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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. We were so late getting on. We had a guest lined up this evening and I do not know what happened. This is whatever, so at the last minute I called Alan and what we were going to be talking about tonight and I hope that she will be able to come on with us. We were going to be talking about aspartame. I've got a video, a DVD actually and this thing is just atrocious. It's terrible what's going on and the deaths and the illness that has been created by this terrible additive of excitotoxin that has been added to so many foods. Anyway, Alan is with us and today is the Monday the 18th of July in the year 2005 and I sure hope you stayed with us. Well, those of you who are listening did stay with us, didn't you? We were five minutes late getting on. Alan, thanks for being here tonight.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Yeah, right. Way last minute, huh?

Alan:  Last minute, yes, and a very hot night too.

Jackie:  Oh boy is it hot there too, Alan?

Alan:  On Saturday, it hit 115.

Jackie:  Oh no. Now, actual temperature or heat index?

Alan:  That was the temperature on the thermometer. It was over 100 in the shade.

Jackie:  Oh my God. And what is it going down to in the evening?

Alan:  It's around just above 80 right now, sometimes 85.

Jackie:  But I mean Saturday, it went down to 80 that night?

Alan:  That night, no. It stayed around – well into darkness it was just below 90 and they were spraying the skies like crazy.

Jackie:  Yes. Well, it's I don't know about probably 90 here. I was going to do a check on the weather bug and see what the heat index is because it feels almost like it did when it was 96.The heat itself is just something else. I want to share something with our listeners, something that you mentioned to me, Alan, and I don't want to forget to say this because I think it could be very helpful for many of us this coming winter. Folks, I was talking to Alan – I'm heating with natural gas here now that Chuck is gone and not using the firewood and gas, the prices are just terrible. If they keep raising them I don't know what's going—well, I do understand it's part of rural cleansing because those of us who live out in the country we have these what the heck do they call them Alan where its supposed to be all the people are involved.

Alan:  They want us into the habitat areas.

Jackie:  What I'm talking about is that the gas company itself. I forget what it is. When I lived Carlinville, Illinois, it was the same thing and the electric prices there were just absolutely terrible. Anyway, folks, not this past winter but the winter before I kept my thermostat at 60. Sometimes I got brave and put it down to 59 and I was wearing several layers of clothing in order to even have a modicum of – I was comfortable although my hands and my nose and stuff was cold but I literally was wearing three layers of clothing and last winter I kept my thermostat at 62 and on account of that my heating bill went $100 a month. When I called to ask them about it she said well you've used 10 more decagons this year than you did last year at the same time. I said oh I see. Last year I was wearing three layers of clothing to keep warm and this year I'm wearing only two. Well, what Alan suggested when I mentioned to Alan how come like in the spring, in the fall if it's 60 degrees and you put on a pair of sweats and a flannel shirt or a sweat shirt you're very, very comfortable and yet I was freezing at 60 degrees in my home in the winter time and I asked Alan why that would be. The one thing that Alan mentioned is that because it is so dry, the cold is a dry cold and he said that if we put a humidifier in the house and add humidity to atmosphere within then the 60 degrees would be probably the same thing.

Alan:  Yes, it certainly helps absolutely.

Jackie:  Well nothing else makes any sense. Sixty degrees is 60 degrees and yet at 60 degrees in the winter time, my God you're freezing.

Alan:  I know. If you put humidity into the air, it's completely different from dry warm air and lasts longer too, by the way. It keeps your heating bills down.

Jackie:  Well I guess it would.

Alan:  It actually holds the heat, you see, the moisture, and your furnace will kick on less.

Jackie:  Well I heat with baseboard hot water heat, which is wonderful, I love it. I had that in Illinois also and it is a wonderful heat and you don't have the forced air blowing in and it is a comfortable warmth, but I know that it has to be what you're saying because nothing else makes any sense.

Alan:  Yes and if you get static shocks in the winter time in your house, that's a sign it's too dry.

Jackie:  Yes, well I don't recall getting static shocks for whatever reason but it has to be that because we've had even in the early summer and of course in the spring we had a lot of days that were 60 and 58 and et cetera. I only wore a pair of sweats and a flannel shirt and I was very, very comfortable, Alan, and I thank you for that and I wanted to tell our listeners this because it might slip my mind when winter comes to tell them this, so you keep this in mind, folks.

Alan:  There's no doubt that energy is going to be the big thing. We’re going into a crisis point of crisis creation and that's why the gasoline is so high. They're modifying the weather like crazy. There's no doubt about it. It's the Wizard of Oz with his advanced science that's doing this.

Jackie:  Remember I told you I heard on the Weather Channel that day that it had been really unseasonably cold and then it started nice and warming up and she says well we're keeping the temperatures up there for you guys to give you a break this weekend; and I thought, you know what, they're really doing it.

Alan:  They are doing it.

Jackie:  I mean I don't know if these weather people – do you think they know about this?

Alan:  I'm sure they do because I mean even NASA had to put out some kind of cover story to explain the satellite photographs of the Earth, especially North America which was just almost a fog of they called them contrails from the aircraft; of course it's chemical. We know it's chemicals. Many people have tested this.

Jackie:  They said also that it was commercial aircraft, didn't they?

Alan:  Yes and let's be honest. I mean commercial aircraft didn't suddenly – in fact there's less commercial aircraft than there was last year.

Jackie:  Well are they going to make X's in the sky with underlines and pretty sun rays?

Alan:  They'll probably play games with the O and the X and the straight lines. They're playing games, plus the HAARP can be picked up on the shortwave; if you scan the shortwave, you'll pick up the frequencies.

Jackie:  I just lost some volume on you. Oh, there we are. Say that again.

Alan:  You'll find on the shortwave if you scan it, you'll find where the HAARP frequencies are if you scan during the day or in the evening and sometimes early in the morning around 9000 kilohertz you'll find the HAARP and it makes a wow-wow-wow sound constant. Then around noon time, it's just before the same station that WWCR is on, it's just a little bit before--

Jackie:  12.160?

Alan:  It's just before there around 12,000 you'll find it and then in the evening it changes just before 5070 and generally it will stay on that all night until the early morning.

Jackie:  What will it be, at about 6000 or what?

Alan:  You just scan from about 5000 onwards until you come across it before the first commercial station.

Jackie:  And how do you know that's HAARP, Alan?

Alan:  It wasn't there a couple of years ago. They were testing it once in a while, but about a year and a half ago or so they started to use it full time.  It doesn't sound like anything else on the shortwave. It's a pulsation, a very strong signal and it's a pulsing sound it makes and of course HAARP have – they have declared – they always legally tell you in a sense what they're doing, even if it's a brief quip somewhere, but they did say that they had stepped up their generating power and even the Alaskan one; and remember there's 56 or more of these HAARP facilities across the planet.

Jackie:  And there's acres and acres of transmitters, towers.

Alan:  Yes. They can actually link them up in different countries and bounce them off the ionosphere and then bring them down on any target they want to – hold on a second.

Jackie:  Is that Max?

Alan:  Saw some rabbits. Wow, it's a little cat. I don't know where that came from. That's new.

Jackie:  In the house?

Alan:  No, outside, but it's coming up this way. I don't know where that came from. Anyway, the HAARP is playing full time and of course they're spraying as well like crazy. Even when the storms are going on you see them laying these lines you know. They never stop.

Jackie:  You mean when we're having thunderstorms?

Alan:  Yes. You'll see it before. In fact, I've got used to telling when there's going to be a thunderstorm because there's a different kind of spray they lay out. They lay it on very, very thickly and it turns into that almost like looking through a polythene sheet across the sky and that's the polymers, which is a form of plastic molecule that they are spraying, and it's quite something to see.

Jackie:  Besides the metals.

Alan:  The metals come down too.

Jackie:  You know it occurs to me that occasionally we do have new listeners I think and we're sitting here talking as though everybody knows exactly what we're talking about. Just briefly, explain what the HAARP project is.

Alan:  This is Auroral Research Program, the High Altitude one which is supposed to – it first came out in the Baltic Region when the Soviet Union was using one in Riga. They built the first one we know of.

Jackie:  Is that the one called the woodpecker?

Alan:  That's right. Basically, all the ham radio enthusiastics were coming off the band. They couldn't even pick up certain bands because they were blocked out by the woodpecker and it was like a tap, tap, tapping sound at that time, very fast though, and so eventually they targeted it. They could actually diagnose where it was coming from and the Russians admitted they were using this type of powerful 'standing wave' as they called it which they bounced up into the ionosphere and then it was targeted down on North America. It was invented by Tesla apparently in the early 1900's and Tesla himself said that he was stopping experimentation of it because it superheated the atmosphere. It caused a standing wave which could be many, many miles wide and around the standing wave, where nothing really moves, just hot air, they'll have storms and floods even like a vortex around it. Like a tunnel and he said this could superheat the atmosphere so much that the atmosphere could ignite and yet here they are building these things all over the place and actually using them and targeting North America.

Jackie:  You know on the video that was made called "Are There Holes in Heaven," Dr. Nick Begich is on it. There's also a physicist and what she was explaining she said that the ionosphere is sort of like a bubble or a balloon – a bubble around the earth and she said when they send this very concentrated beam of energy into the ionosphere and the earth is rotating, she said they don't know but it could literally slash holes right into the ionosphere and totally destroy the ionosphere.

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  And her fear, her concern was that they know not what they do and they can be causing irreparable damage to this planet and its atmosphere and outer.

Alan:  As I say, they definitely have advanced science. I think it's actually more advanced than the public are even aware of, or being told of, and I'm sure they know exactly what temperatures to create. They do admit – in fact they signed a treaty not to use this weather modification and HAARP technology. They signed a treaty at the UN back in the 1970's and on that treaty they said they will not use it against other countries, so that means they're open to use it on their own people.

Jackie:  Yes. It doesn't say anything about within. It prohibits the hostile use of the technology that can cause hurricanes, title waves, earthquakes, like the tsunami that hit.

Alan:  That's right, so they can do that. They can cause drought and they can cause flooding.

Jackie:  I think that was 1972 or '74. And folks, think about this. The technology, it didn't say in this ENMOD treaty that the United Nations did, it didn't say that it prohibits the research or the development. It says prohibits the use of weather modification techniques, hostile use, and already back then they were admitting that they can cause earthquakes. They can cause floods, hurricanes, all kinds of damaging weather and earth upheavals.

Alan:  If you look at Alberta where they grow such much of the corn and wheat and so on, for the last four years they had a drought – in fact they had a plague of locusts--

Jackie:  I think that's what – isn't that what a grasshopper is?

Alan:  It was grasshoppers last year, yes, and so most of the farmers have been going under one by one, and this year when Ontario – typically you have a standing wave and nothing moves. The air didn't even move here in Ontario. No rain up until about yesterday. Alberta was getting flooded for the last two months or so, complete flooding every day, and whole towns were being upset by this thing.

Jackie:  And that's the big agricultural area.

Alan:  Yes, so they've been put under and Chile apparently is being built up for the NAFTA for joining NAFTA, and Monsanto and Archer Daniel Midland have been using our tax money through the NAFTA grants to build up the huge agricultural business in Chile. It's interesting as we're getting put under and our farmers are being put under, here's the big boys and the commercial farms ready to go with all their produce that we have paid for basically.

Jackie:  Genetically modified produce?

Alan:  Yes, and that will start to supply North America when there is no farming here. Everything is preplanned. Everything that happens in this system is preplanned.

Jackie:  It's difficult for some people to grasp, even though I believe that within them they know it. It's just so difficult to accept, to climb out of. Well, you called it free falling. Like free falling, like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. If you want the truth we have to be willing to let go of all of everything that we thought we knew and begin anew so to speak, and the one thing that I'm clear about is that I know we're much, much closer to the truth than I know for myself than I have ever been and it has become real clear to me unless I was there, I still don't absolutely know. I mean I know that there is truth except that – for example, Alan, I received an email. I don't know if this appeared on the news or not. Thirty-two little Iraqi children were killed by a car bomb and I would imagine if it was on the news they said that it was – you know, what do they call them?

Anyway, there was a report done by a Palestinian, I don't know if it was a radio or newspaper or whatever. There are actual photographs that they showed the U.S. soldiers handing down candy to Iraqi children and what they did, according to this report, they lured the children into the street into the area and they said that there was a vehicle there that they were afraid had an explosive attached to it and they wanted to keep the children away from it. Well, then they finally told the people it's okay, there was nothing wrong with the vehicle. So they had all those children in that area giving them candy and Pokemon toys and then they took off like a bat out of hell and the car exploded and they said it wasn't TNT because it left a crater in the street. It killed 32 little Iraqi children and wounded 10 others that were in the area and I sent it over to Darrin to put onto our website and I realized truly we don't know if even that is the truth. It looks – the pictures. They had the photographs of the soldiers handing down the candy and they had photographs of adults just sobbing with blood all over their faces and their hands at the children's death; and yet what I put before it is: if this is the truth, then the American boys and girls/men and women have become the new world barbarians.  Thirty-two little children exploded for what?

Alan:  There's so little you can take for – well, you can't take anything on the news today for granted.

Jackie:  See, this wasn't on the news. That's the point. This came from a Palestinian or Arab newspaper and whoever put it online translated parts of it for the English-speaking people and just highlighted certain aspects of it. But that's what I'm saying and to me the pictures gave evidence but it occurred to me that the pictures could be pictures of anything.

Alan:  We're in a time as I say of chaos because it's manufactured chaos and to bring in a new age, which this is, they always create a chaos. That's why your gas is going through the ceiling, the price of gasoline. All energy is going through the roof. They're modifying the weather to create weather chaos and blame the public for driving and causing it, and the public believe what they see on the news. They think they're causing the smog, but they never look at the sky and see the stuff being sprayed right above their heads.

Jackie:  You know probably it was back in 1992 when I first became awake and became involved. I read – actually it was an article about ethanol and how easy it is to make it. There were actually instructions on how to make ethanol and run your car on it and in this article it said that the Rothschild's were buying up at that time hundreds of thousands of acres of land in Brazil to grow the corn so that when they go to ethanol they will be still the suppliers of our fuel and they'll probably make it illegal to make your own ethanol.

Alan:  Yes, they will. You won't be allowed to distill anything at all. They already have those laws in place because any spirits you distill yourself they crack down on.

Jackie:  I thought about that, but it's like alcohol, yes?So the revenuers will come in and crash up your tanks?

Alan:  Yes. There was a fellow who was telling people in Canada a couple of years ago I think online and it was on the regular news. He was telling people how to make their own and how to build the still to make it and the government did crack down on it and arrested him.

Jackie:  Well, you have to have a license to do that.

Alan:  That's right. You cannot share power. I mean that's how you keep power. You don't share it.

Jackie:  Yes, the definition I remember reading this of a license is giving you permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal. We're at the half hour here, ladies and gentlemen, and once again I'm sorry for our late start tonight and I'm very grateful for Alan for coming on with us because I certainly wasn't prepared with information to present to you tonight.

All right, we're back with Alan Watt. I stayed in the house today, Alan. I took a break and I spent about 50 hours last week in that garden, and boy, did I ever wear myself out, so I've been inside the last two days. Well, it rained yesterday and I've just been inside trying to take care of some things in here and I've been spending some time on the book.

Alan:  I put back that bunch that was printed up and were destroyed at the printers.

Jackie:  Oh good.

Alan:  I've got another set made up there.

Jackie:  Okay, now see I keep losing volume on you for some reason and you’re back again. It's interesting. You just go real, real almost far away. Why don't you give your address and tell the listeners how they can get the books.

Alan:  I've got three of them and I call them "Cutting Through" and you can imagine what I'm cutting through and it's I, II and III.  [See www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information.]

They go through the freemasonry aspect. They go through the historical aspect of the religious collusion with the different agencies and crowns and so on, and countries bringing us to where we are today and where they're going from here, and it's documented as much as possible. There's no real speculation because it's spelled out for you to follow.

The last bunch I had printed up they destroyed the copies and the master copies so I had to go through a whole bunch of paste-ups to try and put it all back together again.

Jackie:  But you did get it all back together.

Alan:  Yes I did, like Humpty Dumpty.

Jackie:  Although Humpty Dumpty wasn't able to be put back together again.

Alan:  I know, I know. This was a job, I'll tell you, but these things happen when you're trying to write about things you don’t normally find in the bookstores.

Jackie:  Alan?One of the things from what I understand in freemasonry is that they're supposed to revenge the death of Jacques de Molay. Well that's recent. I mean what was that, about 500 years ago?

Alan:  No. Molay I think was in the 1300's.

Jackie:  Oh, 1300's.So about 700 years ago?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  But my point is that freemasonry has been around a lot longer than 1300 years.

Alan:  It was there under different names thousands of years ago.

Jackie:  Yes, but it wasn't called freemasonry at the time?

Alan:  No. They always use the builders' terminology because they build society. They build culture and then they change culture.

Jackie:  They build temples in men's minds.

Alan:  That's right. And of course the whole idea of masonry, Solomon's Temple is the individual himself. They rebuild Solomon's Temple, meaning they take the basic person and rebuild him and he becomes a holy temple as a fully-fledged freemason. These are all allegories and it's all in the Old Testament too. It's disguised under different stories and of course they didn't invent it. It was on the go before, all the way back into Egypt and even into Sumer. It's been here for thousands of years and freemasonry that was given to the general public or the middle classes in the 1700's in Europe was a fairly new thing. They'd used primarily the nobility as the builders for thousands of years, but in the 1700's they had to bring in a middle class to help manage the Industrial Revolution which they were putting society through as a plan. Therefore they had to give them a lesser form of masonry and so they created freemasonry for the middle classes and then for the lower classes eventually and also for the military.

The standing armies have traditionally always been Masonic. All of their drilling their marching and everything is all Masonic ritual, even if they don't know it themselves, and pretty well every military base has a Masonic temple within it and when they go abroad they have a traveling lodge that goes with them. The British before the American Revolution started up various lodges and they planted the English lodge throughout America; Benjamin Franklin joined it. He was one of the first in his area to join it and he wrote about it and eventually when the British army came in they also brought the Orange Lodge with them as a traveling lodge and during the battles or after the battles Washington and different masons would cross the lines and share Masonic brotherhood with their supposed enemy the British in their lodges and sign their books. That's the whole thing about freemasonry. When there's battles or wars going on, if they give the Masonic signs to each other and the passwords, they're true brothers and must help each other regardless of what side they're on.

Jackie:  I saw a painting that was done depicting George Washington, the British Cornwallis and a couple of other of their probably higher-ups in the army in a tent during the Revolutionary War sharing tea and having a little chat, and this is while their "Revolutionary" war was going on. It was after Carol Valentine's report that she did on the Noahide laws and she used – I saw the definition before but I didn't understand it so I pretended it wasn't there. The definition of a freemason is a Noahide and so I took that one paragraph and set it aside and said I want to do some more research on this and then I found a lot of information in an old book called "The Cause of World Unrest" and it was very telling, very telling. The connection if you would between what they call themselves Jews, the so called Jews and freemasonry--

Alan:  Well, every freemason becomes a Jew when they join.

Jackie:  They have to, Alan.

Alan:  No, it's actually called that – to the public they call it an Entered Apprentice; to each other they call it the Jewish apprentice.

Jackie:  Do they really?

Alan:  The whole ritual is taken from the mythological Jews who joined. It wasn't Jews actually. It was Hebrews at that point supposedly that joined the secret society of Hiram from Tyre. He came to help build the temple, which again is all allegory for the story, and he had a secret society with him; so these Tyrians or Phoenicians actually, they were a Phoenician group, and the king was Hiram supposedly came to Solomon and initiated some of Solomon's own men into the secret society and that's what it's all based on. However, this is all mythological because as I say you can find the traces of the secret society 5,000 years before that. You'll find it in very, very early Egypt and you'll also find it within the writings of the priests of Sumer, so it's been here for what we can call the beginning of civilization – which is the system. That's what they mean by civilization: The system of rulership with a small learned class holding power over the people and religious classes who at that time acted as bureaucrats over the people and managed all the public affairs. That's what they mean by civilization.

Jackie:  That's exactly the way it is today.

Alan:  Yes. It's their system. It's never changed.

Jackie:  The police chiefs and a lot of the police, the politicians, the bureaucrats, they're all freemasons.

Alan:  They're all freemasons.

Jackie:  Supreme Court judges.

Alan:  Peter Wright was on trial during Margaret Thatcher's era. He worked for MI5 and MI6 and he was so disgusted with what was happening within the organizations that he wrote a book called "Spycatcher."  He tells you that when he was asked to come in as an expert in electronics, that's why he came into it, he said that when he went to the small office where the records keeper basically. Very much like the James Bond movies with Miss Moneypenny was it? That same sort or type of secretary said to him "of course you must be a mason," and he says, "no, I'm not." She says, "wow" she says "everyone in this organization is a freemason" and so he let a lot out of the bag as he wrote that book "Spycatcher".

Jackie:  Did you say he was on trial?

Alan:  Margaret Thatcher charged him with disclosing secrets of the realm, so he was charged with treason. His second book was "The A to Z of Spycatching" and that's when she had him arrested; and in it and during the trial he did bring up the fact that Lord Rothschild of England, Victor Rothschild, who was one of the few members of the family who also did something else apart from banking. He was also a scientist and he was in charge of most of the military secrets of Porton Downs, the military establishment for bacterial and biological warfare, and Peter Wright alluded to the fact that the main spies who all defected from MI6 and MI5 to the Soviets had all been lodgers. They all boarded with Lord Rothschild and his wife in their early years, so he was bringing the connections forth that this Mr. Rothschild was passing the secrets on to the Soviets. Every time the head of MI5 got close to this truth he was immediately suspended or demoted and they put somebody else in place, so he let a lot of stuff out of the bag and Margaret Thatcher put Peter Wright on trial for disclosing all this information.

Jackie:  Did you say he wrote two books?

Alan:  Yes. "The "A to Z of Spycatching" when they arrested him. They didn't put him in prison. They had to let him go but they did take all the books and they put them back in the pulp. The pulped them all back to pulp. He was disclosing the fact that Lord Rothschild was the head, he was "The Fifth Man" as they called it, this person who controlled these MI5 double agents in Britain and Victor Rothschild was the only contact with them all. What was more amazing was the fact that every bit of information that Victor Rothschild was given to do with any of their technology was immediately known to the Soviets and it could only have been through Victor Rothschild. There was another writer after Peter Wright wrote a book called "The Fifth Man" and in it he goes through a lot of this stuff about the Rothschild's.

Jackie:  Is that book – was that pulped also?

Alan:  No. That one is available and I have it."The Fifth Man" was the title of the book.

Jackie:  Where was it published, over in England?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Victor Rothschild –I want to ask you a question. Now Amschel, was he the first Rothschild?

Alan:  There was old Amschel.

Jackie:  So Victor was down the line a little ways.

Alan:  Yes. Victor was in the British army. He joined the British army during World War II as a bomb disposal expert and eventually was promoted up to the head of the scientific and development part of the military. Even after his name was connected to these MI5 agents that defected to the Soviets, these double agents, rather than kick Rothschild out he ended up in charge of all the British security forces. That's what Peter Wright was so angry about. Why on earth would you put this guy who was a suspect in charge of all your security forces?  Until you figure it out that the whole thing is nonsense. There was no Cold War. The elite who ruled Britain created a fake enemy, the great bear in Russia and they created the Cold War and they had to make it very real to the public and even to a lot of the small players involved in it like Peter Wright himself. The fact was the Soviets couldn't feed themselves from the beginning to the end. They couldn't even make a good television set. They were supported totally by sales of grain from the U.S. and Canada right up until the very end.

Jackie:  I don't think sales, Alan.

Alan:  I know, I know. We loaned them the money, which they could then buy the grain from us.

Jackie:  There was one thing. I read a book and this was very early on when I was first becoming involved and it was written by I can't remember. He was a guy that ran for president. Anyway, he told in there about the export import banks and I had known about that but I didn't know what it was and he explained it and used an example. When a private corporation for example loans money and he used an example of the Soviet Union and I forget what company it was – what bank. Probably a Rockefeller bank here that loaned the Soviets hundreds of millions of dollars to build the [Decoma] River Plant which was a plant that not only built trucks but all kinds of war machines, war vehicles. Well the export import is that the import export or whatever. I think I get it backwards all the time. Anyway, the reason it was set up was to guarantee loans that are made by private corporations to foreign countries if those foreign countries do not pay and so the export import bank our tax dollars reimbursed Rockefeller's Chase Manhattan Bank hundreds of millions of dollars that went over to the Soviet Union to build war vehicles that in essence could be used against us. And you know I went to a town hall meeting while Dick Durbin was there, our U.S. Congressman, in Collinsville. Alan, talk about an early-on education, when he was taking questions I had the book there and it was a paperback and this guy's name is escaping me of course. Anyway, I mentioned this and I said I'd like to know about this. I'd like you to comment on this that our tax dollars are being used dah-da-dah and he looked at me and he started talking and he wound all around me and I'm still standing because I'm waiting for him to respond to my questions and I'm telling you, he just somehow danced around me and the next thing you know he was calling on someone else and I was still standing there and I raised my hand while I was standing up and he pretended I was invisible. And do you know the thing is the thing that shocked me more than anything is that the people who were sitting there didn't say wait a minute. Why don't you answer this lady's question? Respond to what she just said. Do you know what they wanted, the next lady that raised her hand? She wanted to know how come she couldn't when she had to drive to Springfield to work she couldn't count it as commute time and she wanted some bill passed that would allow her to deduct that on her income tax. I was in shock, Alan.

Alan:  That's a good example though of the purpose of setting up the Soviet Union because it was the dialectic approach to a third way. First they created capitalism and then the other side of the coin was communism and then they blend the two together because they've socialized society. What Lenin said was when the politicians in the United States begin to discuss during elections social issues, to do with pensions, healthcare and so on, then they have been effectively socialized; and that would never have happened if it wasn't for the supposed enemy across the sea there, the Soviet Union. That was its purpose; it was to make the people back home say well they better give them some benefits or they may revolt. This worked very, very well. The countries of the West are all socialized now.

Jackie:  Is there something in the Bible that says beware of the bear from the north?

Alan:  No. That was Nostradamus and it's the same with the "yellow hordes." That was Nostradamus too. It wasn't the Bible.

Jackie:  I've told you this, when I was little I spent a lot of time listening to the adults conversations and I remember during I think it was after the war, World War II, but I remember some neighbor that use to spout the Bible all the time when they were sitting around having coffee and they were talking about Russia and she said that in the Bible – I thought she said the Bible. It says beware of the bear from the north and that that is Russia.

Alan:  You see, in the celestial sky towards the North Pole, you'll see the Great Bear and that's always been associated with Satan, that area.

Jackie:  Is that Ursa?

Alan:  There's Ursa Major and Minor. Also in the Bible they make references to Satan living in the north, so that's always been associated with the Great Bear.

Jackie:  I can remember walking to school worrying about whether or not we were going to be attacked by Russia.

Alan:  Fear is a fantastic method of controlling millions and millions of people because they look towards leadership to take care of things for them. It's a natural tribal instinct, which these people at the top understand very well and they manipulate it to their advantage and they take advantage of the people all the time. That's why we're always in a constant state of crisis. There's not been one generation who've lived in a time of peace from the beginning to the end of their life. Either financial chaos or war or both, but they keep us going up and down like yo-yos.

Jackie:  Yes and you know what I'd like you to do our last few minutes here? Comment, address that, how we can know this stuff and not be living in fear. Not be living in panic and know this stuff. Will you talk about that?

Alan:  The first thing is not to respond to it. I take it for granted that whatever comes out of the news, and I've got plenty of information to back this up, whatever comes out of the news is psychological warfare. It's designed that way. It's not new by the way. The news business was not taken over recently. It was set up like this. In the 1700's in England--

Jackie:  I'm talking about the topics that we discuss on this broadcast, it could be very frightening to people.

Alan:  It can only be frightening if they take it to heart that what's happening is all by chance. When you realize it’s all planned this way you begin to lose your fear, especially when you realize it's always been this way. It's a technique of controlling the peoples' minds through fear; and once you realize that, you stop fearing them and of course you stop using their system. You stop voting even for them. Why would you vote for a corrupt system that's always been corrupt?

Jackie:  Why would you vote when your vote doesn’t count anyway?

Alan:  Exactly, yes, so the thing is to take everything with not a pinch of salt but a mountain of salt because psychological warfare is nothing new. It's been used on your grandparents and their predecessors too. It's ongoing and it's a technique to make you submit to powerful figures in the system so that they can get their way; and their way is always more for them, less for you and it's a form of tyranny, which we now call democracy. And tyranny is tyranny. It doesn't matter what they want to call it, what guise they give it. Stop giving your power to them. Stop worrying about the things they tell you to worry about and start thinking for yourself.

Jackie:  Yes and not only that, but knowing this. Knowing that it's all by design. Like for example the aspartame in the food, to kill people, to reduce the population, et cetera. Do everything that we can. In other words, make choices of how we're going to spend our time, Alan?

Alan:  Absolutely.

Jackie:  And are we going to go, oh, well I'm not going to garden because it's too time consuming, and then are we going to eat their poison food and their genetically modified food that genetically modifies the body, or will we do what we can to live as naturally and free of their system as possible.

Alan:  Also, it takes every individual who knows this stuff to speak out about it to whoever they meet.

Jackie:  Exactly.

Alan:  They mustn't be afraid to speak. When you're afraid to speak the game is over.

Jackie:  Well, we'll do this some more, won't we, Alan?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  Thanks so much for being here tonight.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

Jackie:  Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back tomorrow night on time bearing any unforeseen incidents. Thank you for being here folks. God bless you. Good night Alan.

Alan:  Good night.

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Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Guess what? We're on time tonight. Isn't that a treat? It is for me and I suppose at least you'll appreciate it. Today is Monday. Thanks for being here with us tonight. It is the 25th of July and it just seems like the whole month of July passed me by like it was never here. I don't know about you, about the concept of time, it's weird. Anyway, it is the 25th of July in the year 2005 and our guest this evening is Alan Watt once again. I'm very appreciative of Alan coming on with us. I'm having some kind of a problem with my printer and there's information I've been wanting to share with you folks and I can't get it out of the printer and Alan was kind enough to come on here and keep this broadcast rolling. Alan Watt, thanks for being here tonight.

Alan:  Yes, it’s a pleasure.

Jackie:  So how has it been with you and what's up?

Alan:  Oh, just the very hot weather we're getting up here and the spraying of course. They've announced that there's going to be a storm tomorrow, so I watched them make it, spray it above me in preparation for the storm. That's how down pat they have this.

Jackie:  So they're actually calling for the weather tomorrow?

Alan:  Yes.

Jackie:  So you're watching them prepare the skies for the weather that they're calling for?

Alan:  That's right. It's quite something to watch them just go from east to west back and forth and lay on this odd looking – well, you've seen it. It's like someone stuck their hand in candy cane and just pull out big strands of it in different directions and some of them are different, plus the trails they leave behind them are spreading much faster than they used to.

Jackie:  You're talking like cotton candy, yes?

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Cotton candy. They way they can wisp it out?

Alan:  Yes, and unlike normal clouds they go in all directions and have these long curling tails on them, so it's like living in a science fiction movie and or maybe a horror movie, because like horror movies most of the people involved don't know what's happening to them. That's the oddest thing about it.

Jackie:  I think I was telling you about this. I got an email and somebody was kind of doing an overview on all the stuff that's going on, a quick one with the chemtrails, the food additives, the genetically modified food, the vaccines. All the new and unique and sometimes unseemingly untreatable diseases, designer diseases, and then at the end of it he says gosh it almost seems like someone is trying to kill us, doesn't it?

Alan:  I mean chemicals that should not be there will make you ill. Anything that's not naturally in nature especially in these concentrated doses will eventually affect everybody. There's no getting away from it. It's everywhere.

Jackie:  Yes, and the people that call you. You've talked to people from all over the country that so many of them or that the people that they know are having respiratory problems.

Alan:  Yes, frequent recurring too and some people are more prone to it than others as well, so it shows up on them more frequently and more obviously. A lot of people you know can carry these illnesses and pneumonias for even two or three years before it really hits them, but the older they get the more it takes it out of them and so the more obvious it is. However, the very young and the very elderly are coming down first, but it's also affecting all age groups. Whether they smoke or not doesn't matter and people who are prone to allergic responses are coming down with it too. This is affecting – in fact pharmacists across the country and from other people who've phoned me they talk to the pharmacist and I ask them to talk to the pharmacist and it's like taking an informal study because the pharmacists are going great guns with antibiotics right now to cope with the bronchial infections.

Jackie:  Didn't you suggest that people ask their pharmacists what is the most prescribed antibiotic today?

Alan:  The new one they're dishing out by the handful or the bucket full is Vioxin. That's a fairly recent one but I wouldn't really use that except if nothing else works. It's more expensive too than the regular antibiotics and because it's fairly new I don’t think it has a generic supply yet. They have the patent for a while.

Jackie:  You'll probably pay about $20 a pill for it.

Alan:  Yes, something like that, not far off actually with the dispensing fee. The next most commonly prescribed thing for people who never had this before are the bronchial inhalers for bronchial dilators for people normally who have asthma and now it's being used for people who are developing asthmatic symptoms later in life and it's due to these chemtrails.

Jackie:  Yes, there are young people. It isn't just later in life because there are several friends that we have that I know their children are suddenly asthmatic and have never been asthmatic in their life.

Alan:  That's happening more and more frequently. We'll never get a complete study because I'm sure the government is keeping a lid on it. We know they're keeping a lid on the fact that they're even spraying. They won't even talk about it but they're collecting all the data, I'm sure. Another sort of informal study you can do is to inquire from undertakers what the most common cause of death is today and if their business is up, and it certainly is, and once again it's persistent pneumonias. This is affecting everybody from north to south and east to west.

Jackie:  Gosh Alan, it sounds like somebody is trying to kill us, doesn't it?

Alan:  No. That's paranoid now, Jackie. They wouldn't do anything to harm us.

Jackie:  I'm just a conspiracy theorist.

Alan:  Yes, they actually love us and they're just helping the aliens to take care of us. But no, I mean not one single newscaster on regular media or a newspaper will even touch the subject, so they all know that it isn't just losing their job perhaps. It's maybe the fact they'll never work again or it might even be more serious, but no one will touch the subject.

Jackie:  Well, they aren't allowed to and even if they did, do you think the news is live – the news is precut, isn’t it?

Alan:  Yes it is. Everything is bits and bites and it's all censored, edited. If you look at the end of the newscast, which most people don't, just look at how many producers are there editors, sub-editors and so on who decide what's to be left in and what's to be read over the airwaves.

Jackie:  In other words, what you're saying is the whole show is produced but you've got the one person sitting there live doing their scripting; because I was thinking if one of them dared to just come right out and tell the truth it wouldn't even be aired, but maybe one of these days some brave person will just get up and say I can't do this anymore right on the air right live. You know what I mean, Alan?

Alan:  It wouldn't happen because there is no such thing today as actually live. They have at least 20 to 30 seconds delay.

Jackie:  Okay, that's what I was wondering.

Alan:  And they'd switch to something else right away.

Jackie:  So it couldn't happen.

Alan:  Everybody is being watched you know.

Jackie:  Well, I got an email not too long ago and allegedly, you don't know this but it was somebody who said that it was a friend of theirs who worked for one of the networks and she said – this is referencing the past presidential election and you know there was next to nothing in the news about all the vote scam that went on all over the country but actually it was the state of Ohio where it was just totally out of this world. In other words, in one precinct using this as an example. Let's say they had 85,000 people voting when maybe there were only 30,000 registered voters in that precinct. It was just out of this world and I remember watching that night. I flipped it on just before I went to bed and this Ken Blackwell who's the Secretary of State there in Ohio, he was saying it's going to be at least 10 days before we can get the vote in and da-da-da and the next morning they were calling up for Bush and you know what I found out? I've been doing some research on JINSA, that's Jewish Institute for National Security something. Okay. JINSA. It's a Jewish organization and they've got this board of advisers and I was looking at the board of advisers. Ken Blackwell is one of the JINSA board of advisers. I think between JINSA and APAC they've got the U.S. government pretty well tied up. I mean APAC controls the Congress because of their large amounts of money; they can get rid of a congressman if they want to and JINSA is the adviser and so many of the people that are part of JINSA – in fact Cheney used to be on the board of advisers. Wolfowitz, I think it was in 2003 he was given the Man of the Year Award by JINSA and they come right out in their mission statement in their program and talk about that basically what their function is is to work hand-in-hand with the U.S. and Israel for the protection of Israel.

Alan:  These are huge lobby groups as well with tremendous funding.

Jackie:  They've got a whole bunch of retired military admirals, majors, et cetera on their advisory board. It's really pretty sick. But you know what? At least – I don't know. It gives you a sense at least – not more than a sense. It takes away any doubt whatsoever that the U.S. government is totally under the control of these creatures.

Alan:  I think the U.S. government was maybe set up for this very purpose. I always think of the symbols of the U.S. from the beginning, actually before the beginning, all the Masonic symbols are so open. They're ancient symbols going way back to Sumer actually through Egypt with the eagle, the symbol of Manasseh with holding the arrows in one hand and the olive branch in the other. Of course you've got 13 fruit and 13 arrows in the U.S. one and the Rothschild family has the same symbol with 5 fruit and 5 arrows for the 5 sons of Rothschild but it's the same part of the coat of arms.

Jackie:  And there was the 13 original colonies.

Alan:  That's right and before that, I've got an old book from the early 1800's with the coinage and the tokens they were using for money prior to the revolutionary war.

Jackie:  In the colonies?

Alan:  In the colonies and this stuff about FDR putting the Great Seal or putting the pyramid on the money with the All-Seeing Eye on the pyramid, this was done before the Revolutionary War because if you check into the tokens that they were using and the money they were using prior to that in the colonies you will see the same thing there. They were using the pyramid and the All-Seeing Eye prior to 1776.

Jackie:  Yes well Alan, the chapters of the book that I have been working on so diligently for the past week and a half. Maybe it's been two weeks. I don't know. I've just lost time. It's chapters 16, 17 and 18 and they're already to go over to Darrin. In fact, I've got them sitting there just ready to send over. This is exactly what was addressed in these chapters. Well actually chapter 16 turned into three of them because first we were looking at the connection between the Talmud and the freemasons, the Jews and the freemasons. I mean it just leaves no room for doubt and then the question came into my mind actually after I finished chapter 12 of the book about the Revolutionary War because they constantly take claim – they brag that every single revolution that they were behind, so I got to looking into that and there is absolutely no doubt that it was orchestrated and pulled off and paid for this Hyam Solomon that is the big hero of the revolution. There's one of the bios on him from I think it's called Wikipedia. It's an encyclopedia online. Well Wicca or something like that. I thought of what you said about Wicca. But anyway, they come right out and say that he went over to France and got money from the Rothschild's to finance the Revolutionary War and in so many ways how they were involved in this and one of the pieces that I was excerpting from said that when the Declaration of Independence was written it was sent to Holland via St. Eustatius. I think it's St. Eustatius or something like that. It was an island where the Jews had developed a stronghold and they were supplying et cetera--

Alan:  Gunpowder was coming in too.

Jackie:  That's right. But here's what it said, that the Declaration of Independence was sent to Holland via the Jews from St. Eustacia. And that it was stopped by an English ship and confiscated and that the Declaration of Independence had a letter along with it that was explaining the document and it was in Hebrew. The letter was in Hebrew and then I found a piece on the French Revolution and that was the last thing I added to chapter 18. Well I started doing some research on Lafayette, I got wondering about that guy. That was the French – he entered the war. He was a wealthy Frenchman came over, he actually according to the bio purchased a ship and put together a bunch of – I guess they were revolutionaries. Actually, they didn't call them that. But Lafayette was a Freemason and he was the Grand Master of the Grand Orient Lodge until his death. He came over here and helped whip the colonists into fighting shape along with his revolutionaries that he brought with him. Then he goes back to France and then of course Benjamin Franklin was the Ambassador to France for five years after that, so was Thomas Jefferson, and it said that after he went back to France he kept very close contact with brother Benjamin Freedman and then Thomas Jefferson and then it proceeded to say that – I forget the words they used. Basically, he helped to foment the Russian Revolution and actually fought in it and then again in 18 – maybe it was 31, I can't remember the exact date. He actually led a revolution to take down the Bourbons, so this was an international revolutionist.

Alan:  It was international. Albert Pike wrote about it.Albert Pike said at that time in the 1800's, he said that we are behind revolutions. He didn't mince words about it and he said that we never begin a premature revolution. In other words, they do all their groundwork first. It takes years to set up. They train the people to do exactly what they're to do. They go over every possible scenario that could occur and ways to defeat oppositions long before it even begins and he said that's why they're so able to pull it off; and then Pike trained Giuseppe Mazzini, which is just Josef Mason. That's what it means. Mazzini is Mason, and he became the head of the World Revolutionary Party in Italy and that became the communist party Lenin took over from Mazzini. This was a continuous thread right through the Scottish Rite of Freemason from Charleston in the States.

Jackie: In the book that I excerpted from in chapter 16 was titled "The Cause of World Unrest" and it did mention that letter that Mazzini allegedly wrote and how they said that they were going to loose the nihilists and the atheists. I mean the bloody terror that they were going to cause and it all has happened that way. And the thing that's amazing to me, I found this piece on the French Revolution and in 1789 which is of course when the treasonous U.S. Constitution was being ratified here during the French Revolution or just before it – anyway, they came up with what they called the Declaration of Rights of Man and Citizens, okay. Well, guess who wrote that? Well, in the first place, this article and I excerpted this and is the last part of chapter 18 the article said if you look at article 1 of the French Declaration and you look at article 1 of the UN Resolution you see that they're almost identical, and Alan, they were. I went and looked them up and put them in there and then so I'm reading this French Declaration and then you get down to the bottom and it says the above document was written by Major, General or whatever, Lafayette and his good friend and neighbor Thomas Jefferson. So there we are and of course they said a lot of it was based on the Declaration of Independence. Well, who wrote the Declaration of Independence? It wasn't Thomas Jefferson. His name was put to it, but when you've got the same damn language from back in the 1700's right up to 1948 and the UN is the same creatures with the same plan.

Alan:  There's no doubt this has been an old plan that's been worked down through the centuries to get to total control and it's a scary kind of future they envisaged because it is total control. They don't believe in individual freedom. They believe in the collective and they also under the guise of – because they use communism of course to the extreme because the final system, which we see right now in fact, has a fascist elitist group at the top with a massive bureaucracy running the common people under a communistic system, socialist system. It's a combination of the two and Lenin himself said there are three explanations to describe communism. He says there's one for the workers, which is very simple because they must get the workers behind them for revolution sake and they will think that it's going to give them equal rights and so on. Then there's one for the middle management level, which is more detailed in the scientific socialism which is very important. Then of course there's actual real ones at the top who understand the agenda and that is for those who deserve to rule the world have the right because of their superior intellect, they have the right to manage the lives of every single individual on the planet.

Jackie:  Wasn't Voltaire somebody that has been pushed out there like a great?

Alan:  Voltaire – just like today they use a lot of writers and novelists and so on because most ideas are put across through fiction because your guard is down and you enjoy the book and you don't realized you're being programmed along a certain way. Voltaire initially was from Switzerland. A lot of them came from Switzerland, these revolutionaries. Voltaire was groomed by a woman in Switzerland, a very wealthy woman. He had to leave there eventually because he was caught three or four times exposing himself in the streets to children and so they took him to France and eventually Benjamin Franklin took over as the Grand Master of the French Orient Lodge and he initiated Voltaire into the society.

Jackie:  Yes he did. I read about that – and this was right from the Grand Lodge, The Ancient and Accepted da-da-da from Scotland, and it was a piece on freemasonry. It told about all these wonderful people like George Washington and Benjamin Franklin and Voltaire and Lafayette. It told all their names. But anyway, it told in there that – I think Voltaire was in his 70's according to this when he was initiated into the higher degrees and that brother Benjamin Franklin did the rites and everything and then Voltaire touched the lambs wool, the apron to his lips with tears in his eyes.

Alan:  That's right. When he did that with his apron, I guess he exposed himself again.

Jackie:  I guess he would have, wouldn't he?

Alan:  There was so many perverted people in these societies towards the top and of course the ones down below don't know that but they are very perverted and it's almost as though they're selected for that. People who have a grudge against society or they're personally an outcast because of their preferences are used to promote the agenda through writing and today it's movies and so on, but this is an old technique. Benjamin Franklin also belonged to the Hellfire Club in England outside London High Wycombe and it's an interesting name, High Wycombe, from Wicca, you see, and they had the riotous orgies there. The odd thing was during the Revolutionary War when Franklin was over in France, he traveled there every other month to London and he got into London – no one stopped him. You think he'd be arrested, but he was allowed to come and go into London and attend these orgies at the Hellfire Club and of course the actual Hellfire Club itself is still standing today and they had about five years ago in the British newspapers they renovated it and they did take up the floor boards and they found the remains of I think it was five or six babies.

Jackie:  Oh, they were doing sacrifices.

Alan:  They were either doing that – but they were doing more than that. They were doing selective breeding because every High Masonic club at that time had a type of brothel attached.

Jackie:  All right, listen. Hold the thought. Don't lose your train of thought because we have to take our break. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be right back with Alan Watt. And please don't lose your train of thought there. The babies and the selective breeding.

All right, we're back with Alan Watt, and folks, those of you who listen regularly are very aware that Alan has written three books. His third one is now being delivered and I'm going to have Alan explain a little bit about the books and give you his address for those of you who would be interested. The reason I see these as so critical is that Alan gives us a lot of ancient history and as he's said over and over again that the same things happen down through the ages and for me and I believe that. I didn't disbelieve it at all.

But Alan, I was explaining this to you. The research that I've done and all of the connections that have been made and that there can be no denying that what you said about the U.S. being founded to bring in the final plan of the New World Order, the world they've planned for world dominion. With all the information that I've discovered there can be no denying it and there's something different about believing it and actually knowing it and it's sort of like taking a magnifying class just to one little piece of history going back 200 years. When you see the plan besides the writers and the producers and the directors and the actors and all of the intrigue and all of the machinations, you realize that this same plan with the same type of activity – it's like a pattern that has gone on throughout the ages right up to today all over this whole planet and your books take us way back there and help us literally to get out of the forest so we can see the trees. I guess that's what it is. That's what I wanted to say about that. If there's anything else that you want to say, you go ahead.

Alan:  Both Franklin and Jefferson made the same statement in their memoirs and they both said that the federation or the confederation of the United States would lead to a confederation of the world, of the nations, under one government run by 12 wise men. The 12 wise men of course in the Cabala is the perfect number of government. These guys were steeped in Cabalistic teachings.

Jackie:  In Hyman Solomon's – one of his bios that I read they said that it has been said that he actually he wrote the Declaration of Independence which is hogwash too and that he designed the Great Seal of the U.S. and that he always knew that America would be a world – an empire or something like that.

Alan:  That's why of course Wolfowitz and the rest of these boys in that club have said that this is the New American Century. They say there must be an empire. There's always been a world empire leader and they are the new world empire leader, so they've almost achieved their goals.

Jackie:  Yes they have and you know I've thought about that with the John Birch Society's magazine "The New Americans."  I wonder if that's a code for them for New America, the New American Century.

Alan:  Birch is a Masonic term.

Jackie:  Birch was a Mason.

Alan:  Birch, Ash, Icke – Icke is oak in German. He's oak, you see, which is higher than the birch, and so they use these trees for specific designations and it's a warning to all masons what they are. Masons always have their little clue there through the names of societies and so on.

Jackie:  You know the Birch Society reprinted [Berule's] book. What the heck was the name of that book? You know Abby Berule, the Secret Societies or whatever and in the preface of the book they had said that freemasonry is no longer – it's now benign. In other words, there's no power left in the freemasonry. Welsh. That was his name, right?

Alan:  That's right.

Jackie:  Welsh. What kind of a name is that?

Alan:  Again, it's not from Britain, put it that way. It's not Welsh, it's Welch, 'ch.'  A lot of these names are abbreviated. They compact them. You'll hear the name Baruch who was the banker. Now a lot of them of the same name compacted it down to Birk (Burke, Burk), for instance; so Welch is like Wel-loch or Wel-lash and so they compact it down – that's what they do with a lot of these names.

Jackie:  Are you having a storm there?

Alan:  Not yet. They're still spraying. It's building up to it though.

Jackie:  I just heard almost cracking like lightning.

Alan:  There may be further south.

Jackie:  Tell our listeners about your books and they can get them.

Alan:  Yes. There's three of them and I call them Cutting Through and there's I, II and III. [See www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information] and I'll get it back to you as soon as I can.

Jackie:  And you do recommend if they're only getting one book and they don't have the first one they should get the first one first?

Alan:  Yes. I lead them through the Masonic steps and leading up to the final one, which is a lot of ancient history to do with the same takeover techniques with the money boys and so on in ancient times through what records remain and you can see how incredibly precise this high masonry is. There's nothing slipshod about it. It's a science. A definite science, so much so, that your whole language as been created and masonically encoded in the 1500's when they updated English from the old German Saxon to what we call English today and Francis Bacon who helped to do that and he talked about it. He said, "we are creating the international language of the future which will be called English." They had a whole team of priests basically working on the creation of the English language and Shakespeare worked with them too, and Shakespeare through his plays introduced – I can't remember how many thousands of words, over I think 100,000 new words, into the English language. Basically, they created the English language.

Jackie:  Why are they making a big deal today about everybody having to learn Spanish like here in the U.S.?

Alan:  It's simply for the U.S. to have more friction. They're building up internal friction within the United States on purpose and then they'll pass laws which are coming down on everyone and then they'll come out with all the solutions to it. They've done the same in Canada. They have French and English. They've tried this in different countries so they know how to create friction very easily.

Getting back to the Hellfire Club, in the 1700's and right up to today in some very high clubs they have brothels attached to them. Now these weren't normal brothels in the usual sense; they did have women who worked "regularly" you might say, but they also had the higher prostitutes who were very high-class prostitutes with certain genetic lines in their blood basically, in their genes; and the Hellfire Club when Franklin was a member, the top one there was Madame Bouvier.

Jackie:  That was related to Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy?

Alan:  That's right. In fact, there's two of them still alive today, two of the Bouvier's in France, two sisters. They were highly sought after and if you could serve the system well of Masonry to further the revolutionary cause towards global governance by this intellectual elite or you contributed to science—that's why they all try to get their names in the science books—then you were allowed to mate with one of these high women, and the offspring then was trained and brought up as a tongue-in-cheek "orphan." The "window's son" they call it, and he would be trained for high office either in bureaucracy or politics. This still goes on today and there's talk even that Bill Clinton was one of these and that his father was one of the Rockefellers but his mother definitely was a high-class Madame Bouvier type who went to the very wealthy parties all over Europe and America.

Jackie:  Oh, she wasn't the lowly maid?

Alan:  Oh, no. No. She went to very expensive parties and traveled extensively.

Jackie:  You know I was wondering about this Lafayette. In his bio they said that his father died when he was two years old and that 11 years later his mother and grandfather died leaving him immensely wealthy and he was trained at the military school there and by the age of 16 I mean he was a professional solider. It made me wonder when the mother and grandfather died 11 years later if it was a natural death, or an accident, or were they taken out of the picture so their minion could have that kind of wealth.

Alan:  Well, it's that and it's also to cover the fact that they have brought up these children with one training and that's the expertise in martial war. Napoleon was also raised for that exact same purpose and when they came out with the first Declaration of Rights in France, they also said that we think that a man may come out of Corsica—where Napoleon was born and raised. A man might come out of Corsica and lead the revolution to glory; and of course Napoleon came along and he was steeped from the age of five onwards in nothing but warfare and warfare techniques. They train them specially for their function in life. It's quite fascinating.

Jackie:  I thought he came in after the revolution.

Alan:  Yes, he did but the revolution was failing. The "mountain" as they call it, the old masons, the older elders, they formed a huge part of the government. They were always arguing with the younger ones and Napoleon stepped in and took it over and he literally didn't change just France. He changed every country that he went into.

Jackie:  Well, he must have ticked them off because they vilified him.

Alan:  They vilified him in one sense, but in another sense he did much more. He did what he was supposed to do. He helped unify other countries into larger countries. That's part of the ongoing war program is to – like the Soviet Union did. They took all these small countries and incorporated them and then gave them exact same system of money, education, bureaucracy and so on, until you couldn't really tell them apart. Napoleon did help to unify a lot of the countries, small, tiny countries into larger ones, and that lead up of course to the first world war, step-by-step, it's all going in the same direction. Now you have a United Europe, which was also Napoleon's dream and it was also Winston Churchill's dream. That was part of it. Karl Marx talked about a United Europe, a Pacific Rim conglomerate and a United Americas, and he wrote about that in the 1840's and said they'd all be under a super world government. This is nothing new. It's all been put out there. It's just isn't taught much, if at all, in schools. However, the books are there in the universities. It's an ongoing process and the United States is simply finishing off the task, and as it finishes off the task its standards of living must come down to meet those of the rest of the world which is being leveled.

Jackie:  They're leveling the playing ground, the playing field.

Alan:  See, a country which cannot feed itself, number one, and the farming basically is going right out the window in Canada and the States. It can't feed itself. It has no industry to even rearm if they had to by themselves, is no longer a nation really. In other words, they're helpless, so they need the international system now.

Jackie:  There was somebody evidentially on the Fox New Network and I don't know who it was but I did get the email and the interview and I skimmed it and this yo-yo said on Fox News that he's expecting within 90 days something very – another terrible attack on the U.S. I don't know if it had something – by the way, there is an article and I checked it out myself from the Navy Times. The title of the article was "Uncle Sam Wants You Even if You're 42 Years Old" and that was the article from the Navy Times. I went and got it and then there was I think New York Times article and said that the Pentagon was calling for raising the age on recruiting to age 42.

Alan:  They had a blurb on one of the newscasts that they'd actually taken in undertakers – recruited them, called them into duty and I think they were close to the age of 60.

Jackie:  Undertakers, that would be to take care of all the dead bodies?

Alan:  Yes. The U.S. according to the BBC and CBC in Canada is having a tough enough job just policing Iraq and they want to go into Iran, Syria and so on, so they must have trouble in all the other countries that are going to help them to motivate them to help them. That's why you're having all this trouble in London and so on. If you were a true terrorist you would sit back because Tony Blair and his cabinet were ready to get kicked out of parliament after all the inquiries which were out in the open and about all the lies that he told to get the public to go along with the war. He was on his way out and then the week following the bombing was scheduled to be mass demonstrations in the streets against the ID card and why would the terrorists go and help Tony Blair?  Because off go the bombs, he's back up on the podium again and "we're here to protect you." He's in charge. He's the man of the moment and out goes the ID. The public are getting it.

Jackie:  The real ID like we've got here?

Alan:  It's the same company that's manufacturing it for the world and it's an active chip inside it and you must carry it at all times and it has your health on it and everything. Plus, it will be used they have said for your bank card as part of the cashless society. That's out in the open over there, so they'll monitor everyone's transactions. This is total observation.

Jackie:  There's a piece there titled "New Order of the Barbarians."  I've talked about it before. In fact, a long time ago I read most of it to our listeners and this insider Dr. Richard Day – this was back in the early or mid-60's speaking to a group of pediatric physicians in Pittsburgh was telling how they were going to bring all of this about. It is absolutely amazing. Dr. Lawrence Dunegan who I believe just recently passed away was a pediatrician, one of the attendees and Dr. Day told them that several years ago he wouldn't have been able to tell them what he was going to tell them that night. But he said everything is in place and nothing can stop us now. We are going to go in to the 21st century with a running start he said and this time we're going to get it right and he goes into detail about what they're going to do. That's what sparked this thought in my mind, Alan, about the cashless society and how they'll do it and how close a track they'll be keeping and when you read this you will have no doubt that this was told by an insider. It wasn’t somebody who made it up. He even talked about the people who believed that they could run and hide. Maybe go out and live in the woods or something. He said we'll burn the forests down and what the heck are they doing today, Alan?

Alan:  I know. The Ministry of Natural Resources had a documentary on with the Forestry Commission and it's so interesting. I always laugh at the theories as they swap from a complete opposite theory and the opposite becomes the new norm and now the guy who use to fight the fires – the new theory is that they should set the fires. Of course, British Columbia had over 3,000 fires last year and a lot of people lost their homes in it and the ministry is now starting these supposed control burns, which have the habit of getting out of control. That is the new norm now. I noticed that none of the animal rights activists are even talking about this, which doesn’t surprise me, because think of all the animals that are getting killed and roasted in these fires.

Jackie:  And part of the insanity as I recall. This was quite a few years ago in California and some people were burning brush around their homes to make a firewall and these people were fined because there was some kind of a mouse that lived in that kind of brush. These people were actually fined for setting the fires that literally wound up protecting their home from the forest fires; and yet, like you said, they're burning all these forests down and many animals with it and these animal-loving organizations aren't saying a damn word.

Alan:  They're willing fools and it's only their leaders who know the real agenda, but the willing fools are just another class of sheep just like religious people. They do what their leaders tell them and that's why they're not protesting. Their leaders, just like the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union was run by NGOs, primarily women, and I've got that first-hand from a lot of people from the Soviet Union and they were all handpicked by the politburo all the leaders of these NGOs and it's exactly the same here. The Rockefeller Foundation I know for a fact because one woman works for them and her job is to write checks to these NGOs. That's all she does. Thousands of checks and the Rockefeller Foundation is backing most of them and along with that comes the Rockefeller policy. If you accept the money, accept the policy.

Jackie:  And the NGOs in one of the UN's writing that I have, they're talking about the UN becoming a true world parliament and that the only thing that was missing was the voice of the people and then basically what it came down to is that the NGOs are the voice of the people and to use an example of that the – oh, what the heck is it? The business. Gee, everybody joins it.

Alan:  Rotary club.

Jackie:  No. When you own a business. Oh shoot. I went through this the other day talking about this with somebody and the name escaped me. It's local. Chambers of Commerce, Alan.It's one of the oldest NGOs. It's international and of course then it's national and then of course it's state and then it's local and I was a member of the Chamber of Commerce for years when I owned my business, until I found out that they were promoting the NAFTA and I was beginning to wake up and I got out of it. But when you think about the millions of people who were members of the Chamber of Commerce and there's the Chamber of Commerce at the international level speaking out for all of the UN programs. They take this. That all of the millions of people that are members of the Chamber of Commerce, the chamber is speaking for those people and that's the parliament of the people are the NGOs.

We are out of our hour. Alan, thank you. You know what? I don't know. Maybe you'll come back tomorrow night. You know what entered my mind as you were talking was the hermaphrodite when you mentioned women and we had a conversation about that and I think it would be very interesting for our listeners and so maybe we could pick that up tomorrow night.

Alan:  Sure.

Jackie:  Okay, thanks. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being here and God bless you and have a lovely evening, folks. Have a nice day tomorrow. Alan, thank you. Good night.

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Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  It is Tuesday.  It is the 26th of July, in the year, 2005.  I hope you had a nice day, folks.  It was up in the high 90s here today, and I don't know, the humidity, it felt like about 140%, but we had a storm this evening, but it seems to have cooled off and that's a blessing.  We talk about the weather a lot, don't we?  We just, well, it is the weather, whether we like it or not.  Basically, that's what it is.  Because it's being controlled and modified, and they're causing, the controllers are causing a lot of problems for people, besides health problems, destroying the farms, and just probably having fun with their little game.  Anyway, Alan is back with us tonight.  We were, just before we went off the air last night, he had mentioned something that sparked a conversation that we had had.  I thought it was very intriguing and I thought that you folks would like to hear what, we've talked about this before somewhat, that the Plan, if you would, the Ultimate Plan, according to what Alan says, is to actually recreate, literally recreate the physical human body, and simply have unisex, a unisex individual, a hermaphrodite.  I guess that's, I don't know if you would call it unisex or what.  Alan, what would you call it?

Alan Watt:  It's the end product of supposedly the next Great Leap Forward, which is to create two in one.

Jackie: Yeah, would you call that unisex?

Alan: In a sense, in a sense it will be a true bisexual, you know.

Jackie: A true one because it will have both female and male organs.  We talked about that.  Well, when we were talking the other night and you got talking about this, what they're already capable of doing, can we kind of repeat that conversation?

Alan: It's the oddest thing, when you go back into ancient history, and Plato for instance talked about, now these are allegories for something to come rather than something that was.  So he refers to the deity or the creator or the god that they secretly worshiped, the aristocracy of Greece and he refers to it as being both male and female, male in the front, and female behind.  And it's almost a joking way of putting it across that rather than walk, the thing actually sort of rolls or handstands and that's how it moves, and the way that he continued this conversation was to say that eventually the deity separated the male from the female, but not all of them he said were male and female.  He said, sometimes it was a male in front and a male behind.

Jackie: What does that mean, a male in front and a female behind?

Alan: Well, that's what he was saying, was that they weren't all male and females.  Some of them were male both ways.  And he was using this allegory for the fact that so many Greek aristocracy, well, most of them actually were homosexual, and he said they were looking for their soul mates.  And so he used a story to validate their lifestyle you might say.  So, he said, that's why the aristocracy was actually involved in pedophilia really.  Because they were searching out their soul mates.  And of course, the nobility, including Plato himself.

Jackie: And the soul mate would be male?  Yes?

Alan: That's what he was getting at.  And the Greek nobility shared an awful lot in common with the Egyptian nobility in that they all believed in reincarnation, but they also believed that the spirit or the soul, the soul itself.  There's a big, big difference between the soul and spirit according to Plato.  But the soul itself was not gender neutral.  It actually was male or female.  So they believed they came back each time as males, you see.  And because the other parts that would split off from them, eons before that, was what they were searching for, and supposedly that gave them the right to have sexual, well, interaction with young boys.  The odd thing again, when you jump from that even to the writings in the Talmud and in Jewish folklore which comes from much, much older cultures, they also believe the same thing, that the deity was both male and female, therefore he made Adam in the same image, the perfect likeness, the perfect sameness, meaning that Adam was initially both male and female, and that the real fall came when the female was separated out of Adam.

Jackie: Well, it says in there, male and female created he them.  And I've always wondered, you know, what that particularly meant.  Created he them.  Male and female.

Alan: And of course, it's in translation you start to see the differences.  In the actual Greek, the word that's used for this perfect sameness is imago or image.  And that actually comes from the term which you use to describe the shell of an insect.  When you open the shell of an insect, the cocoon, you have the perfect image inside that cocoon of the creature that lived inside of it.  And so, in other words, the initial Adam was the perfect sameness as the deity, meaning that he also had the same powers and everything.  And then the female was separated eventually from him, and that's when he lost his power.  However, in all Masonry, and pre-Judaic, pre-Hebrew, this was already accepted in the Egyptian culture and in the Greek, ancient Greek culture, was that when Eve was separated, or the female was separated, the male retained the spirit, and the female simply retained the right to reproduce her own kind on the earth.  And that's still true of higher Masonry today.  That's why Albert Pike, and Mackay and others all said that the female can only reflect like the moon, she can only reflect her husband’s glory, who is the sun.  He has spirit.  That's what it means.

Jackie: That sounds like a friend of mine, during the time we were campaigning for Bo Gritz.  He was one of those hellfire and brimstone guys, and he loved Paul and the Old Testament, and he called himself a Christian.  And he was a divorcee, and he said to me one day, it was a shame that, no, no, that was about me, it was a shame that so many good people are going to go to hell.  But he was talking about his wife and daughter, he said, God is no longer in that home.  And when I asked him what he meant, he said the male is the Godhead, and when I left that home, God left.  And let me tell you, what's really pathetic about it, he said it not as if he really believed that, that he would be in pain for his wife and daughter, but he said it in a real, holier than thou and superior attitude, like he thought it was cool.

Alan: Well this is an ancient belief.  As I say, Masonry today has simply adopted a much older religion or mystery religion that flows through all the ancient cultures and the aristocracies, right, as I say, back to Egypt and even back to Sumer.  So, this is an ancient, ancient belief, hidden belief in the secret societies, which still is ongoing today, that that's the big secret, that Eve basically has no spirit.  She is mother, which is matter.  I mean, even the language supports this belief system, so she can only reproduce matter, whereas the male is the initiator of life, the female then takes over and reproduces.  But her world is the world of matter.  That's what they believe, mother/matter, you know, so that's why again women in the Eastern Star are fooling themselves and all the other, many, many branches of female side degrees, that were put in there simply to get the females on board as they say.  Pike and Mackay and others all state that.  Plus the Quatuor Coronati Lodge in England, which is the main historical lodge of research for Masonry, they all say the same thing, that these are simply show degrees, and don't contain the secrets.  Getting back to the hermaphrodite, it's so odd that all priesthoods down through the ages have taken the same route of primarily recruiting males.

Jackie: The what males?

Alan: They've taken to recruiting mainly males to be priests.  It wasn't until the Protestant so-called Revolution, which wasn't their revolution at all, it was already planned by the same side.  There's only one side in everything.  And that's when they started bringing the families you might say, the male and the female into the church.  But even so, it's still retained by the male, all the authority within the church.  Or at least it used to be, you know.  In the Catholic Church it still holds to that effect, and of course, in most other cultures, such as the Muslim and so on, it's still, the reins of power are still in the muftis, the priests.

Jackie: Yeah.  You know what I heard, that is probably so, when God created man, she was only kidding.

Alan: Well, sometimes I wonder, because it certainly seems to be a joke, you know.

Jackie: Yeah, it's a joke.

Alan: No, this is an ancient goal, was to reach perfection as they say.

Jackie: Well, these are weirdos, Alan.  I mean, we're talking about some real weirdos here, let's face it.

Alan: Yet they're weirdos with the power and the system based on money.

Jackie: To bring their dream about.  Yeah, well what I'm saying though is that, just because it's such an ancient held belief, I'm not saying that it isn't a possibility that in "the beginning" when they were first genetically engineering the human body, maybe there were hermaphrodites, but where this thing about the soul comes in, I mean, that's just idiocy.  We're dealing here with some real idiots.  And I don't mean idiots in the manner of not being educated, or being stupid.  I mean, they're idiots.  They're out of this world, Alan.

Alan: Well, you can certainly have idiots, but the problem is that they're idiots with power and that's scary.

Jackie: They are.  You bet it is.  Idiots with power.

Alan: And when you go, again, going back to the ancient mystery religions, like the Roman equestrian order, that was the high nobility order, they had so much in common with what we think of as the Old Testament, which is just a conglomeration of the Mystery Religion, as it already existed in all different peoples.  The equestrian order used to pitch a roofless tent in a field, and the novices would come in there for their initiation, and they did, definitely, have sexual, anal intercourse with what was then the Grand Master.  And then, when you jump forward to the Knights Templars you find the same thing was charged against them.  They were indulging in sexual intercourse with each other, and that is validated by a lot of different sources, including John Dee, who did his best to cover up for them.  But he did say that was one of the main charges which could not be denied, and we must remember, they were also a priesthood.  They were a priesthood, and that was quite common amongst priesthoods, you know.  So, what you find is, here's an interesting statement the Dalai Lama made, when he was asked, not too long after he'd moved out of Tibet in the '50s, and went to Europe, he was asked what he thought of homosexuality.  And he started to answer in the traditional Tibetan cultural stance, and then he checked himself, to realize that he was now in a new country with different views.  And he said, well, if it doesn't break the vows of chastity, then it isn't sexual intercourse at all.  In other words, to everybody's way of thinking, sexual intercourse is traditionally between male and female, therefore it doesn't exist, whatever men do amongst men is a different thing altogether.  And that was the traditional excuse down through the ages amongst all male priesthoods.  So, in other words, it's the old story of changing perspective by the use of different words.  And that's very, very common.  But the Knights Templars in their different statements, in different countries, did say the same thing, that they were sworn as brothers to alleviate each other's sexual needs.  So all this hoopla about the wonderful Knights Templars and the Red Cross on their chest and they were heroes, we have to really look at it as it was.  It was vastly different from the way it's portrayed in Hollywood.  It was a priesthood first, and they were warriors, second.  It was a priesthood.

Jackie: Don't they mention, don't they mention in the Old Testament the dog priests?

Alan: That's right.  But all of the cultures, that's what you'll find in all the histories of all the peoples, the same organization existed everywhere.  And they traditionally in all temples, and Israel was no exception.  At least the Israel that we know of did exist for about 500 to 400BC, it was no exception, and the archaeologists have proved it.  When you went to the temple, affixed to the temple at the front door, there was always the hall of prostitutes, where you would go in and have ritual intercourse, generally with a prostitute.  That was the generative power.  That was part of the process.

Jackie: A female, you mean?

Alan: A female.  But they also saw one on the other side of the main entrance, and that has a male standing there.  So it led off there for the males, if you wanted a male instead.  And that was the same in all, in Egypt, in Greece, all over.

Jackie: Well, let's bring this back to today if we could, because you were telling me that they have already announced it, in scientific journals, etc, that they're able to create hermaphrodites today.

Alan: Yes.  In fact, NASA did a two-hour documentary special, and it was narrated by David Suzuki, who does the wildlife programs generally, and he's a geneticist actually.  They talked about going off to mine the planets.  So you can imagine the cost of tin eventually, if they're going off the mine the planets.  They said it might take many years to get to a planet.  And the first thing they'd have to do, just like the old, old Star Trek series, they'd have to build underground quarters for living accommodations.  They said the trip would take so long that they'd have to alter the human body, perhaps into the hermaphroditic type, which is self-reproducing, and can also be put into a state of hibernation, and of course, what they were getting at as well, was that there would be less tension, by having the same species, just one type, no male and female in conflict or competition with each other, or competition with other males.

Jackie: And they could reproduce themselves.

Alan: Yes.  That's the whole idea.  And they said that they could actually do that and, in fact, they said they could make a human to be, alter a human to live in any type of terrain, or climate, and they could actually make you like Cousin It, if you imagine.  Cousin It was in, what do you call that program that used to be on, the Addams Family.  It was covered in hair.

Jackie: I don't know.  I didn't watch the Addams Family.

Alan: So if they went into an arctic type region, they could create a type of humanoid, and they can do it.  They said that, that would be covered with its own fur.  They could.  They can do that.

Jackie: This was a NASA presentation.

Alan: Yes and it was big, they spared no expense, naturally, because this is all to get the public to accept the vast expenditures into space research.  And of course, Joe Average has been geared up and brainwashed into supporting it and thinking it's exciting, when in reality, it has nothing to do with Joe Average.  It's only the plan of a small elite for the benefit of a small elite, and for the furtherance of their plan, which is to basically do on other planets what they've done here on earth.  Suck the life out of it, basically.  They said that the hermaphrodite can be made.  So, they obviously have plans to do it, since they admit they can do it.  I have no doubt they've been testing.  We know for instance that long before the double helix and the genes and so on were actually physically seen, they knew they were there.  And if you read Rutherford, who was the great mathematician, who did the dimensions of the Great Pyramid, Rutherford in his own memoirs said that he was employed by the World Medical Association.  This is the beginning of the 1900s.  He's talking about a World Medical Association.  And he said, to study human genes.  Now, why would you need a mathematician to study human genes around 1910, when supposedly they couldn't even see the genes by then?  He's giving it away that they could.  They were way, way ahead of what we're told.  And I'm sure the experimentation has been going on for an awful long time, and that's why they're so confident they can create anything that they want.

Jackie: I had a question that you explained.  We were talking about the chromosomes, the X and the Y chromosomes.  And I had to be refreshed on that.  The woman carries the X, the male carries the Y.  And then a male/female mating, if it's an X Chromosome that mixes with hers it's going to be a girl, but otherwise if it's a Y and an X, it's going to be a male.  Is that correct?

Alan: Yes.  That's right, and of course that's part of the mystery too, that they've always known, that the male produces in his sperm both X and Y.

Jackie: Oh, and the female only produces the X.

Alan: That's right.  So, when the male Y, and of course the letter Y in Freemasonry means two in one, two into one.  That's why they have such a big to-do about the letter Y.  Every letter in the alphabet means something in Masonry.

Jackie: Yes, and the X, really, literally could mean exed out.

Alan: The X is also something that you write off or discard.

Jackie: Yeah, like the X Generation.

Alan: That's right.

Jackie: Or like, you said, Ex, the former.  So, my question was, in my mind, that I asked you, how in the world does it reproduce.  This creature would have to have, of course, the male testes.  It would have to have a female uterus, and that was where I was feeling confused.  But you explained, maybe what you knew, or at least you figured could happen.

Alan: We are in a scientific age, where they can literally extract anything from any body.

Jackie: I know, but in a natural way, how would they reproduce?

Alan: Well that would be a new natural way, you see.  That would be the new natural.  And of course, they don't even have to have the male external organ to do it.  They can simply extract it and again, replant it you might say in another area.

Jackie: Or right up there.

Alan: It won't be that difficult.  And since they say that they can do it, it means they've already done it.

Jackie: Exactly.  And it's actually, it could say exactly where it is, when you think about it.  Just retract, you know, the outward appendages, but, okay, my question was, would they have to have sexual intercourse, in order to do it.  And you said, that probably not.

Alan: I don't think they'd actually want that.  I think they'd rather eliminate the sexual desire altogether.

Jackie: So they would create this creature to where it would somehow get a sperm connected up with an egg.  I mean, the body would have to be built somehow, where it could be released, or something.  Yes, Alan?

Alan: Yeah, it could be.  Or again, once again, it could be extracted, even.

Jackie: You mean by outer means, by somebody else doing it.  I have a feeling....

Alan: Or even a machine, really.

Jackie: A machine, okay, whatever.  But I have a feeling, I don't know why, but if they're going to do this, they're going to try to make it so it will all happen without having, you know, to plug in or whatever.  That there will be, maybe they wouldn't like that though.  They would lose some control, wouldn't they, Alan?

Alan: Yes.  And I can see the day coming, and they've written about this too.  There's a book called, Future Man, and I've got the ISBN and the author and so on in the Second Book that I put out.  That's an official scientific book, by various genetic research organizations, and it goes through a lot of this information, and they do, they've had huge meetings, international meetings about creating new types of humans to meet the scientific requirements of a scientific age.

Jackie: I can't imagine.  We have to, wait.  Hold your thought.  Because we're about to take a break and I'm just going to repeat what I said the other night.  I can't imagine this world without women.  We'll be back, folks, right after this, with Alan Watt, in this intriguing conversation.

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Jackie: And we're back with Alan Watt, and we're talking about, folks, if this sounds, really way out there to you, it's only because it is.  And yet, Alan, in the books that he has done provides as he was saying before the broadcast, the actual pages from these books, where they're talking about it.  And the clues are there.  And it's interesting Alan, not too long after we talked about this, the first time on the air.  Now, I think it was probably a few years ago, there was a big, what do you call, documentary on one of the channels.  I have C-band satellite, so I don't get all the mainstream, but HBO or one of those.  And it was on hermaphrodites.  And it was about people who were born, and yet, in this documentary, for the most part, the parents either had them turned in from one, either to one or the other sex.  But basically, there's an organization of hermaphrodites, and what they were saying, these are people who didn't have the change, that who they are and what they are is just fine.  And boy, if that isn't getting people ready to accept this, I don't know what is.

Alan: Well, we're in tremendous flux right now.  Everything that was natural, or seemed natural, is in flux now.  It's deliberately made so.  And of course, this has been written about by various organizations, including the Communists, of course.  They said a time would come where the Western Civilizations would almost crumble, and be ready to be born anew into another direction, and that's what's happening.  Everything that used to be valued as normal has been totally broken down.  And the Masons have terms for it where they build. In the Middle Ages they built huge cathedrals, and as they were building a new one, they were dismantling the old at the same time.  That's why they call themselves Masons.  It's society they build, and that has been under attack for a long time, especially since World War II. That was the first change, when they put the women into the workforce, as an excuse that the men were off to war.  And then of course it was followed by massive campaigns to get women into the workforce continuously, and in Europe, they played it out there that they had to get it for extras, to supplement her husband's pay, and then it became of course standard.  And now as you know it's the norm.  So women have been encouraged to give up that one outstanding and unique feature that they have, which is to have children.  And they give it up at the expense of their own psychological health and the detriment of the people, of course, in order to get a career.

Jackie: Because they think they have to.

Alan: This is all encouraged, deliberately so.  We had the sexual revolution, we must remember, the term was revolution.  We had the pop revolution, and then the rock revolution.  So all of this came at the same time.  And the drug revolution.  To destroy that which was, in order to prepare the way for that which is to come, which is the new society, which is already planned by people you'll never see.

Jackie: Yes.  And you know, a thought that occurred to me, which is a little frightening, because, okay, I guess what I'm doing is stepping into their shoes.  The people, the children who are brought up into this "new society", everything is so normal to them, what we call normal and what is normal in our mind, may have been given to us as normal.

Alan: That's right.

Jackie: Okay, do you see what I'm saying, Alan?  And yet, everything that isn't, what seems normal, natural.  I would have to say natural.  But then again, we don't know how much genetic tinkering, even with our food and the flowers, and all the plants, everything.

Alan: The inoculations even.

Jackie: Well, yes.  But genetic tinkering, I'm talking with everything that to us is natural today.

Alan: Of course.

Jackie: And so, if that is a possibility, I guess what I'm saying is, stepping into their shoes, anything else other than as it is would seem abnormal.

Alan: Sure and especially with the massive indoctrination that they get at school, which actually begins at kindergarten, the whole sociological program towards what they will eventually experience in their lifetime, and the changes which will come when they hit thirty or forty, and how they will react to it.  That's programmed into them as soon as they're two years old at kindergarten, in Europe.

Jackie: What was the movie, not Nineteen Eighty-Four, but, you know, where they have the incubator babies and things like that?

Alan: That's Aldous Huxley's book, Brave New World.

Jackie: Thank you, Brave New World.  Shoot, there was something that I wanted to say about that, and I've forgotten what it was, trying to remember what the heck the name of the book was.  Just go ahead and continue, Alan.

Alan: Well again that's a good example.

Jackie: Oh, I remember.  I remember, remember the people who didn't succumb to the system, who were living far away, that was in Brave New World, wasn't it.  They called them the Savages.  And I remember these women sitting around saying, oh my God, you're saying that they actually give birth to a baby from their body, because in that time, it was all the, what do you call them, from the bottles.  And that's exactly what could happen today, it truly is.

Alan: Well, there's been a lot of movies like that.  Sylvester Stallone did one movie where he's a cop who goes into the future through cryogenics.  He's frozen, and wakes up in the future, and he finds out they don't have sexual intercourse and exchange bodily fluids.  They use that term, you know, and the actress that played his opposite there looked disgusted that they actually used to literally mingle their bodies and their bodily fluids together.  So, this has been, they've got this across, in so many different ways, because all fiction is simply predictive programming, as Tavistock calls it.  It prepares our mind to accept something which we will experience in our lifetime.  And because we saw it though fiction, it seems familiar and the idea isn't so horrible.  That's why it’s portrayed this way.

Jackie: And as you were saying Alan, when we were having this conversation previously, and I always wish when we have those kinds of conversations we're actually doing it on the air, but what you were saying, you see, because in my mind, it was difficult to imagine how a man would want to not be with a woman, or that a woman would accept, you know, that type of a thing.  And it's as you said.  The women are already giving up the femininity of what a woman is.

Alan: Absolutely.

Jackie: They're giving it up.

Alan: Carl Jung wrote a book called Memories, Dreams and Reflections, and a few other books.  He was the psychiatrist that really was a true psychiatrist, as opposed to Freud, who was a fraud.  And Carl Jung did a visit to the States, in about 1953, and he was astounded, he said, when women lose their eros, their femininity and begin to emulate the males, then he said, that culture is on the decline to things unknown.  And he said he saw that for the first time in America, back in the '50s, where women literally tried to match the men in their strides, in the way that they walked, their gestures, and also, even emulating the kind of speech that men generally use.  So he saw it being portrayed right in front of his eyes in the United States.  So that's true.  When a culture loses its eros it's ready for anything that their masters plan for it.  Because there's nothing to hold on to.  You only fight for that which is.  When it's already in flux, and it is not what it was, then there's nothing to fight for, you see.  And that's the trick of this whole system.  It's so slick, so clever, that as we watch things changing, we are automatically adapting to them.  We're being downloaded with propaganda on a daily basis, from so many sources, that by the time we realize what's happening it's already too late.  And it's almost overwhelming.  We also have to realize that the men have their sperm counts taken every year by the UN, they do surveys.  Now, the UN has never declared why they're doing these surveys on the Western countries since the 1950s.  And last year, the sperm count in the average Western male, including America, actually in Britain, it was down 85% of what it was in 1950.

Jackie: In Britain or America?

Alan: In Britain.  America was 75% down.  So, in other words, the men are only 25% fertile as they were, as opposed to 1950.  And the UN gives these statements every year.  They never qualify it with a comment as to why they're doing this study.  You would think for instance, they would say, this is a crisis situation, but they don't, and that's the tell-tale that this is an agenda.  That it's being caused by probably the inoculations I think, primarily, and since the polio vaccines began in the '50s, by Doctor Salk.  Now Dr. Salk is known for the polio vaccine, he's lauded as a hero, and yet, when you go into the history books, about this man, he belonged to the World Eugenics Society.  He believed in survival of the fittest.  And he was all for eradicating the common person, because he said, in the future to come we won't need all these laborer workers.

Jackie: And that is the truth.

Alan: And he said there's too many of them, and they'll have to be eliminated.  And this is the guy that comes forth with a vaccine to save us?

Jackie: Yes.  And tell our listeners what you heard him say on the television at a Round Table.

Alan: This is a CBC documentary, in fact, on him.  And they showed you old 8mm clips where he's talking, he's standing in his white coat with a couple of his partners, and he said, oh, yes, he says, we did know that there were over a hundred simian or monkey viruses in each polio shot, he said, but we thought it outweighed the risks, you know, the benefits would outweigh the risks.  And he said, we did know that the Simian 40 Virus, that's just a numbering system to identify the particular one, and this is the fortieth virus they identified that everybody got, had one function, and that was to cause cancerous tumors.  So they knew all of this.

Jackie: I thought you said brain tumors.

Alan: No, it's all cancers.

Jackie: Oh, just cancerous tumors, period.

Alan: And so they knew this.  This comes from a man who in his own circle was better known for his speeches on eugenics and population control.  And yet, they conned the whole Western World into taking this shot, and now we find that most men are almost sterile.

Jackie: Well, I'll tell you what a lot of that probably has to do with too, is the estrogen dominance.

Alan: That's a plus factor.

Jackie: Well, yes.  Because according to Kurt Nubian, his information comes basically from Dr. John Lee.  There are 60,000 sources today of xenoestrogen, and xenoestrogen, folks, is an artificial estrogen, but the estrogen dominance causes femininity in men.  It causes infertility.  It causes women to have endometriosis. In fact, one of the reports that I found on this, Alan, came from a Canadian doctor.  And what was amazing to me, is that he said, for the past fifty years, and you remember, what's his name, Charles Galton Darwin's book, in the Next Million Years, that was done in the fifties, and he was talking about the use of the hormones, and how they would change the people.

Alan: If you want to pacify aggressive males who might just upset the apple cart during massive changes, you stop them from being aggressive males, and you make them effeminate.  And that's been done.  It makes perfect sense.

Jackie: Yeah, but it's also causing.  Okay, look at what else it's causing, besides sterility in the male, the low sperm count, they said that the incidence of hysterectomies, total hysterectomies, in Britain is high, only just behind the U.S., and they said something like 40-some percent of women will wind up getting total hysterectomies, and not even having to if they had their hormones balanced.  So, you've got the men losing their sperm count, and you've got the women having their reproductive organs taken out, Alan.

Alan: Yeah.  And you've got population control.

Jackie: No lie.  Population control, big time.

Alan: And of course, what they didn't, and they never do, promote through any of the Hollywood movies or the sexual educational programs, is the fact that most women are becoming infertile through their fallopian tubes being infected with chlamydia, which is a long, long acting infection.

Jackie: And it's sexually transmitted.

Alan: Sexually transmitted.  And so many men have it and don't know they've got it, because in the man, he has a mild, very mild warming, not a burning on urination, and he'll think nothing of it.  And so many, in fact, they did a survey in Toronto, as being an average Western city, they did a survey about a year ago, and they found that about 60% of women, 25 and under, were carrying one or more sexually transmitted diseases.

Jackie: Oh my god.

Alan: Because they're so promiscuous.  That's the new norm, you see.  That is the new norm.

Jackie: Well, they've covered their bases.  I mean, they just don't miss a lick, Alan.

Alan: No, they don't.  It's total warfare on the public, and it always has been.  Only now, over the last century, they stepped up the scientific techniques to accomplish it.  I mean, Proctor and Gamble admitted, there's another thing, they promoted, don't breastfeed your children.  And they came out with the ostermilk they called it, over in Europe.  And of course, the big pull again was to women's vanity.  Your breasts won't sag so much if you don't breastfeed your children.  And so many children lost out on the kicking off, the starting off, of their immune system, which they got from their mother's milk.  And then Proctor and Gamble promoted the other big thing.  Well, babies need special food now, you see.  I don't know how we managed for thousands of years without Proctor and Gamble.  And they were using a sterilization agent, a fluid, to wash out the jars before they put the baby food in it.  And it just turns out that years later they find out that it's also an artificial form of estrogen, a synthetic estrogen, and they didn't know that at the time.  And sure you have all these effeminate males now.  So, this is a plan.

Jackie: And I wanted to say this too, for our listeners, folks, plastics, I added this information, and Darren has already put it in, about what Alan and I are talking about, and to give you just a little list there of sources of the xenoestrogens, and basically, we spray it in our rooms, we spray it in the air, we brush with it, we smell it, we sleep with it, we live with it, we slather it on our bodies.  It's just about in everything.  This information is there.  And we also, Alan, I wanted to say this, I thought about it while you were talking.  We talked about this a long time ago, and I read to our listeners a report titled, The Deneuralization of America, or the Population, and this was extremely researched.  I went into probably two thirds of the sources that this article gave, and they were there, you know, the source scientific journals, etc.  So, be sure to check that out.  Alan, go ahead, I'm sorry.

Alan: I should mention the fact that I've got these three books to sell, you know.  They're called Cutting Through, and there's 1, 2, and 3.  The three of them.  And if you want one or all of them [ see www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com ] and I'll send them out to you when you order them.

Jackie: There you go.  And be sure that you put your full name and address and return address on it, or they won't deliver your mail.  And the books are certainly, definitely, worth having.  Basically, what it does, well, it's based on information that Alan shared with us over a couple or three years.  And confirmation of the information that he has given us, and I say that he brought us out of the Dark Ages.  He brought us out of the forest, so we could see the trees, and it's not been a happy or easy ride folks.  I will admit that.  And I think about you.  I mean, Alan, I just finished those three chapters of the book, and I was in a funk that was not good, and I realized that I literally was just emotionally exhausted.  And it was discovering the details of the things that you had already told us, but it was in more of a general way.  And to be able to look, behind the scenes, and see all of the players, it was almost overwhelming to me.  So, I think about our listeners.  I think about them and how they feel.  And folks, just know that, I don't know, rather than bemoaning all of what we're learning, maybe give thanks that we are coming closer to the truth than we've ever been in this lifetime.  We'll be back with you tomorrow night.  Thank you for being here, Alan Watt.  Thank you, so much.

Alan: It's a pleasure.

Jackie: As always, thank you.  Ladies and Gentlemen, Good Night and God Bless You.

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Jackie Patru: Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen.  Thank you very much for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  This is the 26th?  Yes, Alan?

Alan Watt: 27th, I think.

Jackie: Oh, 27th?  I just lost another day.  It's Wednesday the 27th of July.  You were right, Alan.  I had to check my calendar.  It's the 27th of July, in the year 2005, folks and as you obviously are aware, Alan Watt is with us again tonight.  Let me first begin here with our spiritual message.  And we'll bring Alan up.  This is from Ephesians 6, beginning with verse 12.  Well, we'll start with verse 10 here.  “Finally my brethren be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.  Put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all to stand.”  Every time I read that, I think about that wrestling, Alan.  I mean we wrestle not against flesh and blood.  It is without.  It is also within.  The wrestling goes on within us.  I know that.  I know that.  First of all, I want to say hello to our very good friend, John, and his friend, Bill, and their family who are camping in Allegheny State Park, here in Pennsylvania.  John is from New York.  And he was Chuck's boss, but Chuck's very, very good friend.  I was thinking about this tonight.  I got a call from John, Alan.  And they're out camping, and they have their shortwave, and he called to get the coordinates.  I hope they can bring it in.  It occurred to me they're out there in the woods, but when Chuck passed over, besides for myself and my family, my children and grandchildren who absolutely adored Chuck, I believe probably, and his family, of course, but John his friend probably was impacted the most of anybody that I know.  They were very close.  And so, I want to say hello.  And I hope you guys are listening, John and Bill at least.  And Alan, thank you for being with us tonight.

Alan: Yeah, it's a pleasure.

Jackie: I wanted to share something with you, with our listeners.  I pulled up some email, Alan, in fact when you called.  That's what I was doing.  There has been a bill that was passed that was yesterday, on the 26th.  I guess it just came to light today.  This came right from the government website, Thomas, where the bills and the status, etc.  Folks this is Senate bill 442.  Listen to this, Alan.  It's a bill to provide for the Secretary of Homeland Security to be included in the line of Presidential succession.  Isn't that amazing?

Alan: It makes sense though.

Jackie: Well this was sponsored for our listeners in Ohio, Senator Mike Dewine of Ohio.  And Alan, it passed the Senate without amendment and with unanimous consent.

Alan: Well, they all get their marching orders before they even see it.

Jackie: Yeah.  Michael Chertoff, you know I have made the statement, because I had read it, that he had been the former head of the KGB, and I think that it was not Michael Chertoff.  I think it was somebody else, an appointee of Bush's, but what I did is I got some information on Chertoff, just to clean this up with our listeners, because folks, I'm not confident that he was, as I have said, the former head of the KGB in Russia, but he is a dual Israeli/American citizen, US citizen, he's a son of a rabbi, he's a former assistant attorney general for the criminal division of the justice department.  I had never heard of him before, Alan.  And listen to this, Michael Chertoff, dual Israeli/US citizen, oversees the US bureau of citizenship and immigration.  My, my.  So, we can, I guess, he's the one that gives the rules for how many of these illegals get to come across the border and etc.

Alan: That's the whole agenda.  Everything is international already; it's just that the public don't know it.

Jackie: Yeah, well, you know, this, it makes you wonder what might be up.  I mean, what do they know or whatever is in the plan, why they're.  Wouldn't that be frightening?

Alan: Well, as I say, it's an old, old plan.  Albert Pike talked about it extensively, and said that Freemasonry would be used to push it worldwide through revolutionary movements, and it has done so.

Jackie: Through the revolutionary, yes.

Alan: And of course, if you remember, it was Dodd that did the inquiry into the merging of the Soviet system with the American system.

Jackie: Oh, you're talking about the educational system?

Alan: The whole system altogether, when he did the inquiry.

Jackie: Norman Dodd.

Alan: That's right.  And of course, that's what the Ford Foundation told him, that was their job, to change the culture in such a way that it would blend smoothly with the Soviet system.

Jackie: As a matter of fact that was during the time that Congressman B. Carroll Reece was holding the hearings, congressional hearings.  I think that was in the 50s, wasn't it, Alan?

Alan: It had to be.

Jackie: Yeah, the congressional hearings on the foundations, tax-exempt foundations, and for just further for our listeners, folks, Norman Dodd was one, he had some type of position on that committee; but it was the Ford Foundation he went to, Alan?

Alan: Yes.

Jackie: And when he asked to see their meetings of their minutes folks, and the man told him simply, and this was according to Norman Dodd, the man said, well, I would like to be able to you know, help you here, but he said that all of our meetings, our minutes are archived away, because he said after our work was done, after was it, was it, Alan, was it after the UN, after the US joined the UN.  But he said that their function had been, and they felt that they had completed it, to see that the US could be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.

Alan: And you must realize what a gigantic enterprise that was.  It meant that the educational system had already been taken over and was working towards that, because most of it is through indoctrination, and of course, the bureaucracies, people don't realize that bureaucracies, federal bureaucracies deal directly with their counterparts at the UN.  There's a similar bureaucracy for every level that your federal government has set up within the UN.  So they don't have to go and see representatives, they go straight to the UN and that's been going on since the League of Nations.  H.G. Wells talked about it in 1919.  He said that that means the bureaucracies and the heads of bureaucracies can deal directly with the League of Nations and bypass all representatives that are elected.  So this has been going on for an awful long time.

Jackie: Who was it that you quoted, the Freemason?

Alan: Albert Pike.

Jackie: Pike, right, Albert Pike.  The connections of Freemasonry with revolutions, with the American Revolution, and...

Alan: And the English one before that.

Jackie: Well, with all revolutions, Alan.  But that's what got me looking into it, because of all the reading that I've done, and there, from their own words, they keep claiming that, you know, their hand is behind every revolution.  And for some reason, I guess because we're so brainwashed, you know, the American Revolution, the War for Independence, that was exempt in my mind.  That didn't count because that was different.  And realized how their influence in the early colonies and in the Constitutional Convention, and etc, that was when the question entered my mind, Alan, well, what would make us think if they were behind every revolution, that the American Revolution was spontaneous?  And it was a real downer for me.  But, you know, it's like that quote, at least attributed to Patrick Henry, for me, I would know the truth, the painful truth.  I would rather know the truth than to continue to live in the lies that we were born into.

Alan: Yeah. I mean, they'd had international meetings before the Revolution in America, the leaders of Britain and France and other countries that were empire builders, and of course they could only go so far with their own populations who knew darn well that there was a small clique in every capital city running the whole show and benefiting from the wars.  And they'd gone as far as they could go, so they had to get a new knight in shining armor to pretend that they were going to lead the world to freedom.  And so they created the United States.

Jackie: The land of the free and the home of the brave.

Alan: That's what it was for.  And of course, that's why they said Novus Ordo Seclorum.  It's a new earthly or secular order.  And that's bringing in the New World Order, and that's what it was designed to do and all of its symbols are out in the open.

Jackie: And they referred to America as the New World.  The New World Order.  One of the things that I also delved into, and convinced myself and I hope the readers, that it isn't funny, I don't know why I laugh at some of this sick stuff sometimes, Alan.  We did not, the Americans did not win that war against Great Britain.  And when you look at the treaties in the first place, that first battle, or the last battle of Yorktown I believe it was, Cornwallis ceded the battle but not the war.  And it was quite a while after that before a treaty was actually signed.  And you see when you read that treaty that it was the king that was laying down all the parameters.  Even to where the colonists could fish, where they could dry their fish, and etc.  And then nine years later there was another treaty, it's called Jay's Treaty, and Jay, by the way, after he got back from England, from agreeing to this thing, was burned in effigy all over the country.  And Alexander Hamilton, the king's man, was behind this treaty, but basically the people even knew when word got out, what he had done, knew that he had sold America out.  But nine years later, they were still, Britain, England, still had military bases or forts out West, and they were still doing their trapping all over, you know, just as though it was still their country, and that was nine years after the so-called War of Independence was won by Americans.  It's really sick, Alan.

Alan: Well, when you've got to deceive the people, it has to be real.  So you create real wars, but only those at the bottom think it's for the reasons that they're fighting.  The guys at the top are well aware that, as Carroll Quigley said, wars are fought to change society.  It brings about social changes.  And sure enough, people swallowed it.  They thought they'd won.  They worked really hard thinking they were working for themselves.  They built up massive farms everywhere.  And of course, it never dawned on them that this hidden priesthood, let's call them, work in centuries, and they knew they could take it all back from them a hundred or two hundred or three hundred years down the road.  That's how they plan things.  And of course, America was the great hope for all the people who were getting thrown out of countries like Scotland and Ireland on mass, at the point of bayonets.  And these are the people who came across and started to clear the land and make something that was just wild forest before, and swamps.

Jackie: Yeah, but they still had the land barons.  When you read Charles Beard's book, An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution, what you realize is that the people who came over here and did all the labor, and did the settling, the land that was available to them was not the cream of the crop, because the land barons had already scooped up thousands and thousands of acres of the best land.

Alan: Washington was one of them.

Jackie: Of course, yes he was.  And people came over here and either had to take just, you know, the crumbs so to speak, or pay high dollar to get a decent.  And when the movement in America began heading westward, the speculators just went out west and bought up land there.  And so by the time the people got there, once again, these elite had all of the cream of the crop of the land out west.  It's really a comedown, you know.  You live in this dream, Alan.  You know, the dream, the American Dream.

Alan: Well, that's what a dream is. It's not real.

Jackie: Of course, although what I realized is this baby is a nightmare.

Alan: Yeah, you wake up from the dream into the nightmare.

Jackie: Into the nightmare, yes.

Alan: When you wake up.  This is an old, old scam, and it's been used before in history, and it's simply used again.  And after the skirmish, I call it, of 1812, it was Baron Rothschild's son who was sent over to reestablish the border between Canada and the US.  And he sat down with both sides and he drew up the 49th parallel, and they love the number 49, you know.

Jackie: 49, but why?  What does that signify?

Alan: It's 9 and 4, 13.  That's one of their favorite numbers.  That's why before most towns you'll see 13 miles or 13 kilometers to, and that's the last signpost you'll see.  It's all Masonic.  It's everywhere.  And that's the laugh on the public, because most of them don't realize it.  They're living in another world designed by another religion, and Albert Pike says that quite definitely two or three times in his own book.  He says, make no mistake, Freemasonry is a religion.  And it's a very deep religion, and towards the top it's probably the most elitist religion on the planet.  At the bottom they think it's a self-improvement society, but at the top, you know, it's a world where the elite have the right to live on the schmucks below.  That's how it's designed.  Another good book to read is the Robber Barons. That's an oldie.  And most libraries probably still have a copy.  And that tells you how the taxpayer funded the building of the railroads, which were basically handed over to the private companies.  And I know in Canada, most of the politicians all had shares in it.  So, once again, the public finances big enterprises.

Jackie: Who wrote the Robber Barons?

Alan: I've even got the cartoons.

Jackie: Do you remember who wrote the book, Alan?

Alan: I can't remember his name, but it's well documented and it's got all the names of the participants and the elite families, and how they ended up not only getting the railroad tracks built, but they got so many miles on either side of the track for free.

Jackie: Yes, they did.

Alan: And you know, it's one scam after another.  In fact, the Bronfmans came in from Russia, in the late 1800s, in the first wave, they came from Russia, about 1880, and they just happened to set up out in Saskatchewan way, and sure enough, eventually along comes the railroad going right through their land, and this very, very poor farming family we're told, who probably did no farming at all, and whose name in Yiddish just happens to mean Whiskey Man, that's what Bronfman means.

Jackie: Oh, Bronfman, you're kidding me.

Alan: No, that's what the name means, yeah.  And so it's all coincidence, of course, you know.  And anyway, they got the rights to all the hotels and whorehouses along the railroad track.  And then of course they bribed every politician.  They had prohibition passed in the States, and they smuggled all the booze into the States, and they shared that with the Kennedys, in the US.  And then of course, after they finished prohibition on the US side, they bribed all the politicians in Canada to then pass it in Canada.  So they simply reversed the flow of the booze.  It's just one gigantic scam after another, you know.  And that's what history is made up of.  And of course these families end up as multi-millionaires.

Jackie: His story.

Alan: Yeah.  They end up as multi-millionaires and they're in politics, and the people bow to them, you know.  The ordinary people bow to them.  And they're nothing but gangsters, you know.  That's all they are, just gangster families.  And that is the history of it, and that's what history is all about.  It's just one scam after another.  And there's no way that George of England had anything to do with the American Revolution, because George of England was mad as a hatter.

Jackie: Well, it was according to the bio on Hiam Solomon, the hero of the American Revolution, I know I said this last night, but it bears repeating, in his, in one of his bios, it says that he went to France and secured a huge sum of money from the Rothschilds to help finance the revolution, Alan.

Alan: And the British Rothschild financed the British side.  That's how it works.  It's amazing to watch this con game going on.  And what's even more amazing is that the monarchy in France helped the Americans with the revolution, because England had made so many plays to take over France in its history that the monarchy weren't on very good terms.  And then of course, once the American Revolution was over, it started in France.  They deposed the monarchy that helped them.  And it's interesting, even though it was taken over under a new system, it still had to pay that loan back, America still had to pay the loan back to the brand new type of government.  That still stood.  And that's what's amazing, even when governments change from one form to another, it does not affect the owing of money or the legal paying back of money.  It must still be done.

Jackie: Exactly.  That was part of the treaties that were agreed to after the war, the revolution, the American Revolution, that the British subjects, whose property had been seized by the government, had to give the property back to the British.  And they did not have to become American citizens, by the way.  You know what I'd like to do?  We're about to take a break.  And why don't you take this time, the next few minutes, and tell our listeners about your books, how they can get them, and then I'm going to go and take care of that barking.  She's wanting in this room is what she wants, Alan.  So, I'm going to be off mike until after the break.

Alan: Okay.  I have three books dealing with Freemasonry, ancient Freemasonry.  Freemasons.  The term that's used today is a recent term.  So, I go through the history of it, way beyond the guilds of England, of the Middle Ages.  Much, much earlier than that.  And I also go through the history up through the present times, and show you what's going on.  And I also give you a lot of the Masonic coding, which is all around us.  And if you want any of these books [see ordering information on transcript].

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Jackie: Okay, we're back with Alan Watt.  So, where do we go from here?

Alan: Well, it's a matter, the problem on the shortwave as we all know, is that we're either preaching to the choir, or we're preaching to people who have recently woken up and have looked around for other alternate means of news and it's not an easy thing to handle when you've just woken up.  Seldom do two people in a family wake up at the same time, and that often is the main problem that I hear, is that one has woken up and they're asking how to deal either with their spouse or their extended family, and I tell them generally that they have to learn to live inside their head, because if the other person hasn't woken up there is going to be tremendous conflict there.

Jackie: Live inside their head?

Alan: Yeah, in other words, the thoughts that they have, the knowledge that they have, rather than keep repeating it or sharing it with a partner who has their fingers in their ears, it's best to learn to live inside your head in that situation, because you can't make a person wake up who's not ready for it, no matter how much documented evidence you have, they have to be almost spiritually ready for it, you know.  So, you'll get a lot of conflict, because they want the old person back, the person that was quite happy with their life, or quite happy with the way things were, and went to work for their eight hours a day and watched TV when they came home.  That's what they want back.  And it scares them, when the one who's awake, it scares the partner to see them becoming animated, you might say.  Sometimes people panic in fact when they realize it's all a con game, and they realize where this is all leading to.  That's probably something that's never been discussed on the shortwave, is how to deal with that situation.  Those who do wake up tend to be very, very alone, and as I say, they have a tremendous, burning desire to share their knowledge, and it's always with the person next to them.  And if that person, as I say, is not ready for it, there's going to be tremendous conflict.  And of course they'll be called nuts and all the rest of it.  And it might even lead to divorce, in fact.

Jackie: Unless the person who has awakened, has an ability, as you said, to live in their head.

Alan: Yeah, you almost have to be two people.  The person they're used to, the person they expect you to be, and the one you really are.  You have to almost hide this now, although it's impossible to go back, that's the other thing, you can't go back to watching sports or whatever you used to do to pass the time, you realize that everything is there to either indoctrinate or to make you pass the time without thinking.  So you can never go totally back.  On the other hand, you have to realize that you're now awake, and those around you are fast asleep.  And you cannot simply by giving them information wake them up.  It doesn't work that way, you know.  They have to have something inside themselves to make them ready to wake up.  And you cannot do that for another person, you know.

Jackie: Unless, unless, well, eventually, I'm not saying eventually it will happen, but the possibility of it happening maybe, in fact, a long time ago we were talking about this, the brainwashing has been so intense and the mind control, and my question was because, what we "know" or think we know, all of the information that comes into the brain forms a pathway, and those pathways are there.  And my question in my mind was, can you replace what's already in that pathway that has erroneous information or does it have to be short-circuited.  And my guess was, it would take a short-circuit.  And when I asked you your opinion of that, that's exactly what you said, that it would have to be short-circuited, and then my next question of course was, how would that happen?  And you said, unfortunately for these people, it has to be something that hits them personally.

Alan: Yeah, it's a crisis of some kind.  And yet again, in a marriage situation, often it will go the other way.  The crisis will occur, but the person will often choose, because there's a choice involved here too, to remain in the life that they're familiar with, because it seems more comfortable to believe in it all, even though things are crazy with prices and all the rest of it, they still want to believe they're being taken care of, because they know themselves if they start to believe this and check into it, which they're scared to do, they'd have to rethink everything, everything they've ever known.  And that terrifies them.  That really terrifies them.  And so they risk a nervous breakdown to come into another reality.  And so often they'll choose the divorce instead.  So that's the conflict that arises.  And of course, if there's more family members involved, they might just gang together and demand a visit to the psychiatrist even.  That also happens to some people who phone me.

Jackie: Is that right?

Alan: Yeah, because it's too terrifying for them to start rethinking everything they've ever learned.  It's too terrifying for them to say, my God, that means that every newscaster, every famous face on television is there to fool me.  They cannot go that way, you know.  They want to believe in the Dan Rathers.

Jackie: Alan, it begins when we're born.  Because our parents were lied to the same that we were lied to.  And so, we live in literally a dream world.

Alan: It's a Disneyland.  And also, what they did thousands of years ago, they studied all mammals, and mammals all behave in the same fashion as humans.  We're another mammal.  And what you find is that if there's a crisis or something threatens the little family of mammals, the females run into the middle for protection, the males automatically form a perimeter to protect, and if they're attacked, then the males all go off to war, you might say, and try and beat whatever the intruder is.   And that works exactly the same way with human beings.  The women traditionally look towards the men for protection, in a rather violent world, and today, they're bypassing the husband of course, because this is the final stage of this system, this part of this system.  They're bypassing the husband and now government is directly dictating to the wives with regard to, you know, feminism and all the rest of it.  And government is appealing and saying, well, we're here to protect you, that's our job, and of course they're giving their power to the government.  They give their power to the beast, the one that promises to protect them.  And effectively the husbands are being bypassed.  And this was all done by design, because as I say, they understand mammal behavior, and they know how to interfere with the normal flow of it.  So we actually are the most studied species on the entire planet, human beings.  And they know how to manipulate the male and the female.

Jackie: Who are these creatures, Alan?  Who are these creatures that are studying "human beings"?

Alan: Well, these creatures themselves claim, as I say, they have their own inner religion, and they do claim that they were rebels in a spirit world.  And I hate the word spirit, because spirit means drunk.  You know, you drink spirits to get drunk, and that's why they gave us this term in the English language, from the Latin.

Jackie: What would the word be if it wasn't in the English language?

Alan: It's the true essence of what is you.  What you are.  The true essence.  It's beyond the physical.  And these creatures do claim that they were cast out after a rebellion of some kind.  Now, people can call it whatever they want, a cosmic rebellion, dimensional, whatever it is, but the fact is, they believe that they were so perfect in this other form, this ethereal form, non-material you might say, that they willed their own physical bodies into existence.  And there were already natural people living here, that's what they claim, but they themselves willed their bodies into existence, and because they did that, the first generation retained these supernatural powers.  And when they started to interbreed with the people who were natural to the planet, they began to lose these powers, and hence there was a speedy return to interbreeding amongst themselves to try and regain those powers.  And from then on, they've kept their genealogical lines going as far back, well, we don't even have access to them.  It's beyond and before Sumer, before 5000 BC.  But that's the reason for the intense interbreeding that still goes on today, and the priesthood that matches them up for those bloodlines is very, very important.  It still exists.

Jackie: That's why we have all the begats in the Old Testament?  Who begat who.

Alan: Yeah, even though it's all nonsense in the Old Testament.  The Old Testament was a manufactured fallacy.  It's actually a book of a system.  That's what it teaches.  Every Masonic Lodge has that black book of law, that's what it is, in their lodge.  And it's a system with esoteric meanings.  It's not real people.  It's they use the names of people to teach stories, esoteric meanings behind the stories.  That's what it's for.  But it was put together by definitely descendants of these fallen ones, you might say.  In Egypt, and everyone agrees about this, 72 priests wrote the Old Testament around 300, maybe even 200 BC, in Egypt, and they wrote it in the language of the Coptic Greek.  And it was never translated into supposed Hebrew, which is just updated Aramaic, until about the 1st century AD.  So even in the time of Jesus, if he did read anything in the Synagogue, he must have read it in the Greek version, because that's all they had at that time.  So, it wasn't written by Hebrews, it was written by another people altogether, for the people who believed themselves to be Jews.

Jackie: And I'd like to make a connection here.  Where you mentioned that the Old Testament is really a book of laws, that was something that I realized, that the Old Testament is literally a political program that is wrapped in a cloak of religion.  And Moses, the first five books, I guess it depends on who is saying this, you'll read that the first five books of the Old Testament are the Torah, which is the basis of the Talmud, and then some say that it's the entire Old Testament.  But whatever, Moses Mendelssohn, who was evidentially a very respected and revered Wise Man, Jew, made the statement, that Judaism is not a religion, it is a law religionized.

Alan: It's a very pragmatic system.  Really, that's what it is.  It's a system.  In the Old Testament slavery is okay, there's no laws against slavery.

Jackie: And it's God who's demanding all the wars.

Alan: Yeah, it's the godfather.  It's a mafia system, you know.  That's what it's all about.  That's what the whole world is all about.  That's what all empires have always been about.  It's a small elite being gangsters and lording it over the other people, living off the backs of the other people, and hiring the historians to write a nice story about them, you know.  That's what history is all about.  And it's all to do with this thing called money, without which none of this could occur.  None of it.  You could not hire an army without money.  You couldn't keep men together long enough to invade anybody if you didn't have this thing called money.  Money itself is an artificial creation.  And we think it's quite natural because we're born into a system that completely revolves around this thing called money.  And we are actually called economic units, you know.  Every human being is given that title.

Jackie: Actually, we are called human capital, Alan.  Human capital.

Alan: Yeah, that's right.

Jackie: I just want to say this for our listeners.  There is an article there titled, Are Your Children Human Capital?  And it is literally, it has been discovered that that's exactly what we are to them as you just said, Alan.  And then after I found that article, I found the executive order that Bill Clinton had signed, where he created a commission to study capital, all kinds of capital, and in that it was including human capital, and the commission was to report on the depreciation of capital, and of course, my question was, how do you depreciate human capital?

Alan: You make them sick, and you give them diseases.

Jackie: Yeah, you get rid of them.

Alan: Which is happening in Africa on a wide scale.  And it's actually happening more subtly in the Western countries as we discussed last night, with the sperm count plummeting in the males, all by design.

Jackie: And the women having hysterectomies

Alan: Yeah, hysterectomy.  And here's the problem.  People keep thinking or asking, well, when is all this going to happen.  They don't realize, it's been happening before they were born, and it's been happening all through their lifetime.  There's a Population Control Council in the United Nations.  Before that, the League of Nations also had the same council.  And they don't sit on their hands making wish lists of how to control the population of the world.  They actually implement schemes to do so.  And of course, we're told, they just make mistakes with inoculations.  They didn't realize that the polio vaccine would affect the human race the way it has, cause all the tumors and sterility and so on.  It's just a mistake.  And then in Africa, they gave all the free smallpox vaccinations out, and they didn't change the needles, and lo and behold, the trail of AIDS, all through Africa.  And again, it's another big mistake.

Jackie: Are you sure that that AIDS virus or whatever it was, wasn't in the vaccines that they gave to the Africans?

Alan: Oh, I have no doubt it would be in it.  I have no doubt.  They started actually the same program in Haiti, and that's where the AIDS first broke out, and then they went over to Western Africa, and you can follow the trail from the UN free smallpox vaccine.  So, this is going on.  The agenda is underway.  They can't come out and tell you, oh, by the way, we're killing you.  I think they'd have their hands full with upset populations.  So they simply don't tell you; they do it.

Jackie: Well, yes, they do tell us.  And I'm going to mention the toothpaste, again.  On the toothpaste tube, unless you get your toothpaste fluoride free, because fluoride is a killer, but there on the toothpaste tube there is a warning that says, keep out of reach of children under six, and if you swallow more than enough for brushing, seek medical help or call a poison center immediately.  And Alan, that's the thing that just blows me away.  Because I have showed that to so many people, and they just, it doesn't compute, that they're paying for their poison.

Alan: Yeah, but they still believe that they're being taken care of, and they cannot believe that anything would be so widely advertised and promoted that would harm them.  See, they live in two different worlds.

Jackie: Then it's time that people suddenly, somewhere, somehow, snap out of it Alan, and really take a look.

Alan: Well, it's going fast.  I mean, you see how autism has rocketed, skyrocketed up until the present statistics.  And it's all to do with the inoculations they're giving the babies at such a young age.

Jackie: It's the mercury.  It's the mercury in the vaccines.  Thimerosal and fluoride.

Alan: They know this.  It's a program, a population control program.  And Joe Public thinks, well, we've got spontaneous autism now.  It's just a plague of autism and it’s quite natural

Jackie: 1700% increase in autism.

Alan: Yeah, and of course the old autism that used to be here, prior to the 50s, was one in about 10,000 or 25,000 it was, true autism.  And that means that from the time of the baby's birth, it did not react normally to stimulation and so on.  Whereas this type of autism that comes only occurs after the inoculations.  All the doctors know this.

Jackie: There's something I'd like to say here right now, because we haven't said this in a long time, I haven't.  Folks, when you have your children in school, in order for them to be in school there is required vaccines that they have to have at particular grades.  And every single state has opt-out for parents.  All they have to do is sign a form.  And in fact, when I finally got through to Nicole in Missouri, and she did a lot of research, found the law, and was calling the school, that was the first day of school, this past year to let them know that she was not going to vaccinate.  Actually it might have been a year before. But anyway, she said that she was on the way to pick up the form that she had had faxed to her to a Staples from, you know, the Health Department in Missouri, and the school secretary said, well, honey, we've got these forms right here.  You know, Nicole was ready for a real fight, and all she had to do was walk into the office and say I want the opt-out form, and that's what she did.  And I want folks, listen to me, all of you who have children in school, if you vaccinate your child after hearing what we just talked about, then there is something very, very, very wrong.  I don't know what else to say about that, but I wanted that known to any of our possibly new listeners, Alan.  Oh, I have to vaccinate them, that's what Nicole was telling me.  I have to vaccinate her or she can't go to school.  And I talked to Ashley and I said, Ashley honey, don't do it.  Don't let them vaccinate you.  And you just tell them, no. And that's basically what Ashley did.  She said, I'm not going to get it.

Alan: Everything is done under pretense and under color of law, but in fact, it's just a matter of bluff.  And the willing fool, as they say in Masonry, if you're a willing fool, you've swallowed it all, and believed it all, you'll go and take it, you see.  But it's up to the person who thinks to ask the questions and demand the opting out.

Jackie: Thank you.  And Alan, thank you so much for being with us again this evening.  And ladies and gentlemen, we'll see you back on Monday, and thank you.  And God Bless You.  Good Night.

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Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Let me get my record button going here.  Thanks for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  Today is Monday, and it is the first day of August, in the year 2005.  And I hope you had a lovely weekend, folks.  A nice weekend, or peaceful, or fun, pleasant, loving.  I hope you had a nice weekend.  And Alan Watt is with us, this evening.  I was looking for something that I wanted to share with you tonight, and I'm not finding it.  I apologize for this.  Oh, here we are.  This is what I wanted to do tonight.  This is Saint Francis of Assisi's Prayer, for our spiritual message.  "Father, make me an instrument of your peace.  Where there is hatred, let me so love.  Where there is injury, let me so pardon.  Where there is doubt, faith.  Where there is despair let me sow hope.  Where there is darkness, let me sow light.  And where there is sadness, let me sow joy.  Father, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console, to be understood as to understand, to be loved as to love, for it is in giving that we receive.  It is in pardoning that we are pardoned and it is in dying that we are born into eternal life."  And dying, you know, well of course, dying is what we call leaving this physical body.  Death.  And maybe dying is also, it just occurred to me as I was reading this, folks, maybe it also means giving up the old, if you would, the lies.  Maybe it means the rebirth, if you would, right here in this physical world of coming into the truth, coming out of the lies.  I don't know.  It's just a thought I had.  Alan, thanks for being with us tonight.

Alan Watt: Yeah, it's a pleasure.

Jackie: Yeah, cold and all.

Alan: Cold and all.  Yeah.

Jackie: Well, you're sounding a whole lot better.  Alan has been kind of down with a cold, and he was kind enough to come on with us this evening, folks.  Alan, I have a letter here from a listener.  I'm not going to read the entire letter, but I wanted to address this, and probably you'll have some relevant comments to make.  And first, I want to thank our listener, who sent this to me, because I know that it was sent out of kindness, out of the goodness of your heart.  It mentions a book, and the listener said that they heard the week before or two weeks before, and found out about the founding of America, Alan, and the Revolution and all that, and he said that I sounded despondent.  And so, he sent pages of a book, or she, because the individual just said, concerned citizen.  But the book is called Oashpe.  Evidently it's published by the theosophical society.  And it says that America's history is in this book.  25,000 years of history.  And according to this book, America was ordered by the ordained, or ordered by the creator to bring liberty and light to the world.  And that America was to be used to bring the, I'm not sure, it's handwritten, I don't know if it's Cosman or Coman Era in, but according to this book, Oashpe, Thomas Paine is the father of the American Revolution, and that seven of the founding fathers were graded 80 in the angelic realms, and it shows George Washington was under the guardianship of 1000 angels.  And when I read this, it reminded me of me some years back, because I had read a book, I think it was called Climb the Highest Mountain, and I cannot remember the group that put it out.  But there was a section in the book, it was about the White Brotherhood, Alan.  And there was a section in the book about the Constitution, and how they were present, and how the Constitution was divinely inspired and as I told you recently, not too long ago in a conversation, I believed that that was true.  And I believed that there could have been whatever we would call them, higher beings, there guiding our wonderful founders.  And I would like to say, once again, thank you to our listener who sent this, and I want you to know that I did feel that way at one time, but there's enough evidence, there's just too much evidence.  George Washington was an illuminist.  He was a, was he a member of the Grand Orient, do you know, Alan?

Alan: He was a member of the Beenan Orden, which was the Illuminati Order; they use the beehive as their symbol.  And every Illuminati Lodge was styled after the beehive.  In all the Masonic paintings, the official Masonic paintings of Washington, you'll find the symbol of the beehive generally down towards the bottom of the portrait.

Jackie: You've got that photograph in one of your books.  Is that the first book?

Alan: I think so, yeah.

Jackie: It's a photograph of a painting of George Washington, and there it is, the beehive down in the corner.  Thomas Paine?

Alan: Well, Thomas Paine is a pain alright.  You've got to remember, a lot of these guys adopted names of previous famous people, or else they were direct descendants of people, because one of the founders of the Knight Templar, his last name was Payen, which of course, put it into the English and you've got Paine.

Jackie: Payen, what language was that, Payen?

Alan: From the French.  One of the nine knights, as they say, the nine knights who founded the Templars, one of them was Hugh de Payen.  And so, it's no coincidence that you end up with a Payen, or a Paine, who was a world revolutionary, because once he was finished, he came from England after trying to get revolutions going there.

Jackie: Thomas Paine did?

Alan: Yeah, and he went to the U.S., and then he went over to France afterwards too.

Jackie: Probably he went over there with Lafayette.

Alan: Oh, he did.  He was part of the Revolutionary in France, and he eventually got locked up by the guys who were leading the Revolution.  It took a lot of pull from the US to get him free.

Jackie: Why'd they lock him up?

Alan: These were international revolutionaries.

Jackie: Well, why would they lock him up if they were the guys that were behind the revolution?

Alan: Because he thought it was getting out of control with the killing, or the bloodlust.  He thought they would kill off the nobles, but they started to start to chop off the heads of ordinary people once they'd finished with the nobles, and he interjected to try and stop that.  And that wasn't part of the agenda, obviously, and so they locked him up as well.  And I think he also didn't agree with the end of the revolution.  It was supposed to continue into other countries, and cause world revolution.  That's also what he objected to, was basically they made it localized, just in France.

Jackie: So, in other words, then it sounds like the possibility that Thomas Paine actually believed in the revolution, because, you know, Alan, this is the thing that makes them seem so right, is that the feudal system under the monarchies.  The people were enslaved, and of course, what we read is that the revolution is what got rid of the monarchies, and gave the people the democracies and all that.  But is it a possibility that Thomas Paine actually thought it would be a good thing for the people?

Alan: It could very well be so.  It's difficult to tell with a lot of these guys, because in a sense they're all politicians.  They say one thing to the public, but they also do the opposite.  It's difficult to say if he truly believed in this world revolution or he knew there was to be another plan that took over once it was completed.  It's really hard to tell right now.  I also know that the world revolutionaries were being trained from the 1500s onwards.  It’s like John Wilkes Booth, that shot Lincoln, John Wilkes Booth, he was named John Wilkes after a famous revolutionary of England, who kept getting locked up in the Tower of London for trying to cause revolutions in England.  So his father named him after this revolutionary.  So this is in the family type of thing.  These guys were literally being taught and reared from childbirth to be revolutionaries.  And of course it continued.

Jackie: So then they did believe in it.

Alan: And even then though, you see, to the ordinary working Joe who was basically illiterate, it was no different from the Communist, in fact, the Communist Party took over from the World Revolutionary Party.  It was one and the same thing.  And the guys at the bottom were given a different spiel about what the outcome was to be from the guys in the upper management level of the revolution.  It was to be a scientific social revolution, where an upper elite would eventually run the lives of everyone at the bottom.  Of course the working man was told something completely different.  But they need the ordinary people to support them, the mob as they called them, to get them behind them and to fight for them.  And that's what they did in Russia too, for the Soviet Union.

Jackie: Yes, and under those systems, the systems under which the people lived then, you know, you could understand the people wanting to be out from under it.

Alan: Sure, and they really thought they were going to make themselves free.  But just as we saw what happened in the Soviet Union, if we jump back to the French Revolution, we see the emergence of a much, much deeper and long, you know, something that was planned out long before, obviously, because they had population reduction, population control, whole departments set up for this.  They started to kill off people in the rural areas, because they wanted a certain figure in every region as they called it.  And they were sinking people by the boatloads, just because they lived on this part of the land, and they wanted a fixed population, vastly reduced from what it was.  And these were ordinary people they were killing, just peasants.

Jackie: Just to reduce the population.

Alan: That's always been part of this agenda.  And it was the same in the Soviet Union.  The Soviets slaughtered so many millions that no one can actually put a definite figure on it.  It's over 60 million anyway, well over.  And also, it was standard in the Soviet Union.

Jackie: When we say 60 million people, oh, 60 million people were slaughtered, a person has to stop and literally think about that.  You think about, I thought about this.  I thought about, Alan, I'm saying this for our listeners, to really get it folks, what he just said.  For example, New York City, how many people are in New York, about, do you know Alan?

Alan: Oh, I have no idea what it would be now.

Jackie: We'll say 14 million maybe.

Alan: Yeah, in the greater.

Jackie: Yeah, in the greater, we'll say 15 million.  Okay, we're talking 50 million.  And I think about, okay, picture a city, let's say with the population of New York in it, and going into that city and every single individual in that city is dead.  It brings the numbers into some sense of reality, because that's so far out to imagine that they could have killed 50, 60 million people.  That is just almost beyond our ability to conceive of that.

Alan: And yet that was all part of a long-laid strategy, a plan, because Lenin, who obviously was tutored from childbirth for his particular coming role, started the Reign of Terror, exactly what they did in the Revolutionary France, the same technique.  When you have no external enemy, no immediate external enemy, to control the public, you must create a terror within.  And that's what the Soviet Union did.  They started to pick up ordinary citizens, next-door neighbors, anybody would do.  In fact Lenin sent out gangs of henchmen, and he told them, Trotsky talked about this in his book called "My Life" and Lenin ordered these gangs just to go into rural areas, and take a dozen men from each little place, hang them from the trees, and leave them there to rot.  He said that will strike terror into the peasantry and they'll do what they're told.  This is what you're dealing with with these great heroes, you know.  You're dealing with absolutely ruthless sociopaths, and they look upon the ordinary people, the champions of the working man, eh.  These people look upon the ordinary people as the lowest scum that walks the planet.  That's what Communist followers can never get through their heads.  It's a Scientific Socialism, based on Darwinism, which is the right of the fittest to survive and rule those who are less equipped to survive.  That's the whole doctrine, really, of Communism.

Jackie: And they create the situation, or the environment, where those that are, you know, less able to survive, that's why they're less able to survive.

Alan: Yes, indeed.

Jackie: Because of the conditions.  They create those conditions.

Alan: Yes.  It's almost like someone having a cow and breaking the legs of that cow, and then being disgusted that the cow can't get up.  That's what you find with the elite.

Jackie: That's a wonderful analogy.

Alan: They cause the problem, and then they despise the people who are sick or starving and unemployed and all the rest of it.  So that's typical of how they rationalize everything they do.  They always blame the victim rather than blame themselves, and that's psychopathic behavior.

Jackie: Well, you know, getting back to the American Revolution, it would be different if there wasn't so much evidence to point otherwise, the possibility, because it all made sense to us as we were growing up, and oh, this was the war for independence, you know, from Britain, but it's George Washington who was so big a part of that who was, he had Royal Blood, I understand.  He was an illuminist.

Alan: He was trained by the British army.

Jackie: Yeah.  And they knew exactly what America was being founded for, to do exactly what it's doing today.

Alan: And they put up that big obelisk in his honor.  It wasn't a Christian cross.  It wasn't anything to do with Christianity.  It was an Egyptian obelisk they put up there for him.

Jackie: Right, exactly.  And what's his name, Thomas Jefferson.

Alan: And Thomas Jefferson was an admitted illuminist.  In fact, Thomas Jefferson in his own memoirs writes about Thomas Malthus whom he corresponded with.  And Thomas Malthus was the guy who came out with the economic policy for killing off the excess population, due to economic reasons and how to feed them and starve them so they'd be too weak to run off on a plantation, that type of stuff.

Jackie: And you know, there's always these wonderful quotations you can find like the one that George Washington, I think it was his speech when he left office at the end of his presidential term and said, you know, to beware of tangling alliances with other nations and all of that.  They had the American people in debt to Great Britain, right after the Revolutionary War, with the Peace Treaty.  And even in the Constitution, all the debts owed to other nations have to be paid.  And it was the banksters.  And George Washington was the one that signed the first Bank of America in, what was it, a twenty-year thing that they had?

Alan: That's right.  So, sure, I mean it's a serpent as they say, they always use their symbols in everything, and the Bank of America, BOA, is a boa, like a boa constrictor, you know.  Put a Z on the end of it and you've got Boaz, you know, almost.

Jackie: Now, who was Boaz?

Alan: That's the Masonic Towers.  There's always Twin Towers, the male and female, Jachin and Boaz.  Boa, Boaz means also the serpent.  And that's why boa is a boa constrictor.  It's a serpent.  So, the Bank of America has the clue right in it.  These guys don't make any mistakes.

Jackie: No.  Well, let's be careful, because they mean what they're saying, in other words.  But I don't, I don't buy it that they don't ever make mistakes.

Alan: They literally created the language.  The language we use is theirs.  And that's what I mean by attention to detail.  They don't come out with any abbreviations without there being another meaning behind it.  Everything is like that.

Jackie: In other words, that's not a coincidence.

Alan: No, it's not.

Jackie: Right, they know what they're doing.

Alan: And of course then they brought Jacob Schiff over just in time for the American Civil War, and Schiff was doing the same deal.  He was even involved in the ownership of the companies that made the uniforms for both the North and the South all through the Civil War.  One of them you just simply dyed blue, the other one was gray, but they were identical otherwise.  So it's just one scam after another, but the people keep falling for it.  That's the problem.  We never learn, you know.  Think of the money too that was also borrowed for all the wars since the American Revolution.  There's trillions and trillions supposedly in debt, although it's all bogus, and we know it's bogus, but as long as everybody believes in it, it goes on.  And I can remember when the US owed one trillion dollars.  And at that time they said if you put dollars end to end, it would stretch around the moon and back.  And I don't know how many trillions of dollars the US owes now.  So you can't pay this off, ever, and it's not intended to be paid off, obviously.  How can you pay it off when your industry has gone overseas?

Jackie: Well, it couldn't be paid off anyway, because it's debt.  It's loaned into circulation.  It's a debt to begin with.  And then they never print enough of these paper dollars and fives and whatever.  They never print enough to have it in circulation to pay off the interest.

Alan: And also, a debt, if you are a debtor, you see, you are in slavery.  If you are borrowing money, and you owe money, technically, even by the Old Testament rules, which are the Masonic rules, you are a slave.  And everyone now flashes the cards for everything that they want.

Jackie: No, not everyone.

Alan: Well, the vast majority.

Jackie: The vast majority, yes.

Alan: The vast majority do that.  It's a normal way of life now.  In fact, they did studies recently, and they found that, I think, 70% of Americans and Canadians now are using the debtor cards and so on, and they don't handle cash at all.

Jackie: The debit cards, yeah.  I would venture to say that the majority of our listeners on Sweet Liberty are not of that ilk that you were talking about.  Because I get many, many of the donations that come in from money orders or cash.  And because so many of our, I believe a lot of our listeners don't even have checking accounts.  I have one.  You know, to pay.  I pay my public bills with it.  You know, like the gas and electric and phone.  But that's all I do.  Everything else I do, I just do it cash.  And it's just a principle.  It's none of their business where I'm spending my money.

Alan: They also admitted now that they're issuing the same ID cards, it's to be used in the States, they're issuing it now in Britain.  And they've also admitted it's now also to be used for your banking, as well.  So it is to be part of the cashless society.

Jackie: Didn't they bring that out right after that?  Wasn't it recent that they brought it out?

Alan: Yeah, they did.

Jackie: Right after that bombing.

Alan: Right after the fortunate bombings that happened right at the right time, when Blair was about to get tossed out of Parliament for all his lies, these friends, these terrorists, just helped him out there, you know.  It's amazing how they always come to their.  I noticed that with George Bush too, each time that he was plummeting in the polls, Bin Laden just magically would send out another video saying 'We hate America.'  And Bush would come out and make his speech, and be the strong man, and suddenly his polls would go up again.  It's such a pantomime, you know.

Jackie: Well, I'll tell you, Valentine, she's the lady that has, and I haven't mentioned this in a while, so I should.  She did some really awesome stuff, you know, on these videos, these alleged videos by Osama Bin Laden, and she put each of them side by side by side, and every single one of them were different people Alan.  She did an email of that thing, and it was just amazing.

Alan: Yeah, as I say, isn't it amazing that it's always when they need something to happen that something always does?

Jackie: Well, remember Clinton.  Where did he go bomb?  Right around the Lewinsky scandal.

Alan: Yeah, that's right.  I remember that too.

Jackie: Yeah.  Sudan?

Alan: He was dropping the cruise missiles over Iraq, every so often.

Jackie: Well, they were doing that ever since the first Iraq war.

Alan: Oh, yeah.  I know.

Jackie: They were doing bi-weekly bombing runs.  They had that country just absolutely blasted away before even the second Gulf War started, the Iraq War started.

Alan: As I say, the revolution goes on, and what we're living through now, is simply the next phase of the revolution, which is into the society, which they've written well about, in detail, in many publications, that's to be run by the experts and there will be no private rights of any kind for the ordinary people.  And they want a very controlled population, right down to the exact number that they actually need for any particular job.  Eventually, in the future they said that no one would be allowed to have a child unless they have a function for that child.  So this is the next part of the same ancient revolution that's just ongoing, which they call scientific Socialism.  It's run by Fascists at the top, of course, but it's a Socialistic, Communistic Bureaucracy System that's used to control all of the people.

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Jackie: I received a letter from a new listener, Alan.  And this is the gentleman that had called you.  He had sent a donation.  He said he had been a listener for approximately two months, and he said, "I find your program quite an eye-opening, myth-busting experience."  "I admire your courage to put this kind of repressed information out before the whole world.  Count me as a person that your show is in the process of 'waking up'.”  He said, "I've sent for Alan's Book I.  Last evening I spoke to him, via phone, to elaborate on some points I've heard him make on your show.  He's a fascinating as well as enlightening person.  Thank you for having such a guest, as well as the access.”  And that's from Bill in New York.  And Bill, thank you.  I appreciated that.  It's nice.  I always enjoy hearing from our listeners.  And it's nice to know that we have new listeners coming in, that are waking up, Alan.  Because there could be no other reason for doing this broadcast if it wasn't just to.  And sometimes it does seem like a downer.  I would like to do a broadcast one time, that's uplifting.  You know what I mean?  But it isn't the truth.  Well, it isn't very.  It is uplifting to know the truth, but the truth can hurt.  And I do know that.  And I think there's enough research and resourced information there that you will understand why I no longer buy into the America, the land of the free and the home of the brave that never was, from the beginning.  It just never was.  And I'm going to let Alan give you the information now on how you can get his books.  Alan, go ahead, please.

Alan: Yes.  There are three of them.  They're called Cutting Through, One, Two, and Three.  [See ordering information on transcript.]  And I'll send them out just as soon as I can.  And they go through a lot of the history of Freemasonry, pre-Freemasonry, and I go back thousands of years to show you how the money system was taking over countries, 2,000-3,000 BC, and how the armies were formed once they had the money system in circulation, and then they used one army to simply go and force the same system on the neighboring country, or the neighboring tribe, and this has gone on right up to the present time.

Jackie: Yeah, that's what’s so mind blowing, to realize that it just goes back and back and back.  And it's the same thing as like when you were telling about Sumer.  At least 6,000 years ago.  And the guy who wrote the book, what was it called, Alan?  On Sumer.  What was the name of the book?

Alan: The book on Sumer was Life Begins at Sumer, and they have a blurb there.  It was written on slate by, they think it might have been a student, because they had a tremendous school system, 5,000 BC for the bureaucrats, these guys who become the priests, specialized priests in different areas, even real estate ones, and other ones went into law, and this guy said, I looked from the east to the west horizons and I see nothing but government buildings.  And they taxed the people for everything, he said, when they'd bring in the fish, they were taxed for catching the fish.  They were taxed when they sell the fish.  He said, and even when the relatives come to the grave sites to put offerings on the graves, they come and they take the death duties, the death taxes.  They take the food from the graves.  And this was all government officials, 5000BC.

Jackie: And you're saying that this book was initially written back then?

Alan: Oh, no.  I mean the translations.

Jackie: You said it was written on slate.  Oh, he found all the information on slate.

Alan: They've dug up so much writing from Sumer, it's just amazing.

Jackie: And they've been able to interpret the language or to, what do you call it?

Alan: Oh, yeah.  They have it down to a fine art, and it's nothing like the one that Zechariah Sitchin invented.  They've dug up the remains of old schools where children at five years old and six years old who had been taught geometry and so on and trigonometry.  This is common.  So, man is far, far older than they'd have us believe, and they had advanced systems thousands of years ago.  I'm sure Sumer simply was a sort of revamped system, a new system of a new age of its day, but there's no doubt that the knowledge came from a much earlier civilization.  And they do talk about it in the tablets of Sumer, that at one time there were advanced civilizations and tremendous earthquakes hit the whole planet, and some of the continents sunk beneath the waves and took the cities with them, and new continents arouse out of the sea.  So, man is far, far, far older than they'd have us believe.  Of course, they don't want us to understand or even know that, because science has always been so far advanced from what the public will ever, ever know about.  The gimmick is to make the people believe through the publications that they give us that they're just working on this, and they're looking forward to improving that one day, or inventing something.  This stuff has all been done long ago.  That's why it's called re-search.

Jackie: yeah, like hydrogen cars.

Alan: Yeah.  Research.

Jackie: I read an article from California, some guy that had a hydrogen car, to use, I think it was from, oh, what the heck, oh, I can't remember.  Demler, Dambler.  He said it cost a million dollars to build that car.  He was able to use it, so that he could experience it and then write about it.  It was in, maybe The Chronicle, one of the California papers.  But, Alan, what hogwash.  They say, oh, that technology is about ten years down the road.

Alan: I know.  No, you see, it was never intended that the American public drive forever.  They only gave you that transportation during the industrial era.  China is now having their industrial era, so they're putting down roads, they're giving them cheap cars and cheap gasoline.

Jackie: And do you know that the automobiles that are being manufactured and sent to China have none of the emission controls on them?

Alan: No, they don't need them, and they're pretty well hogwash anyway.

Jackie: Yeah, right.  They're trading off the air.  They're trading off the air pollution.

Alan: That's right.  You pay a fee for it.  It was never intended.  Once America had finished its job, which it hasn't quite done yet.  It's got to force the last of the remaining Moslem countries into the same system of democracy as they call it, with a central banking system, their debt system, and their paid politicians for front people.  That's the last job that the US has to do.  And as it's doing it and finishing it off, they're dismantling America back home.  That's what they're doing.

Jackie: Yeah, do you want to hear something?  This came right from the US EPA, Environmental Protection Agency's website, that there is a partnership between the US and Israel to monitor the quality of drinking water, Alan.

Alan: Well, actually, in 1967 the UN had its first water meeting in Israel.  And it was in the newspapers at the time, and they said that water would be one of the prime moneys of the future.  It would be actually used like money.  And that Israel was heavily involved in the planning for the future shortages of water.  So, I'm not surprised, you know.  That was in the newspapers at that time.

Jackie: Yeah, well, US and Israel partnership.

Alan: They have partnerships across the world though, with just about everybody else, with one deal or another.  And it's not a country either, you see.  We keep falling into this trap of believing there's a country there or a country even here.  There's always a handful of people that run every country, including Israel, you know.

Jackie: I suppose.  I don't know if Israel is a corporation or not.  But the US is actually, literally incorporated.

Alan: Yes.

Jackie: And do you think Canada is, is Canada a corporation?

Alan: All British Commonwealth countries are.  That was where it first came from, was England.

Jackie: And, you know, comment on this.  You know, George W Bush the President appointed Wolfowitz to be the head of the World Bank.  How is it that the US President is in that position to appoint head of the World Bank?

Alan: Well, he's told what to do.

Jackie: That's not the point.

Alan: It's just to fool the public.

Jackie: What, like the World Bank is under the authority of the US?

Alan: That's what I'm saying.  It's to fool the public.  The public must believe their government is real.

Jackie: Well, you know, it occurred to me, and it just occurred to me today, that maybe the World Bankers, the International Bankers own the US corporation now.  Maybe they own the corporation now.  Maybe they own the corporation, Alan.

Alan: I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Jackie: Because, otherwise, how could you, okay.  I mean it's just there has to be an explanation how the US President appoints the head of the World Bank.

Alan: Well of course it's nonsense.  The President is only a front man.  The Prime Minister of Britain is only a front man.  And that's well understood in Britain.

Jackie: Well, I know that.  I know they're front men.  I know they're puppets.  The point is, there has to be some legality here.  You know, they got this twisted, you know, legal system.  The Treasurer, the Secretary of the Treasury is the Governor of the International Monetary Fund, Alan.  And I've got the newspaper article that says it.  I mean, I know newspapers lie too, but sometimes they print the truth.

Alan: They have to fool the public to make them believe their government is real and powerful.

Jackie: But what does that tell us about the US government inc?  If we aren't a closely held corporation by the international bankers.  It, I should say, not we, but we are the, what do you call it, the assets.

Alan: That's right.  We are.  We're supposed to keep paying off the debt, and your children's children and so on, for evermore, you know.  So that is true.  We are all collateral for the debt.

Jackie: Collateral, yes.

Alan: And that's no different from the feudal system.  That's what you were.  You served the lord.  You had no rights whatsoever, because you were born into slavery as a slave.  Only they called it serf.  They changed the English language a little bit, and called them serfs, because slavery was a bit too upfront, you know.  So they hid it behind the term serf, but yeah, you own nothing.  You gave 60% of all your produce to the lord.  And what was left had to feed you, your animals and your helpers, you know.  And when you work out the income taxes today and the hidden taxes, the average person is paying about the same amount of money in taxes.  So serfdom or feudalism is still here.

Jackie: Oh, I bet lots more today.

Alan: It's actually more in Britain, actually, and Canada.  So this con game has gone on forever.  And it was Charles Galton Darwin that said in his book, The Next Million Years, and that's quite a boast for the illuminati, he said himself that there has always existed a form of slavery, and we are simply creating a more sophisticated form of slavery, where the slave will never realize that he is actually a slave.

Jackie: The perfect slave believes he's free.

Alan: That's right.  So they give you brass bands, and you wave flags and stuff, and you know, you get parades.  And you're allowed to buy your auto to get to work to pay for that clapboard house that you put up there and pay the taxes on it.  So we're just a more efficient form of slave, where we don't really need to be guarded all the time.  We even buy our own clothes out of what's left over.  And our work boots, you know.  So, yeah, it is a more sophisticated form of slavery.

Jackie: And you have to have a license to do everything.

Alan: Well, everything is a privilege, you see, in a democracy.

Jackie: Well, and the definition of a license, their own definition, is, it gives you the right to do something that would otherwise be illegal.

Alan: Yeah, that's why it's a lie on your senses.  It's lie-sense.

Jackie: Lie-sense.  Yeah.  It's a lie on your senses.  Wow, yes.

Alan: Because, yeah, sure.  That's exactly what it is.  You pay a fee, you pay money, then you can do it.

Jackie: So, it would be illegal to fish, see.  I mean, basically that's what they're saying.  You have to get a license to fish.  And so they're giving you permission with this license to do something that other, so, they just make every, they make living illegal.

Alan: Oh sure they do.  In fact, it's no different from the Soviet Union, where you cannot do something during the course of your day, if they want to they can get you because you'll break one law or another just walking up the road, you know.  And that's what it's come down to.  Most of the laws are on the books in case they ever want to pull you in.  Anybody, that is, in.  That's why they don't take laws off the books.  No, we're living in a prison.  It's just that you don't see the bars until you try to walk out of that prison without permission.  Then people appear out of nowhere that you never saw before with strange badges in plainclothes and you find out, my God, there's another world out there that I knew nothing about.

Jackie: That's right. Goethe, was that, that there's none more hopelessly enslaved then he who believes he's free.

Alan: Yes.  But sure, I mean, how can you be free, when you're born as an asset, basically, to pay off a debt?

Jackie: And you have to get a certificate of your birth.

Alan: Even Thomas Jefferson, who was a member of the Illuminati, and this is the amazing thing.  The Illuminati spoke openly, because they knew the public would take it one way, where they could take it themselves another way, the same statement.  But he did say that a generation born into paying off a debt incurred by a previous generation, are therefore born into slavery.  And he said that it's possible, you know, in a different system, he said, for every generation to write off the debt of a previous generation.  And he talked about that.  So, they knew all this stuff.  They knew it all, at that particular time.  They were well aware of it all.

Jackie: And just because he said it, and he's quoted it, people think that he said it as a warning.

Alan: They always give you a legal warning.  And it's like Benjamin Franklin, saying, what have we got?  Well, a republic, if you can keep it.  That's the same tongue in cheek.  It's man speaks with a forked tongue, you know.  He's giving two different statements, depending on whose point of view you take it from, the Illuminati’s or the man in the street.  In other words, Franklin knew darn well from the beginning that you'd never keep it.  It wasn't intended that you would keep it.  Because you never really had it.

Jackie: Right, exactly.  Thomas Jefferson made a statement about revolution, that something about every twenty years, that maybe there needs to be a revolution.

Alan: That's to clear out the ones at the top, because they become lazy, corrupt, and they start immediately to try and get their offspring into the same positions.  And Jefferson admitted that, that as soon as they had the older guys beginning to retire from government, they were already getting their offspring in.  Benjamin Franklin tried to get his son, his son was called Temple, by the way.  He tried to get him into a government position, but he was unsuccessful.  Other members did get their offspring into position.  So you end up with these hereditary oligarchies, basically.  And it's no different today.  I mean, you get Bush #1, Bush 2, Bush 3, you know, it goes on and on and on.  And they're all intermarried, so it doesn't matter what name they use.  If you go back in their histories, you'll find they're all cousins.  So, yeah, you're voting in an oligarchy.

Jackie: Well, yes.  Just a reminder, that evidently Bush and Kerry were third cousins.

Alan: That's right.

Jackie: Both members of Skull and Bones.

Alan: And the royalty of Europe.

Jackie: And the royalty of Europe, yes.

Alan: And that was published by Burke's Peerage, which is the Queen's official genealogist.  So, it's true.  These guys are all related to royalty and I really don't understand why people keep falling for it and voting for people who promise them things, but never, never live up to it.

Jackie: Well, basically it comes down to this, it doesn't matter who you vote for today.  I mean, it never did anyway, because they always gave us our choices to let us think we had a choice. And I found that out fairly early on.  But today, with the way they can skew the votes, it doesn't matter who you vote for.  Even if there was somebody decent running, whoever they want in office is going to get in office.  Period.

Alan: It's arranged before the fact, you know, for the public.

Jackie: Well, yeah.  I mean, Bush didn't win the first one.  He didn't win the second one.  Not that I would want Gore.  I mean, that's not the point.  But evidently they felt that GW would be able to suck in more people, and I think they were right.  I can't tell you how many people that I've heard make statements such as, thank God we have a Christian, a president who's a Christian.  And many, many people really believe it, that God told him to go to war to Iraq.

Alan: Yes.  Well, I have no time for people who follow, anyway.  In fact, that's one of the Illuminati's most powerful assets, is the fact that people are so willing to be organized into camps to follow, and all you have to do is put your guy in at the top of the camp.  So, rather than persuade a few million people, you've got one guy in charge of them all, and he does all the talking, you know.  That's the secret about creating groups.  And you've always got followers, which are easy to take over, by putting in your own man.  That's what they've done for thousand of years.  The same nonsense, you know.  So, it's the 87% of the population, who are followers, and unfortunately, they're always with us, as followers.  And that's the way it is.  They've done studies on this at universities for the last hundred years.  And they find it consistent that 87% of the public in any country don't care who's in charge, as long as they can carry on with their lifestyle as it is at the moment.

Jackie: Well, then, as their lifestyle continues to change, they still want their lifestyle as it is.  No matter how terrible it's become.

Alan: They adapt so quickly, and that's why they used the term that man was made out of malleable clay, as early as Egypt.  Made on the potter's wheel.  And, of course, that was copied into the Old Testament.  What they meant by that was, man was the most adaptable creature on the planet.  He adapts so quickly to every circumstance that's thrust upon him.  And as Zbigniew Brzezinski said, when he was asked what he thought of the ordinary people, wouldn't they rebel if the US ever, you know, clamped down and took their rights away, Brzezinski said, he said, what do I think of the people?  He said, well, put it this way, you can beat them, you can starve them to death, and do they rebel?  He says, no, they just turn round and eat their dead.  So that's what we're dealing with here.  These people understand the human nature.  They know that people will put up with tremendous hardships, horrible hardships, before they'll do anything about it.  And often, when they do something about it, their backs are against the wall, they're unorganized, and it's too late for them.  And they know this too.  That's why they give us false leaders to follow, on every side of every thing.  So, they understand this, perfectly well.

Jackie: Yes, they do.  We're out of our hour.  And I thank you very much for being with us here tonight, Alan.

Alan: It's a pleasure.

Jackie: Yes.  And ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back with you, tomorrow night.  I still don't have my printer working, and there are, there are a few things that I have been wanting to share with you, but I can't get them printed out.  And Alan is very gracious, always, to come on with us, and add so much.  Well, just basically without, I don't know what I'd be doing right now, Alan.  Thanks a lot.  Alright, folks.  We'll see you tomorrow night.

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Alan Solo

 

 

Good evening ladies and gentlemen. This is Alan Watt standing in for Jackie’s who’s suffering from some battle fatigue right now and I hope to take you through an hour of various types of information.

Today is the 2^nd of August, 2005 and as most of you probably know by now, I live up here in Canada, further north from Toronto, and our temperatures hit 110 degrees today and it stayed in the 90s right until about 8:00 p.m. While this was happening of course they were spraying the skies with their beautiful new trails, which they’ve been laying for some years now and perhaps those who watch more consistently will notice the different types which they’ve been creating in the last year or so, which are different from the first chemtrails that we used to see.

They’re becoming rather artistic with it and today along with all the usual little fluff balls with the curly tails they’re creating, there was actually a three-legged swastika, like a nebula and of course the three-legged swastika is the symbol for the Isle of Man, where a lot of the wealthy rich of Britain do their banking, so I thought that was quite a coincidence to watch this being made above your head.

Another thing too that people are noticing – people who wear glasses or sunglasses are having to clean them much more often than they used to because of an oily film keeps developing on the glass, and this is from the polymer, which gives you that hazy look in the sky when they're spraying, it's from the polymer coming down to ground level. They’re really laying it on now with advanced science and as we’re all well aware, there’s no one in the regular media going to go anywhere near this subject. They won’t touch it with a barge poll, so they’ve all got their standing orders they’re out the door and probably so is there pension too if anyone tries to inform the media.

The media being what it is, mind you, hand-picked in the first place, individually it’s no hard job to get them to comply because they're a bunch of prostitutes as far as I’m concerned. They’ve been selling the people down the river for many, many years and they’re all for of course this whole New World Order, and amongst the journalistic class you’ll find they believe themselves they’re part of the elite because they are really the fourth estate. They’re an essential part of government and always have been and they give the public the view they’re supposed to believe in on all topics.

They give us our diversions – our topics of conversation. They dish it out to us everyday, right down to trivialities which don’t affect anybody, but they will not touch any of the main subjects like the Bilderberger meetings or the main CFR meetings, which is coupled with the Royal Institute of International Affairs which was set up back in the late 1800's in Britain to bring in a world government based on the English style of democracy which is under royalty. We must never forget that, that the top of Britain, being a model for the world for this particular system, you still have the monarchy and the aristocracy and all of the relatives of the monarchy basically – we called it "the establishment" in Britain. They run the show and they tell Parliament what to do and any politician who’s really clawing to get up there – and that’s basically a criterion to be a politician, you want to climb up there, they do what they’re told by the establishment and put the bills through that they’re told to put through.

Really, we live in a world which is almost like the movie the "MATRIX," where although the Matrix took place in a sort of Internet system – an Internet reality, this is the reality here. We’re living through it and we can’t unplug our heads from the actual Internet once we feel tired. We’ve got to play this game everyday and those who are aware of what’s been going on and following what’s going on, I’m sure everyone’s feeling a form of fatigue simply by understanding the horror show which we’re living in today. Those who have done the research themselves and the studying, I’m sure, can’t help but come to that conclusion that we are living in a nightmare because those behind all of this wrote about their whole plan centuries ago. In the 18^th century and into the 19^th century there’s quite a few of the mouthpieces that put out books detailing the agenda and even time tables.

Lenin talked about it coming in at the end of the millennium and into the new, that’s when the big changes would take place in the West, and he said that in about 1915. This is an old, old time we’re living through.

Charles Galton Darwin who spoke on behalf of the elite in his book "The Next Million Years" talked about the necessity in a post-industrial Western society of depopulating all of the ‘useless eaters,’ you might say, to borrow a phrase from Bertrand Russell. They believed that everyone exists for their economic system. That’s what our function is and of course today we are living not only in a post-industrial era – the industries have been moved off to China, we're post-technological as well and even all the computer industries basically are farmed out to the Far East as well.

We really only have one function left and apart from consuming all the goods that are brought in from the Far East, we are supposed to be the world’s policemen and force the rest of the world—the Muslim countries—into the same system that we live under.

We are economic units in a very sophisticated system, which did not evolve by itself. It was planned this way. Every part was planned in minute detail.

The public’s response to every part of the plan has been worked out like a battle plan in advance and psychologists and sociologists helped put all this together to give us our news and how we should cope with our news and what we should think about our news; it's all done for us. Whereas we ourselves have to sit back and be downloaded and then just parrot what we’re told. That’s how simple this Skinnerian system really is.

It’s not difficult when you realize that thousands of think tanks are employed full-time to plan your thoughts for the future and what you’re going to experience in the future and in fact down to how you’ll react to those experiences in the future, so we are in the Matrix as I say and we can’t get unplugged so easily.

 

One of the problems we have at the moment of course is the barrage of even shortwave news, which goes on incessantly about the minute details and you get a blow by blow account of what they are doing to us – the big THEY, you see, and what countries are doing the saber rattling towards America such as China and so on. That’s all nonsense because the boys who own the West also own lock, stock and barrel China and no one in China acts on his own.

They take orders from the same elite, the global elite who set them up in business and financed them; apart from us of course, because we did finance the moving of industry under the GATT Treaty, we paid for factories to move from Canada, the States and Europe to China and we paid for the transportation of all tooling and machinery. We also signed treaties that we would pay all losses that those firms would incur during the first five years of operation.

Canada gave them two or three Can Do nuclear reactors and they gave them the reactors. At the time John Chrétien was the prime minister and he came back from China with his big jumbo jet full of businessmen, not ordinary businessmen obviously but corporate leaders, which the taxpayers funded once again. He said, oh, we’ll have jobs, jobs, jobs; but what he didn’t say was the jobs are all in China. He said, we’ve got a good deal with selling these nuclear reactors to China; and they mentioned the figures in the billions but then about four months later in the Toronto Sun, half way through the paper in between sports and sex and everything else, there was one paragraph that said, "an update on the Can Do Reactors to China," and that was China would not have to begin payment back to Canada for 25 years; and if they still felt they couldn’t make the payments, it would be postponed for another 25 years.

Now Canada doesn’t have billions to throw around and what they didn’t say was Mr. Chrétien borrowed from the World Bank the money to loan to China. The taxpayers of Canada were the guarantors for that loan, so we pay off the whole loan and that’s how these scams all work you see.

They don’t even bother as the Communists supposedly did, they didn’t even bother to steal your money quietly; they had to lie about it too, and of course we have great liars in the West as politicians. No matter how much respect they’ve been trying to gain for themselves through propaganda and the media building them up to be a holier than thou and astute upright men.

It’s amazing how our forefathers understood that politicians were basically liars. That’s what they do. They’re very good liars and many of them are lawyers as well and I’m sure it’s no coincidence that LIAR and LAWYER sound very much alike you know. These guys have sold us all out for their own personal ends and gain and they also get superior medical treatment.

I think it was four or five years ago – maybe six years ago an odd thing happened in the Western countries where the politicians murmured about a deal being made that they and their relatives would be TREATED FOR LIFE at very top military establishments. That was another perk that got added to it all and of course I wondered why in this great democracy, where we’re all supposedly treated equally, that the general population has to wait in sort of factory queues to get in to see a doctor; because that’s what we have in Canada basically. You might have to schedule an appointment two months in advance and by that time you’re either dead or cured, one of the two.

We live in a fantasy land where our thoughts are dished out to us by experts. Our topics of conversation are doled out to us and they understand human nature. They’ve always understood human nature.

MAN HAS BEEN THE MOST PERFECTLY STUDIED CREATURE ON THIS PLANET and the creatures who do the studying of course have been here for thousands of years too; and since knowledge is power, knowledge is never lost. It’s put into places called ARCHIVES.

For the public you get public libraries and of course that’s all AUTHORIZED public libraries. Every book in there is authorized for your consumption, but YOU WILL NEVER SEE or get access to the REAL ARCHIVES where the REAL INFORMATION is kept.

When I was at school in Scotland, I can remember getting this vague history of Scotland and how it tried to stop the Normans from coming in and it was successful to a great extent, except the nobles began to intermarry with them and they took over the lordships through marriage. Scotland fought the Romans before that - could not defeat.

The Normans couldn’t come in either with an army because they were being defeated as well, so they simply used money, bribery and inter-marriage to take over Scotland. However, trying to get the history of Scotland from our schools was a difficult task. What I found out later was that since Scotland was a colony of England then technically they didn’t want any bad news being given to the Scots, like what happened in Scotland in the 1800’s when they cleared the highlands in the 1700’s and 1800’s. They put off millions of people into rickety old boats to go to the new world or Australia or wherever they were sending them and they were being forced off at the point of the gun. Many of the boats sank just off the coast and the relatives on the shoreline could watch their relatives dying and drowning.

ALL OF HISTORY WAS WIPED OUT OF THE HISTORY BOOKS BY A DECREE FROM LONDON so that the Scots would never be upset about London and the way its run its country. This is the type of whitewashing we’ve had throughout history and it goes along with the plans and the format set out by John Dewey, who said himself that all conflicts, past conflicts between nations, when it comes to the defeated nations, they would basically be wiped off the records so no one will know.

However, I was very lucky in that I had an adult reference library and reference books went back to 1500’s and they had documentation from even the newspapers in the 1600’s and 1700’s, and so I found out I was being taught nothing but lies in school as far as history went. There I am, at night, going to the libraries and studying up on what really happened and what really happened was a horror show.

People visit Scotland today and they look around the highlands and see it’s so beautiful, this empty barren countryside and hills and mountains and so on, and what they fail to realize is if the highlanders hadn’t been kicked off their land, it wouldn’t be so bare and barren as it is today. That was the technique used by London, which really was an ancient Middle Eastern technique that had been used in ages past, where they in the times of Nero and Caesar and so on they moved people around the world at will. Anyone who caused them trouble they simply moved them off their land and put them into another country. That was standard operating procedure and this was going on right up to the present time.

We find the U.S. went into Somalia. The next thing we know, there are documentaries on the CBC television in Canada and they’re showing you these high rises built to house the Somalians who left Somalia and the Canadian government (our taxpayers) flew them all in and supported them. This idea of kicking people off their land is not new.

In present day Iraq, the U.S. is still attacking various towns. They have a rotation schedule where they go in and bomb it and strafe it and cause terror, and a lot of people are moving away. That’s the point of it all. They want them to move.

When we look at this technique of getting people to move who are obstinate and no one likes leaving the country they’ve been born into, we have to look at the U.N. agenda. Anyone – everyone can move from the rural areas in every country and move into these habitat areas as they call them – human habitat areas.

These artificial compounds you might call them too, where you see in their own website – I haven’t checked it but I’ve had good documentation sent to me on the subject, and THEY SAID THERE’LL BE NO PRIVATE PROPERTY.

There will be NO OWNERSHIP OF VEHICLES either, automobiles. Public transportation only and of course your life from BIRTH TO DEATH will be watched and observed and regulated by EXPERTS, you see, NGO experts, and they have experts for everything and that goes right back to the format of Bertrand Russell.

Lord Bertrand Russell who experimented with school children back in the early 1900’s long before Skinner and he brought in the FREE LOVE thing too. That was another mandate which they knew they’d have to use. Bertrand Russell pushed this FREE LOVE AND NO MARRIAGE, just go from one partner to the next, and he was encouraging the children in these special controlled schools that he’d set up to do this very thing. Then they studied the psychological effects on the children who went through all of this and they followed their lives right through their entire lives.

They tried to implement the same program in the 1920’s, "the roaring 20’s," by making booze cans naughty but nice, you see. Taboo but nice. The very thing that teenagers flock to. THEY brought in the mini skirt at that time.

THEY brought in booze and sex, just do it, and these sort of dance songs to go with it; but because of all the pregnancies that occurred from it, they had to start building like crazy Boy’s Towns and Girl’s Towns all over the place to accommodate the offspring. They didn’t have all the abortion clinics to take care of the fallout you see. They didn’t have the medical facilities to take care of all the venereal disease, which also skyrocketed in the 1920's, and so they went back to their desks again and drew up the plans and then THEY worked hard to get the PILL.

That was a prime priority and they thought well better than just booze we’ll bring out drugs – hallucinogenic drugs like LSD, which if you just speak LSD, you've got LUCID, and lucid is clear and is ANOTHER NAME FOR LUCIFER, which is just a little joke that they throw in there; but they brought out the drugs in the ‘60’s with the rock and roll.

They called it a revolution in music, a revolution in sex and they had the abortion clinics ready, the private ones that you could pay for, and they also had the street medical facilities where you could walk in and get shots for any venereal disease that you might have picked up.

 

These guys don’t give up. They never alter their agenda, by the way. They simply take it back to the drawing board and try to iron out any problems that they have. When we realize how old this agenda is and that it happened long before–it was on the go long before you were born, long before FDR. You go back into the days of Sumer. The RABBIS themselves talk about THE AGENDA beginning around 4,500 BC.

AN AGENDA WHICH WAS TO TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE PLANET UNDER ONE GOVERNMENT, ONE RULE WITH AN ELITE TO RULE IT and every facet of humanity to be run by experts. They don’t like this untidy method of people being individualistic and deciding what they want to work at or what they want to do for themselves and going off and maybe building a place here or there. It’s just too untidy for them you see.

We’re dealing with CONTROL FREAKS and these control freaks just don’t let up. They can’t let up. That’s their nature. They want it to be under their control and they’ll decide where you live, how we live and what we say and everything else and what we do. This again was all experimented with within the Soviet Union where they did have school-to-work.

You were tested at the age of five and six for any special qualities or any areas of study and then they said okay you’re going to be an engineer and you’re going to be a laborer and you’re going to be a plumber, and you were only taught what you had to be taught to make you a plumber or an engineer. You didn’t get any extra curriculum or any extra history or geography or science. It was irrelevant to the controllers.

All you had to know was how to do your job when you left school and that is the same idea that’s coming here. It’s too untidy you see to have people being taught all these different things and then deciding what they want to do. Why not save the bucks, train them in one area only and you have a dumb stupid population who don’t know very much except how to fix taps, perhaps, or make a technical drawing on something. That society is a very easily managed society because they’re kept in ignorance of all the other generalities and studies.

Therefore, from a controlled pre-point of view that would be perfection you see and we know where it’s going from there. We know that Arthur Koestler or "Kaus-ler" depending on how you pronounce it, which is K-O-E-S-T-L-E-R, he worked for Stalin as an officer and he helped starve the people in the Ukraine. He talks about it in a book which he wrote called, "The Ghost in the Machine," and "The Ghost in the Machine" by the way is the illusive part that psychiatrists that can’t pin down. It’s you. It’s the essence which is you. The real you.

It’s illusive to these characters and so Arthur Koestler came from his communist country as a communist officer and he went over and taught in universities in the United States in New York. He was attached to the United Nations and he worked in think tanks – global think tanks where different groups of scientists had their specialty all working from their own area of expertise on the same subject. The subject was: how do we remove that part of the brain in individuals that gives them their personal identity?  It lets them know that you are you, distinct from other people. His expertise was in the psychological approach coupled with drugs and he also worked with surgeons who were doing various kinds of lobotomies and so on, when they were pretending that was a cure for depression.

 

They had lots of people to experiment on and many people came back to the U.S. from abroad in the military in World War II and they were having pre-frontal lobotomies – actual post-orbital. It’s behind the eye and this was supposed to be a treatment for the battle fatigue and the shock they’d gone through. Meanwhile of course they all got studied for the rest of their lives to see how it affected their personality.  Koestler had all this information and he was trying to find new ways for the near future in how to do the same thing.

HOW DO WE DESTROY THAT PART OF THE PERSON THAT MAKES THEM AN INDIVIDUAL? because individuals you see are very problematic. They take whims and fancies. They go through fads. They’re just not controllable you see. People who are sovereign individuals want to do their own thing and the elite just can’t have that. It’s just too messy and too untidy for their system.

Koestler worked with other surgeons, with chemists and so on, and they found ways that they could target a specific area of the brain and knock it out, basically. You might call it a chemical castration of the brain. They didn’t want to destroy your higher abilities of mathematics and passing on information and so on. What they wanted to do was to stop the individual analyzing abilities on particular topics. In other words, you could repeat stuff but you couldn’t think of it yourself.

Now the break's coming up, so I’ll be back shortly in just about three minutes and I’ll see you on the other side.

My name is Alan Watt and I have three books for sale. I go through a lot of the history of the last few thousand years in this agenda. I go through freemasonry and I don’t begin with the usual nonsense that it all started with the guilds – the tradesmen guilds in the Middle Ages. No, that was only a small part of it. It’s been here for thousands of years and secret societies are well documented in Ancient Rome.  If you want one or all the books, [see www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for ordering information].

You can contact me if you have something to talk about; I don't like "preachers" because I don't need to be "saved." I always say that Jesus saves but I’m not sure what bank he uses; and since people today have no idea what it really means, although they’ve been told by the World Council of Churches that they think they know what it means, they’re just whistling in the dark and so are most of their followers.

Religion is one of the prime means of mind control. Yes, it gives comfort because it designed it to do so, but it doesn’t give you answers to anything and it also tells you to obey government. That obviously was tacked in there by the priests who took over in Rome.

It’s so odd that they’re following a man who was killed for his viewpoints and for speaking out freely against the corruption of his age and spoke out against the priesthoods who ran the religion – he spoke out against the bankers who were in cahoots with the priests, as they always are, and they killed him for it, you see. In the New Testament somewhere in Paul somebody added, "obey government because it’s put there by God."

Well, if you believe that, then don’t decry Adolf Hitler because he was elected into government. Don’t decry Bonaparte Napoleon when he took over. Don’t decry Lenin. In other words, every tyrant that was put in under your own philosophy was put there by God, so that’s your problem and you’ll have to deal with that yourselves, especially when you’re following someone who definitely spoke out against it. That’s your doublethink of today.

Now getting back to Arthur Koestler working the think tanks for the United Nations, he did say that they were successful by different means, by chemicals and I’ve no doubt they used sodium fluoride, which is in the tap water in the cities. It’s in the toothpaste. It was used in the Soviet Union and it was also used by Natzi Germany because they knew the affects of it. It slowed down the brain. It slowed your intellect, but Koestler also talked about more efficient biochemical means where they could actually attach organisms if they want to, like viruses or bacterium, to specific hormones which go straight to your brain and attack that vital area.

Once again, this part of the brain they want to knock out is you. It’s who you are. It’s what gives your ability to perceive yourself as a distinct independent individual, distinct from others, but that’s a nuisance you see to the controlling elite. They have to use massive media and propaganda to keep each individual happy today.

They've got all these services out there and they put sports on for people to keep them occupied or movies with sex or violence and all this kind of stuff, but the fact is: if they could possibly destroy that part of the brain, they wouldn’t need all of this anymore. Maybe that’s the right way to go because we wouldn’t need the media anymore either.

I wonder if they’ve thought of that, what happens to them when they’re no longer required? What happens to all the sports commentators too, and all the networks when they’re no longer required?  Because under that last meeting that was held – World Meeting of Scientists, sponsored and paid for by the U.S. Department of Commerce and headed off or kicked off by Newt Gingrich, which didn’t appear in the newspapers, these characters, these scientists have a chip ready to implant in the brain. Lo and behold, the main scientist from Japan said, IT WILL BE THE END OF INDIVIDUALITY AS WE KNOW IT.

It will be more like the beehive in fact he said because everyone will be interlinked with a regional computer, which will direct them as one would direct a robot. They won’t need media to keep people happy because people will be quite dumb and happy as their program tells them to be. They won’t need the sports. They won’t even need politicians eventually. I wonder if they've thought what they’re going to do or what their function would be in such a future, because POLITICIANS OUTSIDE OF THEIR JOB ARE THE MOST USELESS CREATURES YOU’LL EVER MEET.

The men don’t know anything about fixing anything or how anything works. All they do is sit and scheme and their job is to get other people to work for them. That’s what politicians do. THEY’RE PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITIES. They have no function in any other system than this one.

As I say, Arthur Koestler wrote about it in "The Ghost in the Machine" and that book is definitely, definitely worth a read and in the last chapter he goes through the whole agenda and he thinks it’s just wonderful that they’ll have peace on the planet.

There’ll be this strange utopia for THE ELITE, WHO WILL NOT by the way TAKE A CHIP or HAVE THEIR MIND ALTERED IN ANY WAY because they have to GUIDE THE PLANET.  As he said, and as Charles Galton Darwin said, and as a scientist at the Loyola University meeting said, he said that only the elite will need their faculties because they will be guiding the ship. In other words, their ability for self-survival, self-preservation will be functioning; whereas the masses will not because the masses will have all their problems taken care of for them by the state.

This Borg mentality that they showed us in the Star Trek movies, the original "Bee," that’s what Borg stands for, by the way, we’re the ‘worker bee,’ and they lived in square space ships because they were the ashlar – the Masonic ashlar, they were squared. They were not natural. They were part cyborg and everyone was connected to a central computer, just like they talked about at the meeting at Loyola University and they have the technology to do this.

At that meeting they said the only problem they have at the moment is convincing the public to accept it. That’s the only problem. They have everything ready to go. It’s been tried and tested over many years on unsuspecting people and they want to go ahead with the beginning in 2009 and hopefully they said they’d have it completed by 2018 or 2019. Politics, by the way, wasn’t mentioned once at this meeting – this meeting which churned out 600 pages of their agenda and was totally ignored by the media, although many of the media guys were present.

They said that they will promote this from kindergarten. They’ll promote it as a positive thing in school. They’ll promote it through all novels, all magazines, all fiction writings and the movies.

Now these guys didn’t say we would like it to be promoted. No, they said it’s going to be promoted and that’s how things really work you see in this matrix that we live in.

They didn’t mention politics because they’re well aware that politics is a sideshow for the public. Many years ago they found out that the PUBLIC WOULD REBEL and OVERTHROW TOTAL CORRUPTION so they came up with this thing called DEMOCRACY, where if you think you can change the system every four years, you go ahead and vote. Then after the next four years, well, we’ll vote for someone else. That stops them from having all these problems, as they fill their pockets with our money at the top and as they make us work for less money or devalue the money or rob us from our taxes et cetera and hand it out to their corporate buddies and foreign shores.

 

If you wonder why Africa is poor, read the agendas. Read the great economist John Stewart Mill who wrote about it in the 1800’s that the BLACK MAN was to be basically ERADICATED because he would not fit in to the Western economic system. He said some will survive and his own words were because they can mimic the white man, but those who couldn’t mimic the white man were to be eradicated.  We see AIDS decimating Africa, absolutely, and we know too it was definitely small pox – the free small pox shots the UN went around and gave them all and tried to blame on the failure to change needles from one person to the next, which was a nice cover story because the AIDS virus is well documented, including the funding to create this thing which could destroy a person’s auto-immune system, and so a common cold would turn into chronic bronchitis or pneumonia and kill you. That’s how it works.

THIS IS A HORROR SHOW WE DO LIVE IN and those people who are on the air and who are genuine (and not all of them are), understand this and have to live with this knowledge everyday. They’re not off chasing UFO’s like Art Bell or worried if NASA can make it with the next space drama, as a tile comes off and all this nonsense. No, this is to suck you in and support NASA, which does nothing really except put up satellites up there which work in conjunction with HAARP and to spy on you. That’s NASA’s main job. That’s what it does you know.

Those on the shortwave who know what’s happening have to live with the knowledge everyday. They have to cope with the reality and the bleakness because we’re going through a bleak period right now. Everyone who’s aware is sensing something coming quickly – "something wicked this way comes," as they used to say. We know there is more and more restrictions especially in rural areas with what you can and cannot do and they’re passing laws all the time.

We know that gasoline’s been pushed up and Mr. Rumsfeld at least on the media up in Canada announced that gasoline might double. He said it’s going from $70 a barrel to $140 a barrel and that was a trial balloon. They do this once in a while to test out the public reaction as they do their quiet polls all over the place. As long as the media doesn’t follow it up – and they don’t, and the public is trained only to think about what the media tells them to think about, so if the media seems concerned about something, then so are the public.

Zbigniew Brzezinski documented all of this in "Between Two Ages," one of his books, in the Technetronic Era. The Technetronic Era is the era we live in and it’s an era where they used advanced secret technology. Advanced secret from the public, but really old technology, such as the HAARP program coupled with satellites and so on, to once again do their favorite little act, which is to try and control the minds of the public.

HAARP is beaming out now 24 hours of every single day. They step up the power when they really go to town and spray the skies non-stop and this has a tremendous effect on our weather. They can either cause thunderstorms or they can spray over thunderstorms and dissipate them. That’s why there’s a drought in many areas, so they can do both.

This is OLD TECHNOLOGY going back to TESLA, at least Tesla, although I doubt it, to be honest with you, because if you read about the ETRUSCANS who were the ones WHO BUILT ALL OF THE SUBTERRANEAN TUNNELS UNDER ROME PRIOR TO ROME and the Etruscans were also the people who had tremendous engineering.

They taught the Romans how to build. That’s where they got all their ideas and engineering skills for the aqueducts everywhere they went, because wherever you go the first thing you must do is steal the water you see and that’s what the Romans did.

The Etruscans used to be called in to Rome on high, high festival days, which were just like today. They’re all linked to sunrise, sunset or stars appearing – certain stars or the moon and which are still used in all high occult masonry today; and the Etruscans FAVORITE TRICK was to CALL DOWN FIRE FROM HEAVEN.

Those of you who think that something new was put into Revelations, where the great beast would call down fire from heaven, should think again because the Etruscans were doing this 2,000 BC right up into the time of Jesus, so it’s not a new trick.  It was never explained how they did it, but they certainly could do it.

They could literally conjure up fire and bring it down from heaven to earth on demand, and I would call that a definitely advanced science.

Science is the most secretive thing because it gives you power – it gives the holder power and you never share knowledge, which is power. It’s no surprise to me that many technologies are being used today which are completely unknown of by the public who read the Popular Mechanics or Popular Science and they tell you, oh, we’re just working on this and one day we hope to be able to do, yadda-yadda-ya, when in reality that’s all part of the matrix. Whatever they tell you they’re working on, the higher level of science and there’s THREE LEVELS OF SCIENCE you see.

There’s THREE LEVELS OF MEDICINE too, from professorship down is the lowest level. That’s the whole matrix, the low level you see from professorship down. Whatever they give you as being the latest is really antique and what they really have is so far advanced that it’s beyond what we’re even given as science fiction.

The CIA had little hand-held gadgets back in the 1950’s which were like mini-HAARP’s and they could literally pulse into your brain voices, commands, and so on, and it worked–these little machines worked on line of sight. Dr. Nick Begich displayed a whole bunch of these antique little mind control gizmos from the CIA on Wendy Mesley show here in Canada about four years ago. He had about three benches full of them and this technology of course could also be – and here’s the kicker, just like the Star Trek stun gun or the phaser gun – you could also set it to match the automatic beat of the heart. In other words, you could stop the heart if you wanted to; and we wondered why people had sudden fatal heart attacks years ago and just odd coincidences, and of course we could never have done that because we didn’t have the technology, did we?  That’s why they get away with it. They never tell you what they’re really using at the time.

Now Nick Begich also took this stuff over the European Union Parliament because some of the members they were having these strange weird attacks just before they got up to speak in Parliament and he displayed it and demonstrated this stuff and he said there are people here who are using it on you. This is old technology–antique technology. Well, if it was a size or TV remote converter or a packet of cigarettes back in the 1950’s, you can imagine how small it is today. If you ever get strange thoughts or strange craziness or feel terribly nauseated and you happen to be speaking out about things, well maybe it’s not so paranoid after all to wonder if maybe someone’s targeting you because you certainly could be.

Now the whole problem comes back down to what do we do about all of this. There are no groups you can join. Groups are immediately infiltrated or else they’re set up in advance by the controllers and all you can get back to is number one. When you understand that you’re simply living in a long, long succession of this plan, you’re lifetime’s a little blip in one part of it, then you stop panicking.

Your government is NOT BEING TAKEN OVER as you live. It NEVER WAS your government in the first place. It wasn’t your father’s or your grandfather’s either. It was a system that was cleverly designed up long ago to give the impressions that people are really enemies and countries were really enemies and had us all fighting each other while the elite benefited from it.

IT KEPT THE POPULATION DOWN.

They made tremendous fortunes through war and they just happened to always own all the manufacturing processes, but that of course must be a coincidence too – so stop panicking. You’re not being taken over as you live. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS and you can take comfort in the fact too that there's been a long, long lineage of people with the knowledge of what is happening, who don’t belong to this elite controlling group, who go on down through the ages with the knowledge and helping to pass it on to other people. That’s why we know so much today.

Just like you start off with an avalanche–an avalanche of course is this NEW UPCOMING WORLD ORDER OF TOTAL CONTROL, if they get their way—you also have had many small snowballs being rolled along the ground and getting larger and larger and larger as time goes on, as we go on through this tremendous journey here through time and space. You must always keep in mind that eventually a critical mass is met and the critical mass does not depend on vast armies of people. It depends on the right quality of people with the right self-knowledge of who they are in the great scheme of things and who are totally honest about themselves, which is always the beginning of enlightenment, and you also come in contact of others of your own kind.

The knowledge itself doesn’t stay with you. Each time you speak it, anywhere, they know themselves we basically broadcast–people actually broadcast you know when they have a eureka moment, something suddenly strikes them and you’ll find that people across the planet are being hit with the same thing at the same time. This is something which is at the moment outside of their control, but they do recognize it. They know about it.

Arnold Toynbee who was the Rhode Scholar and a globalist for the elite, he ran the scholarship programs I should say. Professor Arnold Toynbee made a speech about it and he said, "when a thought is put out there, it’s well understood that people pick it up all over the planet."  So when your heart is pure and your as pure as you can possibly be, you don’t want to stop things as they are and have some vague pretense past come back again, like "lets live in the Victorian Age" or something.

No, you’re honest about the whole system and you know the whole system is unnatural, then you can broadcast as I say, others pick it up and it’s like putting a series of batteries together. The voltage increases tremendously with each person who wakes up and starts to really come alive and think.

Well, that’s been a pretty brief hour and I’ve rambled on a bit here trying to get a lot in and nothing is prepared, but I hope for you it’s been of interest and I guess Jackie will be back tomorrow night to talk to you about other things. Thank you and good night.

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Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  It is Wednesday, and it is the 3rd of August, in the year 2005.  And I am glad to be back with you this evening.  And I want to thank Alan Watt for going it alone last night.  And Alan is with us, this evening.  I’ve got information that I’ve been wanting to share with you.  Folks, I haven’t been able to.  I have a new printer on the way.  And so, perhaps next week we might give Alan a bit of a break, and I’ll be sharing with you some information I’ve kind of been storing up, and I haven’t been able to do it, because I haven’t been able to get it out of my printer.  So, anyway, I got to thinking.  It’s so easy to label my tapes today, because basically it says, Alan Watt.  But the difficult thing to do is to put on that label a topic, because Alan and I have a tendency to let it flow, and let it go the way it goes.

"Fear of the will of God is one of the strangest beliefs the human mind has ever made."  I don’t know that any of us, we each have our own, if you would, limited concept of Creator.  And it certainly, for me, it is a limited concept.  But there is one thing that I am very clear, is that Creator, the energy, the force, that we are of, is benevolent, and I do know that.  And to me, the most beautiful proof if you would, of that, is the law, the universal law, of for every action there is a reaction.  What we sow we are allowed to reap.  So there isn’t punishment being meted out by some gray-haired long-bearded guy sitting up on a cloud someplace pointing his finger and saying you ticked me off.  But the fact that we are allowed to reap what we sow.  To me that is a beautiful perfect justice.  And my experience has been, when I’m able to let go, when I’m able to get out of my own way, and let it unfold without my feeling like I have to know the outcome, etc, etc.  Those are to me, awesome, like miracles happen.  And I see that as the love with which the universe or creation took place.  Alan, thanks for being here tonight.

Alan Watt: It’s a pleasure.

Jackie: I guess, you know, if people buy into the Old Testament Jehovah God, it would be very difficult not to have "fear of God".

Alan: Well, that’s just it.  Religion has always been used, orthodox religion has always been used to make the public obedient really to the system.  And of course the system exhibited terror to the public, with public hangings and executions and in Britain of course, we had disembowelment and hanging, drawing, and quartering as they called it.  And these were laid on to strike fear into the public to make them obey.  And when they knew that the system was basically complete, all around them, the only thing they could turn to was spiritual comfort, and of course, that’s why the authorized churches have always been in cahoots with the ruling government.  And that’s how it’s always operated.  So one gave you the physical terror, and the threat of physical terror, while the other one told you how to escape basically in your mind by staying on your knees, you know.  And that’s a form of control.  Gorbachev in one of his books mentions the fact that he himself is an atheist, but he says, we are creating a religion based on earth worship for the people.  Because religion has always been essential to governments.  So these guys understand the function of religion.  They understand, as well, I am sure, the techniques of creating religions, new ones, with their political purposes in mind.  And I’m sure this knowledge must be really ancient, because they know exactly what format, what sequence to use, just like mathematics, and the public behave accordingly.  So, yeah, that’s right from Gorbachev himself, and I think his book was called, Towards a New Civilization, so you can see it for yourself.  So there’s an admitted atheist helping to create a religion for the public to follow.  And this earth-based religion, of course, is hand in glove with the political agenda, where the public will have no rights on the earth’s surface.  They’ll have to do what they’re told.  They’ll be organized by officials in every capacity.  And this is the new civilization that he’s referring to in his book.  And so you can see why earth worship would be the ideal religion to push right now, for the type of society they envisage for the near future.  And so, not only will we be breaking a taboo by ignoring the government decrees, you’d also be breaking the religious taboos.  And you’ll find that the majority of the public will have no sympathy for the people who break that type of rule.

Jackie: Give me an example of what you’re saying here, breaking a taboo of the Earth worship.

Alan: Well, you can see it all around.  The United Nations has no intention of allowing people for much longer to live on the land.  They’ve done their best to put the farmers out, beginning in the 1940s.  That’s when they started to hand out grants to farmers.  That was the bait.  Then the government had a foot in the door and a say in what happened on the farm.  And it’s gone on since then.  And farmers have been losing everything, as other countries are set up to do the farming for the whole world.  In Marxism, which is only the left hand you might say of the capitalism, or the same bird, in the Communist ideology the state would be in control of all land and there would be no private property.  Of course, in the Soviet System, the bureaucrats got the big dachas in the country, and they were flown in there to spend their holidays and so on in privacy with their servants.  And Joe Blow was given a trip to the crowded Baltic holiday resorts for the people.  This is the type of future they envisage for the people on planet earth, basically.  Every area will have its function.  China is the manufacturer.  The CFR put out books in the 1930s that China would be the sole manufacturer for the world, which it’s become in the last ten, fifteen years.  And so nothing happens by chance, nothing evolves by itself, everything is planned way ahead, like a business plan.  In fact the whole world is nothing but one big business plan, and it’s run by think tanks.

Jackie: Yeah, and the governments are all corporations.

Alan: And, of course, Professor Carroll Quigley, who also was the historian for the CFR.  I don’t think people realize that he was the official historian for a few years.  He had access to the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the CFR’s records, and he gave a parallel view of history, the real force behind history, beginning around the time of the establishment of the British East India Company, and the United Kingdom as they called it, around the 1600s.  And he said that this group has been behind everything that’s happened in the world.  They’ve planned wars in advance to change civilization.  He says war is created to change society.  You can get more social change, meaning more governmental control in minute areas of life in five years of war than you can in fifty years of peace.  And of course, we’ve noticed that after every war, your society has changed more and more, till more power is in government hands.  And now we see the corporate merger, as Carroll Quigley said.  He said, the future will be a society where the new feudal overlords will be corporate business leaders in conjunction with governments.  So, he laid it all on the line.  He gave the history of the wars, what was behind it, the forces that manipulated the wars to get us to where we are, to get people to give up their sovereignty.  And he laid out the road map that he simply copied from the CFR’s records.  And this is real.  It’s all happening.

Jackie: And then he died, yes?

Alan: And then he died after disclosing some stuff on audio tapes to some of his students.  He thought it was going to be kept private, but he let too much out of the bag, you know.  The main plates were destroyed by MacMillan and Company, so that they couldn’t publish other books, but some people have managed to bypass that and copy those books.  Tragedy and Hope is the book.

Jackie: Well, it’s twenty-five years the copyright runs out.  So that would be when they would be able to do it.  When was that book done?  Do you recall?

Alan: I think it was in the 60s that he put that out, the late 60s, but MacMillan bought it over, as soon as the first publication came out, and then they destroyed the plates, because this stuff was not supposed to be allowed out to the public.  Carroll Quigley believed in that system, that’s why he was one of their men, but he also thought that the public would accept the fact that the new way was a managed way, where there was no individual rights and freedoms.

Jackie: He had to have been a real drone, I mean, to have believed in it so intensely and fervently, that he believed that the general public would accept this and say, oh, this is wonderful.  There had to be something wrong with the man.  Are you there?  Seems that we’ve lost Alan Watt, folks.  Either that or he’s talking and I can’t here him. Probably, what I should do, if Nicholas happens to be, wait a minute, I might have some music.  No, I can’t.  There we go.  Thank you, Nicholas.  I’m going to go off the air, folks.  Hello?

Caller: Yes, I’d like to ask Alan a question.

Jackie: Hold on, honey.  We have to get him back on the line.  I’m going to go off air for a minute.

Folks, we’re back on the air.  And I want to thank Nicholas.  Nicholas, thank you so much for being there and stepping in, and holding this place open while we got Alan back on the line.  Alan, are you with me?

Alan: I think so.

Jackie: Oh, good.  So, you, we just got disconnected, period.

Alan: I know, and every time I called, it kept saying all lines are busy, try again.

Jackie: All circuits are busy?

Alan: Yeah.

Jackie: Well, then, I guess we must be on a topic that isn’t their favorite subject.

Alan: It’s very probably so, yeah.  It spoils the illusion that the media keeps giving us.  And we don’t talk about sports, you know.

Jackie: No, we don’t talk about sports, do we?  So, I’d like, I don’t remember exactly.  We were talking about Carroll Quigley and that, oh, you had said that you know, after he had evidently done a speech leaked to some of his students, and it was on a....

Alan: It was a private talk in a restaurant.  And one of his students recorded him, you know.  And in it, he actually cautioned them.  He talked about Freemasonry.  And he talked about the dollar bill, the pyramid and so on.  He says, this is very old, he says, 6,000 years old, this symbol.  And then he said, but don’t talk to anybody about this, it will spoil, it will cut short your career.  That’s what he told them on the tape.  And I have the tape.

Jackie: Alan, is there a way that you could get a copy made of that tape so we could play it for our listeners?

Alan: Sure, yeah.

Jackie: Oh, my Gosh, that would be wonderful.  Alright.

Alan: And he was the official historian and he really spilled the beans by using their records.  He had the records there at Pratt House, I think they call it in New York.  And that’s where the records were kept.  And interestingly enough, the man who introduced him to the record-keeping department for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the CFR, now this is the same organization, was a guy called Zimmerman.  And Zimmerman was the guy who belonged to the British Communist Party, who was Winston Churchill’s main advisor during World War II. It’s the weirdest setup, and of course, most books will tell you that Winston Churchill hated Communism with a passion.  And yet, someone told him to take Zimmerman on as his main advisor.  So, Zimmerman was in the record-keeping department for the Royal Institute and CFR, and he gave the job over eventually to Carroll Quigley.  So, it’s from the horse’s mouth.

Jackie: Carroll Quigley was from England?

Alan: Oh, no.  He was American.  And he taught at Georgetown University.  He was the guy who put Bill Clinton’s name forward for the Rhodes Scholarship.  Of course, the Rhodes Foundation is to create international leaders from all countries to go back home and push the same agenda for world government.  That’s why it was set up by Rhodes and Rothschild.  That’s all documented stuff.  In fact, even Quigley goes into that in some detail.

Jackie: In his book or on his tape?

Alan: In the book.  Because Cecil Rhodes, he was basically taught in Oxford University.  And he had a mentor as well at the University who was pushing for World Government.  And then, of course, he and Rothschild and a few other ones got together with that other big diamond company, De Beers, part of the Boer family, B-O-E-R, also were members of that round table they set up.  And their goal was to take over the wealth and the riches of the world.  That was their strategy, and Cecil was sent off to South Africa where he fomented wars, supposedly by attacking South Africa, having South Africa retaliate.  And then Cecil says, well, British subjects are being attacked outside of South Africa.  And then Britain sent in the troops.  So that started the Boer War.  That was all planned way in advance.  And they’ve done this all over the planet.

Jackie: Alan, we have a caller on the line, and if we can go back to this, the Boer War.  Let’s see what his question is.  Go ahead, caller.

Caller: Yes, last night I was listening to Alan, and he was talking about the Etruscans and their ability to call down fire upon their enemies.  And I would like to know, how in the world did an advanced civilization like that ever become defeated by the Romans if they had such an ability to do such a thing?

Jackie: Alan, Alan Watt, did you hear that question?

Alan: How were they conquered by the Romans?

Jackie: He said, yeah, if they had the ability to call down fire on their enemies, how could they have been conquered by the Romans.

Alan: Because the ones who had the knowledge...

Jackie: Whoa, wait, whoa.  He’s going to get off the line so he can hear.

Caller: I want to hear the answer, but I have to get off the phone, okay?

Jackie: Right.  Bye, Alan.  Bye.  Our caller’s name is Alan.  He wanted to get off the line so he could hear your answer.

Alan: Well, it’s no different from today.  A small elite keep the power and the knowledge and they can call themselves anything, depending on which country they live in.  And when they move out of that country, and perhaps become part of the Roman nobility, they don’t care what happens to the rest of the ordinary Etruscans, if you understand what I’m saying.

Jackie: In other words, the leaders of the Etruscans were the same leaders of the Romans.

Alan: That’s correct.  In fact, the Etruscans gave their name to the present day area of Tuscany, and many of their tombs have been unearthed, and these are amazing tombs, similar to the Egyptian style in many ways.  And they had vast amounts of wealth.  These were the elite families, not the ordinary Etruscans.  And really, Rome itself, we know that the elite that ran the Grecian lands moved into Rome, and they became the Roman nobility.  And right towards the end of Rome, the nobility, the higher nobility of Rome still spoke Greek amongst themselves.  So, you get confused with nationalities, and this is the con game that’s played on all of us.  These people who understand tribal psychology use it all the time.  That’s why they give us tribal emblems and we react automatically when the flags go up and the trumpets sound the right tunes and so on.  So, but you must remember that the elite in all ages have been internationalists, and wherever they happen to live at that period of time.

Jackie: Well, guess what.  It sounds to me like Alan and I have just been disconnected again, folks.  And I guess we’re going to try it again.  Nicholas, if you would play some music, I’ll disconnect and see if Alan can get back with us.  Don’t know what’s going on.  We’ll be back folks.  Thanks, Nicholas.

Have I got you Alan?

Alan: I think so.

Jackie: Okay, folks.  Nicholas, thank you again.  This is crazy.  Alan did get back with me, and then I tried to dial into the station and I got a circuit busy message.  But then, when I tried again we were able to get back with you.  This, I don’t know what’s so special about tonight, Alan.

Alan: Well, I think we’re just getting the heat turned up, that’s all.

Jackie: Getting the heat turned up because we’ve covered some very sensitive topics on this broadcast.  Okay, well, you were, okay, what I was hearing you say, and I was thinking about this and putting it into my memory banks for future, is that all down through the ages, the leaders of nations have been the elite, and they are never of the bloodline of the people of the countries that they’re ruling.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: Or tribes or whatever, even before countries were countries.

Alan: In fact, they established countries.

Jackie: Yes, they established the borders.  The bounds.

Alan: And of course, they take many covers.  If they’re born there the public will think they are one of us and they’ve given the appropriate name of the country you live in.  They’ll adopt all kinds of religions, the main religion of the country.  It’s irrelevant to them.  And they are the dominant minority.

Jackie: And then change the religion, though.

Alan: They change as they go along, and it’s just like changing uniforms or coats to them.

Jackie: Yes, now we’re at our break time.

And Alan Watt is with us, of course.  And we’ve been disconnected a couple of times tonight.  Before we go further, Alan, why don’t you give them your address, let them know how they can get your books, and then I have a question I want to ask you about this religion thing.

Alan: Okay.  I have three books, dealing with the history of where we have been and where we are, where we’re going.

Jackie: Where they would like us to go.

Alan: Well, they’re actually doing it.  They’re getting us from this field to the next field you might say.  [Ordering information on transcript.]  I go into it in detail.  I show you the Masonic links to it.  I show you the early, what would be called Masonic links, far earlier than the guilds were created in the Middle Ages, which is the usual cover they give this whole movement.  And I go back into ancient times to show you that they had the similar movements on the go when Rome and Greece was at the height of their power.  And I show you how the money was introduced into countries, first in the way of gold, which they measured and weighed, and silver.  Silver was more plentiful, actually.  And around 800BC, they actually started minting the first coins, which kind of throws out the story of the Old Testament, where I think it was Abraham paid for so many shekels for a tomb for his wife.  It couldn’t have happened, unless it happened around 800BC, because that’s when the first minted coins came out.  Before that, they simply cut strips from a bracelet you wound around your arm like a wire, and they weighed it on the spot.  And the international money traders who were also the international merchants would go from country to country and first get the public used to accepting their wares through trade for other goods, and then they started to introduce their money in and say, well, we won’t accept anything except money.  And once those countries accepted their money, they naturally took over the system, which they had just installed.

Jackie: I’m back, Alan.  And I have been for a while.  I didn’t want to interrupt. You know, we had Roger, Monday, on with us.  I should call Roger.  Haven’t talked with him in ages, but he explained to us the situation here in the US, in America, very early on, where they forced the rural people into coinage, by taxing them and they didn’t have anything to pay the taxes with, because it had to be paid with their particular coinage.

Alan: That’s right.  I’ve actually spoken to people whose fathers had to get jobs, regular jobs, rather than barter and trade or do work for goods.  And they had to go out and get regular jobs just to earn the money to pay the taxes.  So they were covering their bases by forcing everybody into their system.

Jackie: Now, what about that section, I wonder, of the Constitution, that says no state can accept anything other than gold or silver coins as legal tender in payment of debt.

Alan: No.  In fact, I’ve got a book by Webster, which was written in the 1800s, and I believe in there he even goes through a lot of the various agreements that had been arrived at by the states towards the federal government.  And part of the exchange for joining the federation of the US was for each state to give up so much of its land in payment of that fee.  And that’s in Webster’s own speeches.

Jackie: But what does that have to do with the fact that it’s still in the Constitution that no state can accept?

Alan: Well, it just shows you that politicians are liars, and it doesn’t matter what they write down, they do something different.

Jackie: Yeah.  Right, exactly.

Alan: You see, that’s as simple as that.

Jackie: Because if anybody tried to enforce that, well, that’s a whole other subject.

Alan: And who’s going to try that, you know.

Jackie: Well, what’s his name, Tupper Saussy.  Remember we talked about that.  And I do understand now, because, see, that was when I got ticked off at you one of the times I got ticked off at you.  Because I had read his book, Miracle on Main Street, and that’s exactly what he was promoting in the book.  And evidently there were some people in certain towns and maybe one particularly, but they were literally handing in the IOUs, and saying as soon as there’s legal tender, I’ll pay the taxes, I’ll pay this fine, I’ll pay this license fee, and accept this as my promissory note.  And then Tupper Saussy went to prison.  And I thought that was a great idea.  See, the one thing that you made very clear, but I didn’t get it at the time, is that gold, they control the gold, as you said.  You know.  I remember saying, well, it’s better than nothing isn’t it?  And you said, no, because you cannot get out of the system by using their system.

Alan: That’s right.  It’s a total system.  And the reason it’s total is because it’s such an ancient plan.  It’s worked on throughout every generation.  It’s intergenerational.  And they have thousands of think tanks, dealing with thousands of their problems.  And they come up with the solutions of how to get everybody under their thumb, in their system, and obeying their system.

Jackie: You know, I have a thought though, that some of these types of things, like what Tupper Saussy was promoting, maybe those have been the little holdbacks, or the things that have kept at least, I don’t know, in other words, Alan, they have been working on this plan for millennia, and it looks today like they’re very, very, very close, although you said they’ve been very close before, and it’s just never happened.

Alan: Well, they do get to a stage, every so many thousands, you see, this is thousands of years old.  And, as I say, even the rabbis admit that this part of the plan, this stage of the plan came down as they call it, about 4,600 or 4,500 BC.

Jackie: This stage that we’re in right now.

Alan: Yes.  And so it was tried before.

Jackie: But what happened?  Did they say what happened?

Alan: It’s in lots of literature, which is all Aramaic primarily; there’s some Greek literature on it. There’s a lot of literature from India, that’s got much more ancient, extensive histories.  They claim that we have gone through these major disasters as they call it, often brought about by man himself, meaning the elite, of course, who, just when they’re ready to declare themselves gods to the public, something steps in and knocks them down.  But along with that, the tradition is that you must have enough people who are totally aware of the situation, of the history of the whole agenda, and who also know that we cannot go through what we’re going through and want to bring the same system back.

Jackie: Oh, yeah.  Like "Take America Back".

Alan: Whatever comes out of this will not be the way it was.  And how can it be the way it was, when you’re already a slave?  Why would you want to go back into a slave system?

Jackie: Exactly.  Why would we want to go back?  We talked a little bit earlier today, and I know I mentioned this to you.  For our listeners, I’ll say it again.  You get, like I got an email today.  And it was this America First, Take Back America and all this.  And it was some Doctor, and I just wrote to him, and I said, actually, there’s nothing to take back, because it never was ours in the first place.  And I remember the statement that was attributed to Woodrow Wilson, when he was President.  And he said that the Constitution was based on the Hebrew Parliament.  What’s the Hebrew Parliament, Alan, if it isn’t the Sanhedrin?

Alan: Well, it must be a big secret, I guess.

Jackie: Well, maybe that’s the Sanhedrin.

Alan: Well, it’s more than even the Sanhedrin.  It’s another organization that doesn’t even mean that it’s even Hebrew.  These characters are very good at using names to cast the guilt from themselves to other people.  All the time they do this.  And of course, there’s no such thing as a Jewish Parliament, really.  The Sanhedrin was more of....

Jackie: No, they specifically said Hebrew, and this was in a book that was written in 1944 by this guy named Fink, titled America and Israel.  And he was the one that quoted, and maybe he just misquoted Wilson?

Alan: It’s very possible, because even in the supposed, which I don’t think existed, the Hebrew Society, there was no parliament as such.

Jackie: Yeah.  Well, that’s why when I read that, the Hebrew Parliament, I was thinking of the Talmudic Sanhedrin.  That’s the thought that came into my mind.  But, it is, and it isn’t easy, and yet for us to yearn for what was in the past, Alan, what we’re yearning for is the dream that we were in.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: About what we were told, this wonderful country, America, the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave, and...

Alan: And John Wayne.

Jackie: Yeah, John Wayne.  Oh, yeah.  And our "sacred founders."  When we discover that behind the scenes stuff, then we have to give it up, and just understand.  I mean, we can each in our own mind have a vision, if you would, of what this world would be like, if, let’s say it were created by our creator.  But it will unfold, somehow or the other, but there is nothing to go back to.

Alan: No.  That was what Lenin talked about quite a lot.  And he studied under the best bankers on the planet, so he knew his stuff.  And he said that there are a thousand directions that societies can go, thousands of different ways of living, but the public must not be made to realize this.  They must think that the one they’re born into is the only natural evolution there could possibly be.  And that’s the whole trick to this.  You’re born into it.  Your parents don’t know.  They’ve swallowed the world as it was presented to them.

Jackie: Grandparents don’t know.  Great-grandparents don’t know.

Alan: And you swallow the world as it’s been presented to you, and yet you’re terrified of losing that system because it’s the only one you know.  It’s the only one you know.

Jackie: Maybe that’s where that phase comes in, as I was talking about at the beginning of the broadcast.  That the true, the real, real, reality of creation is love.  It is benevolent.  And maybe there’s something to be said literally for getting out of the way, as I was talking about then, getting out of the way, and wanting only Creator’s Will be done.  Because there is only one will.  You know, ultimately, and that would be Creator’s Will, but we get in the way of that, Alan.

Alan: It is true enough, you see, people who have been raised to believe in a certain deity and a certain way of living, and rules and regulations, and laws, have never thought about how they would be if they were born into a society where that particular deity didn’t exist.  In other words, how would you behave if you hadn’t been given all that religion?  How would you be?  How would society be?  And of course, those who are terrified of any kind of change, will say, well, it would be horrific, you see.

Jackie: Right.  It would be horrific.

Alan: So those people love Socialism.  They love the idea that experts are taking care of them, or at least they think that they are, and they’re comfortable in it.  And those people are the dead.  And of course, in the mystery religion, which has always been with us, that was the real meaning when Jesus said let the dead bury their dead.  They are not alive.  When they die it’s as though they had never existed, because they change nothing in their life.

Jackie: Well, they never lived.

Alan: And so, born again, literally meant that you literally had an astounding experience, where you saw everything as it really, really was.  That’s what born again meant.  You saw it all.  You relearned how the world was, the meanings behind everything you’d taken for granted, and you saw the reasons for it being indoctrinated into you.  And that’s what born again used to mean.  Today it means a happy high that you suddenly get in religion.  And you go off every Sunday and wave your arms about, and go into a sort of trancic stupor of happiness.  And so you get your fix every Sunday.  That’s been a recent manipulation, that whole movement.  Because, as I say, at one time, born again literally meant, your eyes were totally opened, and you had to relearn everything all over again.

Jackie: In other words, the statement that’s attributed to Jesus in the New Testament, that he said, "Seek ye the truth. Ye shall know the truth and the truth will make you free."

Alan: And that’s the key to it, because if you had to seek the truth in his day, it tells you the same system was operating back then.

Jackie: Of course, of course.  And, you know, when we get into conversations like this, I wish it was Monday, or I wish we had three hours.  Because this is taking us in a place that, I think is so.  There was a question that I wanted to ask you.  And I think it is along the same lines that we’re talking.  The ancient, okay, in The Golden Bough, when you read The Golden Bough, you see, you know, I had in my own mind, in my own o-pin-ion, if you would, or vision, or picture of, oh, those pagans.  They had open sex in fields, and it was just nothing but a sexual orgy.  Well, you realize that these people were so natural, and they, I don’t believe that they worshiped the earth, but they knew that that was their life source.  But they had all these gods.  You know, brother sun, and mother moon, and father this, and mother sea and all that.  Well, my question that I have in my mind, was this given to them by some priesthood, or were they just being natural?

Alan: I think they were probably being more natural, because we view things entirely differently when we’re indoctrinated with scientific explanations for things.  So, some of the things that are perfectly natural in human nature, which creates mystery. Mystery is an essential part of human nature.  Mystery goes hand and hand with comfort and belonging.  And when you see a hilltop, it might be magical to you, because you have a tremendous, wonderful feeling there.  And so that is perfectly, perfectly natural.  It doesn’t mean that you end up worshiping the mountain.  It simply means that for you, that’s a magical place.

Jackie: Well, remember when we were talking, I don’t know how many broadcasts ago, about the hermaphrodites and about women, today, who have given up, literally, the most precious function that the female has in this world.  Number one it’s nurturing, but the procreation.  You know, it takes the male seed, but right now as we are, and they knew it then, that it was the woman who kept the clans going, who procreated.  And women were revered for that.

Alan: That’s right.  Mind you, you can do an awful lot in a good society without any lawyers you see.  It’s the lawyers and the business and the system that creates the strife, as they manipulate the system for their own ends.  But there’s no doubt that women are the main target really, because they understand male and female.  They understand both psychologies, and they target so much of the New Age Philosophy that Gorbachev was talking about, about creating and bringing to the main religion of the world.  They understand the female is more in tune with flowers, plants, and so on, through her natural nature.  And they’re manipulating that for their own ends, against the best wishes of the people.  So they know how to do that with the woman.  And with the guy at the moment, I mean....

Jackie: But what they’ve done with the woman is masculinized her, Alan.

Alan: That’s what Carl Jung said.  He said, it’s all over, he said, when the female loses her eros.  And he said that in the ’50s, when he watched American women emulate the males in their dress, in the way that they walked to try to match their strides, and then try to copy their body language, then of course they started to talk like men, as well.  And they knew darn well that man does not want to marry a competitor, you see.  And that’s what they created.  Naturally, that’s why no marriages pretty well, on the whole anyway, work anymore.  You don’t marry to get into competition with somebody.  You marry somebody for their difference.

Jackie: Well, you know, okay.  Here’s a thought.  I want to get this in before this broadcast is over, because, you know, when you read Paul, in the Old Testament, women are to be seen and not heard, and etc.  And the male is the godhead of the home and etc.  But in marriage, a true marriage, even though the male has the superior strength, the female has nurturing, and as you said, the understanding of herbs and flowers, etc.  In a true relationship, on an emotional or mental level, wouldn’t it be that there would be a partnership, so to speak?

Alan: It should be, but one of the male specialties is survival capabilities.  And to have survival capabilities, his instincts will take over, and the woman must follow.

Jackie: Yeah, well, if it comes down to survival.

Alan: But the government has overpassed the male by giving us media stars to follow, like Dr. Phil and so on.

Jackie: Then you’re saying that women don’t have that survival instinct.

Alan: Not the same.  No.

Jackie: Not the same.

Alan: Not the same.  Women will go for security and that’s why they go for....

Jackie: God, we’re out of time, oh jeez, we’re out of this hour.  Oh, Alan.  Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back with you Monday.  And I don’t know.  Maybe we would.  I don’t know, if we could pick this conversation up again, but I would like to consider it.  Alan, thank you.

Alan: It’s a pleasure.

Jackie: This was lovely, tonight.  Thank you.  Good Night, ladies and gentlemen.

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Jackie Patru: Good Evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Thank you for being with us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  It is Monday.  It is the 8th of August in the year 2005.  Hope you had a nice weekend, and I’m glad you’re back, and I’m glad to be back with you.  I’m going to begin here tonight with our spiritual message.  This is from "Writings by the Essential Alan Watts", that’s W-A-T-T-S, and this is a short one.  It’s on faith.  He says, "Faith is a state of openness, or trust.  To have faith is like when you trust yourself to the water.  You don’t grab hold of the water when you swim, because if you do, you’ll become stiff and tight, and you’ll sink.  You have to relax.  And the attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging and holding on.  In other words a person who’s a fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the Universe, becomes the person who has no faith at all.  Instead they’re holding tight.  But the attitude of faith is to let go and become open to truth, whatever it might turn out to be."  Whatever it might turn out to be, folks.  I like that.  And Alan Watt, the essential Alan Watt is with us tonight.  Not Alan Watts.  Alan, thanks for being here.

Alan Watt: It’s a pleasure, yeah.

Jackie: You know this Alan Watts?

Alan: Yeah.

Jackie: You do?

Alan: He may be a relative, actually.

Jackie: Yeah, well, I wondered.

Alan: Yeah, a branch of the family did end up in California in the late 1800s.  And they spawned quite a few Watts.  They added the S to it, because the ones who registered them were used to the English spelling.  Of course, the original one was just W-A-T-T.

Jackie: Some of his writings are, because somebody emailed me.  I think it was email, shoot, I don’t know, maybe they mailed them to me.  Anyway, I found his writings quite intriguing.  And so, I don’t know if I should say this or not, but I, well, we’re on this subject.  I remember, a long time ago, you said you had a black sheep in your family.

Alan: Yes, indeed, yeah.

Jackie: It wasn’t him?  Yeah, right?

Alan: No, no.

Jackie: You want to talk about it or no?

Alan: It doesn’t really matter.

Jackie: Okay.  You never did tell me about it either, come to think of it.  Well, Alan.  Thanks for being here tonight.

Alan: Yeah, as I say, it’s a pleasure.

Jackie: We were in such a fascinating conversation last Wednesday, when we ran out of our hour.  And I always so dread when that happens, because sometimes the conversation itself really just takes a turn that you wish you had another hour or two, and we didn’t and it’s really difficult to pick it up, isn’t it.  We were talking actually about, you know, the hermaphrodites and stuff like that.  And then we got talking about man and woman and you were talking about, you know the fact that, in fact maybe you could expand on this a little bit more.  Maybe it doesn’t need expanding upon, but the fact that women have been really targeted to help push through, if you would, the plan for world dominion, because of their emotionalism, and what?

Alan: Well, I always say that on this subject, there’s no one, there’s nothing on the planet been so thoroughly observed nature-wise than man and woman.  And the ancients knew perfectly well the differences of the male and the female natures, and they also knew how to exploit either one of them.

Jackie: Would you repeat that, Alan?

Alan: Yeah, the ancients.  When you read the ancients’ writings on the difference between male and female, they knew both natures perfectly well.  They knew all the natural tribal aspects of both.  Which all our natural survival comes from, really our survival needs and mechanisms, comes from tribalism.  But they also knew the distinct difference between the male and the female, and by knowing the differences they could exploit either one, whenever it suited them.  And every government in what we call civilization, meaning the birth of priesthoods and writing, and money, altogether, you’ll find they’ve always exploited either the male or the female for particular goals, politically.  And what they knew in ancient times was that in tribalism, most of the women lived in the middle of the village, where it was secure....

Jackie: So the men could protect them?

Alan: They didn’t have to worry about enemies or anything, or predators coming through, because the men were on the perimeter.  The men were always off hunting, too.  So, the men took the protective role on.  And that’s what’s claimed, that’s where the reason for women’s ability to communicate much more easily than the male came from.  Because they had a relaxed atmosphere and there was no tension.  They felt secure.  So, the female looks for security above all other things.  And because she needs security, when the Catholic Church came into Europe on the heels of the Normans, the Norman invasion, these strange people who came across, with this system of money, kings and queens, aristocracy, and backed up by a Church, the Catholic Church, as they were destroying the tribal system, they made it mandatory that one man and one woman would mate for life.  And so, a form of breeding program took over, where they kept the genealogies of the workers.

Jackie: It wasn’t like that back in the tribal, in the more ancient?

Alan: No.  There was no external priesthood who came in, or foreign priesthood who came in.  In fact, Tacitus, who was the historian for Nero, he recorded how the people in Britain lived, in the tribes.  And he said that if a male and female did choose to live together, it was not mandatory, but if a male and female did choose to live together, she would come in, or he would come into her place, and live for up to six months.  And if they decided mutually that it wasn’t working, he would then leave, and there was no discrimination from the rest of the tribe, or fallout of any kind.  It was perfectly accepted as a natural way, rather than go through all the nonsense of, you know.  So, that was the way that they lived.

Jackie: That was in those tribes in Britain.

Alan: And throughout Europe, too.

Jackie: Yeah, I suppose there were variations.

Alan: Yeah, as I say, most of the women, and they knew, you see, that sexuality, they called the woman the gateway to the sexual experience, because, really, the power for yes or no, is in the hands of the woman.  She can entice a man over, allow him to know that she’s interested, and just as easily, she can put him off, or just look away.  And so, the women, they weren’t what we would normally today call promiscuous, but they certainly could pick any partner at any time they wanted to.  And the children were brought up communally in the center of the tribe, by all the women.

Jackie: It takes a village.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: You know, in a sense, Alan, that stupid book, you know, that allegedly was written by Hillary Clinton, when you think about it, it really is a wonderful opportunity for children to live in a community like that.  You know, when I was married to Nick Patru, and we lived in a Chicago suburb, in Palatine, and it was a real trenchant mix of people, people who had been, a lot of them were in positions in large corporations.  In fact, one family was from England, that got actually transferred over here.  So, most of us were away from our extended family.  And it sort of became that neighborhood, there were probably ten or twelve families, and we did so many fun things together.  We lived at the end of a block that you know wasn’t completely developed, and we’d get a permit, and have a big block party in the summer, and games for the children.  And I can remember when Nicole came up, well, I thought she was missing.  It was evening, just dusk.  And we were all standing out, you know, a few of us standing out talking, and suddenly I looked around.  Nicole was a little girl, and I didn’t see her.  And I ran in the house, and she wasn’t in the house.  And she was playing with the little girl next door, the McIntyres, the people from England, and I ran over there, and they weren’t there.  And I, of course, really got panicked, but I’m going to tell you, that within a matter of five minutes I was getting calls from people three blocks away, saying, okay, we’re out, we’re looking.  And it was just, it was like ants out there.  It turned out kind of humorous, because when I went into our house, evidently they had been over to the McIntyres, and then they walked from there over back to our house, and I missed them both ways.  And, we found them sitting watching television in the family room. But it was so cool that everybody came forth like that.  And when children were some place playing, wherever they were playing, the parents there were keeping their eyes on the children.  And I loved it.  It really was that kind of a feeling, where people cared about others, and about all the children, not just their own.  Something that I thought about.  You said something last week that sparked a thought in my mind, when you mentioned that the men are more survival.  They have a stronger survival instinct, did you say?

Alan: No.

Jackie: Okay, what did you say?

Alan: In a natural setting, the man’s survival instincts were supreme, because he could sense the coming danger.  He knew how to handle various outside threats, and suchlike.  And of course, when the priesthoods came in with the system they brought with them, backed by military force, and destroyed the tribal system, what they did then, was elevate the king, the queen, the nobility, the priests as well, over the head of the husband, because the women crave security.  And they would promise them peace and security, and all this kind of thing.  And so, the husband, even though it was mandatory that he marry this woman, he was second rate in a sense.  He didn’t have the authority that he used to have.  And we see this in modern times more so, because the television, which is a programmer, that’s why they’re called programs, it programs the public on what to think and the topics, on what they should dwell upon and so on.  It gives you your opinion, really.  They go over the heads of all the husbands and have since the days of Donahue, especially, where they put on all these programs, one hour specials, psychological roller coasters, really, which brought you from a starting point to a finishing conclusion on every topic they introduced, done expertly, with psychologists helping the show.  And women were being downloaded with all this information.  The husbands had no idea.  And this was all to help with the so-called sexual revolution.  And women eventually, once again, they’ve replaced their husband from the position he once held, and they’ve replaced him with guys like Dr. Phil.  So when Dr. Phil says something, it must be true.  And if old Harry, sitting over there, says something, well, who is he.  He’s not on television.  That’s how simply this technique works.  So, the people who manipulate the sides understand this.  Now, when it comes to personal, individual, survival, the woman will outstrip the male.  And all studies have shown this.  That whereas men, if they ever leave a wife, will do it spontaneously, or through an argument or something, whereas the woman will, the guy is the last to know when the woman leaves.  And she’ll have planned it probably at least months ago, every step.  And so, women will always survive in order to simply be happy or to choose the way they want to live, or what they want to do, but it’s methodical, and it’s for themselves personally.  Not necessarily even for children.  It’s for their own personal.

Jackie: How do you know that?  How do you know that, what you’re saying?

Alan: Because it’s in all the modern psychological studies, and sociological studies.

Jackie: Well, wasn’t what’s his name, oh God, that pervert, Kinsey, wasn’t he put up there as a great...

Alan: Leader, yeah.

Jackie: Okay, well.  I guess, okay.  Maybe I’m relating what you’re saying to myself personally.  But, if a woman has children, I mean, for the most part, her first thought is going to be how am I going to be able to take care of myself and the children.  I don’t think that women in general make these plans or these moves with only their selves in mind.

Alan: Well, you’ll find if you read the modern sociological studies, and it’s all for social workers, and it comes from social workers.

Jackie: But how do we know those statistics are real, Alan?

Alan: You can check them.  In fact, you can phone up personal social workers you know and they will tell you that’s exactly what they experience, over and over.

Jackie: The women care more about themselves than they do their children?

Alan: When it comes to the crunch, for their own, what they’ve decided is happiness, they will plan their own exit, as I say, long in advance.  It’s not spontaneous.  And I’m not talking about abuse situations or anything like that, where it is, it might be spontaneous.  I’m talking about personal survival for their own personal happiness, or a change of mind over something, career-wise or whatever.  That is the general trend that’s verified over and over.  So, that is what happens.

Jackie: You know what I’ve noticed.  And this is going back quite a ways, through my past, with friends and I’m talking about even after high school, when my friends began getting married, and we were getting married and wanting to raise families, etc, something that I noticed is that a lot of times, a woman won’t even leave a bad situation unless she has another mate to fall back on.  I’ve seen that happen a lot.

Alan: That’s common as well.  But today, with all the massive money that’s been put into shelters for women, and their children.  And every township even has homes that are kept vacant and are on a rotating schedule as more come in.

Jackie: Yeah, but aren’t those for abused women, for the most part?

Alan: Well, they can claim any kind of abuse, mental abuse, and they don’t even have to hear another side of it.  It’s mandatory now.  But for males out there, there is nothing.  There’s nothing at all.

Jackie: Well, let me tell you what Joseph Biden said.  Boy, Alan, when he said this, this stuck with me.  It was when they were working on the crime bill.  And that would have been probably some time back in ’93 or ’94 or somewhere around there, when I was a C-SPAN junkie.  He was talking about this crime bill.  And he was telling about some of the new laws that were going to be in place.  For example, if a woman was beat by her husband, she didn’t have to report him, but if somebody else reported him, that was a crime against the state.  And the man would be picked up.  And he said, we, with this bill, we are going to empower women like they have never been empowered before.  And they certainly did it, didn’t they, Alan?

Alan: They did it.  And now, it’s customary for lawyers...

Jackie: Like you said, a woman can make an accusation.

Alan: And they’ve found this through many studies, it’s customary for lawyers now to advise all women who come to them to state that their husbands were sexually abusing their children.  That’s now common practice.

Jackie: I was just going to say that.  All a woman has to do is make an accusation, and she could do it out of nothing but spite.  Maybe find out her husband has a lover or something, and she makes an accusation, that man is going to go through hell.

Alan: Yes.  So, yeah, the people at the top use marriage, in fact, they created marriage as we know it, to serve a certain era, for their own ends, not for the people’s ends.  They had to get a certain stock, a hardy stock built up, to go through an industrial era.  And that’s when the frenzy of activity through science began, was in the 1500s.  And nothing much happened from the Norman invasion right up into the 1500s.  And when they knew they had to by the year 2000 have gone through an industrial and a technological era, then that’s when they started the marriage program, big time.  And keeping genealogies, all kept by churches, births, deaths, etc.  And the priests, generally, up until the Protestant Revolution, were the matchmakers.  They decided who married whom.  And when the priest suggested to you that your daughter should marry this guy over there, that wasn’t a suggestion.  That was basically an order.  So, they were mating up people to be hardy stock, to go through the industrial era, which they had to get through, to build up the sciences, which they had to acquire.  They knew where they were going with it all.

Jackie: I wonder if this conversation right now would sound like something out of this world to a new listener.

Alan: If he’s a new listener, he’s going to have to accept that or go further.

Jackie: Yeah, well.  Yes.  I just wanted to say this though, because it just entered my mind, that if you are a new listener, you should not reject out of hand what you’re hearing, because if you are a new listener, you’ve missed hours and hours and hours.  And if you haven’t read Alan’s books, and the confirmation that I’ve received over the years, that well, ha, actually, I don’t know of anything that I have found refuted yet, Alan.  But I do remember, you know, when we first began to do broadcasts together, I don’t know how many times I would say to our listeners, just because Alan says this doesn’t mean it’s so, because I don’t know that it is.  And so, I invited them to listen and consider, but to do their homework.  And that was when finally, you know, we talked about, and you decided it would be very helpful when you wrote that first book, to confirm for people, from ancient or old books and writings and etc.  But, I didn’t disbelieve you, but I didn’t necessarily believe you.  You understand what I’m saying.  And now, as we’re talking, this seems so natural to me, what we’re talking about, and so not matter of fact, but that I know it’s so.  I know that it is so, what the planning.  It’s been a science for a long, long time, hasn’t it, Alan?

Alan: Oh, absolutely.  And it was used in the Middle East thousands of years before the marriage system even, for control purposes, where the king or the state would rule over the public, rather than have a tribe living there independently and all working together.  So, yeah, they displaced the tribe and then they become the substitute leaders, and they have total control over everyone, but they still use tribal techniques.  That’s why they give you national symbols, which is drummed into you that that’s yours, and you will respond to those things as soon as you see them, and national anthems.  These are all tribal things, you see.

Jackie: Like a flag.

Alan: A flag and brass bands and tunes.  All that kind of thing.  And every country is given their own national anthem.  And they hear that and they cry and all this stuff.  And someone points the way to war, and they all just rush off.  This is just basic tribal conditioning, which is being used.

Jackie: And you know what I find interesting.  The, I think it’s England’s, it’s God Save the Queen, or God Save the King.  That tune is the same exact tune that we sing, America, oh Beautiful for Spacious Skies, I think that’s the one.  Okay.  And then, when I was doing a search on the internet for when we were talking about quite a while ago, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Zeus, Zeus-Pater.  Well, okay, I found a song, an old Masonic song, and it was sung to the tune of America.  And it was about Jehovah, Jove, Creator of All, Jehovah, Jove, is exactly what it said.

Alan: The same, the same By George, that’s how it ends.

Jackie: Jehovah, Jove, our Lord.

Alan: Sure, this is an amazing dual reality.  We’re given one reality, while the other ones that run this show, laugh up their sleeves when they live in the other reality.  And that’s just the way it is.  We are perfectly dumbed down, cattle, basically, for their purposes.  We serve their purpose.  And now, with the UN Charter, and the whole globalistic push, they’ve simply put it into writing, that we are, our duty is to serve the state, the world state.  That’s what they’re talking about.

Jackie: You know, I made a little note here when you were talking about marriage.  How they pushed marriage for their own.  Well, I don’t know how it is in other states, but I have, right from the law books, here, in Pennsylvania, that in marriage there are three parties.  The husband, the wife, and the state.

Alan: And the state.

Jackie: Of necessity.

Alan: That’s why you have a license.

Jackie: Alan, when I saw that, I thought, oh, my God.  And then you think about it.  The State can either yes or no, whether you can even get a marriage license, okay?  And then, it’s up to the State, the judges, the courts, to either okay or deny a divorce.  And then they get in the middle of all the, you know, little details of who gets what, and who and etc.  And it’s all decided by the State.

Alan: That’s right.  So, yeah, they run the whole show.  And we really don’t have the freedoms we thought we had.  We have freedom within their system to follow the rules within their system.  But, if you try to walk to the edge of that system, suddenly you’ll find that it’s a different world altogether.  Because people will appear from odd places, and put you right back into that system or else.  So, yeah, we are economic units who supply the energy, just like the batteries in the Matrix, for the elitists’ purposes.  That’s our function.  And under the UN Charter, we are economic units, and our duty, as I say, is to serve the World State.  Now even a citizen, the term citizen, legally means, you’re born into a system with pre-existing duties.  How can you be free if you’re born into a system where there are pre-existing duties, you see.  That’s not freedom at all.  You’re born, in other words, with a purpose, to serve them.

Jackie: You know, when you mentioned the word unit.  I had a friend from when I lived in Collinville, Illinois.  He was in a high position, a management position in an insurance company.  And I was talking to him about some of this stuff, a long time ago, when I very first started.  And he smiled at me, and he said, you know what they call the insurance agents, and I said, no, and they were something like, not economic units, but it was something unit.  That they were actually referred to as units.  He said, you’re not going to like this, but he got it, Alan.  Folks, we’re going to take a break here.

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Jackie: We’re back.  I made a couple of notes here, Alan, thoughts that I had when you were talking about these economic units.  And I wrote, you know, as you were talking, capital, The Herd, and Chattel.  That is the root of that world.  And then the chattel in those days were their cattle.  And they were actually, their value or their wealth was determined by how many head of cattle they had.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: And that was their capital.

Alan: Yes, and that’s why, when Margaret Thatcher was in, she brought back what they called the head tax.

Jackie: Head, oh, we have head tax here.

Alan: They just count the heads.  And if you go back to Plato, Plato had the order, the ruling elites with the dominant minority running the show called The Guardians.  They were the perpetual guardians of their system.  That’s what they meant by that.  Then they’d have the helpers of the Guardians.

Jackie: Say that again.

Alan: Plato, 2300 years ago, wrote The Republic.  And that was his vision of a future World State, run by the elite, for the elite, in perpetuity.  And it had always been going, actually before he was born, and he got it all from Egypt, where he studied.  He gave the system out there.  He said that there’s a guardian class.  The Guardians, again, are split up into sections.  They have the absolute top or creme-de-le-creme of the Guardian class.

Jackie: Who, okay, as an example, in today’s world.

Alan: But getting back to it, you have to understand what he said first, before you can get back to today.

Jackie: Okay, I just wanted, and then, you’ll give us an example.

Alan: Yeah, because he said that at the top, and this is a Masonic coding, by the way, the Lazy Boy, LaZy Boy, la in French, of course, the male-female hermaphrodite, that’s what they mean by that, Z Boy, and the Z is connected, as above so below.  And the Y, again, is the male, primarily male form, or mentality, the Y chromosome.  So boy, the Lazy Boy doesn’t do any work.  So at the top, the ones who run the show do no work.  And so, below them, they have what they call the Fat Man.  The Fat Man goes round all the higher lodges and picks up all the data on everyone.  That’s his job.  That’s why you had Fat Man and Little Boy for the Atomic Bombs they dropped on Japan.  It was all Masonic coding.  When they dropped them on the 33rd degree parallel.

Jackie: What was Little Boy?

Alan: Yeah, 33rd degree parallel, Hiroshima.  33 degrees.

Jackie: Yeah, but what was Little Boy?  That wasn’t Lazy Boy, was it?

Alan: It was a form of it, yeah.

Jackie: Okay, Fat Boy and Little Boy.

Alan: And Little Boy.  Fat Man and Little Boy.

Jackie: Fat Man and Little Boy.

Alan: And of course, in the Batman, you have Batman and Robin, who’s a little boy.  Because in the ancient philosophers, who helped set this system up, always had their little boy.  Anyway, the top Guardian class, and then the dominant minority, that would be the ones who were shown to the public as being in charge of affairs, the actual workers on a higher level, there you could definitely point to the guys like Kissinger, who has always been involved behind the scenes in politics, and obviously takes his orders from a higher source, not presidents.

Jackie: Yeah.  Would Rockefellers and them be?

Alan: Rockefeller too, no doubt about it.  They said in the 1700s that they would dominate the world by what they called philanthropy, philanthropic methods.  Meaning, if they could give the big money to create charitable organizations with what would appear to have good social values, then they would eventually end up making the social values and the policies, which they have done.  All policies now have their champions, and the NGOs are all funded by the big philanthropic organizations.  And the Rockefeller foundation is now in charge also of a couple of other ones.  Like the Morgan Trust was one of them they took over.  Like the Morgan Bank.  And so they have these charitable trusts, where they can choose which NGOs they will finance.

Jackie: And they are tax free.

Alan: And they also, every university, in the States, the US and in Canada, gets funding from these philanthropic organizations.  And Rockefeller funds every university in Canada.  But along with the funding comes little requests, not to talk about certain subjects, you see.

Jackie: We have a call.  Shall we take it?

Alan: Yeah.

Jackie: Hi, you’re on the air.

Caller: Hi, yes.  Hello.  I just have a question for Alan, and then I’ll hang up, so I can hear him.  I want to know the play of, the position of, I’m sure he may have heard of it, of the place called the Bank for International Settlements.  There was a woman on I think Joyce Riley and Dave von Kleist show and gave a website, I think it’s womansgroup.org.  And she said that was.

Jackie: That was Joan Veon.

Caller: Right, right.  And she said that every month, all these big banks, the banks that run the Bank of England, the Federal Reserve, they all, they have chairmen, the chairman’s appointed by directors of the board, that Greenspan is the chairman and the other bank is the Bank of England, they all have to report once they actually go there physically.  I mean, it could be done on the phone or the internet, but they go there physically, once a month, to the Bank of International Settlements.

Jackie: What is your question, Storm?

Caller: And also, if the Bank of International Settlements has a website, or something, if he could, you know, find out.

Jackie: Okay.  What is your question, Storm?

Caller: Well, what I want to know is, that bank, is that the top bank that runs these other banks. And this woman, she was talking about Sith and Lucifer and all that.  Is that really true about this Lucifer stuff?  Because, as far as I know, what Cooper....

Jackie: Okay, just state your question, honey.

Caller: Oh, okay.  Well, I want to know if he could elaborate on that, on the Bank of International Settlements, who runs it.  Because I know, you know, the Federal Reserve is run by Rockefeller, and.

Jackie: Okay, okay.  Thank you.  Okay, thanks Storm.

Caller: Okay, bye.

Jackie: Sorry about that, Alan.

Alan: Yeah.  It’s just a sidetrack, that.

Jackie: Yeah, it was a sidetrack, wasn’t it?

Alan: Yeah.  To get us off in a whole bunch stuff of stuff they can find on the Internet themselves.  The International Monetary Fund is the big boy.  The rest of it is just the compartments of the legal system.

Jackie: IMF is the big bank, the big one.  And isn’t it interesting that the Secretary of the Treasury of the US is the governor of the International Monetary Fund.

Alan: Yeah, well.  Everything is connected.

Jackie: I know, Alan.  But, you know what, you know that.  But when it can be connected for others.

Alan: Well, if they’ve been listening to Joyce and Dave, I’m sure they know it all.  And Joan Veon just happens to get into all these meetings.  Maurice Strong, who was the second in command at the UN, and in charge of the World Bank, put there by Rockefeller, knows her by first name.

Jackie: According to her?

Alan: Yeah.  Now, you can’t get near that guy with all his bodyguards, you know, unless you’re really in there.  And I understand her job is international investments.

Jackie: Yeah, it’s an international women’s group, is what it’s called.

Alan: Yeah, of investment companies.  And what they do is they go there, and they find out where the US is going to plunk more money, which country, and then they tell all their members, you’re guaranteed this is going to be a winner, because the US is financing it.  This is a con game.  It’s a con game.  So, their job is to go round and make sure you’re terrified by what’s coming.  They have no answers for you, but they make their living on it.  A very good living, by the way.  In fact, Veon couldn’t survive in the lifestyle she must live, without the World Bank and the UN.  International investments.  That’s all I have to say on that.

Jackie: Okay, thank you, Alan.

Alan: So, if we get back to Plato and the Republic.

Jackie: Okay, yes, and you were explaining, or giving us some examples of the dominant minority.  And that would include the Rothschilds also.

Alan: Yeah.  Those that are visible to the public in high social managerial positions.

Jackie: Okay.  And today, who would be the Fat Man?

Alan: The Fat Man is a collector who goes round.  They also call him the Grey Man.  And the Grey Man is the person who goes between the ones who are never seen by the public and brings the policies to the presidents, the advisors to presidents.  So the Grey Men take that position as well, on a higher level.

Jackie: They’re the advisors.

Alan: On lower levels, on high Masonic organizations, the Fat Man, as they call him, goes round and gets all the info.

Jackie: We have another call here.  Hello.

Caller: No, very quickly.  I wanted him to elaborate on Benjamin Creme and this Lord Maitreya business.  Who is the Maitreya?  Is he real?  Or is this something fake?  A representation, or what?  If he could just elaborate on that.  He was on the George Noory Show and...

Jackie: Well....

Caller: I know.  But what’s funny is, when they give themselves away.  George Noory played Van Halen’s Running with the Devil, before he put him on.  And I said, what the hell is this?

Jackie: Okay.  Thanks, Storm.

Caller: Okay.

Alan: These are just distractions we’re getting here.

Jackie: Yeah, do you want to....

Alan: Benjamin Creme’s name tells you all you have to know if you understand Freemasonry.

Jackie: Well, tell us.

Alan: Ben is son of, in Hebrew.

Jackie: Son of.

Alan: And jamin is from James, I am.  If you take the y and put the I there from the Latin to the Aramaic.  I am the son of crem.  Crem is fire.  I am the son of fire.  It’s Masonic.  That’s all you have to know.

Jackie: Son of fire.  Well, what does that connote?

Alan: It tells you that it’s another Masonic sideshow.

Jackie: Oh, okay.  The Maitreya, is that the same thing?

Alan: Everyone who has seen the light, or broken through into the real world, is called, traditionally, everyone, a Maitreya.  So, you can call yourself one, if you want.

Jackie: Oh, okay.  Thanks.  (Laughter)

Alan: Yeah.  That’s Hindu philosophy.  And anyone who has broken through is a Maitreya.

Jackie: Okay.  I’d like to go back.  This is for our listeners.  Of course, this whole conversation is for our listeners.  But when we were talking about the economic units, the herd, the cattle.

Alan: And Plato, by the way, I should say this, when we’re on that word, unit.  He said that the Guardian class, the helpers, the military group that would interbreed with male and female warriors, in the final days of this system, which we have today, and all the ones beneath that were raw material.  All the common people were raw material, and they were called not people, but its.  And Unit is the French, Un is one.  That’s what it means in French.  The UN means one.  So you have one it.  So, you are a one it, a unit.  That’s from Plato, right up to today.  Hasn’t changed.  It’s all coding.

Jackie: I wanted any of our newer listeners, in case that you have any doubts about this portion of our conversation, there is an article by Cindy Weatherly, Are Your Children Human Capital? and underneath that article is an executive order that was signed by Bill Clinton, and it basically was a commission that was to study capital, and it includes in the executive order, that they will study all kinds of capital and including human capital.  And then they were supposed to report, and part of the report was on the depreciation of capital.  Alan, how do you depreciate human capital?

Alan: If you depreciate them then you simply either breed more, so their value is less, really.  Many hands make light work, as they say in China.  Or you can go the other way, and you can start the culling of them.

Jackie: That’s what I was thinking.  The depreciation of capital.

Alan: Of course the men in the West are becoming sterile with every yearly UN report on male sperm count.  Last year, the sperm count was down 75% in the average Western male, aged 25, compared to 1950 levels.  So, he’s almost sterile.  He’s only got 25% of live sperm, as opposed to his father or grandfather.

Jackie: You know where I was with that?  When people are no longer "on the tax rolls" they’re considered useless eaters.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: And I was thinking about that as the “depreciation of human capital.”  That when you become a useless eater, you need to be sent elsewhere.  But yet on the other hand, what you’re saying is the depreciation of human capital could be the reduction of the numbers.

Alan: Absolutely.

Jackie: Oh, Alan.  I got.  I hadn’t thought about it that way.  Wow.

Alan: Yeah.  And I should tell them too, maybe, about the three books I’ve got.

Jackie: I think you should.

Alan: Because I go through Freemasonry from ancient times, long before the guilds, all the nonsense they tell you, oh, they began in the Middle Ages with the guilds.  No, they were on the go thousands of years ago, much higher orders of course.  The guys in the Blue Lodge are at the bottom of the heap.  They don’t know there’s anything above them.  I go through the history.  The monetary history as well.  The history of commerce from thousands of years ago.  The introduction of money.  How the money boys took over the ancient countries one by one, by forming standing armies, which they then sent off to invade other countries.  And, so I show you that nothing has changed.  And today, the US and Canada and Britain, are simply finishing off the task of bringing the Muslim countries, who don’t allow usury, they’re bringing them into this system called democracy, with a centralized bank, a debt system, and a bunch front people we call politicians, who were chosen by the elite above them.  [See ordering information on transcript.]  And I sent a stack out just this morning.  So, they’ll be getting them soon.  So, I’ll have to get another bunch printed up, if I can.

Jackie: Okay, good.  So, people who have ordered whatever books they’ve ordered, they’re in the mail.

Alan: They’re on their way.

Jackie: That’s great.  You, Alan, you were mentioning in your books, you know, about the democracy.  And I’ve been, oh, my goodness.  I’ve been in JINSA’s website.  That’s the Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs.  And they had a press release welcoming John Bolton as the, they call it now, the permanent, this is the way they said it, anyway, the permanent representative of the US to the United Nations.  And I recall, and the reason I recall it, is because I bolded it, when I pasted it in, that he was bringing the understanding that democracy is a higher form of government.  Now, what does that mean, Alan?

Alan: Well, it does mean, it’s more governed from on high, meaning the people who really run the show anyway.

Jackie: Democracy.

Alan: I mean, people in Britain have known for centuries that democracy is simply the facade for the public.  And they call it the establishment, are the ones who really rule the country.  And no one bucks the establishment.  And these are the ones, the old aristocracies, that have always run the country.  Politics and democracy are simply a pantomime for the public, to believe in and get involved in.  But it’s a pantomime none the less.

Jackie: Well, basically, they say that democracy is mob rule.

Alan: But it’s not.

Jackie: Yeah, exactly.  It’s elite rule, isn’t it?

Alan: It’s elite rule, and they simply use the majority.  They use the majority to bring in new forms of whatever.  They’ll say, “well, what’s your problem.  Everyone else has accepted this.”

Jackie: That’s right.

Alan: That’s the idea.

Jackie: They get the majority to go along with them.

Alan: Because they know that 87% of the public in all ages, in all countries, will always go along with any agenda they’re told to go along with.

Jackie: 87%.

Alan: And therefore, for the ones who hold out, they’ll say, “well, what’s wrong with you.  Everyone else have accepted their ID card, you know.”  That’s how it works.  That’s why they love the term, democracy.  But it’s certainly not mob rule, because the mob truly have no real say in anything.

Jackie: Well, no they don’t.  But they think they do.  That’s the whole point.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: That’s what’s so slick about this plan, Alan.  It appears that the people, it’s the people who want this, and really, the people, the majority of the people, have been so mind controlled, that they want whatever they’re told they want.  That’s it.  They say whatever they’re told to think.

Alan: Exactly.

Jackie: And they say, this is what I think.

Alan: Well, Brzezinski said in the ’70s in one of his books.  And he should know, since his speciality was mind control on a mass scale, with psychotronic warfare.  He said, shortly the public will be unable to come to a conclusion by themselves.  They’ll simply come to the conclusion they’re given by the media on the previous night’s news.  And that will be their topics of conversation at work the next day.  So, they understand all of this, you know.  And strangely enough, even Madame Blavatsky knew this was coming.  Because she announced a way of manipulating the minds of everyone was available in the 1800s.  And she was afraid this would be used for all the wrong purposes by a few of the elite.

Jackie: Well, what do you mean she was afraid that it would be misused?

Alan: Well, Blavatsky herself was a stooge.  You see, all people who come out as a front are often, not that she was well meaning, but many of them are well meaning stooges, who have been told part of the plan, but not the whole thing.  And they’ve been told there would be a utopia, etc.  But she did know that there was talk in her day of using this technology on the minds of the public.  Alexander Graham Bell’s father was using forms of mind impulse, or vibrational impulse to get into the heads of the deaf people by bursting, very controlled bursts of sound waves, which would hit the skulls of people, and they could maybe hear the messages.  You’d hear it inside your head.  That technology from the 1800s is way, way so advanced now today.

Jackie: Oh, my God.

Alan: And the CIA admit they were using this stuff, back as early as the 1950s.

Jackie: Okay, I want to get back to Blavatsky.  Are you saying that she saw this, she saw the potential and thought it could be good?

Alan: She saw it, but she also had, I guess, a little bit of warning that maybe the plan that she’d been told about wasn’t the whole plan, and that there was more to all of this.  She had to have, because the doors were opened up for her wherever she went, but she didn’t know the whole plan, I’m sure.  She was more of an actress than anything else, you know, who was playing a role.

Jackie: We’ll take a call.  You’re on the air.

Caller: Yeah, I was going to say, if anybody is interested, you can get H.P. Blavatsky’s book from Kessingers.net.  And also, there’s another author too.  Have you ever head of, well, I’m sure you’ve heard of him, Manley P. Hall, The Theosophical Research Society.  But Lucifer Magazine, it’s surprising.  I didn’t think that Kessinger still published those old magazines.

Jackie: Oh, My God.  You know, I’ve always wanted to see those.

Caller: Oh, they do.  That’s what I don’t understand, it’s so crazy about this.  If Alan is listening to me, he may answer.  I don’t understand.  Why do they have all the stuff so open?

Jackie: It isn’t open.

Caller: You know what, I don’t care.

Jackie: Kessingers is not open.  Thanks, Storm.

Caller: Oh, yes it is.  Anybody can get it.  You don’t have to be a Mason or belong to secret lodges or anything to order it.

Alan:  The reason it’s given to the public is that they want a lot of public support.  A lot of people read this stuff, and it’s formulated in a way that there’s a lot of things you can agree about, what they’re saying.

Jackie: There are.  Yes, Alan.

Alan: You just simply don’t, you miss the fact though that there’s little twists in it.  And before you know it, they’ve got you where they want you.  Your mind has followed their story, into their conclusion.  And that’s how simple it works.

Jackie: And even if it isn’t their plan, that they’re talking about it, like it’s benevolent, and it could be, but it isn’t.

Alan: It’s not, no.  They will never ever give the...

Jackie: Oh, thank you, oh man.  You have just, you know what, that, that’s the razor’s edge, Alan.

Alan: It is.  And also, don’t forget....

Jackie: Wait a minute.  We’re out of time.  Well, I’m not going to say that.  We’re out of our hour.  Will you come back tomorrow night?

Alan: Sure, I will.

Jackie: I want to pick this up right here.  Okay, oh, thanks.  Folks, we’ll be back with you tomorrow night with Alan Watt, and thanks for being here.  I’m glad you are.  And God Bless you folks

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Jackie: Well, good evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  It is Wednesday.  It is the last day of our broadcast week.  It is the 10th of August, in the year 2005.  And Alan is with us, Alan Watt is with us again this evening folks.  And if you were not listening last night, there is a possibility that Alan is not going to be able to continue his work, unless there’s some help coming forth, and maybe Alan, we could mention it just briefly for our listeners who weren’t tuned in last night.  But I, folks, I think it behooves all of us, to extremely appreciate and listen, and to what has been offered, what has been presented.  Alan Watt, I said this a long, long time ago, he brought us out of the Dark Ages, and into the beginning, coming into the light, if you would, of the truth.  And I would really regret if we wouldn’t be able to have him on, or if you, those of you, many of you I know, who’ve had conversations with Alan wouldn’t be able to get a hold of him.

[Technical difficulties at radio station]

Jackie: Well, what I wanted to talk, remember last night, when I said there was a subject I’d like us to address, you to address.  What I, and I know that we touched on it. (Phone rings) Yes.

Caller: Hello, Jackie.  Yeah, this is Jim again.  You’re on.

Jackie: Thanks very much, Jim.  Bye.  Alright, we’re on the air now, for our shortwave listeners.  Folks, I’m sorry for that mix-up.  No, I’m sure WWCR is sorry, because it wasn’t us.  But Alan, what I would like you to address tonight is the Israel identity, Christian identity.  And I know that you’ve said, well, it’s all part of the thing, and all that.  But there are a lot of people I don’t think who understand what that entails, where did it come from, and all of that.  Would you be willing to kind of expand on that?

Alan: I don’t really like talking about it.  I’ll tell you why.

Jackie: Why?

Alan: We’ve done it before.

Jackie: But not to any length.

Alan: And also, it’s like going back to kindergarten.  And if people can’t understand the basics of what’s happening in their lives at this precise moment, they don’t stand much of a chance of what’s rushing down upon them.  It’s almost like trying to start right back at scratch, square one, to bring them up to date, and there’s no time.  All we need to know is that Christian identity has royal approval.  It’s chartered by the British royalty.  It’s part of the British Empire movement to convince the public that Britain, or London, put it this way.  See, we get confused with terms of nations.  These aren’t nations.  These are capital cities with elites living in them.  And so, London, really, about 200 families in London run the British Empire.  And, of course, they use every psychological means to do so.  And there’s nothing better than appealing to people’s ego, telling them they’re superior or special, and using religion to back it up.  That’s an ancient technique that’s been used for thousands and thousands of years in all empires, and all the British Israel movement is another one towards that global agenda.  And the idiots that follow it I have no time for, to be honest with you.  I think they’re petty little elitists.  Even the poor ones.  There’s nothing worse than looking at someone who’s poor, but believing they’re superior because God told them so.  And looking down their noses at other people.  It’s a snobbish thing.  It has snob appeal.  And it also, as I say, furthers the whole movement of globalism, which will not end up with a utopia for the people.  It’s going to be hell for the people, but a utopia for a small group of elitists who’ve used them all.  And it’s chartered, as I say, all of these movements that are interlinked, even, I might even say the latter one, who was just on the show, in your time space.  It’s all part of the same thing, whether they try to deny it or not.  They’re all part of the same grouping, of elitists, you know.  And that God has made them superior, and it’s their right to rule the world, us against you.  But it has royal charter approval, and that tells you all you really need to know.

Jackie: You’re saying that British Israelism has royal charter approval.

Alan: It’s registered, it’s chartered by the British royalty, like the banks are chartered in Britain by the royalty.

Jackie: And this is where the whole Israel or Christian Identity movement came from?

Alan: Yeah.  I mean, it started off with a nutcase, back in the 1800s, who was eventually locked up by the royalty as being insane, because, well, he thought, since we’re all the children of Israel, then I’ve traced my lineage back to David, so I’ve got more right to sit on that throne than you do.  So, Queen Victoria had him locked up in an insane asylum, but then her advisors thought, “you know, this is a good idea.  If we can con the people of the Commonwealth to believe that they are the real people of Israel, then they’ll go forward with our agenda for globalism, and say that it’s God’s work.”  And that’s been used ever since.  And of course, they use racism, they use everything to justify it.  And they have the white Anglo-Saxons at the top, and Germanics.  And then they have a category, a sliding category, right down to the dark-skinned people.  And you’re graded like eggs, you know.  Grade A, B, C or D.  And if you’re a D or C, then tough luck, because you’re not supposed to hang around in the near future.  So, this is the whole nonsense with this movement.  It’s a snobbish, elitist-run, political agenda, using religion for the idiots that actually follow it.  But then, followers are always pretty well idiots, and they’re always used. And it’s going to simply end up with globalism.  And at the end, they better pray to their deity for help, being so special, because I don’t think they’re going to get much, when it all comes down, unless they belong to the inner circles of the elite, which very few of them do.

Jackie: I guess I always have that hope in my heart, that there will be people that will hear and suddenly see, you know, the idiocy of it, because it is idiocy.  It’s beyond my comprehension.  And I just always think, maybe there’s somebody out there or some out there who suddenly will get it, Alan.

Alan: Well, I’ll tell you, as I say, we’re all going round in this big whirlpool right now.  And there are thousands of organizations and religions all fighting each other, all fighting petty differences, each one given to the people, each one of those religions given to the people, like tailor-made suits, and they bought them.  And they’re all fighting each other, as they go round and round and round in this whirlpool, and they can’t even see, as they fight each other, the big drain hole at the bottom that they’re all getting sucked into.  And that’s all intentional.  When you create chaos, or an age of chaos, you use every group that you have created to fight each other and keep the confusion going.  And that’s where they all are right now.  They’re going down that big sink hole, because every day there are laws added upon laws, and Joe Public is too busy with his petty little hobby or his favorite topic, which is generally himself or his religion, to see what’s really happening.  And to deprogram people who’ve chosen this is too strenuous a task, and there’s no time left.  It took centuries and centuries to build up this technique of deprogramming people, and right now, we’re at a stage where we don’t have the time to go after individuals and do it for them.  We’re running out of time, very fast.  You know, I was watching traffic today, as tourists were just going north, and I thought, you know, not one single one of these vehicles will have an occupant who’s even aware, or is even thinking that this lifestyle will end eventually.  They truly believe that this is going to go on forever.

Jackie: And they’re going to be able to afford the gas to take their trips.

Alan: Even as they’re scraping to do so now, yeah.  That’s right.

Jackie: Yeah, and you said Rumsfeld had made the statement, maybe we didn’t hear it here.  I’ve not seen it or heard it, but that, here in the States, that they’re going to be actually doubling the present cost of gas.

Alan: Yes, and that was the same speech that he said that they might use tactical nuclear weapons on Iran.

Jackie: They’re real crazies, aren’t they?

Alan: No, they’re not crazy.  They planned this a long, long, probably before I was born.

Jackie: You don’t think that’s crazy, Alan?

Alan: Yeah, it’s crazy with an intellect.  So, sure.  They know what they’re doing, because they plan it so far ahead.  And I have no doubt something will happen this October, because that’s when Mars will be the closest it’s been for thousands of years.

Jackie: Oh, the warring planet.

Alan: And of course, the Red October was the revolution for Bolshevism.  And red is their color, by the way. That’s why the British army had the red headband round the officers’ hats.  Wherever you see the color red, that’s their color.

Jackie: They had red coats too, didn’t they?

Alan: Yeah, but nowadays they still have the red band around their hats.  And so, by the way, do the Chinese officers, you’ll notice.  Because the capitalists in London created the communists.  That’s why.  That’s why you had Red Square.  Gene Roddenberry is the red berry, you know, of the Star Trek episodes.

Jackie: Roddenberry.  Rodden, Red.

Alan: Their color is red, and it’s been red for thousands of years.  The mystery religion.  That’s their color.  And they run all religions.  That’s why the symbols, all of the symbols that the British Israel Movement used were all taken from the mystery religion.  And the idiots that follow it, don’t even know that.  Even their logo, which is the Templar type cross, which means the sun, the S-U-N, is superimposed over the Saint Andrew’s cross, which is the X, and of course, that’s the illumined man.  That’s the symbol of the illumined man.  They don’t even know that.  They’re very ignorant people.  They only know what they’ve been told.  And it doesn’t occur to them to investigate it themselves.

Jackie: Oh, you know what.  Some of these people have, of course somebody probably taught them, but I read a thing the other day.  In fact, I put it in a file, because it was amazing how this individual went through the "scriptures" and of course, they never talk about some of those statements that don’t make any sense at all, that the special and chosen people are going to loan to nations and borrow from none.

Alan: Well, the main thing that the British Israel are always quoting is that the promise given to Abraham and so on was that his seed would be as, you know, the stars of the sky, and the sands and so on.  And of course, they say, “well, it can’t be the Jews, because there’s not enough of them, so therefore the British Empire was the biggest one in the world.  So, it must be us.”  That’s the con game that they go with.  That’s what they play by.

Jackie: Oh, they go through a lot more than that.

Alan: But that’s what they play at.  That’s how they keep trying to justify this pathetic movement.  And by the way, the British Israel movement is the World Federalists Association.  It’s one in the same thing.  They’re both chartered under the two names.  It’s the same organization.  They used to call themselves the world parliamentarians.  And now it’s the World Federalist Association.  And they get massive funding from all the foundations and Rockefellers and so on, to make everybody, all these gofers, work towards globalism.  And these gofers think it’s going to be a Utopia for them because they’re God’s chosen people, all these British people, extract, or Germanic and all this stuff, and they’re all slated for extinction, once their job is over.  That’s the traditional way of things.  Those that run this system are cost effective.  They don’t believe in useless eaters.  So, once the job is over, there will be no North America, as you know it, or Britain.  Britain has already changed so much so that you wouldn’t know what country it was.  You might think it was from India.

Jackie: In other words, and we were talking about that earlier, or in another conversation, that for the time being, although Canada and the US and Mexico have been merged, they’re still playing the game with passports and stuff like that at the borders.

Alan: Yes, but you see, the idea of that is to bring in the universal identity card.  They’re already advertising on radio and television that you can get a quick pass, a quick pass, a pre-screened pass through your border with this new ID card that you apply for.

Jackie: Oh, my, you’re kidding.

Alan; No.

Jackie: And it’s the same one that England is putting out now.

Alan: Same company that manufacturers them.  It’s the same card.

Jackie: And it’s the same card that will be the Real ID.

Alan: And your bank card.

Jackie: They call it here in the US; and do they have a name?  Are they using it in Canada now too?

Alan: They’re going to start issuing it with the next licenses I think, this coming year.  So, as you get your license renewed, your driving license, you’ll get the card instead.  But you’ll have to go in and get fingerprinted and eye-scanned.

Jackie: Well, I’ll tell you what.  I read the bill myself, and what they have done is they said, they laid it out, you know, what requirements are going to be, the identification requirements in order to get this ID card.  But it also says that the Secretary of Homeland Security can add any other requirements that he feels are necessary.

Alan: Yeah.  It’s wide open.

Jackie: So, it’s a Czar.  It’s a Totalitarian.  Yeah, and I wanted our listeners to think about this.  I know that I did say it earlier when we talked about this, Alan.  But it isn’t just, you know one of the things that it said in the bill, is that the States are not mandated, you know, to implement it.  However, any state that doesn’t, nobody in that state will be able to board a commercial airliner.

Alan: That’s right. The same in Canada, that was announced.

Jackie: That’s right.  Well that’s because the federal government has control over the air transportation.

Alan: The powers of the air.

Jackie: But what I want, with the first thing that came to my mind are the federal highways, because the States have been very, very busy turning their highways over to the federal government.  And I talked to a rep in Illinois about this, and he said, well, it’s because that way, they have to maintain them.  And I said, yeah, but they take all the taxes out of the states to "maintain them".  And he admitted that they use the road taxes to blackmail the states into passing particular bills.  But the point is, there are federal highways.  The main thoroughfares where people do their traveling are federal highways today.  And if you don’t, and this, they call the Real ID, Federal Identification.  And it has to meet federal specs.  And, so therefore, my thought is, if you’re on one of those federal highways when this thing has been fully implemented, and you don’t have a Real ID, you’re gone.

Alan: Yeah, or if your vehicle is not up to what they call federal standards, which are international standards.

Jackie: It will no longer be the state that makes those, well, they don’t much anyway, they’re all, but, I mean, at least at the present time, it’s, how do you call it, if a state decided, like Alabama. It’s been some time, but when the EPA mandated the MTBE to go in the gas, Alabama state legislature just passed a bill and said, no, we’re not going to do it, and they didn’t.  But see, the other states go along.  Same thing in Arizona, when they said that ozone is no longer usable.  And for our listeners who may not know this, Dupont was the company that produced ozone, and about three years before their 25-year patent ran out, that’s when they began to talk about global warming, folks.  And the hole in the ozone layer.  And that we’ve got to quit using this Freon, because Freon was doing it.  Well, it was Dupont that patented the new coolant, which, there’s reports on it, Alan, that it just tears heck out of the equipment.  And it’s nowhere near as effective.

Alan: It is effective.  It’s so much effective that it keeps breaking down.  And they’re guaranteed after-sales parts.  That’s where the big profits are.

Jackie: Yeah, exactly.  And much more expensive. But, Arizona, and I’ve got the bill, actual bill, the state of Arizona, or Arizona state passed a law and said that we find that there is no harm from ozone from all of the, there is no hole in the ozone layer, etc, etc.  And so, in Arizona, we will manufacture and we will sell and we will use ozone.  Now, I don’t know if they’ve retracted it since then, but it was a bill, and I actually saw the bill signed.  I mean, I got an actual photocopy of the original bill.  So, what I’m saying, long story short, is that there were certain states that did certain things at certain times, and they got away with it, because they could.  But, with this real ID thing, they really got slick with it, didn’t they?

Alan: Well, all must become one.

Jackie: They didn’t have to, the states aren’t mandated to use it.  They don’t have to.  We can’t mandate to the states.

Alan: Yeah, so all they do is the big companies say that it’s impossible to make a special different gasoline for you, so, if we do, it’s going to cost you twice as much, and they cave in and they go along with it.  You can’t fight, you can’t fight the corporations.  This is the system.  It’s like Carroll Quigley said.  The corporations will be the new feudal overlords, and that’s what they are, you know.  They’re dictating our public policies to the people.  And they’re doing it via governments, which they already own, and in fact, most of the politicians have worked for these corporations, and then, when they leave politics, they go back into those corporations.  So, yeah, this is the ping-pong.  They used to call it fascism at one time, but that’s gone out of vogue.  But it’s the same thing, you know.  They dictate their policies to us, yeah.

Jackie: Well, like Rumsfeld was on the board of the Searle company that manufactured Aspartame.

Alan: That’s right. That was me that first came out with that.

Jackie: Well, they tried forever to get it through, and they knew it just wasn’t passing, it wasn’t being approved, because how dangerous, and it’s a killer.

Alan: And he’s a director on the board of Searle.  And he’s the guy also, Searle is just a part of the company of Monsanto.  And they are the ones, a company which is a drug manufacturer which specializes in psychotropic drugs for psychiatric illness, is hand-in-glove with your main food producer, that should ring alarms in everybody.  It really should.  And if it doesn’t, well, I’m sorry for those people.

Jackie: Monsanto.  Searle?

Alan: Searle is part of Monsanto.

Jackie: Okay.  And folks, in case you wanted to do some research...

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Jackie: Alright, we’re back with you folks, with Alan Watt.  The volume was turned down a little bit, and I did not hear the warning, so we were talking into the commercial.  And what I was saying, in case any of you want to do some research on this, Alan had told me about the company Searle, and I read it, and saw it, regarding aspartame, and wasn’t pronouncing correctly, so I wasn’t connecting the dots.  But that company is spelled Searle.  And as Alan just told us, it is part of the Monsanto Company.  And Searle is a pharmaceutical, Alan.  Well, how did a pharmaceutical produce aspartame?

Alan: Well, aspartame is a chemical.  And they’re all offshoots of the chemical industry, the pharmaceutical industry, in fact, the whole pharmaceutical industry is an offshoot of the chemical companies.  So, sure, what they can’t use as drugs they’ll call something else and try and sell it for any other purpose, as they do with the aluminum oxide that they put in as fluoride, you know.  That was aluminum waste.  So they found a purpose for it through ALCAN, the Bronfmans in Canada, when they owned it.  And that started the ball rolling for nice strong healthy teeth, you know.  So, sure, aspartame was basically some byproduct of some experiments within Searle company.  And, as I say, this company specializes in pharmaceutical drugs which deal with psychiatric problems.  And aspartame is a very good, in fact, it’s very similar to cocaine in a sense.  It makes the people hyper.  And it can also cause seizures in a lot of people.  So, once they come off this, you’ll find that the hyperness goes away and so do the seizures.  It’s a very potent drug.

Jackie: Oh, it causes cancer tumors, brain tumors, and all kinds of things.  It’s totally destructive.

Alan: But Rumsfeld, he’s always been a main salesman for the big chemical companies.  In fact, the CBC television after 9/11 showed when the US was selling the various chemical weaponry to Iraq, back in the 70s, it was Mr. Rumsfeld they showed you shaking hands with Saddam Hussein.  He was over there to sell them all these weapons.  And when he’s not selling lethal weapons openly, he’s flogging other weaponry through your food or your drink.  This is what you have at the top of your government.  We have tyrants at the moment.

Jackie: What is your prime minister’s name?

Alan: Oh, at the moment, it’s Mr. Martin.

Jackie: I knew, I remembered the Paul.  I couldn’t remember his last name.

Alan: And his father owned the main Canadian, they still call it the steamship company, that does international cargo trading.  So they made their money off governmental projects where the taxpayers paid for cargoes of grain or food or whatever to other countries.  All the boys at the top are interlinked through the same very, very high Masonic organizations, way above, way above your 33 degrees.

Jackie: You know, Alan, I know, because we could just keep repeating and repeating and repeating, and it’s coming to the point where people hear it, and if they don’t do their own research, if they don’t believe it, and they don’t do their own research so they can see that it’s so, then it is too late.  And this is way off topic, and maybe it isn’t.  I was talking to Amber today, and she was telling me that she made character council.  This is a twelve-year-old girl, okay.  I said, well, what is character council?  Well, we teach character.  I said, are you telling me that they have twelve-year-old children teaching character?  I said, at twelve years old you’re building your character.  Don’t you think that’s a pretty big responsibility, honey?  That you’re going to be teaching other people character and what does it mean?  And then she said, well, we just get together and we plan dances and stuff.  And I said, well, like student council?  Yeah, it used to be student council, and now it’s character council.  So, I looked it up on the internet.  It’s a damn international not-for-profit organization.  International, and they named all the states that are character states.  They named the cities within the states, the counties within the states, and they named the countries that are, that are....

Alan: Promoting it.

Jackie: Promoting it, Alan.  Now, folks, let me say this.  If you have children in school, by hook or by crook, any way that you can, if you, it sounds stupid to say if you love your child, but isn’t that part of what loving is, or the main thing when a child is a child, Alan, is protecting those children?

Alan: It’s supposed to be, yeah.

Jackie: And they have to be taken out of the schools, because, you’ll lose them, unless it doesn’t matter to you.  You will lose them.  They will lose their minds, because their minds are being stolen.  And I just wanted to say this about that.

Alan: Well, see, you’re not going to stop this, because this all part of a....

Jackie: I didn’t say stopping it.  I’m talking about people who are listening to this broadcast right now, Alan.

Alan: Yeah, but what I’m trying to say, Jackie, is that people have been saying the same thing for a hundred years.  Because when Bertrand Russell brought his first book out on this very subject, he was part of the experimenters for these schools.  And he brought it out in 1905.  Of course, the media went into action.  There were still some people who had a voice in those days, and they said the same thing, that this was an attempt, it was more than an attempt, it was a plan.  And Bertrand Russell said it, he said, if we can get the children for even four hours a day, he said, away from their parents in kindergarten, he said, we can indoctrinate them with the new values for the world.  And he said the parental input will be of no effect, because we are using scientific, socialistic, indoctrination techniques.  So this was known for a hundred years.  And people have been bashing at this for a hundred years.  And then, at the same time, you know yourself that most people are so dependent on this only system that they’ve been given – there’s no alternative to it – that they either can’t afford private schooling, or they’re run off their feet trying just to pay their home and their car and all the rest of it.  So they’re trapped within the system.  And the law says you must send your child to school, one way or another.

Jackie: No, the law does not say that.

Alan: Well, teach them, regardless.  But the fact is, you know that they’ve made it almost impossible for the average person to teach themselves, teach the children themselves.  So, you’re up against a monster that goes over the future like generals over a battle plan.  And they look at all the possible conflicts, the repercussions, and they literally plug every hole.  And that’s where we are with this.

Jackie: No child left behind.

Alan: In the Communist system, in the Soviet system, the whole Soviet Bolshevik system was planned at least a hundred years before they took over, because they knew exactly how to set up the system they had in mind.  There was no debating about it.  They went into action immediately. And they had children in the Young Communist movement doing exactly the same thing, and that was going around the schools and so on, twelve year olds, ones who were specially hand-picked, and it was just political correctness.  It was the new agenda of the day.  And they were basically parroting what they’d been told.  They had little gold stars or red stars for saying the right things, and of course, that was being promoted.  You can call it whatever you want, it’s the same program.  It’s the same program, under a thousand names.  So, you’re under attack from a thousand directions right now. And your eyes cannot be everywhere at once.  And that’s what I’m saying.  That’s where we are right now, in the whirlpool.  And you can’t even keep up with what’s happening.

Jackie: I know.

Alan: So, the international system has been established, you know.  It’s actually been here for a long time.  And they simply kept the borders there and the pretense of nations, so they could keep taxing you.  That’s basically it.  And the US is simply finishing off the last vestige of a different type of system in the Middle East.  And once that’s done, well the British Israel and the Identity movements and all the other gofers will have no jobs to do.  They’ll be equal down to the peasant of China.  That’s where they’ll be.

Jackie: Oh, the peasants of China are doing well today.

Alan: Yeah, because now the new catchphrase they’re using on the media is that gee, we must compete with China.  Well, that’s a race to the bottom.  And that’s what’s being promoted right now.  And anybody with any part of gray matter left in their brains that still has a spark in it, must know that if we try and compete with labor in China, our standard of living is obviously going to plummet.  And that’s exactly what is planned.  That’s exactly what is planned.

Jackie: China, I read about a magnificent, whatever we would call it, where the elite go to vacation now.  And when I read that, it gave me chills, because you can see how China is being promoted to be, what?  I just guess the destroyer?

Alan: Well, they have to, according to the 1937 minutes of the meetings they held in Melbourne, Australia, for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the CFR, and I have their books.  They said, in 1937, China would be the sole manufacturer of all goods for the planet.  And when they said that, China was a third world nation.  That’s how far back they had this planned for China.  They even talked about the coming war with Germany, and that they must save the Soviet system by all costs.  They didn’t explain why.  Escott Reid from Toronto, who helped draw up the charter for the UN with Alger Hiss, the Communist, so this Canadian, Escott Reid, put his own memoirs out.  And I have the book from 1937, where his kin even said, we are here to discuss a global system, a World Government.  This was all discussed in 1937, in Melbourne, Australia.  And I have a list of all the politicians from America, from the US, from Canada, from all over the world who attended it, because their names are all in the back of the book.  We are simply living through a script written long, long ago.  And in that same book, in the 1937 one, they even had the immigration quotas from China, right up until the year 2000 and just after, that they would need to be the middlemen for the trade goods, for smoothing out the trade difficulties between China and North America.  They had the quotas of immigrants they would need, for the West Coast of Canada, like Vancouver.  So, that’s how detailed they make their plans.  And when you find this stuff, and you go through, and you check up what they’ve done, they tally exactly.  They know exactly where.  The world is just one big business program.  That’s all it is.  It’s a business agenda, and we are the business.  The business means buzz.  We are the bees, you know.  And of course, that’s what we’re here for.

Jackie: We are the economic units.

Alan: Yeah.  We’re living a script, a business plan, and we’re going through it.  And, as we go through the Age of Chaos, which they said they’d bring on, there’s no better way than to bring all of this, this whole brand new way of living that will emerge out of the other side.  That’s what they keep telling us.  A completely different way of living, as they bring us into the vortex, and to bring us through it, or the ones who will come through it, they have everybody fighting everybody else on petty nonsense from a previous age.  This has been done before.  And they’re doing exactly the same thing again.  The intellects way above the politicians are way beyond people that you’ve met in your daily life.  These are real intellects here.  We can’t dismiss that.  These are not politicians above the ones that we generally see.  These are the rulers.  And these people have minds almost like computers.  And they have no compassion, whatsoever.  And I mean no compassion on an individual or even a national or even a global scale.  They will do whatever it takes, as they keep telling us, the end justifies the means.  In other words, if they need part of this agenda rushed through, they’ll do whatever it takes to make it so.  And the Twin Towers was nothing to them.  These are the same characters that brought on Pearl Harbor and World War II.

Jackie: And sunk the Maine.

Alan: Yeah.  And meanwhile, everybody is fighting everybody else over religion, or the race issue, and all the other stuff that they know so well.  They’re old tunes they can keep playing over and over.  And everyone has been programmed to dance to these tunes when it plays, and they do.  And they can’t see beyond it all.  And this is the time now when you must see beyond it all, if there’s going to be any survival for anybody at all.  Because we’re going through it.

Jackie: What about people, well, look at even with yourself, Alan, as you were talking about last night.  You’re not sure you’re even going to be able to survive the winter.

Alan: That’s right.

Jackie: And there are people, so you’re not in the city.  But, of course, they’re making it nearly impossible for people to live in the country, because of the increase in gas.

Alan: And taxes.

Jackie: To get you to the store.  The property taxes are increasing.

Alan: Environmental laws.

Jackie: Well, yes.  And it goes on and on.  And then we have people who are in the cities and do not have the means to leave the cities, as much as they would desire and want to do it.  So, you know, it comes back down to making the time, to be like parents with their families, Alan.  With their families.  They have to work.  They have to work to be able to pay the bills.  But, instead, maybe, of parents sloughing the children off to a babysitter, so they can go.  Maybe the most important thing that people can do today is to be together, and really, just cherish the time, every precious moment, and give to your children, not $80 tennis shoes and trips to Six Flags and Disney World, because that isn’t really what children want anyway, Alan.

Alan: No, that’s what the system wants.

Jackie: That isn’t what they want at all.  They want their parents to look at them and see them.  They want their parents to hear them when they talk.  Not just listen, but really hear them.

Alan: Well, what they need is direction.  And children who don’t get direction from their parents will take it as they did in the Communist system, in the Young Communist movement.  They’ll take it from the leaders.  The Hitler Youth were the same, because children need direction.  And if they can’t get it from their parents, the state or the system will give it to them instead.  That’s traditional.  That’s been used for thousands of years.  Again, it’s another tune, and they know how to play it, and we know how to dance.

Jackie: Well, you mentioned Bertrand Russell.  And I’ve done this before, but I’ll do it again.  The statement that he made, he was a, maybe still is, I don’t know, but at this time a UNESCO advisor.  He said, "it may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything, if he can catch the patient young, and is provided by the state with money and equipment."

Alan: Well, the two main books, and anybody who wants them and can read it all today, apart from a glowing tube in front of their face, they can order them.  And it’s Roads to Freedom, is the one book, that gives you the global agenda with adults and children, and Education and the Good Life, is the one about the whole education program that they have used right up until the present time.  And that’s got it all in there.  All of it.

Jackie: Well, there’s one more sentence here that I want to do, for our listeners.  He said, when the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in control of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.

Alan: Yeah, once you all have a brain chip, there’s no problem.  I mean, that’s what the function of all this is.

Jackie: Roads to Freedom and Education and the Good Life.

Alan: Yeah, the whole scientific technique.  He put out another book, it was on science, basically, and he laid the whole thing down, to do with scientific techniques, including the same stuff as Aldous Huxley was on about, the brain chip and so on, and how they could use all this to control everybody.  And once that happened, the people had no individuality in them, then they’d have their utopia.  But they, the elite themselves, would not change themselves.  That’s what they said, because they must retain their survival capabilities, but the public won’t need them anymore, since the state will be making all their decisions for them.

Jackie: What do you say to a person who calls you and says, I’m not sure what to do, I’m beginning to see the light and it’s very frightening.  What do you say to them, Alan?

Alan: It depends who they are.

Jackie: Well, okay.  What would you say to me?

Alan: Again, it’s not something you sum up in a couple of minutes.  You go through the whole person.  You’ve got to get the persona and the person.  You’ve got to break down all the different parts of that person, and then give a response that’s suitable to that individual person.  You can’t give the same talk to every individual.  You must tailor-make truth to jump over the hurdles that that person has in their particular individual mind.  And everyone has a different response to things, and they have different hurdles or walls in their mind, so you must literally tailor-make it for the individual, so that they can jump those walls themselves.  And it must be done by themselves.  You can show them how, but it must be done by them.  That’s why it takes a lot of work for every single one.  But I should mention the three books before we go off the air.  They’re called Cutting Through 1, 2, & 3.  And I go through the ancient Freemasonry system, prior to the guild movements of the Middle Ages, and right up to the present day.  I give you a lot of the Masonic coding that’s used.  It’s all through your language; in fact they created your language for you.  And the third one goes through the history of this, as well as the history of the money system which they brought in thousands of years ago, and how they used it to implement their system, which they call civilization.  That’s what they mean by it.  It’s their system.  And how they control nations one by one, through takeovers, financial or through using warfare.  [See ordering information on transcript.]  But that’s what I’m saying.  You can’t just give a pat answer for a mass of people, because everyone has their own particular walls and variations of them, in their mind.  And you have to literally go through dozens of them with each one.  And you must be able to see into that person, in order to do so.  And that takes a lot of work.

Jackie: And you’ve done that with people?

Alan: Yes, and as I say, it’s a lot of work. And it can take years sometimes, on a one to one basis with many, many different people, but individually, one on one, to get them right up and out of it.

Jackie: And then what happens when they get out of it, Alan?

Alan: Then it’s a whole new journey from there on.  And again, you don’t hand that truth to everybody either.  You just don’t hand out truth.  Most people can’t handle the truth.  Some things are very, very, very precious.  And most people are so stuck in what they want themselves that they can’t handle the truth.  And that’s what they mean, they trample it underfoot, because they don’t see it for what it is.  So you don’t hand it to them until they’re ready for it.

Jackie:  Well, we’ve sure been doing enough of it.

Alan: We’ve done an awful lot.  More so, I’d say, than any other program.  And we certainly don’t do it as a business.  That’s for sure.

Jackie: That’s for sure.  And folks, we’re out of our week.