both male and female and then the female part was separated from him. That's the symbology.

Jackie:  Did they do that through surgery do you think or I mean was the whole thing--

Alan:  No, no. It's all esoteric nonsense.

Jackie:  Okay, but I mean is there any truth behind that back then that man was both male and female and that the story about Adam as being used as a representation of that?

Alan:  No, there's none at all. They definitely had homosexual sects who were priests themselves. I mean that's fairly traditional all down through thousands of years. You would have – I mean what young guy is going to cut off his manhood literally and join the cult of Isis? Which young guy is going to do that voluntarily and then go and spend the rest of his days with men? You always had a homosexual element who dressed as women and that's why even today the robes are still the female robes you know, so when a priest stands there he's representing male and female in one. In other words, he's reflecting their secret deity.

Jackie:  They probably don't wear anything under their robes either.

Alan:  I don't know. I don’t know but this is the same in every religion.

Jackie:  You mentioned one time the dog priests. Those were the priests that were the ones that were used by the priests?

Alan:  Yes and they had temple prostitutes and they had them in Israel too because they've uncovered some parts of the old temple where they had an entrance which went into the house of prostitutes, the female ones, and then there's a little stela on the wall, a picture of the male ones on the left hand side of the entrance, so they had both and so did Israel. They were no different.

Jackie:  When you said Israel, it wasn't Israel back then?

Alan:  After the so-called Babylonian captivity there was an Israel for a short time, although the Romans called that whole area Edomia on their maps, but you can still check today. They have historical maps but they did have temple prostitutes the same as every other mystic religion across that part of the world and of course the generative power of the sexual act was the closest they claim they came to emulating the creator. It was a creative function and many of them in the higher sects claim that to have sex with the male was still closer to the deity than having sex with the female, so the deviant part of it has been there for thousands and thousands of years.

What they did and this is standard philosophy and history, what they did from the most ancient times to set up this particular system was to create a god and a god's wife in the heavens, so in Egypt it was Osiris and wife Isis. Then they'd have a representative on earth who also emulated that, so you had a human being who would be the god on earth. That was the pharaoh and his wife, so they wrote it into the heavens and then reenacted it on earth.

In fact, the three pyramids themselves are nothing more than the belt of the Constellation Orion.

Jackie:  We have to take our break. On the other side of this I want to remember to tell our listeners, you and I talked about this recently about John Coleman and his books… Somebody must have come down on John Coleman;and folks, for anybody to think that somebody is an ex- or former CIA or MI6 or whatever, it's folly because once you are, you are. Don't you agree with that Alan?

Alan:  They say that themselves.

Jackie:  You get people on radio broadcasts you know guests, former CIA, a former Illuminati. Really? And people fall for it because they say so and that's when our logic has to enter in. It's like people who listen to the broadcasts of people who are syndicated on a lot of different radio stations. Well, George Noory, what's his name, Art Bell, they actually take these people seriously and there are others who are purportedly in the patriot community or whatever you want to call it, alternative radio, and when they're on 18 and 20 and 30 hours a week and syndicated – there's one particular one. I can't mention the name but he's been on C-Span. He's been on I think if I'm not mistaken Fox News but the mainstream mentions him. Now when you get a mention by mainstream you have to know that it's one of theirs.

Alan:  You don't get an interview unless you are playing a role which they know about, and Albert Pike, and I can't stress it enough, he said that "we supply the leaders to the people. When they need a leader we supply them," and they always make sure it's a superstar that seems to have more info than anyone else and they steamroll ahead and before you know it they become almost a deity themselves.

Jackie:  Yes, and they have lots of infomercials too.

Alan:  These people are definitely backed. For instance, in about March or April there was a Rabbinical protest in New York; 6,000 people, many of them Rabbis, were protesting the illegality of the present Israel. They claimed that it's supposed to be Messiah-led to create a new Israel and it hasn't happened, this was done by man, and so 6,000 and all walked across the Brooklyn Bridge, brought everything to a standstill and yet not one paper mentioned that fact.

Jackie:  That's all well and good but it's sort of like a Ross Perot when he was allegedly fighting the NAFTA. He wasn’t fighting the NAFTA. He wasn’t opposing it. In fact his slogan was "not this NAFTA."

Alan:  What I'm saying, though, is not one paper or media mentioned that fact at all, which tells you if the media doesn't want to hear what you've got to say that you won't get a mention and so when you are doing a supposed patriot show – which is a joke anyway, the whole thing, the patriot. I'm sorry to say it but it's true. These guys gave you a system and made them believe it was yours and that's where the patriotism comes from. Now they're simply adjusting their system into the updated version and because people don't like change they're getting angry about it, so they put the Pied Pipers out there to lead you, which will be up the garden path as always, and nothing will be done except keeping you pacified or letting you blow off steam as we go through all the changes.

Jackie:  Yes and my thoughts about these 6,000 people, rabbis, et cetera. Well, okay, not this Israel because it isn't messiah-lead. They believe that their messiah is going to come in with the damn sword and eliminate all their enemies and they still are adherent to the Talmudic--

Alan:  Well, that's the craziness of all religion you see. I don't put them in a different bracket from anybody else. I know that the rabbis know more about the esoteric, but the followers don't, because the rabbis study the Talmud and they get to know what the inner meanings are.

Jackie:  Well, they're lied to. There's this rabbi from Neutra Karta I think it is. I heard him on John Stadtmiller's broadcast several years ago and he was saying they’re anti-Zionist and he said our god has demanded, commanded us to be good neighbors wherever we live. That's an outright lie because they are commanded to root out, pull down and destroy every nation where they live as though they were captives whether their host nation welcomes them with open arms or not.

Alan:  That's where the Noahide laws come in because it's their duty to actually try and get these laws enforced into all gentile nations wherever they travel. That's a commandment really and of course--

Jackie:  That's what I was saying but I was getting emails saying – in fact I did tune in. I got a call and somebody said oh you should hear this guy. He's really great. No, he wasn't, Alan. It was just fuzzy warm, we're good neighbors and we love America and we're anti-Zionists. That's BS. They might be "anti-Zionist" but they're still under the Talmudic law.

Alan:  As far as I'm concerned, there's no single religion out there that should have predominance over any other one or people.

Jackie:  There's no religion out there that should even be.

Alan:  They've all been created from the same source a long time ago and that's the triangle. That's one of the meanings of the triangle and a trinity because they love trinities, you see, and the Mystery Religion had trinities for thousands of years before Jesus and one of the trinities of course is Judaism, Christianity and Mohammedism. That's your three main religions.

Jackie:  On the internet you see all kinds of stuff about the evils of the Muslim religion et cetera and the people who are doing this don't even realize it that Christianity and Talmudism has been combined. It's all one.

Alan:  Legality always wins over and that was why they combined the Old Testament with the New. See, the more you condition people into a culture, and it's culture shaping you see, that's why you give them a specific religion that generally is promoted by the royalty or whoever is at the top. It's designed to have a function, a purpose and to take the people to a certain destination, a "fulfillment" if you like, of a plan and millions of people go along with it all because they're simply trained to do that from a very early age.

Jackie:  What I became aware of is that Christianity and Talmudism are not opposites. They're parallel and the people are on a parallel path, the Christians and the Jews, and that path isn't going to cross. It's going to merge.

Alan:  Eventually so will the updated the Muslim world, once the job is finished in the Middle East, they'll merge too.

Jackie:  Well, that's the intention.

Alan:  The trinity always merges, that's why you have three in one.

Jackie:  You look at the Christians waiting for Jesus. He's coming back and he's going to have his kingdom. The seat of his kingdom is going to be in Israel and then of course you've got the Jews on the same parallel path. They're waiting for their messiah who has not come yet and he's going to be the one that's going to rule the world. One of the things that you read in their websites on the Noahide laws et cetera, one of the things they're telling the Jews, one of the most frequently asked questions, why hasn't our messiah come? They said because the world is not ready for him yet and the world will not be ready for him until the Christians have become Hassidic Gentiles and that would be under the Noahide laws and so it's their duty, their mandate to proselytize and bring people in convincing them that this is the true "religion." Of course, then you have so-called Christian pastors and some of them on the air 20 and 30 hours a week actually getting their followers to observe the Talmudic holidays.

Alan:  Well, sheep go into the pasture and that's what a pastor means. He's looking after sheep and you can't do anything about it because sheep follow. That's all they do is follow and they will go willingly into whatever the guys at the top decide for them and it's unfortunate but that's the truth. That's why they call the man the pastor.

Jackie:  There are some people waking up. I know that from phone calls that I get from people and you have said that you've had some really great phone calls from people who suddenly just – it suddenly hits them. I thought about this last night that I'm not sitting here "bible bashing, Christian bashing," which evidentially to some people it sounds like what I'm doing, and Alan, I wouldn't even be talking about this because it is so sensitive for people who are really steeped in it. Now I was raised up in the Lutheran Church. I mean it wasn't like I didn't have religion but I knew that there was stuff that we weren't being told. It just wasn't making sense to me. But the only reason that I do this is because I see that it is the engine that is driving this plan for world dominion and it's so important and I would not intentionally offend or hurt somebody's feelings or tick people off just to do it. It would be nice if we didn't have to talk about this.

Alan:  When you have people going along with it and they become part of your problem or my problem because they're giving their power to this system and whether we agree with it or not we're supposed to go along with it or else; and I don't like that either. We all have a right to say what we know and what we think and if it hurts their feelings, then that's just too bad. If they're so brainwashed into this double-speak religion, a god of vengeance and a god who loves you, well that is their problem.

Jackie:  A god of vengeance, a god who loves you, "I'll curse you if you don't follow every one of my bloody statutes and I'll bless you if you do."

Alan:  "I'll make rich ones to lord over you and I can make rich whoever I want to. I'll have my favorites if I want them and I admire guys who can steal titles and property from others," because that's the whole story that they give you where Jacob gets the blessing that was supposed to be put on his brother. He cheated his old dad out of it trying to pretend he was the brother.

Jackie:  I thought was a really pathetic story when you read about it.

Alan:  It's a good story for that type of conniving and cunning.

Jackie:  That a father would reject the gift of one son and accept the gift of the other.

Alan:  Yes, a half-blind old man.

Jackie:  Yes and not only that, but the one son, wasn't he offering the fruits of his labors from the land?

Alan:  That's right. What it symbolizes is the man of nature. It's not real people, you see. What it also symbolizes is the one who has cunning and uses his intelligence but not his muscles to work and therefore it's his right to take advantage of the schmucks. That's the lesson there. That's what the lesson is.

Jackie:  People who believe that story, then in their minds they would want to be like the son who was blessed, the liar, the one that's cunning.

Alan:  The deceiver, and if God says that's okay then that's okay with them. Then they cannot complain when the government comes and steals whatever they have.

Jackie:  It's like the story about Abraham and Sarah and they waited a hundred years to have a son but meantime--

Alan:  She wasn't quite sure she wanted one.

Jackie:  Meantime, Hagar her handmaiden, she sent him in to Abraham to have a son and then when what was his name, Isaac, their son was born, she got jealous. She wanted what's his name out of the way. What was his name? Born to Hagar.

Alan:  Yes, I know who you mean.

Jackie:  Okay, you know who I mean. Well, you read that in the Old Testament and the Lord said to Abraham – this is my of course paraphrasing, but it's like okay it was fine that he impregnated this woman and had a child by her, but then when Isaac was born Sarah didn't want them around and so the Lord said to Abraham get him out of here, put her on an ass and put him on an ass and send them away. Don't upset Sarah. Alan, when you read that, that is so pathetically sick to believe that "Creator or God" would be that lacking in compassion.

Alan:  However, the ones who belong to this Mystery Religion and who believe that they are gods would do these things because they have no compassion for anyone outside their system.

Jackie:  But there are people who claim to be Christians who take a lot of stock in those Old Testament stories. In fact, it seems to me that Christians are more in love with the Old Testament than they are with the little 10 percent of the Bible, the gospels, which I know that isn't all there anyway; but to read that and believe it, that is very sad to me because your heart tells you – I mean your heart knows or our inner knowing that that isn't our Creator. We wouldn't do that to somebody.

Alan:  No, but a mafia boss would.

Jackie:  Yes and they say well God can do anything he wants and that's how they slough it off.

Alan:  I don't waste my time with these people because you see when indoctrination takes it's like an inoculation. They have that term "the inoculation has taken," meaning it’s supposed to work. It's the same with indoctrination. The ones who have come from even abusive families and it doesn't have to be physical abuse, abuse of the mind is generally the first thing that happens, they grow up almost being obsessional with rules, regulations and laws.

Jackie:  And abuse of laws.

Alan:  Yes and so they gravitate right into that whole thing because the god that's presented in the Old Testament is a very human, almost an alcoholic personality, "Come here, go away. I want to cuddle you or I might just turn around and smack you." See that's the ambivalence of this deity because it was basically an oriental king that they molded the whole thing on, a despot basically, so it's nothing to do with a creator at all. It's a man-made religion and within that man-made religion is an esoteric religion which is taught everywhere to select groups.

Jackie:  When I realized how important it is to have these conversations and it was a long time ago, Alan, because I remember it had to have been around in '98 because I was doing the broadcast at 6 p.m.  I remember one of our listeners who called in and he said, I love listening to you and you're so inspiring and et cetera, but, he said, Jackie, don't you understand this is God's plan, it's in the book; and I gulped. I gulped and thought oh my goodness and when I got off the air that evening I said, Chuck, we have met the enemy and he is us and I think one of the most dangerous books in this world is the Holy Bible.

Alan:  That's why it's on every Masonic temple. They have it on the altar, that Black Book, the book is the law is black you see. That's what it means. Saturn is always dressed in black. That's why you have black-robed priests and rabbis and so on, and so their book is black because that's the Saturnalian law.

Jackie:  Well, for any of our listeners who are listening, I just want you to know that these conversations would not be being had if it wasn't very clear in my mind that it is the engine that is driving that will, if enough people don't wake up to the lies, it will help to implement their plan for world dominion.

Alan:  The purpose of all psychological warfare is to disarm the enemies mind prior to anything occurring, and, of course, when you say, "it's written in the Bible. It's God's plan" --

Jackie:  It's the infallible word of God and the Bible seems to be worshipped.

Alan:  It is, especially the King James Version.

Jackie:  Yes, that's the one.

Alan:  They think that's the one that Jesus used.

Jackie:  That's the one and only. We’re out of our hour. Alan, thanks for being here. Would you stay on the line when we go off?

Alan:  Sure.

Jackie:  Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back with you tomorrow night and thank you for being here with us tonight and I pray that your minds and your ears and your eyes are opened and that you will consider the conversations and maybe if you get Alan's books, that might help a lot when you see the ancient records that he has in the books. It's all there.

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Alan:  Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is actually Alan here.

 

I'll be on for a few minutes while Jackie has to attend to a few vital things and I think tonight we'll be talking about some of the meanings behind Revelations.

 

This is contained in the third book I put out there which deals with a lot of the history of banking and religion, which have always gone hand in hand in every age. I go through the meanings of Revelations and explain it as it really is, which is basically astro-theology as they call it, which again is simply the study of the stars, the times of the risings and settings of major stars and the planets of course. You'll find the zodiac is very important in all of this because it's the Heavenly Plan and that's the term they use, which is also the term that George Bush, Sr. used discussing everything going the way of the Divine Plan or the Heavenly Plan. That's when he gave his first New World Order speech and you'll find it's more of a timetable written in the sky and it was written many, many thousands of years ago and possibly even millions of years ago because the further we dig into history, we find that humanity—as we are today, that is, not ape men—but humanity definitely existed much, much further back than the Darwinists have told us.

In fact, Darwin I think was pulled out of the hat to try and cover up the fact that knowledge is not being discovered. Knowledge is being rediscovered and science is being rediscovered and very possibly it's being reused and it's coming from archives. That's why research is called RE-SEARCH. Why isn't it simply called search?

There's very little today that we know of which wasn't discussed many, many thousands of years ago, especially by the Greek philosophers.

We find we have the Atomist School, as they called it, where they knew that nothing was really solid and the tiny particles of matter revolve around each other.

 

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atomism-ancient/

 

We're expected to believe that they simply came to these conclusions by their vast intellectual superiority – a bunch of nobility with nothing else to do but sit and think about things. Well, I don't care how long you would think about something, if you don't have access to high-tech civilizations with high-tech equipment, you could never come to that conclusion in a million years. This knowledge was known a long, long time ago and if we jump from there to "The New Atlantis" by Francis Bacon who wrote the book in the late 1500's and it was published in 1602.

Jackie:  Alan?

Alan:  Hello.

Jackie:  I'm here and I want you to just continue what you're saying, okay? And thank you very much.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  You were talking about "The New Atlantis"?

Alan:  Yes and "The New Atlantis" is the same thing.

Jackie:  Published in?

Alan:  1602.

Jackie:  Right. Go ahead now.

Alan:  We find that he talks about a land to the west which would be risen up to be a world leader and of course he's talking about America. He said that it would have a form of government on the surface for the people where they would think they had a say in matters but in reality there would be an invisible government of an elite bunch of intellectuals and scientists who would make all the decisions. He called it "Solomon's Land," meaning the Brotherhood. That's what he really was referring to was the Masonic Brotherhood or in his day Rosicrucianism. He said that they had laboratories under the ground and within mountains where they did scientific testing on different things and that all of the laboratories were powered by an energy which gave off the heat and light of the sun. Well, that's what we have today with nuclear energy.

He then went on to say that in some of the laboratories they could take the tiniest particles of matter, living matter, animal or vegetable, mix them together and create new types of species and know exactly the types they wanted at the end before they even started, which tells you they've done it before. He also talked about a machine which could manipulate the weather. It could cause rainstorms or droughts. It could create hurricanes or tornadoes and be guided to their target.

Now this book "The New Atlantis" was a common book in universities for the last couple of hundred years or more and we're expected to think that a man who lived in an age where the candle was the best form of light they had--

Jackie:  Yeah, 400 years ago?

Alan:  Yes, and the horse and carriage were the best form of land transport. We’re expected to believe this man dreamed all this stuff up by himself and wrote this tremendous book, which was also a prediction. As I say, America is the New Atlantis and we know today that we are basically running towards a plan. We're part of a definite plan to "spread," if you like, Solomon's word across the world or make one system across the world. That's what it really means and the United States is leading the charge and up until now it's been financing most of it through the taxpayer.

Jackie:  Did you say that there was not evidence that Solomon's Temple was ever built?

Alan:  That's right. I mean even amongst the Rabbis there's debates as to where it was, because if there ever was one they think it was much further to the north and not on the present site where Herod's Temple was built. We know that Herod definitely built a temple.

Jackie:  Or he started building one.

Alan:  He built it and then the Romans destroyed it. It didn't last terribly long.

Jackie:  So it wasn't Solomon's Temple that was destroyed?

Alan:  Probably not. The whole thing about the esoteric meaning of Solomon's Temple, the temple is the individual High Mason. It's yourself in other words. You're rebuilding yourself. That's what Solomon's Temple really means and in the third book I go through this, what the real meanings are, as opposed to what we've been taught to believe – which is mainly fictitious characters or else as I say solar and stellar theology wrapped around stories concerning people. It's very cleverly done because if you're indoctrinated at such a young age to believe these poor people were wandering through the desert and we have their names and all this stuff, it doesn't occur to us that these are all stories of the planets and stars and the sun going through the zodiac.

Jackie:  Even Revelations, from what I was reading and I did have to put it down, but that's what I was getting out of it as you were explaining, that for example the lion with the 10 horns and they depict him as three different animals. You said that it's the way that they have depicted the animals that are representing the different zodiacal signs--

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  From one merging into the other, like spring into summer, those animals are, and that's that lion; and the 10 horns, what does that mean?

Alan:  It's the same thing. The old zodiac, the very, very old one only had 10 main symbols and so they stuck to that even though they updated it and added another two.

Jackie:  It was 10 crowns, wasn't it?

Alan:  In fact today they're even thinking of updating it to 14 because there are two more main constellations which have crept in there over the last few thousand years.

Jackie:  Was does the word Sephiroth mean?

Alan:  The Sephiroth, it means emanations. They talk about the 10 emanations from the deity and people study this all their lives often and never really catch on to what they’re talking about. Everything that's put out there for people to follow is a maze of storytelling which captures the imagination and yet very few people see through what it really means and find the original meanings; and when they do, they kind of kick themselves because some people have spent an entire life studying this stuff, only to find out it's so simple really.

Jackie:  How do you know what all this means, Alan?

Alan:  How do I know?

Jackie:  Yes.

Alan:  I always knew. I could see through things from a very early age and I can remember even going to Sunday school and hearing the stories and then it struck me because I also studied astronomy from a very early age and before I went to school and so I thought my God that's got an awful lot in common with – for instance, if you chart the planet Venus over the course of a year with its risings, its settings and so on, you'll find it forms the six-pointed star.

Jackie:  It actually does?  It makes the shape in its movement? It makes the shape of a six-pointed star and is that where that symbol came from then?

Alan:  Yes. That's why they chose that as one of their main – and they didn't choose it really. It was there long before there was any Hebrews.

Jackie:  Oh yes, right. Just like the cross.

Alan:  These are amazing timelines here. I mean even in the days of Sumer they had the same symbols and in the days of Sumer they already had the stellar charts marked out so accurately that they could predict major changes in eclipses 5,000 BC.

Jackie:  Wasn't there a particular planet maybe in – was it the Pleiades, that the astronomers could not see even with their huge telescopes and yet they knew that there were seven when only six were visible?

Alan:  Actually there was eight at one time because the ancient Greeks talked about one of them blinking out. In other words, it went nova.

Jackie:  And they knew that and yet modern day astronomers it took them a long time.

Alan:  This is an amazing thing. When you go back into ancient Greece, they knew the world was round and they wrote about it and yet after the Catholic Church was created, suddenly we're flat again. We we're a flat earth for another few hundred years, so they go back and forth giving us our realities and it's so easy to do when you're all powerful and you have mainly an illiterate population. The ancient Greeks had so much of this charted, and they got it from the Egyptians who already had all that knowledge, but they knew the world was round.

In fact, one of the ancient Egyptians calculated by using obelisks as sundials and watching the shadows and measuring them and having lines of them across Egypt. He actually calculated the diameter of the earth within one percent of accuracy.

Jackie:  Who was that?

Alan:  It was an ancient man, he had a Greek name but he lived in Egypt and that was about 2,500 BC.

 

https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/big-history-project/solar-system-and-earth/knowing-solar-system-earth/a/eratosthenes-of-cyrene

 

Jackie:  You had mentioned here in the book, this is on page 61, when you were first getting into Revelations that the writers of Revelations borrowed heavily from the Zend-Avesta, the Jewish Codes, Philo and the Gnostics. Who was Philo?

Alan:  He was another historian philosopher that existed around that period. There's nothing in the original at all in the Old Testament. In fact, it was all borrowed, which tells me that the people who formulated it and we've got to start at the beginning with the Old Testament. The Old Testament was first put together we are told and the all rabbis agree about this either 300 BC and some say 100 BC but they all agree it was put together in Egypt by priests living in Egypt and they didn't write it in Hebrew or Aramaic. They wrote it in Coptic Greek, so here we have a very high, probably illuminati of their day, who had the knowledge of Egypt and Greece and who knows how many other cultures putting together the Old Testament, what's known as the Septuagint.

Putting that together in Egypt, writing it in Greek for supposedly an Aramaic-speaking people living in Israel. You have this ludicrous situation but the rabbis all agree that's was how it was done and nothing survives – if there was any truth to any of it, nothing survives prior to that time. It was created in Egypt given to the Jewish people and even in the times of Jesus they were still using that version in the synagogues. They preferred that version and it wasn't until about 100 AD that someone eventually tried to put together the first Aramaic or Hebrew version for the people. Whoever put this together had knowledge of different civilizations, different sciences of those civilizations and the histories of those civilizations and made up a fictitious history.

Jackie:  For example, Moses, it is said that the story of Moses is an exact duplicate of the story of Sargon the Elder, even of being put in the rushes in the water and being found as an infant.

Alan:  Even the floods, we know that Sumerians had the Epic of Gilgamesh and that was the first story form of any kind of flood and the ones who survived it, so everything was borrowed from other previous civilizations.

Jackie:  When did you say that they first put the Old Testament in writing?

Alan:  The date that they argue amongst themselves is around 300 BC or even as close as to within 100 BC. We've got to understand that at that period the place that we call Israel today was a hodgepodge of immigrants from civilizations that had moved out of their own countries because of warfare.

Jackie:  Do you know why people believe it though? Because the gentleman that I talked to this week, he mentioned at different times that Jesus allegedly had talked about Moses and the prophets et cetera, et cetera and so that it had to be real.

Alan:  Well, if that's good enough for him, that's fine. However, I think for many, many people it's not good enough.

Jackie:  The way it appeared to me is that they put those words in his mouth so they could tie the old with the new.

Alan:  There's no doubt they kept updating the New Testament too, and here you have a situation in the New Testament where somebody came out, spoke against the Pharisees. Now the Pharisees were one small sect in that area--

Jackie:  But very powerful.

Alan:  Very powerful but they were one – in fact they were the illuminati of their day. They were called illuminati as well. They were a brotherhood, very secretive, who actually in the writings out there that many Jews know of where the Pharisees themselves looked upon the common Jew no differently from anyone else, they were the bottom of the heap. They were one small sect amongst many sects and of course they appeared out of Babylon. That's when they first came into being is from Babylon, so there's speculation as to was this Mystery Babylon simply moving out and moving elsewhere. That's the key to Mystery Babylon. Mystery Babylon is wherever they go with the money, with the system, the trading, the banking, the usury, owning the sciences of every era because they own the money supply of every era and that's basically it – Mystery Babylon was a mystery because it was one place and many places at the same time.

Jackie:  You said that the frequent reference to seven in Revelations is to the then known seven planets.

Alan:  That's right. In fact, those were the degrees of what today they would call Freemasonry. Those were the seven degrees that the Greek nobility went through, the Egyptian nobility went through, and every other Aramaic-speaking peoples went through. That was the standard international brotherhood of its time and those were the seven degrees.

Jackie:  And the Magi kept temples?

Alan:  Yes and the same with Jacob's seven steps on the ladder going up to God. That was the seven degrees. That's why it's in every Masonic lodge, that picture. We're talking about an inner brotherhood--

Jackie:  And it's all just about the planets and the situation of the planets and stuff?

Alan:  That's the basis of it all and of course it also refers to, as they say, "as above, so below," so they wrote a system of government where they could rule the world into the stars.

Jackie:  I don't understand that.

Alan:  It's in the book actually. The whole thing is in the book.

Jackie:  Okay, so I haven't gotten there.

Alan:  I even put diagrams in there where you'll see the upturned triangle resting on the apex of the other triangle and I put the earth plane and the heaven plane, and so as it comes down, as the heavens come to the earth plane, the sun becomes the sun king on earth and the helpers of the heavenly host end up as the bureaucrats, lawyers and so on.

Jackie:  And that's what they mean by as above, so below?

Alan:  That's one of the main – that was the original meaning. The whole thing was a system of how a few could dominate the majority.

Jackie:  I'm only about three pages in to the section on Revelations and that's what I wanted to get to but I was afraid I would miss something if I went right back to Revelations and I can see – I mean I've made some highlights but I can see. I could go back and read this again and each time I read it understand something that I didn't understand the first time I was reading it because that's already happened. I read a couple of pages over in the morning because I was reading it at night and I was sleepy so I picked up and went right back and read those and I caught so much more.

Alan:  Actually, I write things in a way which has the meanings contained within the meanings, so each time you do read it you will see another layer. There's a technique to that because the standard technique of teaching and conditioning we've all gone through with standardized education doesn't make your mind participate in your downloading. You simply get downloaded and you repeat that download for examinations and you forget it all.

Jackie:  Exactly. That was just what I was thinking. It would be like reading this and being given a test and as long as I answered the question according to what was written I would get an 'A' and I wouldn't even understand what I had read.

Alan:  Yes, that's right and that goes even for many professions. That's exactly the technique. They don't have to understand. They just have to be able to parrot it back and then they forget it. Therefore when you can write in a certain style towards the persons, you understand where they are in their head space because of the conditioning, you can actually help deprogram that person as they actually work through the book.

Jackie:  Wow. Then it would be a good recommendation that this book be read more than one time.

Alan:  Definitely.

Jackie:  Well, all of the three of them, but this particular one is the one I'm into now.

Alan:  As I say, we've always been run in this planet at least since the beginning of money and priesthoods that go hand in hand and usury, which is the system of keeping control over a people. You start to control people by introducing your money and then your goods and then giving loans out. Once you have loans with interest, then you own the people basically because generations are signed down to paying off the debt. This system has been here for thousands upon thousands of years and people don't realize that thousands of years ago it was terribly sophisticated just as it is today. There really is nothing new under the sun as they say. Even by the use of war, the bankers had all of the ancient countries fighting each other and then they would bring in their system and give the funding to create standing armies once they had their puppet master in control, their king or whoever they put there, and then they'd go in and invade another country that was not using their system. Then they'd force that system upon them and bring in the same thing, so this has been going on forever.

When we look at the Moslem countries today, the countries who don't allow usury and often don't have a central bank, the U.S. is simply finishing off the job so that the whole world will be under the same system of centralized banking, centralized government, all connected to an international global government.

Jackie:  And Omar Khayyam wrote about it.

Alan:  I put that in there, too, just to let people see that there are old writings about this.

Jackie:  That was the 11th century. Do you remember that?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Well, say it to our listeners what you wrote that he wrote. What! Out of senseless nothing--

Alan:  Yes, "to provoke a conscious Something to resent the yoke"…

Jackie:  …"Of unpermitted pleasure, under pain of everlasting penalties, if broke! What! From his helpless creature be repaid. Pure gold for what he lent us dross-allay'd - Sue for a debt we never did contract. And cannot answer–oh the sorry trade!"

Alan:  Yes, because once they had their gold in circulation they then withdrew it into the bank they set up and gave cheap alloyed coinage out in lieu of it to represent it. Then they would lend you back, when you went for a loan, they'd lend you this alloyed, he calls it dross. Dross is what's left over from coal. It's the garbage.

Jackie:  Alan, lets pick this up on the other side of this break. This is fascinating. Folks, we'll be right back right after this break. This is fascinating, Alan, and I noticed that underneath those two verses you took a couple of paragraphs to explain what Omar Khayyam was writing about, and you want to go ahead and finish explaining that?

Alan:  What he was saying there was what they'd already been doing and was recorded – they'd done the same thing around 1800 BC when they really started bringing in their gold in big time by trade into countries and this is before they coined the money. They weighed it out and they brought the merchants with them so they were all related, the bankers and the merchants with their ships and so it was easier for them when they invented coinage around 800 BC because then they opened up banks where people could deposit their gold and silver. There was more silver actually than gold in use at the time and they were told that they would facsimiles in exchange for their gold from the bank. They would get either clay ones with the stamp on it with a number of the currency – and they found thousands of jars that were sealed with wax because if moisture got to them you lost all our money. They also gave out eventually the alloys, the cheap alloys of copper mixed with other things, in lieu of the gold. In Sparta, for instance, when the king realized there was a con game going on he demanded and he went with his guards to the bank that actually was set up from the Middle East.

Jackie:  This was in Persia?

Alan:  Persian and Spartans as well, they both did the same thing and they went into the temple. See, the temples were used as the banks. In fact, often the first funding of usury was to build a temple which doubled as a bank and when the kings went in to find where the gold was, there was nothing there because the bankers, once they had given out the facsimiles, the cheap alloys, had moved the gold somewhere else for a loan to pull the same stunt on another country. This has been going on forever, this same game, and when Omar Khayyam wrote about it, it was the same deal. They issued him a statement that he now has x-amount of money.

Jackie:  It was a loan, a paper loan.

Alan:  However, when he got his first bill in to him, he had to pay it back in real gold, so that was the con game that was going on. Technically, they'd given them the cheap facsimiles of worthless coinage, which was accepted at the time as long as people did accept it, but he had to pay the interest and the payments in real gold to the bankers. This is quite a fascinating thing. Today it's no different. The international bankers simply write a check out to the treasuries which print up the money, but the countries that get permission to print up the money have to pay back the bankers in real gold, silver or real goods, which is a sweetheart deal. This has been going on for thousands and thousands of years and yet banking even today is a mysterious body and we're told that it's just too complicated for us to understand.

Jackie:  Well of course it is because they make it so complicated.

Alan:  It's really very simple. It's a scam from the beginning.

Jackie:  Yes and that is exactly – at least it appears from the little we get of the history of what Jesus was exposing.

Alan:  Yes, because it was no different than other countries. He went to the main temple there and the bankers were doing their usury there, as they had all over the ancient world, because they always sat in the porch of the churches all over the world and did their deals and exchanged money openly. Again, it was so clever, because in every religion, it doesn't matter what religion you belonged to, you could not give donations within the church except in your own coinage. When you went in from another area or a different country you had to exchange what you had for their coins and of course they would charge an awful lot more on the transaction. It was international money trading that was going on and Jesus of course exposed it in his day and was quite open about it. Then he came up against the Pharisees who were part of the whole deal obviously and I think anybody would get crucified if you cut to the heart of the matter and he certainly did, you know.

Now all the rest of it that was tacked on to control the people was fairly typical. They'd used heroes in past times and killed them and then used those very people who spoke truth to then control the people's minds, like turn the other cheek. If you turn the other cheek, I know who's going to win.

Jackie:  Yes, right. But that's what they say he said.

Alan:  Here's a guy who gets crucified, killed by the government of his day and yet later on in Paul's writings they have "obey your government because it's put there by God." A total contradiction of the life of the man they supposedly followed. By those very words, that means that why are they complaining about Adolph Hitler? He was an elected part of the government. Why did they complain about Napoleon or Lenin? In other words, any government is put there by God so obey it, you see. No, these were all tacked in.

Jackie:  You know what they used there, that saying that Jesus supposedly said and maybe did, "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render under to God what is God's."

Alan:  Oh yes, they'll use that.

Jackie:  So that's what they use to justify that you're supposed to obey your government.

Alan:  Yes, regardless of how tyrannical it is, but if Jesus would have obeyed his and kept quiet and did what they said, don't speak out anymore and ask for forgiveness, he would have been alive you see.

Jackie:  Yes and don't you love it that that Pharisee Paul was sainted by the church. They call him St. Paul.They won't the word Saul. I guess that's too Jewish sounding.

Alan:  It's not really. Again, it's esoteric because there's more meanings to Saul. If you take the Latin version, Sol is the sun.

Jackie:  So what does the sun – when they always refer to the sun, El the sun, On the sun, the Hebrew, and what was the ON?

Alan:  ON is the phallic reproductive power of the sun. In other words, the life energy that it gives for creation.

Jackie:  What does that mean, his name the sun?

Alan:  You'll find that in all the mystery religions, including some present day Christian sects, that when you are initiated into that sect you are given a new name.

Jackie:  Okay, but what does the word SUN mean to them?

Alan:  The mystery religion passes the power of the father who's initiated into his own offspring the son, so you have SUN and SON and they both mean the same thing. That's why they both sound the same.

Jackie:  What do they mean to them, Alan? The SUN, S-U-N and S-O-N?

Alan:  It's means that you are the son of an illuminati. Even in ancient Egypt – now we're told about all the languages and how they confuse things with changing languages. In ancient Egypt, a man was also called S—and they have a little dot where the vowel would go—N, so it was SON. Sometimes they spell it in modern times they call it SEN, so the SUN in the sky technically was called the sun. The same word as we use today and his offspring was also a son, no different than a man's offspring.

Jackie:  So the Sun in the sky was the Son of God?

Alan:  Yes, it's all allegory. They didn't believe it was really a god. It was allegory for a potent power. We even use the same word for a male erection. It's called – you know what it's called – the hard--. That's where that comes from because that's what they called also the obelisks in Egypt, that was the ON, the erect phallus of the person on earth who had been deified as a god. He'd gone through the degrees and now he deserved his own ON. And they put that into the English language. Of course, most people will think well that's coincidence.

Jackie:  Yes, right. Same thing as calling our children "kids," and it goes way beyond just a baby goat when you see the Goat of Mendes as their universal sign of Satan.

Alan:  Even Lenin talked about the new technique or science of neologisms, new word creations.

Jackie:  Neology.

Alan:  Where they would literally dehumanize as they split up families and then parents to children so that the state could indoctrinate the children. He said we will use different terms for the children and dehumanize them in adults' eyes.

Jackie:  Well, kids are the good ones. We were called kids and it was done lovingly. I called my girls kids and at first it was brought to my attention that a kid is a baby goat and that's when I quite calling my grandchildren kids. However, when I saw that picture of the Goat of Mendes, that evil putrid looking thing with women's breasts and a man's erected phallus--

Alan:  The hermaphrodite.

Jackie:  The hermaphrodite with the goat's head and they said this is the universal representation of Satan; and I thought, my God, we're not just calling our children baby goats. We're calling them spawn of Satan. And anybody who knows that and continues to say "kids" about their children, I think there's something wrong.

Alan:  Well, we know there's a lot wrong.

Jackie:  "Oh well, it doesn't mean anything." Yes, it does mean something.

Alan:  Yes, but you've said yourself about people who use the fluoride in toothpaste who know better and they understand what you mean when you tell them about it, but they go ahead and buy the same stuff anyway.

Jackie:  "Oh, I didn't know that." They pay for their poison.

Alan:  There are people no matter what you present to them who will carry on because they believe. See, their inoculation of indoctrination has taken with them and they truly believe that the media tells them everything that they would need to know, and if the media doesn’t tell them, they won't believe you.

Jackie:  You know the thing is the whole dog-gone language is made up so that we speak their stuff--

Alan:  We do.

Jackie:  And there are times when I think, okay, how are we going to talk if the only language we know is the language that they gave us. You went through the alphabet one time and the different symbols of the different letters and what they mean, and the school bus. It's yellow and black. It's carrying the little worker bees in it, the little future worker bees.

Alan:  And they have spelling bees at school.

Jackie:  They have spelling bees. Then I found that prayer, tripped over it looking for something in a Maryland newspaper online Monday and it was a minister's sermon about how we should emulate the bees. Remember that, Alan?

Alan:  In Christian theology, even in Roman Catholic theology from the beginning, which doesn't surprise me, they also used the symbol of the beehive, as the pharaohs had before them, as the perfect society with the royalty at the top (the Queen) and the drones (meaning the priests round about her) who decided what the rest would be to eat, which would turn them. They'd didn't get the royal jelly. They got the lower grade which turned them into worker bees. They've always looked upon the beehive, even the Minoans – that's where the bankers lived in at the Aegean Sea at one point on the islands there and they called themselves Minoans at that time. They have dug up these pottery replicas of the beehive and it was a very sacred symbol there for them because that was them creating their order wherever they went.

Jackie:  Do you know what that brings to mind? Pat Schroeder was a U.S. Congresswoman from Colorado and I heard her – I even got it on tape on C-Span one day. They were talking about, oh gee, I can't remember what it was, but something about the children and she said our children shouldn't even be brought into this. They are our future of tomorrow. They are our greatest natural resource.

Alan:  Resource.

Jackie:  More so than gas and oil. In other words, she said – I wish I could remember it closer to what it was. That's basically the way she said it. They are the future tax base of this country. They are our greatest natural resource. Now I wonder if that woman – I wonder if these people crawl out from under rocks, Alan, that they can say something like that.

Alan:  I know, and yet the high economists that advise on the system are well aware that that's exactly how it is. It's a legalistic system which has everyone born into this system as a potential laborer and tax producer with x-amount of years to put so much work into the tax base. That's why only this system is allowed to exist, because it enables a bunch of elitists at the top who do very little and they do no real work and could not survive in any system outside this particular one they have created because they're useless at anything else. It allows them to live high on the hog. Higher than anyone else and live a life of luxury. Technically, they don't even own anything. They have the use during their lifetime of incredible government-owned buildings across not just the one country, but across the planet and that goes right back to Plato in "The Republic."  He said we'd create this system. He says "why own something and then have to hire guards to watch your property and then pay for the maintenance and upkeep."  He said "why not have ourselves as the government and the public will then maintain it all. Pay for it, build it, supply it with guards for us," and that's the system we live in today.

Jackie:  Well now this sounds pretty – it's like we would have to quit almost breathing not to be in their system.

Alan:  They have made it so.

Jackie:  Well I understand that, but you know I want to say this because we've gotten to a point, sometimes we do this in our conversations, where I get to a point where I'm like okay you can't talk without using their language that they gave us and we "live" with the exchange of this fictitious paper and it brings me to a point where it's like what is the use? Then I remember and I really believe this is true what you said. When we were talking about the Federal Reserve one day and the gold, that people keep wanting to go back to gold as the standard not really understanding because I didn't. They control the gold.

Alan:  Always did.

Jackie:  Yes and so it doesn't matter whether it's paper or what it is, when they have control of it they can make a shortage of it any dog gone time they want. But one of the things you said when I in my huffiness because you were ticking me off because everything I said, you said no it isn't going to work. You cannot get out of their system by using their system.

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Then I said, okay, fine, what's your solution? and you said if enough people get it, this system will collapse of itself.

Alan:  It's a complete fiction.

Jackie:  It is a fiction but people have to really get it that it's a fiction.

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  It's just like they're selling the air today, Alan.

Alan:  I know.

Jackie:  Well you know with those pollution credits. Jesus! They crush a car is worth $700 in pollution credits and they sell the actual – some large corporation pays the $700 to the government to pay the person whose car they crushed and that corporation gets to spew out $700 worth of tons of crud into the air. Now they are selling it across international borders.

Alan:  Yes and you can pay in advance now.

Jackie:  They're selling the air.

Alan:  The great King James of the Bible when he wasn't chasing the pageboys – and that's a fact if anybody wants to study up on it – he taxed the light and the air.

Jackie:  The light. Oh, windows.

Alan:  Yes, the window. If you opened the window then you were also--

Jackie:  No, no. I think what it was, was however many windows you had in your house to let the light in.

Alan:  But also when you had them open and the taxman came around, then you were taxed extra because that window could open to let air in. That was a big luxury. They taxed everything you could imagine and a lot we can't imagine, I suppose, because it's still to come. They've tried all this before and as I say that one priest or scholar actually, young guy who left his records in Sumer, he said I look to the left to the horizons. He says horizons to horizon and all I see is government buildings. He says they tax our food. They tax the fishermen as they bring in their fish. Before they could land the fish they had to pay taxes on it. The fish were taxed when sold at the market. When they go to bury a relative and leave offerings on the grave, he says the government man comes and demands tax and payment for the offerings or else they'd take the offering. That's death duties. Nothing has changed you know. This is a slavery system, more sophisticated than it's ever been before, and that's what Charles Galton Darwin said in the 1950's. He said, "we are creating a new more sophisticated form of slavery and very few will be able to figure it out." Once you're conditioned into it, it's hard to figure it out.

Jackie:  I don’t know if we have time here but I would like to quote from page 59 of the book. This is where you were telling about the Royal Institute and et cetera and the CFR and you said "the following extract is taken from an international meeting from June 8th to 10th, 1931 in Copenhagen. The speaker is Professor Arnold Toynbee, Director of Studies for the Royal Institute of International Affairs, London, England. He was also master of…"

Never mind, I can't do it. We're out of time. Folks, I would recommend that you get Alan's books. I think it really can help to pull us out of the lies that we have been born into and we just don't want to let go of, and then maybe when you see some of this stuff it will begin, for those of you who really want the truth, this is a dog-gone good start. Alan, thanks again for being with us today and thank you for the work you've done here. Ladies and gentlemen, have a lovely four days and we'll look for you back on Monday.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Wednesday. It is the 6th of July in the year 2005. It is end of our broadcast week, Monday through Wednesday now. It goes pretty fast. Last night I was reading to you from the third book that Alan Watt has written titled "Cutting Through" and Alan is with us tonight so maybe we can discuss some of what's in the book. I have some questions myself about this situation, the Hapiru or Habiru, and maybe Alan can clear it up and I thought it would be a good idea to do that on the air because sometimes Alan and I have conversations off air and that I am so regretful that I wasn't tape recording because you can never repeat it.

Jackie:  Okay. Let me tell you where my confusion is. The Habiru or Hapiru are spelled differently but they seem to have been – well, they talked about 1500 BC where they were written in the ancient accounts and obviously before that. That word back then meant the "dusty ones" because they were the caravaneers or whatever you call them, the merchants, the bankers, the gold and silver and money lenders, et cetera, the controllers. Okay. Would that be the priesthood, Alan?

Alan:  I think they were probably were not the actual priesthood, generally speaking. They would run a hierarchy though. There's no doubt there would be some sort of coordination of a hierarchy because they all had exactly the same system regardless of which countries they had run into and which countries they were trading with. They were all using the same weights and measures wherever they went, which goes back to a common source and it was primarily silver they were introducing into those countries in those days. They had sources of silver and they also owned the mines in fact.

Jackie:  And those were what they referred to as the Habiru?

Alan:  Yes. The spelling is irrelevant. The Greeks wrote it one way and another bunch would write another way. It's the phonetic pronunciation that's important, so whether there's an H there or not doesn't matter.

Jackie:  Oh where you put the emphasis on which--

Alan:  Yes, because it was a term to describe the same and they were all Aramaic speaking people and they traded all the way from the Middle East into India and back again. In fact, Aramaic was the common trade language from basically the Aramean area right through the Middle East and across to India. That was the language of trade you might say was Aramaic.

Jackie:  Maybe you don't know, but it seemed to me that they would have to have learned to speak the languages of the people with whom they traded.

Alan:  They did. Sometimes the banker ones, the higher orders of them, would settle in a city for a period of time.

Jackie:  To take over that city?

Alan:  They'd settle in the city and most of them settled outside the city. They were nomadic people. They were always nomadic by nature and hence they had no city of their own basically, most of the time anyway. They'd settle on the outskirts of the city and seemed to have a disdain for the city people and I have no doubt that the city people had a disdain for them too because their whole business was haggling – haggling over the price of things and the price of goods and so on, which isn't a pleasant thing you know. However, that was their nature was to haggle for a good deal, but wherever they went they tried to introduce the silver monetary system, first by weighing and then eventually when coinage came along they introduced the coins.

Jackie:  Because those were weighed out perfectly already.

Alan:  It's known too that these – they had different names for them. The Phoenicians basically were almost the seafaring branch of the same people, so the Phoenicians seem to be of the same people. It was almost a brotherhood really.

Jackie:  See, it's really confusing to me.

Alan:  It isn't so confusing because it's like any brotherhood that's in on a big scam. You have to have secrecy. You have to keep apart from the other people and you'd have to instill it into your followers to keep apart from other people so that they wouldn't loose their mouths off and let the game away that they were into so many different scams.

Jackie:  In the Armana letters that you quote here, it says, "There was also a large and apparently increasing class of stateless and reputedly lawless people in Palestine and Syria to whom the appellation Apiru (or Habiru) was given. It has now become certain that they were a class of heterogenous (mixed races) ethnic origin…" Well, what were their races?

Alan:  That was a later – the term again seemed to be used again for another bunch who came along who joined them and these were a mercenary class which had originated from people who'd been cast out of tribes and cast out of cities. They were kicked out and so they became another branch of the brotherhood and that's where centered themselves and they would lease themselves out for hire as mercenaries.

Jackie:  All right. How does that connect up with the people today that we know as Jews? That they call themselves Jews so that's the only thing I know to call them.

Alan:  The ones today of course, they primarily come from the Khazarian lineage which was centered around the Black sea area and converted en masse to Judaism around the 5th or 6th century AD.

Jackie:  740 AD I think I read. I would have been around there.

Alan:  Most of them don't have any lineage too, what was traditionally – in fact in Judaism didn't appear until the fall of Babylon and that's when a group of people came out of there with the Pharisees leading them and that's when the first time in history that the term Jew or Judaic people was mentioned.

Jackie:  And they call them Jews but actually it would be more appropriate to call them Talmudists. I mean it's a religion that binds them all.

Alan:  It was a religion that was born in Babylon. There's no secret there because rabbis will tell you that there are two – one is a continuation of the other. In other words, the Judaic or the Exodus of leaving Babylon, the one that was written or compiled after that is really an extension of the part that was condensed inside Babylon; and when they come to points of doctrine, if there's a conflict, the Babylonian Talmud gets precedence over the other.

Jackie:  Well okay. Where was the other – what do you mean the other?

Alan:  The other one was a continuation because they were still writing the Talmud when they came out and they continued it for a long time.

Jackie:  So it would basically be the Babylonian Talmud?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And they would be Talmudists?

Alan:  Well, they would be, but the Pharisees themselves were a separate sect. In fact, they were a secret brotherhood, very small in fact, initially, 2,000 years ago, and they were only one small sect among many but they did have an awful lot of money, so they had power because of money. Part of the tradition at that time 2,000 years ago was to treat their fellow Jews they supposedly looked after no better than anyone else, because in a sense the Pharisaic tradition coming out of Babylon was the ancient Illuminati of its day.

Jackie:  And they weren't even of the same race as the people that they took over there?

Alan:  Are you talking about the ones who went back recently?

Jackie:  No. When they came out and they went and they read the new law to the people, there is an account of that in the Old Testament and said the people wept because the people had already begun to intermingle.

Alan:  Also, one of them found a holy book and so they didn't even know what their own laws were supposed to have been. I mean it's such nonsense; it's a fairy tale. You do understand this is a fairy tale?

Jackie:  Yes.

Alan:  It's a foundation myth you see and in foundations myths they always make up a lot of things to try and justify something which never really happened and that's why you have so many contradictions. However, in reality, Judaism came on the scene for the first time with anything at all to do with what we now know as the New Testament. It came on the scene only about 400 BC.

Jackie:  And a lot of what was involved in that, of course there were a lot of made up stories.

Alan:  They were all borrowed stories.

Jackie:  Exactly and they used some actual history to weave it in about and around their sect of people, the people that they lassoed into that "religion?"

Alan:  You've got to understand that in all times, more so back then, you had a military peasant class with a priesthood – no different from the Catholic Church up until a couple of hundred years ago, and it was quite easy for a bunch of priests to say, "hey, you used to belong to this land and your ancestors used to live here and here's what your history is," and it could be all brand new to them you see, because all they did was release a bunch of slaves out of Babylon and those slaves themselves became a--

Jackie:  Were those a mix of people also?

Alan:  There's no doubt about it. How could you lose your language when you've been in captivity for less than 100 years?

Jackie:  What do you mean by that?

Alan:  Supposedly they went in speaking Hebraic and came out speaking Aramaic.

Jackie:  So what is the Hebrew language?

Alan:  The Hebrew language really is a much later compilation. In fact, it wasn't until Maimonides in about the 12th century or so, who was the high-rabbi as they called him of his day, it wasn't until he put the language together what they called properly. In other words, he filled in all the vowel points, which were not there. Without the vowels what they used to do was write the consonants and just a little pencil point where a vowel would be because there were so many dialects that different people would put down different vowels in the word. What Maimonides did was to officially put down into law basically what the vowels were so they'd all say the same words and pronounce them the same, but without those particular vowels it was just generally Aramaic. It wasn't different from anything else.

Jackie:  Wasn't it Maimonides that said or at least he was quoted as saying that even the best of Christians are worthy of death?

Alan:  He didn't write so much on Christians. He wrote more so on Moslems because most of them lived in the Moslem countries in those days and they had to move from one to another due to warfare. What he did do was to give "Guidelines to the Perplexed." That was the title of it. That's where he laid down the rules of how to survive in other people's countries.

Jackie: Is that the 600 and some Halakah or their laws?

Alan:  He wrote an awful lot of laws down, but he himself was not a – see, there's different kinds of Judaism and that what people fail to realize. He himself did not believe in the supernatural stories of the Old Testament and other rabbis were against him because of that. He was a very much a rationalist in his way of approaching things. After he died there were actually fights in different Middle Eastern countries, fights to the death between rival groups of Jews – one supporting Maimonides and one supporting the traditional mystical type of rabbinical studies. Maimonides caused a lot of problems after he died because of the laws and so on he'd written.

Jackie:  So these people who became "Jews" because of this religion that this priesthood made up for them, they were of a mixed race also.What about the "12 Tribes"?  Was it 10 or 12 tribes?

Alan:  There was never any 12 Tribes of Israel.

Jackie:  Were there ever 10?

Alan:  No.

Jackie:  What were there?

Alan:  There was none. It's a made-up history which never existed.

Jackie:  So the Benjamites and the--

Alan:  It's all nonsense.

Jackie:  All of it?

Alan:  It's all in that third book. It's all zodiacal constellations. It's not to do with real people.

Jackie:  Okay. What I was thinking that they used those names in the book where it has all the different names of each of the leaders of each of those tribes, Daniel and all of them, so those were made up names too? They did not exist as people?

Alan:  Not as people, no. In fact, most of them were titles to the sun. They were titles of the sun or titles of the godhead and Daniel is: "God judges." It's just like when the Christians give titles to Jehovah: Jehovahjireh and Jehovah-this and Jehovah-that. These are all titles.

Jackie:  There are those who say it is not Jehovah. It is Yahweh.

Alan:  Well, the mouth of madness is very big and you'll find that there are many people whiling around in the whirlpool inside and that's what religion is for. It's like Christianity, it's so ridiculous the way it's gone. You've got one group almost falling out with another group because one stands on one leg and waves their arms in the air and one stands on the other. It's ridiculous and that's the mouth of madness.

Jackie:  All right. Let's go back to the Khazars. We were talking one time. This was quite some time ago and you said I think they were there all the time. Those today that evidentially from the land of the Khazars, Khazaria, and they were a Turkic-Mongolian mix?

Alan:  That's a bit wrong there.

Jackie:  Okay. What is it?

Alan:  It was an empire. It was an empire like the British Empire and just like the British Empire you would have English in the middle and then you'd have other tribes that were taken over from other cultures and colors even around them, all part of that empire and then all eventually called Khazarian. In fact in the Khazarian outer tribes, they were all used for different functions, but some of the outer tribes were even Moslem. The inner group were called the Royal Khazars and they were a nobility just like the nobility of Europe who only intermarried amongst themselves and the Royal Khazars were red-headed or blonde, blue-eyed or green-eyed and as I say they only intermarried amongst themselves, although they ran an empire of many different types of people who all eventually were called Jews when they adopted Judaism. They converted the whole country. A country about the size of Spain converted overnight to Judaism. Now when they disappeared--

Jackie:  Oh, excuse me. One of the things that you had said, these people that converted to Judaism, the tribe in Khazaria. You said I think they were there all the time and you said something about that they had migrated, that you believed or had read or whatever that they had migrated into that area.

Alan:  I have no doubt they did because they had symbols very similar to Egypt. The only religious symbols that they had were the obelisks. That was the only ones – by people, in fact by rabbis that went into Khazaria during that conversion period. The only symbol of religion that you noticed was the phallic symbol everywhere.

Jackie:  The obelisk?

Alan:  Yes, the obelisk. One of them said that they were basically a pantheistic people, meaning they worshiped nature, the earth, the "sciences" you might say and they didn't have really a very mystical view of anything.

Jackie:  Do you think that these people if they did migrate into that area, do you think they were led there by leaders that knew that this was going to happen eventually in the future. In other words, they're there waiting?

Alan:  Yes, I'd say so because the Khazars themselves, it's an interesting lifestyle that they had. It resembled so closely the nobility of the Normans and all of the European aristocracy descended from the Normans who appeared in Europe at the same time as the nobility of the Khazars disappeared from Khazaria. The same traditions were held by the Normans where they would migrate throughout the year to different palaces of different cities, just like the Queen goes from Buckingham Palace up to this one or that one or whatever throughout the year. That was their tradition. However, they also controlled the trade routes, in fact, to get to China and so on, you'd have to go straight through their land and they lived on taxation. They taxed everyone who moved throughout their land, so that was one of the main incomes.

Jackie:  Weren't they even taxing people who had to use the rivers?

Alan:  Yes and so they were heavily into taxation and the taxation system. They had a mounted nobility cavalry, advanced in its day, that had their own coats of arms and went into battle in certain formations so they were pretty well invincible in their day. Interestingly enough, as they disappeared from the land of Khazaria, a group of people appear in Normandy in France and call themselves Normans (or at least the historians called them Normans) and they had the same techniques with calvary, coats of arms and everything else and it's thought that this was the nobility of the Khazars who came into Europe and took over the whole of Europe through force of arms. They had unlimited financing to hire mercenary groups and the wars of the Normans on even Britain took many, many years of full scale war, which tells you there was tremendous funding to keep armies in the fields for such a long time. Plus, they built wooden forts on the coastline of France, some of them a few acres in size, and they were prefabricated and they towed them up by parts over the channel to England and re-erected them. You were talking about something on the scale of the Second World War here. Unlimited financing to take over the whole of Europe and definitely with a strategy and a plan and I have no doubt at all that the Catholic Church was part of it, because along with the Normans came the Catholic Church and one basically stood up for the other.

Jackie:  Then once they installed the kings and the queens they just continued to interbreed with one another?

Alan:  Yes, right up to the present day.

Jackie:  Some of our listeners who may be newer that did not hear you say this, but it's something that we have to keep in mind, is that these kings and queens were not even of the same nationality if you would of the people that they were ruling over.

Alan:  Exactly.

Jackie:  When you said that I thought of Catherine the Great of Russia. She was a German princess and she ruled over the Russians.

Alan:  Yes and you probably saw the movie "Braveheart," did you?

Jackie:  Yes. Alan, in about 50 seconds we're going to be taking our break so remember what you're going to say about "Braveheart" and let's pick it up on the other side.All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to be back. We'll be right back with Alan Watt so stay with us. We're talking about the contents of the book here and it certainly is worth having. If you've got I and II this wraps a lot of it up, although I think Alan already has another in mind. If you don't have I and II he suggests that you get them first so you'll have more of a background on ancient history and this won't seem so foreign to you. Before we talk about Mel Gibson, what was the movie?

Alan:  "Braveheart."

Jackie:  Braveheart." When I called you today to see if you would come on with us, of course we got into conversation and I wanted to remember the statement that you had made about people who want the truth. Will you repeat that as you mentioned it?

Alan:  People generally don't want the truth. If they wanted the truth they'd have to be willing to forego everything they'd ever known, believed, been taught, instilled with, or whatever, and it's like freefalling out of a plane. You've got to jump out of the plane and hope for the best and be willing to allow what's going to happen to happen. Most people really are looking for something which will either augment that which they've already chosen to believe or they're looking for some form of comfort.

Jackie:  Right and that's what you said.

Alan:  That's the problem.

Jackie:  The truth is not comfortable and it's because it is always such a shock. When we've believed something right from the very time we were born and it was pounded and pounded and pounded into our heads and even the history that we were given. The only thing that I see that may have been true at least partially in more recent history are dates and names.

Alan:  That's it. You know that's how history is taught in school, is battles, places and names but you never get the why or who financed it. Who benefited from it? That's all omitted.

Jackie:  It's all memorization stuff. You have to be able to remember the presidents starting from the beginning to whatever your present is at that stage. I think every school child has to do that as though it means something.

Alan:  It's indoctrination.

Jackie:  Well of course it is and not only that but it's irrelevant because we know nothing about the presidents and what we do know about them or have been told about them are lies.

Alan:  They walked on water. They were superhuman and they walked on water and they never used the bathroom, just like the actors on TV.

Jackie:  You know when you hear people calling the church today apostate it's as though all of that means it's different and it's not the "true church." Whatever it was, ever was, a true church, it was all a fabrication of the priesthood.

Alan:  It was very cleverly contrived many thousands of years ago and they created a trinity. They always have trinities in the Mystery Religion and they created Judaism, Christianity and the Moslem all from the same source; and of course they used them all to fight each other, which enriched those behind it. They could also bring them all together at the end, one way or another; Christianity has joined voluntarily but the Moslems have been brought in by force.

Jackie:  The third way.

Alan:  Getting back to Braveheart, in the movie they portray Robert the Bruce as having the legal titlehood for taking over Scotland but he would never do it when Wallace was alive. Then it shows you at the very end of the movie the final battle with Bruce leading the people at the Battle of Bannockburn where they routed the English, but that was to unite the country under the guise of freeing the people.

Jackie:  To unite. What do you mean, Scotland?

Alan:  Scotland, and so what they did, again, this is the dialectic in action. The English are invading. Scotland has many, many clans all living free and independently and along comes this guy who will be king and after the battle he becomes king, he unifies the country, nationalizes it and introduces taxation for the first time in history. What he did is centralize power and it's so cleverly done and Robert the Bruce was actually Robert de Bruce. He was a Norman knight. He wasn't Scottish at all, so this nobility one way or another became the crowned heads of all of Europe.

Jackie:  William Wallace, was he a for-real character?

Alan:  Yes, he was.

Jackie:  I got real intrigued about William Wallace after I saw that and I wanted to know more about him and Chuck and I were down in Philly and we were at Borders books or one of the big ones and this particular bookstore is like three levels and all kinds of books and I found two books on William Wallace and one basically was when they made up their like poetry to tell a story.

Alan:  Sometimes they'll say a note. A note is someone who's died.

Jackie:  A node. That's basically what it was. They said there was so very little in history able to tell about William Wallace. Now do you think that's true or they don't want people to know the truth or what?

Alan:  In Scotland, because Scotland was a colony of England you've got to remember, Scotland after winning its independence right up until James and James was a descendent of de Bruce, the Stewards were actually another name for the same bunch of de Bruce.

Jackie:  The Stewarts?

Alan:  They intermarried and intermarried, called themselves the Stewards of Scotland, meaning the keepers, so they changed from de Bruce to Steward which became Stewart as time went on, but James was a direct descendent from them with Norman nobility blood in him too, which doesn't surprise me. Stewart

Jackie:  Over all these millennia this group has lasted but they aren't always of the same – the leadership maintains their royal bloodlines but they were in the beginning part of that mixture of people?

Alan:  Within the group there's two. There's the ones who only interbred very closely and they’re the ones with the high noble stations in life et cetera.

Jackie:  Do you think there's a strain? What I'm trying to get clear here, they refer to the Habiru as a mixture so they weren't a pure bloodline of anything?

Alan:  No, they weren't.

Jackie:  These people – we'll talk about the royal Khazars, the Normans, was that a pure strain?

Alan:  As far as we can tell they go back for probably for about 1500 years or so that we can trace at keeping their own marriage lineages and interbreeding at the top.

Jackie:  What would be their race or nationality or whatever?

Alan:  It's one that they haven't given a name to, to the public. You see this entire world that we live in is a pyramid structure and it's a pyramid structure which is called civilization, which is only possible with the introduction of their money, and the whole world revolves around their money. All school children are trained to get a job to work for their money. It's all to do with the monied system which this small elite have controlled since the beginning of what we're given as time.

Jackie:  Are you saying then, that if they did a DNA on let's say Queen Elizabeth they're going to find genes different than anybody else has?

Alan:  It would be very interesting to get a hold of it but I don't think they'll ever let it happen.

Jackie:  I mean wouldn't that be what you're inferring? If they're of a bloodline that has--

Alan:  What you'll definitely get are the same types of genes, traces of other genes. For instance, we know that the Bush's are related to them. There are so many families. So many American presidents are related to them.

Jackie:  You said the Bush's are just kind of little twigs on the tree though.

Alan:  They're lower down. In fact, Kerry apparently was closer, he had more ties to the royalty than Bush did, but they only give you their own ones to vote for it seems to be.

Jackie:  So the people today that are known as Jews because they were born into this religion. I'm not talking about Sammy Davis, Jr. and Marilyn Monroe and those people who "convert" to that religion. But they are not supposed to intermarry. I guess that's just to keep control of the tribe?

Alan:  The thing is, though, most of them who are not nobility, remember, have always intermarried. In fact, most books out in the bookstores will tell you that there's an ongoing crisis within Judaism because so many of the men are marrying into gentile families. The same thing doesn't hold quite as – and they always have done you see, so the lesser ones have always bred into other peoples and many have lost their descendancy by doing so and the rabbis have been screaming at them for hundreds of years to stop doing it and they're still shouting at them to stop doing it.

Even Woody Allen was on a little program – he was with his wife and she's gentile and his mother was there. The mother is home and the father was there and the mother came out with the usual thing you know, in front of this girl too, "It’s a pity you married a gentile because if we all do that then we'll disappear," and that's the standard cry of the rabbis.

Jackie:  So these people that do object to the intermarrying actually believe that they're of a special bloodline?

Alan:  They believe that, there's no doubt about it. Many Jewish publications believe that they are. I mean they're very boastful in promoting all the scientists in history or actors or whoever. They're very boastful of their lineages and who's come out of Judaism and they do boast that they are superior to other people. And I always think how ironical that it was inevitable that the clash in Germany would occur because here you have Adolph – not really Adolph, it was Himmler and the ones behind him who were really into this new religion, very, very New Age at the time, Theosophy really, of creating a Superman, a special superior breed; and here the people holding the reigns of the money power in Germany who already believed that they were the superior breed. There had to be a clash. There had to be a clash and maybe that's the true saying that comes from their own Talmud, "For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction," because you had two people claiming to be Supermen or special or superior living in the same country. Something had to happen and I think it's sad when people actually believe the mythologies written by rabbis which pump them up into truly believing that they are superior. Now generally that would be called racism if anyone else said we're superior to you because we've created so many musicians and so many scientists and so on and we're genetically superior. Now if anyone said that that would be called hate speech.

Jackie:  They all go to the – no, I shouldn't say all, but so many of them go to the high colleges. They get preferential treatment.

Alan:  There is another thing that the people have to understand and this is very true as well. The Western peoples were brought up to be employees. The education system was introduced all throughout Europe and Britain and America for the average people; it was to train employees to fill jobs. Whereas in Judaism, like Mohammedans, they're the same, they will – the first generation will slave and scrimp and do without to put their children through the best schools you can find because they are well aware through their history that you don't get anywhere by being an employee. You have to get to the top and they do sacrifice for their children, so do the Chinese. However, it's one thing that was never ever instilled in the Western culture. The Western culture were definitely bred and raised and pushed towards being employees.

Jackie:  That makes all the sense in the world. What do you want to be when you grow up? Do you want to be a policeman? Do you want to be a nurse? But it is never what type of business are you going to start?

Alan:  No, it's never, so people can decry the Arabs who are coming in, Chinese or Jews, but they do ensure their children go to the best schools and they do sacrifice a lot to make sure that they get through, so you can't fault them for that. The fault lies in the fact that in the education system and the political system that's emerged or was created in the West, the Western peoples were raised and bred to be workers to others.

Jackie:  To bee workers.

Alan:  That's right, to bee – that's the yellow and black school bus, the worker bee. There's no doubt about it.

Jackie:  I wish I had a more clear understanding of this because it's still very muddy in my head.

Alan:  You can't go on preconceived ideas. You have to realize that in ancient times there were powers at work – very, very astute powers with tremendous communications between countries, which kept even the ancient world all working in a system. It wasn't a haphazard system and they had knowledge of what they called previous ages. In other words, civilizations long before Sumer, long before 5,000 BC. There are powers at play in this world which have perfected the systems of deception prior to Sumer and I've no doubt they had much more advanced civilizations at one point according to their own histories of the Druids and the historian Tacitus who took some of the legends of the Druids and they survived previous ages by living inside mountains during floods and ice ages. The same story is told in Mt. Parnassus for the Greeks, and you'll find the same thing in the Himalayas north of India and that's where the high Brahmans say that they survived the last age. You're talking about tremendous sciences held in the hands of the few who always will ensure that they survive, just as today there are underground bases all over the world stocked and prepared for the elite should any plague or warfare breakout again.

Jackie:  Okay, but then we'll go back about 3,600 years, about the conflagration that Immanuel Velikovsky wrote about and it appears that the majority of the population of this earth was wiped out.

Alan:  It's very possible a good proportion were, but I still think there were some people who survived on the surface of the planet and then one day many, many centuries later a few of these high priests came out of the mountains and started the whole ball rolling again. That's what it seems to be. In fact the Armenians lived around Mt. Ararat and that's where the fable of Noah's Ark came from. It wasn't a boat or an ark. It was a place of safety because Mt. Ararat is riddled with ancient tunnels where an elite came through bad times before.

Jackie:  Way up high in the mountain evidentially.

Alan:  Yes and deep within it. In fact, it's so closely guarded even today by the armies around there.

Jackie:  How long ago was that supposed to have happened?

Alan:  The Egyptians, the Druids and the Brahmans all say that there was one which happened round about 4,000 - 5,000 BC, a big one. A big one and there have been minor ones and localized ones in between.

Jackie:  You're talking the flood?

Alan:  Flood, ice age, something like that. I mean there's no doubt that there have been many ice ages and even the scientists agree with that. They don't generally agree with very much.

Jackie:  But they happened immediately?

Alan:  Yes and that's the odd thing with ice ages as we're given it, but there's been many and of course what happens between ice ages is the ice melts, so you get to the point where as it's melting the world gets warmer and something happens and it goes back to an ice age again.

Jackie:  What seemed to happen is that at least the account of the Velikovsky's at that particular conflagration, something happened to the earth's crust where what once was very, very warm suddenly was covered with ice and it had to have been something that fast to find those huge mastodons frozen solid in the ice but still had grass and plants, those tropical plants in their throat, in their teeth.

Alan:  That was Siberia. That area was the Equator at one time.

Jackie:  So something happened to the whole rotation and et cetera of planet earth?

Alan:  All you need is one good comet going close by to upset the gravitational paths and so on to upset the kilter of it.

Jackie:  And it wouldn't be gravitational. It would be electromagnetic attraction.

Alan:  It's all tied in to gravity. That would be enough to do it, or the only other possibly and this is a possibility. I don't rule it out that there have been sciences here before, maybe millions of years ago, which were never entirely lost because the mammoths – the scientific team in 1905 went out to examine in Siberia. They found that one of these mastodons or hairy mammoths also had an erection, which meant it was instantly frozen, and it's hard to imagine even with a comet or something to cause that kind of instantaneous freezing. Science can do it on a small scale that we know of – and we are at the bottom level of science from professorship down.

Jackie:  We're out of time. We're out of our hour. Okay, folks, we're going to be back Monday. Hope you have a nice four days off and we'll see you then.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Alan, are you there?

Alan:  Yes, I'm here.

Jackie:  Did you just hear a beep?

Alan:  I think you're on though.

Jackie:  All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, good evening. Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Monday and the date is the 11th, Alan?

Alan:  It is, yes.

Jackie:  It is the 11th of July, folks, in the year 2005. I can usually remember the year, Alan.

Alan:  Yes. That's a good sign.

Jackie:  Dates just absolutely totally escape me. We have Alan Watt with us tonight. I was out in the garden until 8:30 and certainly not prepared and Alan is always just so gracious and kindly agreed to come on with us and we didn't really have anything set. Well, we don’t normally anyway, I guess, do we, Alan?

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Except sometimes I say well I'd like to talk about that and what I'd like to talk about right now is you're in northern Canada and your temperature today was 111 degrees.

Alan:  That's right. 111 and it stayed there for hours and only started to cool down about an hour ago. It's about 86 right now.

Jackie:  Well that's a blessing.

Alan:  Emergency stations opened up in some cities called "cooling centers" where they'd rush people to cool down.

Jackie:  And you don't know if they're claiming that records have been set?

Alan:  They haven't said anything so far, as far as I know.

Jackie:  Do you know if temperatures like this in the area where you are – I mean were they at one time common or normal, Alan?

Alan:  No. This is not normal at all and especially further north. I mean these temperatures should be close to the Equator but not this far north.

Jackie:  Yes, really and I would think that you would probably have at the most days in the 80s and probably cool evenings. That's the way it used to be here. When we moved here 10 years ago we would have – it could be a very beautiful maybe 80-85 degrees go down to 55 at night and it's beautiful sleeping weather, but to have 111 degrees. That's like out in Dead Valley. Is that Death Valley?

Alan:  With humidity on top of that.

Jackie:  With humidity, yes. Is there a formula for figuring out, well I suppose there is. If the temperature is 110 and the humidity is like what 70 percent, figuring out the actual heat factor, Alan.

Alan:  Up here you've got so many lakes as well so the more heat you get the more evaporation into the air and it gets terribly, terribly humid, but this is ridiculous the way it is right now. Even if you're sitting still, you're soaked. They can do wonders these days with science.

Jackie:  Yes, they can, can't they?

Alan:  They're dosing the skies with all these chemicals. Then they cause the smog as they call it and then they blame the public for driving and then causing the smog, which is coming down from the aircraft above you. The idea is to get everybody off the road and the public will because they never look up at the sky. They'll believe what they're told and they'll say by God it's getting warmer and it certainly is some kind of smog so maybe we should stop driving.

Jackie:  And global warming and we have to be good little citizens and car-pool and give up our second car.

Alan:  Then eventually they'll move us in towards the cities, the habitat areas, and that's the agenda. How else do you get the public to move? You cause the problems and then you force them to move. That's standard.

Jackie:  Think about it. It's the same way they caused the environmental problem and I tell you it occurred to me, when we were going – I think I mentioned this before. When Chuck and I were going to the watershed meetings and they had the Army Corp of Engineers come out and this one woman brought a video to show us because we had so many questions and she wanted to answer our concerns. They showed actual photographs, movie film of the pollution that was coming out of the factories right directly into the rivers and she said our problem used to be point source pollution because we knew exactly where it was coming from, we got all of our wonderful laws passed that prohibits it, but now the problem is non-point source pollution. Well, you know what that is, Alan? It's runoff from the farmers' fields. And they're starting to – well, I won't say who this person is, but this person has two horses and about 40 acres for the horses to graze on and they've already been to visit this person to find out what they're going to do with that damn horse manure that's being dropped on the fields, Alan. That's sick.

Alan:  Again, this is all the agenda and it's going to get more and more ridiculous as they go along.

Jackie:  I'll tell you one more thing that just springs to mind. I have a report here for an environmental working group out of Washington, D.C. and they discovered all kinds of toxic metals that were being put into the fertilizer that was sold to the farmers for their fields. I mean we're talking cadmium, nickel, lead, all kinds of heavy metals et cetera, because there was no congressional oversight, okay. Well, the farmers, well guess what? Because there's no congressional oversight they don't have to put on the bags – there was arsenic in it and that kind of stuff. They don't have to put on the bags that these ingredients are in the fertilizer, so the farmers put this fertilizer on the fields and then they get the farmers for polluting the streams with these toxic metals, Alan.

Alan:  Sure. Sure they do. Everything is a setup because everything is a plan and they must make the plan come to fruition by causing the problems and so they are responsible for it in the first place, just like they're responsible for spraying the skies on a daily basis and at night as well. This stuff is coming down. It's in the rainwater. It's in the snow even in the wintertime and of course they can also cause this intense refraction of sunlight. Once you have the air saturated with metallic particles, billions and billions and trillions of tiny metallic particles, they act like mirrors you see and they reflect the light back and forth all the time so it simply doesn't hit the earth or bounce back and go into outer space. It's bouncing through all these mirrors and this is causing the warming effect and this has been noticed in previous years when they've been spraying heavily. They cause the problem, sure, and then they blame the public for causing it and unfortunately it works pretty well because the public never look up at the sky.

Jackie:  I know. My new neighbor going to be across the road, Donnie, was out brush-hogging tonight, stopped and we chatted a bit before I came and we happened to be standing out there and they happened to be chemtrailing us. I had talked to Donnie about this before but you could tell it just didn't gel and I said look up there. There's a chemtrail, Donnie, and he looked up and he said yep, ah-ha, and then there were two more over towards the west and so I just started talking to him about it. I got some emails about this and that was way back then, wasn't it, Alan?

Alan:  It was.

Jackie:  And I was reading it and I just quite – I didn't disbelieve it but I needed some proof and then I got calls from friends. A call from a friend in Ohio, her husband is a doctor. She said Jackie, I don't know what's going on in the skies but she said you ought to see they've been putting these lines down and they're puffing up and she said everybody is sick and I said oh my, my. Well, I'm going to fax you or email you some information that I have. Three days later I get a call from a friend in Denver. She told me the same thing. She said they've been laying these trails north and south for half the day and then they turn them east and west. She said there's a perfect checkerboard up there and she said everybody's windows have this greasy-like film on it, car windows et cetera. So, Alan, I started talking about it and I am telling you I got calls from all over the country. All over the country and I had never seen them, but I was telling Donnie all this and so he was listening to me because it was my awakening so to speak and I said I was telling our listeners I was doing the broadcast at 6 p.m. at the time and whenever this happened it was the sun was beginning to set over there in the west and I could see it out the door from my studio and that night I was saying well I've never seen a chemtrail. See, we live in the country and I happened to look up and there was a perfect X in the sky, Alan, and I watched the plane putting the underline under the X. That was my first experience actually seeing one of these things. Although I have lots of photographs that listeners have sent.

Alan:  Yes, but Joe Average can see them for himself if he wants to look up once in a while because they're doing it everywhere.

Jackie:  They don't see it when they look up, Alan.No, they don't. I told you this I believe that when – the children know what chemtrails are, my grandchildren, and Jody was telling me that she and Ashy and Ashy's boyfriend were outside one day and Jody looked up and there they were, laying the chemtrails, and she said look up there Ash and Ash said oh my God. Mama would be having fits right now and her boyfriend said what. She said well look up there and he looked up and he said what and then she had to explain to him what the hell he was (excuse my language) what he was seeing, Alan. He looked up and said what.

Alan:  I've seen it even at a local fill-up station and right above the sky there was a mess of trails and they were still laying them and I just mentioned it to the guy who was filling the tank in my vehicle and he just casually glanced up and yeah, yeah. It didn't penetrate.

Jackie:  No. Well see that's what I saw happen with Donnie and I proceeded to go through this little story to him and then he went huh. I said just watch it Donnie. Watch it pop up. I stopped in a little plant store when I did grocery shopping last week and told the lady there about them, Alan.

Alan:  See, that's what Zbigniew Brzezinski talked about in his books with "The Technetronic Era," which is to do with mind control for the masses and he said that "shortly the public will be unable to think for themselves. Instead, they will be downloaded with their thoughts from the previous day's news and that's all they'll be able to talk about."  In other words, if the news does not mention something they themselves will dismiss it if they see it.

Jackie:  It doesn't register, does it?

Alan:  No, because technically they've got to a stage where they don't think for themselves. They expect the media is there to do their thinking for them and will tell them what they should think about or worry about or be concerned about, therefore if the media doesn't mention the fact they're being sprayed, and you do, then they will ignore what you say.

Jackie:  Yes, exactly.

Alan:  It has to come from the media.

Jackie:  It's the same thing with people when you show them the poison warning on toothpaste.If you swallow more than enough to brush your teeth, seek medical help or call a poison center immediately. Keep away from children under six. We start teaching our children to brush their teeth when they get teeth, Alan, and nobody reads that, but you show it to them and they just go, oh, I didn't know that. It's poisoned.

Alan:  I know.

Jackie:  And you know what I was just wondering? We've talked about this on the air. I wonder if we have any listener listening to this broadcast that brushes their teeth with fluoride toothpaste and if they do, unless you're a new listener and this is all new to you, then what would somebody do when they realize that they know this but they're still doing it if they realize it?

Alan:  Well, it's doublethink. I mean it's doublethink if they know something is poisonous but because the ads are still on TV, the smiling faces and happy people, it confuses them. They can't go all the way with the fact that it's poisonous because they, the big THEY, those that look after us in a socialistic system, they obviously wouldn't do that to us to harm us.

Jackie:  Do you think that any of our listeners think that big brother government is benevolent?

Alan:  Unfortunately, you do have some.

Jackie:  Really?

Alan:  They can't quite get it because – see, the ordinary people cannot imagine evil on such a grand scale being committed upon the people by agendas which your own government participates in. I don't think there's been one politician in any Western country come out and publicly talked about the chemtrails overhead – not one.

Jackie:  Well of course they wouldn't. Of course they wouldn't.

Alan:  Therefore some people, unfortunately, because they don't talk about it at all, the person who still thinks government is real becomes confused and thinks "if they don't talk about it, maybe it's nothing at all."

Jackie:  What about the person that sees the poison on the toothpaste tube? It's the same thing.

Alan:  They are pretty well in doublethink as they say. They're able to hold two opposing opinions in their head at the same time about the same subject, which means at least on this subject they're psychotic.

Jackie:  So in other words they could say I know that's true but I really don't believe it?

Alan:  Yes, and yet that same person if you said to them drink a pint of gasoline, they'd think you're crazy and you say why don't you drink the gasoline? Because it's poison. We know that's poison. What does it say here about the fluoride? Well, it says it's poison. Are you going to keep using it? Oh yeah. That's doublethink right there. They cannot believe those smiling faces or the authorities would allow ads on TV that would harm them. They truly believe that all business is there to be benevolent. They believe that and that's a tragedy. Brzezinski said it. The people would give over their own ability to think and make decisions for themselves. He says they will give it over to experts and the authority and unfortunately people have been raised now to actually believe that that's what the media is there for, it's to do their thinking and to be their watchdog for them, and of course it never was and it certainly is not now.

Jackie:  Because you know it occurs to me people that believe that we have to go to Iraq because they have weapons of mass destruction. I know because I saw it on the news. Well now, people are beginning to realize that this was a hoax because guess what? They've announced it. The media itself has said there were no weapons of mass destruction.

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  And now they believe it, but I wonder how they feel about the war, even "Saddam Hussein was a tyrant. We had to go over there and take him out."

Alan:  It was on the news here when even they had the inquires into it after it was all over and there was a panel there with George Bush on it and Colin Powell and a few others and George Bush said at the time, when he was asked the question, he said, "oh I never said that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11," and that is true.

Jackie:  Did he really?

Alan:  They left it to the media to eventually infer that Saddam Hussein was connected with it and so he justified it by saying "well the world's better off with Saddam Hussein there anyway."  That was his justification for it.

Jackie:  What about Osama Bin Laden?

Alan:  Oh, he's all forgotten about now.

Jackie:  Yes, well you know what? I got an email and of course, just because there's photographs that looks like Osama Bin Laden doesn't mean it's true, but that it's possible he's not even alive today.

Alan:  It's possible he never existed.

Jackie:  Well, that's a possibility too, isn't it? Although the Bin Laden family was very closely connected to the Bush's.

Alan:  They've done documentaries for the CBC to show you that the Bush family and the Bin Laden family were actually business partners.

Jackie:  Yes, they were.

Alan:  In fact the family who got the rebuilding job of the Twin Towers after the first bombing was the Bin Laden Construction Group.

Jackie:  You're kidding.

Alan:  No. And that was Daddy Bush that awarded them the contract.

Jackie:  Oh my God.

Alan:  So they're all in bed together.

Jackie:  But you're saying maybe – well, I think Osama Bin Laden probably did exist. He was a CIA asset, I think. I don't know.

Alan:  He took the place of Goldstein in "1984." You always have to have a bad guy hiding that you never catch who does all these terrible things and with all their high-tech technology and millions of cameras in London even--

Jackie:  Wait, wait. Okay, it took me a little bit to compute what you said, Goldstein in "1984." I was wondering who the heck Goldstein was and I didn't realize you were talking about the book, Orwell's book, and Goldstein was the terrorist, wasn't he?

Alan:  All you ever saw was him on video. You never actually saw the person, just a figure on the video that they told you was Goldstein that was behind all the world's terror and it's the same with this Bin Laden. They can't find the guy – with all their equipment and millions of spies all over the world and the fact that they've infiltrated every group you could possibly imagine, in fact they sponsor most of them; and with all the cameras everywhere in London they couldn't even stop these bombings. Now who's kidding who?

Jackie:  There was a French newspaper that printed a story that Bin Laden had been in a hospital undergoing kidney dialysis--

Alan:  That's right, he was.

Jackie:  And that the CIA had actually been to visit him, and so maybe he didn't exist but I think there probably was somebody; but their whole point was they just threw his name out there like they did with what's his name at Murrah Federal Building.

Alan:  The fact is the Bin Laden family are actually Arabic nobility, so for one to split off from the rest of his family and supposedly go in the opposite direction is almost impossible. However, they needed a Bin Laden for that time because they already had all those countries slated for attack back in the 1990's in the New American Century Plan that was set up by Cheney and Bush and Wolfowitz and a whole bunch of them. They had that in their order that they wanted to attack Afghanistan first, then Iraq, then Iran, then Syria and that was all first done in 1992 then it was rewritten for the New American Century group, which is the group that Cheney and Wolfowitz belong to. They republished it in 1998 and sure enough, in 2001, they started the invasion right in that same sequence, so this was planned years ago to take over the Middle East.

Jackie:  Yes and that brings to mind Norman Dodd when he got into the records of the Carnegie Foundation, their minutes of their meetings. They planned – and it was probably planned well before, but maybe this was the finalization, their details of World War I. This was in 1906 and they said well we should probably start it in the Balkans because that's always been a place of unrest. And I'll be a son of a gun, but they didn't start it until after 1914, wasn't it?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And I don't know where I've read this, Alan. They didn't want to do it, have that war until the Federal Reserve Act passed in the U.S. so the American people could pay for the war.

Alan:  That's right. It was all done to bring in world government and that's why they wanted the League of Nations set up to be the precursor of the UN but to bring in world government. H.G. Wells who worked for the British government as a propagandist, in fact the term he put out there, the propaganda term was "this is the war to end all wars," and so that was the slogan that all the troops in the world went by and died by, thinking they were going to bring in a more better world, you see.

Jackie:  Oh, because they thought they would get their League of Nations in at that time. Woodrow Wilson was pushing that, wasn't he?

Alan:  Yes. In fact, America funded most of the meetings.

Jackie:  And prior to the League of Nations they called it The League to Enforce Peace.

Alan:  That's right. Before that, it was the Concert of Europe. They've tried this for a long time and after World War I, H.G. Wells wrote in "The Open Conspiracy" (this was a non-fictional work), he said not enough countries are willing to give up their sovereignty so we shall have to have another world war, which they did. Everything that happens, every major occurrence which happens is planned that way long in advance. Everything, just like the New American Century in the '90's planned to establish what they called the democratic system in all the Moslem countries. Nothing happens spontaneously. Nothing happens by itself. It's all planned way ahead of time, including the finances which would be involved and even how much taxation they would need from the public to pay for it. All of this is planned in strategy.

Jackie:  It's very clearly laid out in the Protocols back in the last three or four Protocols, Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. You talk about a controlled economy, Alan.

Alan:  This is a controlled economy.

Jackie:  They laid it out beautifully. We have to take a break. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back with you in about a minute or a minute and a half with Alan Watt. Stay with us. Okay, we're back. Alan has written his third book and it is available now. If you haven't read I and II, you really should do that first because they really follow one another.

Folks, for those of you who are maybe fairly new listeners to try to imagine that everything that we have thought that we knew, everything we've been taught in history really happened, to find out that it's all a lie is really quite unbelievable. Alan started actually coming on air with us around in December of '98 and we did five weeks together. Alan pretty much blew our minds away with the ancient history and I kept telling our listeners I don't know that what Alan is telling us is true because I have not done this research and I have not read the books and know the things that he's telling us, so I kept in a sense warning our listeners not to take it in like it's gospel truth but to consider it. Then I started getting mail from listeners – things, their copies of old books et cetera, et cetera and say, look, this is exactly what Alan has been telling us and finally Alan really didn't have a choice. Well, he did and he made the right one of course, but to sit down and put this in writing, but it isn't just Alan's commentary. There are photocopies of ancient books, folks, that it gets to a point where you cannot deny it, as much as you would like to, and I can tell you for myself that there was a period of time where I felt that – in fact I said this to Alan one day. I said I feel like I'm in another world some place and nothing I see looks real to me and Alan says that's a very good place to start and I know that that is to open our minds.

You know you can't just wash out all that garbage that's been in it but you can replace it. You can replace it with truth or as close as we can get to truth because let's face it. If we aren't there – if we haven't been there ourselves we don't actually know, but, Alan, will you forgive me for going on like this?

Alan:  Carry on.

Jackie:  Folks, I remember one time I challenged him, kind of. I do that every now and then, and I asked him how many books he had read and he said oh I don't know, about 1,000 or maybe he said thousands, I don't know. I said well how do you know that the books that you've read are truth and the one thing that he told me that I have noticed, folks, and I know that this is so, although I cannot prove it of course, but when you read enough and you read from varied authors and various histories and there's a thread that runs through. As Alan said, you're never going to get all the truth in one book, but when you put enough of it together there is a thread that runs through that you know that there is truth there. Getting back to his books, this is what he has done with books I, II, and III and book three is called "Cutting Through."  Alan, I don't remember which titles are the first two.

Alan:  It's okay to call it I and II and III.

Jackie:  Yes, I, II and III because it is cutting through the BS, isn't it?  As I said earlier if you don't have I and II you would want to start there. If you have I and II you definitely will want to have number III.  [See www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information.]

Anyway, back to what we were talking about. I had a thought just before we took our break. All the stuff we talk about sounds like such a downer sometimes, Alan, and remember I told you I'm reading novels, a series of books that I had read sometime past about ancient people. The one I'm on right now is about the Cahokia Illinois mound builders and they weave the story. There's a huge bibliography at the end of it so there is probably some history interwoven into the novel but it made me think about this last night. Cahokia evidentially at that time was the huge distribution center for all of the other tribes that lived near by and they got this ruler in – this is of course a novel. The people paid tribute to Cahokia to keep trade going, the traders that came in, but anyway there were people who defied this just totally powerful thousands of man's army and such and such and they would go to the villages or to where their clans stayed and they would say well where's your tribute. Well, we can't give it to you because our people will starve. They'll die. Okay fine, we'll kill you and then there were those that defied it and made me think about this, Alan.

Even though they plan it so beautifully and so perfectly, it doesn't mean that we should sit back and do nothing and say oh well they're so almighty powerful that there's no sense in making a phone call or whatever somebody is led to do. There's no sense in it. I have a feeling that every tiny little thing that each and every one of us do makes a difference and at least sort of derails it every now and then. So I guess that's what I wanted to say, that we shouldn't get to a point where we just creep and give up.

Alan:  Oh no. We do have to realize too that the motto that this system goes by, the ones who cause the problems, is that the end justifies the means, which means that they are totally ruthless and they will do whatever it takes – whatever it takes at all to achieve their objectives, so we have to realize what we're dealing with.

Jackie:  Oh absolutely.

Alan:  It's like Tony Blair in England. He was ready to go out. The people didn't want him. Nobody wanted him. Even the Party didn't want him.

Jackie:  Does this have anything to do with that memo that came forth?

Alan:  It’s way more than that. It's all the lies he told about the weapons of mass destruction, the fuzzy photographs they used to say that they were rocket launchers, which turned out to be trailers for weather balloons that Britain had sold them. Lie after lie after lie, and the fact that none of his party wanted this. It was only him to go to war.

Jackie:  It's become public now.

Alan:  And so they were ready to kick him out and the public this week were ready to have a mass demonstration and maybe even riots in the streets over the new ID card that they've been told they're going to get; and lo and behold, right on cue, the so-called mysterious bombers bombed London, which put Tony Blair back up there on the grandstand: "Oh, I'm here to protect you. We're doing all that we can. It's these nasty Moslems that did this, a brand new cell that we didn't even know existed," which is the biggest joke of all you know and it happened right on cue. You couldn't get better terrorists as friends for Tony Blair than they've got right now.

Jackie:  You couldn't what?

Alan:  You couldn't get better friends as terrorists. If they were real terrorists they would just leave it the way it's going and Tony Blair would get kicked out--

Jackie:  Oh right. Okay.

Alan:  You see and his party as well and also the public would have their riots in the streets about the ID card; but, lo and behold, right on cue, when they needed him most, the mysterious Bin Laden's group blows up a few buses and things and this is all out the window now, we're back to war again.

Jackie:  Are they blaming this on Bin Laden?

Alan:  It was a brand new faction that they didn't know existed. The famous MI6 that had infiltrators in every group on the whole planet didn't know that this group existed and they have millions of cameras all over London but not one picked them up doing this.

Jackie:  Oh my.

Alan:  It's so mysterious. We're all amazed. So it's a joke.

Jackie:  So now Tony Blair gets off the hook.

Alan:  And the public cannot bring themselves to imagine that there are evil people running their country that would go to these lengths, kill their own people to justify a warfare. That's why this technique works. That's why it works. They say the end justifies the means. To them, if they had to kill half a million people or a million people, they would do that if they thought it was worthwhile in their cause.

Jackie:  Yes they would. You know that brings us back to the spiritual nature of man and the fact that we don't know from one day to the next what is going to happen, so therefore the most important thing that we can do and I think you said this in your own little – when I say little it wasn't what you say is little, but you said it all comes down to the individual.

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  And I'm just of course expanding on it as I have a tendency to do, but that getting conscious of our spiritual nature. Learning to listen to the voice within us and I don't mean like we hear voices but when we know that something we're doing is wrong to stop it and it doesn't matter even if it means your job, that you say no. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going in and stealing people's children just so the Human Health and Human Services can get $37,000.

Alan:  It's up to the individual because it's coming down to the wire and you will find most people will go – in fact they've done polls already after this bombing in London. That shows you how ready they are for all of this. They've already done polls to see how many people will take the ID card now. Suddenly they claim anyway it's now about 85 percent, which is about right actually because study after study for the last 100 years has found about 87 percent of public will always do what they're told and so this bombing has been good for the ID card, which is "must be" in Masonic terminology. It was ready years ago but they must get it through now. There's only about 3 percent at any time who are actually awake to everything and I mean by that fully awake. There are other people who are caught at different levels. They're part in the system, part out of the system. They're part believers still in the system, but only 3 percent are truly conscious at any one time and it will come down to what are you going to do when they say you've got to take this card; and the card is only the precursor to the chip.

Jackie:  We have a call here. Hello, you're on the air.

Storm:  Yes, Alan. Are you there?

Jackie:  Yes. You can't hear him but he can hear you.

Storm:  Okay, I've got you okay. He can hear me but I can't hear him?

Jackie:  Yes, right.

Storm:  I've got you. Alan, it's Storm. I'm a frequent caller of Jackie's. He is talking there it sounds really heavy and interesting. I'm glad I caught you at the right time. First of all, Alan, I believe that Blair knew about that bomb. I believe that possibly I can't prove it--

 

Jackie:  Storm, that's exactly what he said.

Storm:  No. But I believe he did it. I believe he had something to do with it. In other words, I think him and Queen Elizabeth had something to do with that bombing.

Jackie:  They don't dirty their hands, Storm.

Storm:  That doesn't mean they don't have something to do with it. They can give the orders and let somebody else do it. MI5--

Jackie:  You don't understand, honey. There are people behind the scenes giving them orders.

Storm:  Yes, but that would be the Queen though if you're talking about--

Jackie:  Okay, Storm.

Storm:  Oh, you don't think the Queen has given Blair orders?

Jackie:  Alan, would you like to comment on this?

Alan:  The Queen doesn't give any orders.

Jackie:  Okay. Well, Storm, hang up and Alan will comment on this.

Storm:  Okay.

Jackie:  Thanks.

Alan:  The Queen doesn't even have to have anything to do with this. She knows the agenda and that's all that she actually cares about.

Jackie:  She doesn’t have to know the dirty little details.

Alan:  Oh no.

Jackie:  They don't dirty their hands.

Alan:  Blair is the same too. There is a worldwide agenda here. It's not a handful of people. There are many people involved in it.

Jackie:  Blair is a puppet.

Alan:  Oh, absolutely. Mind you, I mean he must accomplish his mission too and therefore his head would probably roll if he doesn't because he's been the main cheerleader for this war from the beginning and he knows that too and there's no one else really who's so pro-war to take his place so he's got to keep there. These bombings have helped him tremendously as I say to get back up there on center stage again. "I'm big daddy here to protect you."

Jackie:  It doesn't mean that Blair didn't have an idea this was going to happen.

Alan:  I'm sure he would have forewarning.

Jackie:  Exactly.

Alan:  In fact, Netanyahu was over there for the G8 meeting over there; and of course in Masonic terminology, eight is as above so below, the number eight, the two circles joined together above and below, and that's what it means. It also means money and power in Masonic terminology and G before 8 means "gate" so this is a gateway. There's a whole language here which the public has no idea about but all Masons understand. They were meeting over in Britain at the time of this bombing. They were in Scotland but Benjamin Netanyahu was over there as well in London and he was told not to move from his room. They knew that these bombs were going to go off, so yes they knew. It was a must-be. They had to get the ball rolling once more. It had been stalled by public opinion and now of course they can rush ahead with their ID cards and of course they pinpointed Iran right away, which is next on the list that they drew up in the 1990's. Afghanistan, then Iraq and so Iran's next and they said they believe this new terrorist cell – this is about five minutes after the bombing – they believe this new terrorist cell has been kept and trained and are based in Iran.

Jackie:  Oh. They didn't know who it was. Very mysterious. Never knew about them before.

Alan:  This is how all of this is done, you see.

Jackie:  Yes, it's how it's all done.

Alan:  It's like the passport that fluttered down from the Twin Towers when this explosion of jet fuel went off and this immaculate passport fluttered down off one of the supposed terrorists, not a scratch mark anywhere and so that pinpointed who did it, you see.

Jackie:  Whoever you are, caller, turn your radio down.

Storm:  Yes, okay. I was going to say that Queen Elizabeth ordered the deaths of some people in Ireland a while ago when they were trying to get them out of Ireland we know this was like many years ago. But that's not true. The Queen can give orders to murder and bump people off and it has happened before. There was also some evidence somewhere that she might have caused the person, the boyfriend that was going with Diana so I'm not talking about there but no the Queen--

Jackie:  Okay, okay. Storm, we're almost out of time here.

Storm:  But she's one of the top people of the illuminati of the world. TLC British petroleum. She meets at the Bilderberger meetings. She's in with the top people with the Rockefellers. She's one of the top people of the world. There's no doubt about that.

Jackie:  Okay. Thanks Storm. Any comment, Alan?

Alan:  The Queen doesn't have to deal with any of it at all. She knows the agenda. She knows the money side of it. She knows – she's been told that this elite must always be in control of the people. The methods are irrelevant to her. It's all done for her and as far as Lady Di goes, the reason she was suddenly called from Princess Diana to Lady Di by the press was because that's a Masonic terminology that the lady was going to die.

Jackie:  Oh my God.

Alan:  That's in your face.

Jackie:  Lady Di. Oh my God.

Alan:  See, people don't even know what they read.

Jackie:  Well of course not, Alan. Well, I didn't.

Alan:  You see, so it's always in your face, so much so that the public never see it for themselves.

Jackie:  I think that Storm – well, he listens to a lot of other broadcasts and has a tendency to take in what he's hearing as truth and I don't think he just quite understands that she's almost the same kind of puppet that George Bush is. She's a figurehead.

Alan:  That's a fact.

Jackie:  She's a figurehead and the people that have controlled the kings and queens and pharaohs et cetera down through the ages have the same kind of control, so she knows the agenda. She lets it happen but I think that it would be good if people could just understand that the heads of nations are at there at the behest of the controllers.

Alan:  Absolutely. You know 200 BC there was a pharaoh in Egypt who found out that he was not the boss and he was surrounded by priests who decided who he would see and who he would not see and often he wouldn't even know that people had come to talk to him.

Jackie:  Oh that was [Tuten] – what's his name?

Alan:  Long before him, and he actually tried to jump out the window to meet people that he saw had been turned away by the priests to find out what they were there to see him for. The priests were always in control and it's no different today. It doesn't mean that these elite people are not part of certain bloodlines and they're very pompous and they truly believe they are superior. They do believe they are superior, but they are not the ones that sit and plan all this. This is planned by strategical think thinks.

Jackie:  And they don't give the orders.

Alan:  They don't have to.

Jackie:  No, they don't have to. We're out of our hour and thank you for taking the time to be with us tonight, Alan.

Alan:  It's a pleasure on a very hot night.

Jackie:  Well, keep cool. Have you got your fans going?

Alan:  Yes, I do.

Jackie:  Oh good. Well say hello to your guests for me.

Alan:  I will do.

Jackie:  Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back with you tomorrow night. Thanks for being here and thanks again, Alan. Good night.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Good night, folks.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for being here with us tonight on Sweet Liberty. It is Tuesday. It is the 12th of July in the year 2005 and I know that's so because I looked at my calendar just before we came on the air. Alan is with us again tonight. Alan Watt, our wonderful friend. We're going to – well, we'll see what comes up. We never really plan what our conservation is going to be. However, we are going to talk about chemtrails tonight for one thing. Alan, thanks for being here again tonight.

Alan:  Yes, it's a pleasure.

Jackie:  I've been spending so much time outside and there are things on my mind that I've wanted to talk about and I found a video that somebody sent me that Clifford Carnicom had done and I thought when I found it – this was just a couple of days ago. I really ought to get a hold of him and see if we can bring him on the air. I think he's a credible person. Anyway, I pulled my email in tonight, which I haven't done for about three days.

Anyway, I found this email, Alan, and this says "Chemtrails: A Meeting" and a Robert McNamara quote. This isn't long and I think you would like to hear it. First, the quote is at the end of this but I want to do this first, a quote from Robert McNamara, October 2nd, 1979. He said:

            "There are only two possible ways that a world of 10 billion people…"

Now are there 10 billion people in this world?

Alan:  They can make the figure whatever they want.

Jackie:  Yes they can. Six billion for some reason was in my mind.

            "There are only two possible ways a world of 10 billion people can be averted. Either the current birthrate must come down more quickly or current death rates must go up. There is no other way. There are, of course, many ways in which the death rates can go up. In a thermonuclear age, wars can accomplish it very quickly and decisively. Famine and disease are nature’s ancient checks on population growth, and neither one has disappeared from the scene…. “To put it simply: Excessive population growth is the greatest single obstacle to the economic and social advancement of most of the societies in the developing world.”

Now I just want to remind our listeners who heard us do this, the math has been done taking the square miles of Texas if we figure six billion people, it seems, if I'm not mistaken, that a family of four – there's so many square feet. In other words, the State of Texas can hold all of the people on this Earth if there are six billion people and it's enough square footage that I think a family of four would have almost an acre. I might be wrong. Now that's not piling people on top of each other in cities, Alan.

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  For God's sake. Anyway, here's the meeting. The meeting has already taken place and it took place on Friday, July 8th at 11:30 – excuse me. This is when this was sent, Friday July 8th, 2005. It says:

"A Meeting by Clifford E. Carnicom

A meeting has taken place recently between an investigative researcher and a well placed military source. The identity of both parties is to be protected. The source has intimate knowledge of at least one aspect of the aerosol operations, and asserts the following:

 

1. The operation is a joint project between the Pentagon and the pharmaceutical industry.

2. The Pentagon wishes to test biological diseases for war purposes on unsuspecting populations. It was stated that SARS is a failure as the expected rate of mortality was intended to be 80%."

Jackie:  Alan, I don't know if there ever was such a thing as SARS.

Alan:  I know that it killed less people than the common flu did.

Jackie:  Yes, there you go. It's like the West Nile virus. We don't know really if anybody ever – okay, let me go on here. These are the assertions of these people.

3. The pharmaceutical industry is making trillions on medications designed to treat both fatal and non-fatal diseases given to populations.
4. The bacteria and viruses are freeze-dried and then placed on fine filaments for release.

 

Jackie:  That would be from the chemtrails, right?Number 5. There's 10 of these.

5.   The metals released along with the diseases heat up from the sun, creating…"

Jackie:  You were telling us about this last night, Alan.

"…creating a perfect environment for the bacteria and viruses to thrive in the air supply.
6.  Most countries being sprayed are unaware of the activities and they have not consented to the activities. He states that commercial aircraft flying are one of the delivery systems."

Jackie:  Now do you believe that, Alan?

Alan:  Commercial, no.

Jackie:  I don't either.

7.   Most of the "players" are old friends and business partners of the senior Bush."

Jackie:  I don't know about this.

8. The ultimate goal is the control of all populations through directed and accurate spraying of drugs, diseases, etc.
9. People who have tried to reveal the truth have been imprisoned and killed."

Jackie:  I don't know anything about that, do you?

Alan:  No.

"10.  This is the most dangerous and dark time that I have experienced in all of my years of serving this country."

Jackie:  Now this was evidentially one of these – he said at the meeting it was an investigative researcher, which was probably Clifford Carnicom, and a well placed military source. Well you know what? I think Clifford Carnicom got conned.

Alan:  I'd say so. It's probably Bo Gritz or somebody, yes.

Jackie:  He says:  "This information is relayed without qualification, as I am as I am knowledgeable in the level of integrity of the researcher that has made this information available to the public. There is both risk and restraint that has been exercised in the preparation of this statement." I don't know.

Alan:  No. It's disinformation.

Jackie:  Yes, sounds like it to me, Alan.

Alan:  The whole thing began with the Open Skies Treaty and every country in the West signed on to this. It was never explained to the public what it really was, although they did legally put a few paragraphs here and there in the newspapers in Canada and it was so vague that you didn't get much out of it except that foreign pilots were allowed to fly over Canadian and U.S. bases in various areas for observation purposes. However, when you look into it deeper and get copies of this Open Skies Treaty there are observers observing the observers. In other words, the observers are observing the ones that are spraying the public to make sure they're doing it. A second blurb occurred about a year ago in the Canadian newspapers, just one more paragraph, saying that now foreign pilots could use domestic Air Force planes to do the same duties over Canadian skies under the Open Skies Treaty, so it's under the Open Skies Treaty. The only countries that never signed it were China and a couple of the Far Eastern countries and Switzerland and they're the only countries who are not being sprayed.

Jackie:  Would the jet planes then be carrying in their fuel?

Alan:  It could be in the fuel and it could be in extra tanks. They can do it either way.

Jackie:  But then the pilots that are flying these planes, they have to know that there's an extra tank on it?

Alan:  They know what they're doing because if they were commercial aircraft they wouldn't be doing zigzag patterns across the skies.

Jackie:  Hell no they wouldn't.

Alan:  Either that or it's a very drunken pilot.

Jackie:  No, but I was thinking of the military planes.

Alan:  They know what they're doing and I think it's foreign pilots that will spray over Canada and the U.S. and the deal is that our pilots will be over there spraying their countries – kind of like a Dr. Strangelove policy, you see, and that makes perfect sense. No, it's not commercial aircraft because you can actually see the commercial aircraft with the usual contrails disappearing about a foot after--

Jackie:  And they're flying very, very high.

Alan:  Yes and in a straight line, whereas these guys do as you said checkerboard patterns. I've seen them do u-turns as well and the stuff that they lay down forms these odd-looking polymer clouds. Now we know that the polymer and that's what gives the rainbow bursts around the sun towards sunset especially.

Jackie:  What is polymer?

Alan:  Polymer is basically forms of plastic particles from polyethylene. They found in the 1950's that they could use this particular compound to bring viruses and bacteria down to a vast area and cover a large area and the polymer was the carrying agent. That was officially disclosed in the 1950's and they were actually testing some areas in Britain with it then to see if it would carry viruses or bacterium down to the ground and even under a National Health System of course they could have all the data of how many people had asthma or bronchial attacks et cetera. All the testing has been done and they're doing it for real now. I'm sure it will also weaken the immune system. We know for sure there's aluminum oxide in it and barium and--

Jackie:  Now how do we know that for sure, Alan?

Alan:  It has been tested and I know some people who've recently done tests on them.

Jackie:  You know the people personally?

Alan:  Yes and the last test had 2 percent per liter contained for aluminum oxide alone.

Jackie:  And what is the aluminum oxide?

Alan:  Aluminum oxide does a few things. It can be used in conjunction with HAARP and this has been disclosed a long time ago that HAARP, which travels with electromagnetic pulsations through the atmosphere, can act more effectively when it has metallic surfaces. In other words, it makes it more conductive that the air becomes conductive like a circuit and again if your target happens to be the population--

Jackie:  When you say conductive are you taking about let's say if there's an electrical storm?

Alan:  No. They send out pulses. In fact they said with HAARP they can literally pulse out messages which the public would receive in their head, and this is old technology, and so the more conductive the subject is by either inhaling or consuming or whatever, we're doing both, with aluminum oxide especially or any metallic substance. There's also copper, by the way, traces found in this spray.

Jackie:  But more than the body can tolerate.

Alan:  Copper should not be in rainwater or snow.

Jackie:  Right. Because copper is one of the trace minerals that is found in the body, isn't it?

Alan:  It is; but as I say, this is coming from rainwater. You've got copper in the sky.

Jackie:  In other words, more copper than the body needs or can handle?

Alan:  Yes, so they're making each individual a receptor, which makes perfect sense, and they have admitted that they've tried HAARP out on large population areas. Maine was one of the first main places that they tried it out on and they found out that easiest thing they can do, the simplest thing they can do is to create alterations and mood either from elation or to anger and depression and they found a tremendous high suicide rate at that time. They found domesticated animals were going crazy and biting their owners and so alternations of moods are easily affected with HAARP and depending on the frequency they use they can also make you elated, as though you were drugged basically and happy.

Jackie:  Mood swings, in other words. Then these people who have the mood swings they get diagnosed as being bipolar and they get given drugs.

Alan:  This all falls in together but it also after time especially the aluminum oxide will help destroy your immune system and since they do – this is the regular television CBC news and BBC news, they keep having international conferences every month or so talking about the inevitable flu that's going to come around the world and kill most of the people and they keep saying it's just round the corner. It's just round the corner and so they are lowering our resistance to fight off something which should not kill us, but if we're weakened in our resistance it very well might, so this is deliberate planning to control and at the same time to start the culling process. There's no doubt about it. That's the function of it. Now again Zbigniew Brzezinski--

Jackie:  And it isn't race specific?

Alan:  It doesn't seem that this flu one is as far as we know. The BBC said that their scientific surveys on this new Avian flu and they're only calling it the Avian flu because birds carry it apparently, geese and ducks et cetera, migrating birds, and they said they found two genes in this particular flu which do not occur in nature, which is another way of saying it's man-made, you see, so it's been altered to be deadly, obviously.

Jackie:  And besides that, there's been Avian flus before that didn't transfer over to humans.

Alan:  Absolutely, all dogs, cats and even mice have their own types of colds and flus which don't transfer to humans and they always have. However, today it's so simple to alter viruses and bacterium. It's so simple to do and they are doing it and they have been doing it for a while. They're going ahead with it obviously and they want to bring down the immune systems of the target areas, which of course is primarily the West. I know some people who were over in the Far East recently and as I say some of the countries like Brunei and China, they did not sign the Open Skies Treaty so they're not being sprayed and when they were over there they didn't see any of these chemtrails anywhere in the skies.

Jackie:  This was in China?

Alan:  Yes and in Brunei, quite near, Far East.

Jackie:  Think about this. The reports that I've received emails and like that it's being done in the English speaking countries England, Canada the U.S.--

Alan:  Australia.

Jackie:  Australia, but France, Germany, actually European white nations that were once basically Europeans.

Alan:  There's no doubt about it and it's happening on a daily basis and also on a nightly basis.

Jackie:  You know I thought about this with all the immigration with all the different races that are being brought into our countries. They're doing this specifically in these countries to the ones that I just mentioned. Well, you still have the Japanese, but Japan basically has only Japanese and China basically has only Chinese and India and all of those that are swarming over here, they're dispensable so they will be victims of this stuff the same way that all of we will, or all of us I guess would be more grammatically correct, and yet, Alan, it appears to be the white basically European people that are being done in.

Alan:  I'd say so. I think the bee, the busy bee, the white person, has almost fulfilled his task and they don't need him anymore. We still have a few qualities which can be utilized against the system--

Jackie:  Yes, dangerous to them.

Alan:  We're very good at retaliating if we understand why we're retaliating and of course they don't want that particular type around.

Jackie:  I think about this very often sometimes especially when I question whether continuing the broadcast makes a difference and I remember a long time ago that you said when we were talking about the Federal Reserve System, the monetary system. You said if enough people wake up to it, it's going to collapse of itself; and that stays in my mind that statement you made and then I think to myself, if nothing else, the information that people get from the Sweet Liberty broadcast is at least imparting truth. At least as close to the truth as we know it and maybe that is the prime reason because I'm going to tell you, Alan, when you listen to some of the other broadcasts that are on the air there's so much fluff and there's so much BS and so much non-essential misinformation and disinformation along with it that it's really basically keeps me doing the broadcast because I think well if Sweet Liberty goes off the air then where are people going to get the truth that are listening to what they believe to be alternative radio. And it isn't that there isn't truth that they're getting, government stuff that's going on, but it's details and details and details that we don't need to keep getting. Well, there's certain things that need to be brought out, I think. I'm not saying that all of the broadcasts are non-essential but it seems that there's so much disinformation included--

Alan:  It's deliberate. There's no doubt about it.

Jackie:  Yes, it's deliberate. We've got a call here. We’ll take it. Hello.

Storm:  Hello.

Jackie:  Yes, Storm.

Storm:  Greetings Alan and greetings to Jackie. I'm listening to what you were saying. I was listening and I'll just make this statement and hang up, that the Arabic guy that was being charged with the murder of the Dutch filmmaker said in the trials that he could be a CIA operative or connected to the CIA but he said that he did it for Allah.

Jackie:  He did a what?

Storm:  He would do it again when the mother or one of them was crying and sometimes at these murder trials you get a lot of emotional stuff like that, but he said to the mother that he'd do it again for Allah and so the point that I want to say is that in a way I think it's not good for the mother. It's not good for the victim but in a way it's good for some of the Dutch people and people at large that aren't connected with this New World Order of Holland or France. You know the ones I heard the stupid political correctness they were talking on the shortwave and in the Dutch newspapers about two years but that last [inaudible] and talking foolishness and kind of good for them because now they realize that if you let these barbarians in your country and letting those third world and all these ideals evolve and all the crap they're screwing themselves over and that's what they let in so I know--

Jackie:  It's all by design, Storm.

 

Storm:  What now?

Jackie:  Yes, thank you.

Storm:  It's going to backfire because I think it will backfire in the end because most of the people in Holland may not realize that and so as a result they're still going to be against massive multicultural influx.

 

Jackie:  A lot of people in the U.S. are against it and it just keeps happening. Storm, thanks for your comments.

Storm:  Also I wanted to ask Alan – oh, that's right, he can't hear me.

 

Jackie:  He can hear you.

Storm:  I'm going to say this and hang up. Can he maybe just describe to me what exactly the power position is Queen Elizabeth? In other words, is Rothschild above her or is she and Rothschild about on the same level? I'll hang up. Thank you.

 

Jackie:  Okay, bye. There's two things here Alan. This Allah thing, well that would be Moslem, right? I'm not familiar with what--

Alan:  The old god was EL. Here's the Masonic explanation.

Jackie:  I'm not familiar with the situation he was talking about but what caught me was that the guy said I would do it again for Allah and what its doing is their – I get so much of this stuff on the internet about Muslims et cetera.

Alan:  It's war propaganda.

Jackie:  Propaganda, yes.

Alan:  I mean let's be honest here. Who invaded who and when did the trouble start?

Jackie:  Okay. Let's talk about that after this break. Who invaded who and when did the trouble start and maybe you'll address his question about Queen Elizabeth. Folks, we're going to take a break here. Alan, you know that statement that Storm made about whatever this murder guy did and said I would do it again for Allah?  Well, that evidently is the big thing and that opens a tremendous can of worms because that's exactly what their intention here is to create hatred.

Alan:  Again, if this person and other people can't get it through their heads by checking themselves The New American Century (and apparently the New American Century website), which is the official organization of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and all the rest of them, which tell you that they intended to take over those countries back in the '90's and why they were going to take over them in that order, starting with Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Iran and so on, then there's no point in reiterating the same thing to them. They can check that themselves if they really care. This whole war was planned in the 1990's by very powerful people and very powerful corporations. Halliburton put bids in for a share of the action in 1998, so this is where you are with all of this. This is nothing more than a plan – a business plan to take over the Middle East, bring the same system of democracy, which is centralized government, a central bank owned by the World Bank and a system of debt which taxpayers then have to pay off forever. This is the one system that they're spreading worldwide and all this Allah stuff that they're using is just the propaganda, no different from the "slant-eyed Japanese" propaganda of World War II. It's the same stuff.

Jackie:  I was in the car today and I was listening to a talk show host that sounds quite a bit like Rush Limbaugh and I think that's his aim is to be the Rush Limbaugh of today, but they were advertising a book called "The Ezekiel Plan" and you should have heard the commercial. This guy, whoever wrote this thing, wrote about the Iraq war two years before they did it. He wrote a book about that. He wrote another book about something sort of like prophetic stuff, like this guy didn't have inside information and now the new book is called "The Ezekiel Plan" and it is the prophetic, it's prophesied in the Bible. In other words, they're selling it based on the damn--

Alan:  Of course, yes.

Jackie:  Then it says, "get the book, get the book to find out how much time do we have left." It's like Steve Quayle when he was talking one day on his broadcast about some terrible thing that was going to happen. I mean it was going to happen and the whole thing is going to collapse and all of this, and at the end of his broadcast then he said hurry up and get your gold before it's too late.

Alan:  He was selling generators, foodstuffs at way over market value and rations for the Y2K thing and he made a fortune off of it. He also said, like James Lloyd, that he wouldn't come back on the air if this did not happen. Months after nothing happened they're both back on again.

Jackie:  They have no shame, do they, Alan?

Alan:  No. That's a psychopathic trait, but people are also paid by the CIA to do this. The CIA started up American shortwave.

As far as Queen Elizabeth goes, if people want to believe that somehow she's at the top, that's their choice; and no matter what you want to tell them, or any truth or any facts to go and check, they won't do it anyway.

Jackie:  No, because they believe what they hear.

Alan:  They want to believe what they hear, that's the difference, and so they don't check. However, there's no doubt that special families are bred for certain purposes, but no the Queen doesn't deal with the details of this. She's just told; she is a symbol looking over a vast herd of unwashed masses and that they'll have to be gradually culled off and she'll have been told that in a very sophisticated scientific lecture probably and it will sound quite natural for her to go along with it, but she won't do any of this planning and neither would the Rothschild's. No one in public view could possibly be running this show in case they were assassinated and in that case they would lose their main people. You never put the real controllers in public view. You would never even let the public know their names. Anyone in public view is technically expendable.

Jackie:  It came to my mind when it really clicked with me when we heard about – well, if this happened, but when the chosen people were taken into Babylon and there they were with their own priests, with their own religion, allowed to live separately from all the other people and they were supposed to be in captivity, Alan?

Alan:  And run their own businesses.

Jackie:  Yes, and run their own businesses.

Alan:  No, it's complete fiction, utter fiction.

Jackie:  That's when it occurred to me, so, okay, who was controlling the king?

Alan:  Yes and who really came out of Babylon? Was it the Babylon high priesthood?You see, Babylon is wherever they put themselves. That was part of the mystery of Babylon. It could be anywhere they set themselves up and so all we know from the records is that a bunch of people came out with a brand new system of priesthood that didn't exist before and preached a different type of religion and that religion was based on basically human understanding of law and various laws. It was all to do with legalisms and of course to Christians, they were given one version of it, but it's almost like keeping two-thirds of the rest from them because the Christians were not given access to the Talmud or the Kabbalah; and only by having the study of all three do you get the big picture. This is a long, long-range plan. There's no doubt about it.

Jackie:  When you mentioned their legalisms, it brings to mind Moses Mendelssohn's quote or statement that he allegedly made that Judaism is not a religion, it is a law religionized.

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Storm:  I was going to say I'm familiar with that because that happened to William Cooper too, that these people like Rothschild and Rockefeller you never see their faces or their names because they're not actual government officials so somebody could bump them off.

Jackie:  Is that what you wanted to say, that you knew that?

Storm:  No. I was wondering if he knew if there was anybody in the past that actually attempted that because I don't remember or recall that ever happening because that could happen.

Jackie:  Okay, thank you. Hello, Alan.

Alan:  I didn't quite catch what he said there.

Jackie:  What he said is that he knew that what you said about the front guys not being out front and he wondered if you knew if there had been any attempts on any of their lives in the past. The Rockefellers, the Rothschild's et cetera?

Alan:  No, they're given preferential treatment and so on. The very fact that a Rothschild could come into Britain supposedly and pull a stunt, a con, if you like, by pretending that Napoleon was winning against Wellington and dumping his bonds so everybody else would dump theirs, then he bought them all up for pennies, and get away with it and walk freely around the narrow streets of London and this ancient nobility of Britain who had assassination teams simply left him alone, that's rubbish. You see, Rothschild was asked to come in and manage the whole system by the nobility. That's what it was. That's what it was. The real powers themselves are never allowed to be shown in public. In fact, in theosophy and a few other Masonic groups they say that the Hidden Masters that run the show at the right time will come forward and show who they really are, but by that time they will have sewn up world government and obviously they'll have total control of the world and have no fear of anything happening to them, which means that they can only appear in a completely totalitarian system.

Jackie:  In the Protocols they mentioned that their king despot of the blood of Sion, their pope of the world, he will be so benevolent and so with the people that they will even put him out with the people as though he trusts all the people, but they said that of course he would be totally surrounded by his protectors at all times; but whoever it is, Alan, that if they're going to present somebody, he is going to be slicker than we've ever seen before.

Alan:  He'll have all the answers to the problems of the world because he and his cronies created the problems of the world.

Jackie:  Yes. He's going to get rid of property taxes too, by the way, because they talk about that in there how the property taxes right now ever escalating. They serve their purpose because they cause unrest, but when they come into their power they'll get rid of those kinds of things.

Alan:  They will because we won't have any property by then and we'll all be living in habitat areas and the UN websites they tell you that there will be no private property. It will be rental only and there will be no private automobiles either; so anybody who wants to check up where we'll go and how we're to live, simply has to look into the United Nations website.

Jackie:  We have a quote at our website at sweetliberty.org and I think it's either in Regionalism or the States Right. Rexford Tugwell after – actually, I think it was around 1934 it was a small newspaper article in Colorado where he said the government will own all land. That was 1934, Alan, or someplace around there.

Alan:  They still Tugwell society, which is funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, but maybe we should also mention that I have the books out now that explain a lot of this.

Jackie:  Well you go right ahead my dear.

Alan:  I go through the Masonic meanings of things, which is very important to understand the language we're using or what you're reading in the newspapers, because there's double meanings in everything and I give you the lost word and tell you what it really is and all the rest of it. None of the nonsense they put out there on the books for you to buy off the shelves and I give you the extracts, where it comes from and so on, very old books, and I also go into the history of money from ancient times. How it was introduced. How they brought down countries – country after country until they were all on the money system.

Jackie:  Built them up and brought them down.

Alan:  That's right, by using usury and getting them all in debt. It's a silly thing for relief of Africa. I don't know how many times they've written off third-world debt and these boys, the front men of the so called Rock Star Association that come out and demand we forgive these loans to the third-world countries are working for the banks because we forgive the loans every three or four years. Then we give them another one as soon as they're forgiven, but what the general public who are all cheering this don't realize is the money is borrowed from the World Bank by the U.S. and Canada and the guarantors to pay the loans off are the Canadian and American citizens, so when we write the loans off to the third-world country the citizens of the U.S. and Canada end up paying it. This is the con game that goes on and on and on and none of the money gets to Africa anyway. It never does.

Jackie:  Maybe they're going to call it CanadaUS?

Alan:  That's a good name, but if you want the three books [see www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information] and you can't buy this information off the shelf.

Jackie:  As Alan has suggested, that if you don't have I and II yet, it would be better to start there and if you have those books, No. III, "Cutting Through" is now available. Alan, did you find a way to get those copied by the way?

Alan:  I did get a dozen copied today.

Jackie:  Did you really?

Alan:  By some strange miracle. Some of the pages are a bit too close to the edges but it's legible but I didn't have the same chaos as the last time.

Jackie:  You went to another place?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Did you want to tell our listeners what happened to you?

Alan:  Well, it's difficult to imagine but however I did take three master copies in for I, II and III into a Staples place where they recopy. The girl told me it would take half an hour, no problems. It was a quiet day and I came back in half an hour and they had my pages all over the counters scattered. They had a full counter about 30 feet long at the back covered with different pages from my stuff. There were pages on top of the photocopiers. Neither photocopier would work properly with my material and it kept chewing the copies up. However, in between all of this, in a four hour space, mind you, they did other peoples' stuff, rushed it through and both machines worked perfectly with everyone else's material. As soon as you put mine back on, sure enough, the paper jams and they have to get the paper from inside and at the end I knew they couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again because I didn't know where all this stuff was.

Jackie:  You didn't know where the masters were.

Alan:  Oddly enough, the three girls there were in sort of a daze and they were not standing talking to each other. They were reading through my material, which was all over the place.

Jackie:  And one had told you they weren't supposed to read it?

Alan:  That's right. I asked her what's happening and she said well nothing at the moment. I said, well I've been here for four hours while nothing's happening except that you seem to be destroying everything I've written, and their answers were completely out of context with the situation: like is there something the matter, sir? It was incredible.

Jackie:  And they didn't seem to be flustered at the problems they were having?

Alan:  No.

Jackie:  Hello.

Pat:  Hi Jackie. I was wondering if you could ask Alan what his position or opinion is of the Protocols. I don't think I've ever heard him give his opinion one way or another whether he believes.

Jackie:  Yes. Who's calling?

Pat:  This is Pat.

Jackie:  Pat, speak up just a little bit, your question again.

Pat:  I was just wondering if you could ask Alan what his personal opinion or belief on the Protocols, whether they're real or fiction or forgery and also if you can ask him to speak on his background. I don't think I've ever heard him speak about his knowledge or where he's from.

Jackie:  Like a bio on Alan?

Pat:  Sure.

Jackie:  Okay.

Pat:  Thank you.

Jackie:  Thanks, Pat. Alan, did you want to finish what you were saying about – well, folks, when Alan and I talked that evening when he had experienced this, what I got listening is that the people that were going through all these problems – I've been to Staples before because we put packets together and we have them copied and collated and et cetera and the thing is that while all of this was going on for four and a half hours at least, because he waited a half hour to come back to get them, these people didn't seem to be flustered at the problems they were having and the way Alan was talking about it sounded like these people were in just some kind of a daze. Didn't it Alan?

Alan:  Yes. You see what we're talking about was the Queen and the Rothschild's and so on is tiddly-winks because there are sciences at work here and forces way above all of this. The sciences alone are so far advanced it puts all science fiction in the kindergarten categories. Sciences are so advanced.

Jackie:  Would you like to come back with us tomorrow night?

Alan:  Sure.

Jackie:  Let's go into that and would you like to comment on Pat's question about what your thoughts are on the Protocols?

Alan:  The Protocols, whoever wrote them – to me, I don't care who wrote them because the fact is everything in them and there's no doubt they were written at the time they were said to be written and what they wrote about things that would be made to occur within society, not by any supernatural means either, have occurred and it's too precise. It has too precise a grip on societal structures, mass psychology, individual psychology and group psychology. It's too perfect. I'm sure it wasn't put together by one person and regardless of who it's attributed to, the fact is what was planned in it cannot be denied.

Jackie:  And the way it's written of course they speak about themselves as being the chosen and their dispersal has been actually a blessing to them and so either in fact or by them wanting people to believe it was those who called themselves Jews who were laying this out.

Alan:  At the same time it was done primarily as far as we know by those in Russia who were Kazarian extract who had no Hebrew blood in them at all, so that's another little mystery as to who these people really were in the first place.

Jackie:  Will you consider tomorrow night about giving our listeners a brief background on who Alan Watt is?

Alan:  Yes, not too much though.

Jackie:  Okay. All right, well that's great. I've had a lot of people ask me and it might be helpful for our listeners or it may be just interesting to know about who Alan Watt is and so ladies and gentlemen, we will pick this up again tomorrow night. Alan will be back with us and we'll play it as it lays and thank you for being with us tonight, and Alan, thank you. Thank you for taking time out from your guests to be on the air with us.

Alan:  Good night.

Jackie:  Good night.